Palmer attacked for capping Skilled Park crowd sizes
By Jim Morton, 29 Oct 2009
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Gold Coast United’s owner Clive Palmer and coach Miron Bleiberg’s self-promotion have been blamed for the lack of support which will see them cap Skilled Park crowds at 5,000.
A-League boss Archie Fraser, angered by the controversial lockout of fans for Saturday night’s clash with North Queensland, on Wednesday blamed United for failing to connect with their community and promote “local heroes”.
Fraser said the Coast’s grass-roots supporters had turned their back on the self-confessed glamour club, which had shown in the meagre home attendances.
“I think the way they have approached promoting the product and their club has been more about promoting the owner and the coach than promoting the heroes,” Fraser said on SEN.
“Clearly the public at this point in time is switched off even though the team plays good football.
“They play stylish football and win but there are no local heroes.”
The comments of Fraser, who also claimed fragmentation within the fledgling club had led to Sunday’s record 6-0 loss in Wellington, led to denials from Coast officials who say they must cut costs to stay afloat.
“At the end of the day we need to be a successful venture or the club won’t be here for a long time,” club chief executive Clive Mensink told AAP.
Mensink, wary about the poor history of Coast teams in national competitions, said Palmer and Bleiberg’s big-talking ways were not designed to take the attention away from their players.
“At the end of the day we don’t control what the media prints,” he said.
“As we know Clive is an attraction all to himself. The media listens to every word he has to say and they dwell on it a lot.”
No more than 5,000 spectators will be allowed into the eastern grandstand at Skilled Park on Saturday night when Robbie Fowler’s North Queensland Fury look to avenge their 5-0 round two thrashing by United.
Palmer, currently overseas, and Bleiberg have defended the move on the basis that recent crowds of 4,209 and 4,509 have contributed to significant losses on their rent agreement with Stadiums Queensland.
Under their current arrangement, the rent drops from $140,000 to $40,000 per game for crowds less than 5,000.
By capping the crowd, United aren’t required to pay a state government transport levy and will also save money on stadium staff and not having to implement a traffic plan.
Mensink denied the third-placed club were taking the unconventional approach to haggle for a better deal, insisting that the charity of billionaire Palmer only extends so far.
“I think there’s a lot of expectation that Clive can pay for everything and that’s disappointing,” he said.
“By putting this team together Clive has done a favour to the community.
“If it wasn’t for Clive there wouldn’t be a team here now and we wouldn’t have players like Jason Culina or Shane Smeltz playing for the Gold Coast.”
The Coast on Wednesday dropped ticket prices for Saturday night’s game, with top-end adult tickets being reduced from $55 to $30 and $15 for children.
Rival club Brisbane Roar, who are also suffering from the lowest crowds in their five-year history, also attacked United’s approach.
“At a time where the game should be sticking together, this is a ridiculous situation and it’s sending out mixed messages to football fans,” Roar chairman Chris Bombolas said.
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October 29th 2009 @ 8:26am
Realfootball said | October 29th 2009 @ 8:26am | Report comment
I seriously regret buying a GCU membership. I most certainly will never do so again.
Imagine the damage this circus must be doing to our World Cup bid. The GCU management are a shambles.
The lesson in this? Understanding the international commodities market doesn’t mean you know anything about marketing, sports or entertainment.
Myhope is that other members join me in a boycott of this weekend’s game to make a statement of protest. My prediction is that this game will see a new low end crowd record for the A League.
How the mighty are fallen.
October 29th 2009 @ 8:34am
Art Sapphire said | October 29th 2009 @ 8:34am | Report comment
real – I said yesterday that the FFA should step in asap and take over the license.
Would you consider renewing your memebership next year if this happened?
October 29th 2009 @ 9:50am
Realfootball said | October 29th 2009 @ 9:50am | Report comment
Absolutely, Art Sapphire. My issue is with the current management – as in the way the club is being managed, rather than personnel.
I – and I am sure many others – would welcome an FFA takeover and from that point would do all I could to support the club.
At this point I simply can’t see what the future of GCU is with Palmer in control.
October 29th 2009 @ 10:03am
AndyRoo said | October 29th 2009 @ 10:03am | Report comment
To be honest it’s not so much the decision that rankles me.
I think it’s a weak decision but if it was sold the right way (rather than abusing the fans) then it could work.
If the CEO came out appolegitic and explained this is going to save the club over 120k a game and make the club long term sustainable that would have took a lot of steam out of the situation.
Instead …well I have read an interview on 442 and saw one on Fox Sports news and they were disgusting.
October 29th 2009 @ 8:50am
Redb said | October 29th 2009 @ 8:50am | Report comment
Fans of any code should have real sympathy for this poor treatment of GCU fans. It is unbeleiveable that a sport would lock out its fans deliberately to save a few dollars. I hope for your sake they get their act together and as Art suggests the FFA take the club over.
Surely a better strategy would be to drive the crowds up, build the fan base to a sustainable level in the future. A bit of front end marketing to fans with the back end negotiating with the Goverment for a better deal.
Redb
October 29th 2009 @ 8:45am
KB said | October 29th 2009 @ 8:45am | Report comment
As a SFC supporter I will be there at Fortress Miron to cheer on the Golden Boys (my second team) right up to the end…. Football is here to stay on the Gold Coast…
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KB
October 29th 2009 @ 9:53am
Realfootball said | October 29th 2009 @ 9:53am | Report comment
KB
Much as it pains me to say this, for the long term future of the club I hope you are cheering amongst very sparse company on the weekend.
The best thing that could happen at this point is for GCU to record an A League record low attendance on the weekend, which I believe it will, and precipitate a crisis that will force FFA’s hand. I have a feeling that this situation has to get worse before it can get better.
October 29th 2009 @ 10:15am
Kazama said | October 29th 2009 @ 10:15am | Report comment
I agree Realfootball… I think for the good of the game we have to hit rock bottom here.
Was considering going to the Gold Coast for Adelaide United’s match up there…not now.
October 29th 2009 @ 9:57am
AndyRoo said | October 29th 2009 @ 9:57am | Report comment
I can understand that if it costs you $140k to let the 5001st fan in that it makes sense to do what they did. I can’t guess what their figures look like but only paying 40k to rent the stadium means the team looks more sustainable. That seems good for the long term as the else they have to ask of Palmer the better. If he is only chipping in now and then for a Marquee or to host glamour friendly then I wouldn’t be so worried about him eating too many pies at half time and then the club disappear as the Ambulance goes of in the sunset.
Hopefully they can renegotiate the deal and open up another stand as well and reduce their ticket prices.
I am not privy to any of the Stadium deals but Nth QLD Fury have the same land lord and have prices that are much more reflective of a first year team in a new market.
If he doesn’t have to write a cheque to Anna Bligh for 100k each game maybe he could write that cheque instead to a local company to produce some GCU branded merchandise the players can give out when they visit schools.
The reason this club is a total failure though is how they went about it. Palmers letter is condescending and unapologetic and Mesinek on TV was the same. He was lashing out at the fans that were showing up as well as the ones who haven’t yet.
I remember from the very early days when they were asked about their ticket prices the reply was “That’s what the titans charge and no one complains”.
Ignoring the fact that the Titans are an NRL team which in QLD is the equivalent of SONY while the HAL is Aikiwa… people do complain about the price of the Titans. It is the only thing keeping them from selling out Robina.
It seems that Mine owners and their chief executives mix in different circles than I.
Putting Mesinek in front of a camera is a mistake that should never happen again. They need someone with some affinity for the regular local. Rule number is don’t lash out at your own fans when to be honest they are brilliant. To get 4k to the most expensive team in the A league and for people to buy memberships at that price for a start up team is a fantastic commitment and should be rewarded not abused.
October 29th 2009 @ 10:44am
Realfootball said | October 29th 2009 @ 10:44am | Report comment
Well said AndyRoo.
October 29th 2009 @ 11:07am
Gibbo said | October 29th 2009 @ 11:07am | Report comment
quotes like this are a worry:
“By putting this team together Clive has done a favour to the community.”
you’d hope that’s not the perspective of upper management, ie. just put a team in and reap praise.
But i take exception to the term “Lock out”… i’m not convinced anyone who wants to go would be locked out, because i’m not convinced they’ve got more than 5000 people interested enough to turn up! they’ve obviously stuffed up promotion.
October 29th 2009 @ 1:42pm
The Link said | October 29th 2009 @ 1:42pm | Report comment
Gold Coast United = template for how not to do expansion.
GCU needs to re-build from the ground up.
Why are they not getting the families from Robina? They have the Titians model right there in front of them to replicate. Can’t see why in summer time they can’t swap the Blue jersey for a Yellow one.
October 29th 2009 @ 2:01pm
dasilva said | October 29th 2009 @ 2:01pm | Report comment
This summarise everything wrong about Gold Coast
Question -
“That’s not the fault of the fans surely?”
Mensik -
“Isn’t it? The team’s on top of the table, you had second versus third with Perth and we only got 4,000. So is that the fault of Clive Palmer? Why didn’t they come? They knew about it. The game’s on.”
Apparently there was also a joke from club official about the high ticket prices “”We charge the most because we are the best!”
My gosh the arrogance can’t go any higher.
They get into a stadium deal where you have to get 10k to break even and now blame the fans that they couldn’t get to that mark.
October 29th 2009 @ 5:41pm
Ben of Phnom Penh said | October 29th 2009 @ 5:41pm | Report comment
They are doing a good job of making Fury a likeable club, that’s for sure. I was rather concerned that Fury would struggle as a club however it appears my fears were misplaced. They should have been further South.
October 29th 2009 @ 5:54pm
Tifosi said | October 29th 2009 @ 5:54pm | Report comment
Clive Palmer has a history of poor relationships with the current QLD govt. Maybe he just couldnt bear the thought of giving them an extra 100 grand per fortnight.
Aussies also dont like loud mouths or show offs. Both of which Palmer and Bleiberg are.
Fred Talpin’s Gold Coast Galaxy bid was one which engaged the local community.
He was set to get the team until the FFA railroaded him after being blinded by the billions of Palmer and yet its the billionaire being the cheapskate.
The FFA are as much to blame for this.
Ticket pricing for Brisbane and Gold Coast have also been way off the mark. If anyone thinks that a a-league tam should be charging the same as AFL/NRL is deluded.
October 29th 2009 @ 6:04pm
Tifosi said | October 29th 2009 @ 6:04pm | Report comment
Taplin on the Galaxy bid from 2007.
http://www.goldcoast.com.au/article/2007/12/14/5980_gold-coast-feature.html
“I would prefer 2009 because that gives us more time to build a fan base and promotion, which is a very big aspect of what we are doing,” said Taplin.
“Until the FFA get the full submission I can’t comment on who the people behind the bid are,” he said. “I can say that they are very prominent Gold Coast businessmen, very prominent.
“We would be disappointed if we did not get around 10,000 there from the start,” said Taplin. “We have no doubt the Gold Coast can and will support this team.”
Or maybe he has dodged a huge bullet?
October 29th 2009 @ 7:20pm
cab711 said | October 29th 2009 @ 7:20pm | Report comment
It is such a shame all this nonsense is surrounding the new club. So much drama and controversy off the paddock is overshadowing what is being played on it. The club is great value and the recruiting has been dynamite. Again the owner of a HAL club has put his own personal interests 1st. I just hope that this season is not the last for GCU. I have enjoyed there style of play and there have been some quality games up until lately from the club.
I was quite relieved when the Western Sydney bid failed, I invisioned the same scenario occuring. I just hope Rowden is now a sloppy second option.
Will this season be known for anything other than crowd numbers?
October 29th 2009 @ 8:36pm
AndyRoo said | October 29th 2009 @ 8:36pm | Report comment
I think we are on track for a sydney vs melbourne grand final. That will be something to remember.