Who will come out on top in the Autumn internationals?

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By pothale, 27 Oct 2009 Pot Hale is a Roar Guru

Tagged:: Autumn International League, International Rugby, Rugby Union

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There is a tasty line-up of matches coming up in the November Autumn internationals.

08/11 England v Australia
08/11 Wales v New Zealand
14/11 Wales v Samoa
15/11 Italy v New Zealand
15/11 England v Argentina
15/11 Scotland v Fiji
15/11 France v South Africa
16/11 Ireland v Australia
22/11 Italy v South Africa
22/11 England v New Zealand
22/11 Wales v Argentina
22/11 France v Samoa
22/11 Scotland v Australia
22/11 Ireland v Fiji
29/11 Ireland v South Africa
29/11 Scotland v Argentina
29/11 France v New Zealand
29/11 Wales v Australia
29/11 USA v Fiji

11 teams from Top 12 of the International Rugby Board rankings are playing. Australia, New Zealand and Wales play four nations.

England, Ireland, Scotland France, Argentina, Fiji and South Africa play three. Samoa and Italy play two.

Assuming the standard four points for a win, two points for draw, and potential bonus points for four tries and/or loss by seven or less, what do you think the final table is going to look like?

It’s the best three out of four results for Australia, New Zealand and Wales, and it’s double the best of their two results for Italy and Samoa.

As an option, if you think that teams beating another team ranked above them should get an extra point?

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Robbo said | October 27th 2009 @ 7:29am | Report comment

08/11 England v Australia – Australia by 3
08/11 Wales v New Zealand – New Zealand by 10
14/11 Wales v Samoa – Wales by 20
15/11 Italy v New Zealand – New Zealand by 20
15/11 England v Argentina – England by 5
15/11 Scotland v Fiji – Scotland by 3
15/11 France v South Africa – South Africa by 7
16/11 Ireland v Australia – Ireland by 5
22/11 Italy v South Africa – South Africa by 20
22/11 England v New Zealand – New Zealand by 15
22/11 Wales v Argentina – Argentina by 5
22/11 France v Samoa – France by 15
22/11 Scotland v Australia – Australia by 15
22/11 Ireland v Fiji – Ireland by 15
29/11 Ireland v South Africa – South Africa by 2
29/11 Scotland v Argentina – Argentina by 8
29/11 France v New Zealand – New Zealand by 5
29/11 Wales v Australia – Wales by 5
29/11 USA v Fiji – Fiji by 15

I realise a few of these results might contradict each other – but that’s just the nature of rugby! I assumed full strength – which may of course not be the case.

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- mcxd said | October 27th 2009 @ 8:20am | Report comment
  
  not bad robbo, id pick pretty much the same or similar myself. on a side note, wallabies grand slam ? no chance. I think ireland especially may be very tough.
  
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  - Robbo said | October 28th 2009 @ 7:13am | Report comment
    
    To be honest we are just about as likely to do a “grand slam of losses” than to win one. I guess the only certainly is that we will destroy Scotland.
    
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Mr cheese said | October 27th 2009 @ 8:04am | Report comment

Both your England v Australia prediction and your France v New Zealand prediction are wrong.

Even though their players are dropping like les mouches, England will beat the Aussies. As easy as a lemon squash. Seriously, I think they will beat the convicts by 7 – 10 points. Martin Johnson is aware that, 2 years out from a world cup, he needs to post a few results on the door.

As for France v New Zealand, the All Blacks should have worked out by now that the only way of succeeding at the WC in 2011 is to lose to France between the World Cups. Otherwise, there will be another ’99 or ’07.

Regards,

Mr. Cheese

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Terence said | October 27th 2009 @ 8:22am | Report comment

ha ha ha ha Mr Cheese – are you serious

“Martin is aware that 2 years out, he needs to post results ” cos thats single handedly is going to win the match for them

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- Mr cheese said | October 27th 2009 @ 9:07am | Report comment
  
  No, it’s not going to win the match for them single-handedly.
  
  However, I am serious. I didn’t go to a private school, so I don’t know a great deal about Rugby Union. Nevertheless, I do believe that England will beat the convicts by 7 points or more.
  
  I will write on this website when I am proved right.
  
  So France by 5 over NZ
  
  England by 7 – 10 points over the prisoners
  
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pothale said | October 27th 2009 @ 8:37am | Report comment

Er ok.

Mebbe I should have supplied a table that people could alter. So taking those results, you’d have:

Team P W D L PF PA PD TB LB Total

New Zealand 4 4 0 0 50 – +50 – – 12*
South Africa 3 3 0 0 29 – +29 – – 12
Ireland 3 2 0 1 20 2 +18 – 1 9
Wales 3 2 0 2 25 15 +10 – 1 9
Australia 4 2 0 2 18 10 +8 – 1 9
Argentina 3 2 0 1 13 5 +8 – 1 9
France 3 1 0 2 15 12 +3 – 2 6
England 3 1 0 2 5 18 -13 – 2 6
Fiji 3 1 0 2 15 18 -3 – 1 5
Scotland 3 1 0 2 3 23 -20 – – 4
Samoa 2 0 0 2 0 35 -35 – – 0
Italy 2 0 0 2 0 40 -40 – – 0

The above may be all over the place cos I don’t know how to do tabs in these comment boxes. Or if you can.

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Parisien said | October 27th 2009 @ 8:42am | Report comment

I love the feeling of knowing exactly what I’ll be doing and where with my november weekends. Hopefully a feast of fine rugby, and the cheese and wine will be french, of course.

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pothale said | October 27th 2009 @ 8:50am | Report comment
```
Team	        P	W	D	L	PF	PA	PD	TB	LB	Total

New Zealand	4	4	0	0	50	0	50	0	0	12
South Africa	3	3	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Ireland	        3	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Wales	        3	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Australia	        3	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
```
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- pothale said | October 27th 2009 @ 8:57am | Report comment
  
  Bugger. Anyone know how to do tables properly in these comment boxes?
  
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  - Zac Zavos said | October 27th 2009 @ 12:49pm | Report comment
    
    I’ve fixed this – add < pre > tags at start and < / pre > tag at end.
    
    Cheers,
    Zac
    The Roar
    
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    - pothale said | October 27th 2009 @ 9:00pm | Report comment
      
      Thanks Zac. Will copy that.
      
      Cheers
      
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Rin said | October 27th 2009 @ 11:21am | Report comment

I see the SA and NZ going all the way through without losing, but if they do NZ might slip up against France and SA against Ireland, Australia will lose 1 or 2 probably against Ireland and England. Argentina will beat the Scots and possibly the Welsh depending on if they at full strength.
Possible upset games of the series…Samoa beating Wales and Fiji beating Ireland (the Irish are playing SA the next week and might not be focused on the Fiji game)

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- Chris said | October 28th 2009 @ 1:09pm | Report comment
  
  Fiji beating Ireland? Never going to happen – they could well beat the Scots though.
  
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ohtani's jacket said | October 27th 2009 @ 11:32am | Report comment

You forgot about Canada vs. Japan baby.

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pothale said | October 31st 2009 @ 7:36am | Report comment

Team P W D L PF PA PD TB LB Total

New Zealand 4 3 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 12
South Africa 3 2 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 8
Ireland 3 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 12
Wales 4 2 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 8
Australia 4 2 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 8
England 3 2 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 8
Italy 2 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0
France 3 2 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 8
Scotland 3 1 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 4
Samoa 2 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0
Fiji 3 1 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 4
Argentina 3 1 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 4

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