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		<title>By: Willem</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/10/28/super-rugbys-2020-vision/comment-page-1/#comment-235639</link>
		<dc:creator>Willem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 00:26:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mate without South Africa the Aus and NZ unions will lose major television revenues, it would be financial suicide as south africa currently contribute 60% of the super rugby revenue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mate without South Africa the Aus and NZ unions will lose major television revenues, it would be financial suicide as south africa currently contribute 60% of the super rugby revenue.</p>
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		<title>By: Bay35Pablo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bay35Pablo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 01:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The arbitration decision on Melbourne v Southern kings is expected within 2 weeks. See http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26273490-5015651,00.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The arbitration decision on Melbourne v Southern kings is expected within 2 weeks. See <a href="http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26273490-5015651,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26273490-5015651,00.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: allblackfan</title>
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		<dc:creator>allblackfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since you asked, Brett ...
club level -- the weaker clubs in Sydney (and Brisbane) club comps will merge to form a ``regional&#039;&#039; side capable of taking on the stronger sides like Sydney Uni. This is already starting to happen in Western Sydney.
Province -- NSW and Qld to be joined by non-S15 ACT side (Brumbies or something else), Melbourne, Perth and other sides from the Shield comp (Tasmania, Northern Territory, Adelaide. Note: The Australian Rugby Shield was an even more national competition than the AFL.) Draft/Origin system to be implemented to farm elite players out to weaker sides (hey, if Drew Mitchell is happy to play for Balmain!!?!) Given the rate at which some major sponsors are dropping NRL teams, there is an opportunity to secure major sponsorship dollars.
Super 15 -- in time, national spread at provincial level will feed new up-and-coming talent into established S15 sides.
National -- Wallabies to benefit from strong widespread two-tier domestic system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since you asked, Brett &#8230;<br />
club level &#8212; the weaker clubs in Sydney (and Brisbane) club comps will merge to form a &#8220;regional&#8221; side capable of taking on the stronger sides like Sydney Uni. This is already starting to happen in Western Sydney.<br />
Province &#8212; NSW and Qld to be joined by non-S15 ACT side (Brumbies or something else), Melbourne, Perth and other sides from the Shield comp (Tasmania, Northern Territory, Adelaide. Note: The Australian Rugby Shield was an even more national competition than the AFL.) Draft/Origin system to be implemented to farm elite players out to weaker sides (hey, if Drew Mitchell is happy to play for Balmain!!?!) Given the rate at which some major sponsors are dropping NRL teams, there is an opportunity to secure major sponsorship dollars.<br />
Super 15 &#8212; in time, national spread at provincial level will feed new up-and-coming talent into established S15 sides.<br />
National &#8212; Wallabies to benefit from strong widespread two-tier domestic system.</p>
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		<title>By: Klestical</title>
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		<dc:creator>Klestical</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 02:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think super rugby sucks to be honest. I don&#039;t like how teams are split up provincially, but I suppose that&#039;s the way things are likely to stay. I think even having south africa stretches it. it should be australia, new zealand and pacific islands.

As for the &quot;future&quot;  I just don&#039;t understand how adding the united states, canada, or argentina etc to create some sort of world league split into conferences can make a better product, they are in other parts of the world and therefore shouldn&#039;t be in the same competition. I can understand Japan, as it is in a timezone similar to our own.

Instead of this expansive Super Rugby, why can&#039;t we have some sort of Rugby Champions League... every 2 years the best clubs fight it out. Do it like India has, keep it in one country, as a proper tournament. There is already the Heineken Cup, but I think one step further would be fantastic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think super rugby sucks to be honest. I don&#8217;t like how teams are split up provincially, but I suppose that&#8217;s the way things are likely to stay. I think even having south africa stretches it. it should be australia, new zealand and pacific islands.</p>
<p>As for the &#8220;future&#8221;  I just don&#8217;t understand how adding the united states, canada, or argentina etc to create some sort of world league split into conferences can make a better product, they are in other parts of the world and therefore shouldn&#8217;t be in the same competition. I can understand Japan, as it is in a timezone similar to our own.</p>
<p>Instead of this expansive Super Rugby, why can&#8217;t we have some sort of Rugby Champions League&#8230; every 2 years the best clubs fight it out. Do it like India has, keep it in one country, as a proper tournament. There is already the Heineken Cup, but I think one step further would be fantastic.</p>
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		<title>By: Bay35Pablo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bay35Pablo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 00:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve, having some experience in having visited PNG and Fiji, I&#039;ll be cruel and say each country is playing the right code ....

But having said that, there are some PNG boys that would razzle dazzle in union. That Will Genia for one ... :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, having some experience in having visited PNG and Fiji, I&#8217;ll be cruel and say each country is playing the right code &#8230;.</p>
<p>But having said that, there are some PNG boys that would razzle dazzle in union. That Will Genia for one &#8230; <img src='http://cdn0.theroar.com.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Bay35Pablo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bay35Pablo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 00:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TT, agreed. Being a Balmain fan in league taught me that.

The fairweathers come and go, but the rusted ons stay and slowly build. I still remember my first S10 game v Western Provence in 1994, with 12K crowd and that was huge for then. Now we&#039;d turn our nose up at that number.

I think the problem is we had it so good through to 2003, that all the rusted ons got false hope, and thought the good times were here for ever. Now they have the slump that comes about 11.30am when the first 3 coffees are worn off and the sugar crash comes. Some of the rusted ons seem to be losing heart, when really we are still better off than we were 20 years ago in many ways, and in comparing ourselves to NRL and AFL we are kidding oursleves we are in the mix. Slow and steady wins the race. Plan for 20 years not 20 months time. Olympics, international code, etc.

I am re-signed for 2010 tahs pass. Same boys on again, all 7 of us. We&#039;ll be cheering on Berrick, giving Rocky curry for being a traitor, and getting fired up next year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TT, agreed. Being a Balmain fan in league taught me that.</p>
<p>The fairweathers come and go, but the rusted ons stay and slowly build. I still remember my first S10 game v Western Provence in 1994, with 12K crowd and that was huge for then. Now we&#8217;d turn our nose up at that number.</p>
<p>I think the problem is we had it so good through to 2003, that all the rusted ons got false hope, and thought the good times were here for ever. Now they have the slump that comes about 11.30am when the first 3 coffees are worn off and the sugar crash comes. Some of the rusted ons seem to be losing heart, when really we are still better off than we were 20 years ago in many ways, and in comparing ourselves to NRL and AFL we are kidding oursleves we are in the mix. Slow and steady wins the race. Plan for 20 years not 20 months time. Olympics, international code, etc.</p>
<p>I am re-signed for 2010 tahs pass. Same boys on again, all 7 of us. We&#8217;ll be cheering on Berrick, giving Rocky curry for being a traitor, and getting fired up next year.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:19:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Super Rugby will always be around. Here is my vision. 

Australia has 8 teams, Melbourne, Western Sydney, Gold Coast and Adelaide. Pacific Islanders manage to get 3 teams, one from Fiji, one from Samoa, one from Tonga. PNG also have a team(hey its 2020.) Argentina have 2 teams. NZ and SA have expanded there countries to 8 each. Free to air television is all on. Tri-Nations is 8 weeks. A 4 week competition involving Samoa, PNG, Fiji and Tonga and Japan. is like a 2nd tier Pacific Nations cup. There is still no more Australia A program. 

I want to see PNG get more involved, even though they aren&#039;t strong. An inclusion in a program like this could see their league players transfer to Union.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Super Rugby will always be around. Here is my vision. </p>
<p>Australia has 8 teams, Melbourne, Western Sydney, Gold Coast and Adelaide. Pacific Islanders manage to get 3 teams, one from Fiji, one from Samoa, one from Tonga. PNG also have a team(hey its 2020.) Argentina have 2 teams. NZ and SA have expanded there countries to 8 each. Free to air television is all on. Tri-Nations is 8 weeks. A 4 week competition involving Samoa, PNG, Fiji and Tonga and Japan. is like a 2nd tier Pacific Nations cup. There is still no more Australia A program. </p>
<p>I want to see PNG get more involved, even though they aren&#8217;t strong. An inclusion in a program like this could see their league players transfer to Union.</p>
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		<title>By: sheek</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/10/28/super-rugbys-2020-vision/comment-page-1/#comment-233972</link>
		<dc:creator>sheek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah Leftie,

In 2020 the national comp includes the 12 Sydney PR clubs, 10 Brisbane PR clubs, Canberra &amp; Perth. And Melbourne replacing one of the first 22.

A 24 team club national comp. Yeah, I&#039;d like to see that?!?!?!?!?

But it&#039;s only a dream.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah Leftie,</p>
<p>In 2020 the national comp includes the 12 Sydney PR clubs, 10 Brisbane PR clubs, Canberra &amp; Perth. And Melbourne replacing one of the first 22.</p>
<p>A 24 team club national comp. Yeah, I&#8217;d like to see that?!?!?!?!?</p>
<p>But it&#8217;s only a dream&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Brett McKay</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/10/28/super-rugbys-2020-vision/comment-page-1/#comment-233966</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett McKay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AB Fan, tell us how we finally sorted out our domestic needs!!!  Was there a lot of blood-letting?!?!

I&#039;m still a fan of Chig&#039;s time travel idea from Monday...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AB Fan, tell us how we finally sorted out our domestic needs!!!  Was there a lot of blood-letting?!?!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still a fan of Chig&#8217;s time travel idea from Monday&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: LeftArmSpinner</title>
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		<dc:creator>LeftArmSpinner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:06:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thats where it is headed.  What you didnt dream was that club rugby has returned to its tribal amateur roots, and is now pulling larger crowds and has local support along with its own internet based TV channel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thats where it is headed.  What you didnt dream was that club rugby has returned to its tribal amateur roots, and is now pulling larger crowds and has local support along with its own internet based TV channel.</p>
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		<title>By: True Tah</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/10/28/super-rugbys-2020-vision/comment-page-1/#comment-233942</link>
		<dc:creator>True Tah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is a case of killing the goose which lays the golden eggs.

The problem is supporters having patience, and people these days are no longer patient, they want instant success and gratification.  As a North Sydney and Waratahs supporter Ive learned that sometimes you need to be patient, in the US, some teams in NFL/MLB have waited something like 50 years to win.  Ireland won the Grand Slam this year for the first time in 50 years.

I just hope a long term view is taken, and maybe the ARU needs to elect its management with this in mind...I work in an organisation where the top brass are on short term contracts for three years and it does not encourage any long term thinking, more a case of what can this three years do for me and my resume.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a case of killing the goose which lays the golden eggs.</p>
<p>The problem is supporters having patience, and people these days are no longer patient, they want instant success and gratification.  As a North Sydney and Waratahs supporter Ive learned that sometimes you need to be patient, in the US, some teams in NFL/MLB have waited something like 50 years to win.  Ireland won the Grand Slam this year for the first time in 50 years.</p>
<p>I just hope a long term view is taken, and maybe the ARU needs to elect its management with this in mind&#8230;I work in an organisation where the top brass are on short term contracts for three years and it does not encourage any long term thinking, more a case of what can this three years do for me and my resume.</p>
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		<title>By: Bay35Pablo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bay35Pablo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was JON explaining all this in a power point presentation in the dream? I think this is what he envisions.

8 teams per conference might be more realistic.

True Tah&#039;s outline also is viable. Although it would involve SANZAR deciding to end Super rugby, which would be a huge step. They will persist with it despite there being some limitations starting to show up. Once started, hard to go back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was JON explaining all this in a power point presentation in the dream? I think this is what he envisions.</p>
<p>8 teams per conference might be more realistic.</p>
<p>True Tah&#8217;s outline also is viable. Although it would involve SANZAR deciding to end Super rugby, which would be a huge step. They will persist with it despite there being some limitations starting to show up. Once started, hard to go back.</p>
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		<title>By: True Tah</title>
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		<dc:creator>True Tah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree Allblack fan.

Top 4 from each of the Currie Cup and Air NZ Cup qualify for SH hemisphere Cup.  Top 2 from Australia and the Pacific Rugby Cup also qualify = 12 team competition.

Alternatively we could include Argentina and split the tournament into a Pacific and Atlantic conferences.  This would remove some of the costs, as you would have the winners of each conference play off against each other.  Potentially you could include Japan in the Pacific Conference.

Alternatively let South Africa focus on Currie Cup and maybe develop a relationship with Argentina, historically south africa has contributed a lot to Argentine rugby.

Australia, NZ, Pacific, Japan develop the Pacific Championship.  Top 4 from NZ, Top 3 from Australia and Japan, Top 2 from Pacific.  Four pools of three, with everyone playing each other home and away.  Winners of each pool then go to next round, again on home and away, then we have the final.  This would help get Pacific some Pay TV $$$ which they sorely need.

Would remove the costs of travelling to South Africa. 

As always Australia is the fly in the ointment, but I propose that the teams each nation puts forward do not necessarily need to be provinically based, Australia could nominate the best three club teams in Australia, say the grand finalists from the Sydney, Brisbane, Canberra comps play each other with the best three qualifying.  In both Japan and Argentina, the game is club based.  The problems with implementing a regional system in Australia are associated with the clubs, they actively tried to undermine the ARC.  Seeing their sides getting smashed by the Kiwi sides would certainly put them in their place, and maybe help them come to the realisation they need provincial/regional sides.  

Sides for regional comp = WA, Vic, ACT, Qld, NSW Country, Parramatta Rams, Sydney Waratahs, South Australia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree Allblack fan.</p>
<p>Top 4 from each of the Currie Cup and Air NZ Cup qualify for SH hemisphere Cup.  Top 2 from Australia and the Pacific Rugby Cup also qualify = 12 team competition.</p>
<p>Alternatively we could include Argentina and split the tournament into a Pacific and Atlantic conferences.  This would remove some of the costs, as you would have the winners of each conference play off against each other.  Potentially you could include Japan in the Pacific Conference.</p>
<p>Alternatively let South Africa focus on Currie Cup and maybe develop a relationship with Argentina, historically south africa has contributed a lot to Argentine rugby.</p>
<p>Australia, NZ, Pacific, Japan develop the Pacific Championship.  Top 4 from NZ, Top 3 from Australia and Japan, Top 2 from Pacific.  Four pools of three, with everyone playing each other home and away.  Winners of each pool then go to next round, again on home and away, then we have the final.  This would help get Pacific some Pay TV $$$ which they sorely need.</p>
<p>Would remove the costs of travelling to South Africa. </p>
<p>As always Australia is the fly in the ointment, but I propose that the teams each nation puts forward do not necessarily need to be provinically based, Australia could nominate the best three club teams in Australia, say the grand finalists from the Sydney, Brisbane, Canberra comps play each other with the best three qualifying.  In both Japan and Argentina, the game is club based.  The problems with implementing a regional system in Australia are associated with the clubs, they actively tried to undermine the ARC.  Seeing their sides getting smashed by the Kiwi sides would certainly put them in their place, and maybe help them come to the realisation they need provincial/regional sides.  </p>
<p>Sides for regional comp = WA, Vic, ACT, Qld, NSW Country, Parramatta Rams, Sydney Waratahs, South Australia.</p>
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		<title>By: allblackfan</title>
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		<dc:creator>allblackfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about this one?
Super rugby is no more.
SA and NZ have reinvigorated their domestic competition while Australia have finally sorted out their domestic needs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about this one?<br />
Super rugby is no more.<br />
SA and NZ have reinvigorated their domestic competition while Australia have finally sorted out their domestic needs.</p>
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		<title>By: Robbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:21:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a more realistic vision for 2020. 6 teams from Australia (Vic and W. Syd), 6 from NZ (Auckland 2nd team), 6 from SA, 2 from Argentina.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a more realistic vision for 2020. 6 teams from Australia (Vic and W. Syd), 6 from NZ (Auckland 2nd team), 6 from SA, 2 from Argentina.</p>
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		<title>By: Working Class Rugger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Working Class Rugger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not a bad vision there Barry. One thing though. I&#039;d like to think that by 2020 we could possibly have a 5 or even 6 Nations. Hopefully.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not a bad vision there Barry. One thing though. I&#8217;d like to think that by 2020 we could possibly have a 5 or even 6 Nations. Hopefully.</p>
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