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		<title>By: Go_the_Wannabe's</title>
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		<dc:creator>Go_the_Wannabe's</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 04:56:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought the EZ&#039;s had a nice ring to it......oh well, can&#039;t pls everyone all the time I guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought the EZ&#8217;s had a nice ring to it&#8230;&#8230;oh well, can&#8217;t pls everyone all the time I guess.</p>
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		<title>By: Knives Out</title>
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		<dc:creator>Knives Out</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 11:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, Hore and Du Plessis are excellent at the breakdown.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, Hore and Du Plessis are excellent at the breakdown.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank O'Keeffe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank O'Keeffe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 10:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, probably not. If you had to play him somewhere it might as well be his favourite position at 12. But his lack of size is always going to be a problem.

Yeah he shouldn&#039;t be in the Wallaby side. But I have to admit I have no idea what backline Australia should have. So many unfixable problems for Deans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, probably not. If you had to play him somewhere it might as well be his favourite position at 12. But his lack of size is always going to be a problem.</p>
<p>Yeah he shouldn&#8217;t be in the Wallaby side. But I have to admit I have no idea what backline Australia should have. So many unfixable problems for Deans.</p>
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		<title>By: stuff happens</title>
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		<dc:creator>stuff happens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 01:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well done ABs a far better side. As many have pointed out Wallabies played well enough in first half but lost the 2nd 3-19 which is dreadful.
By the way excellent Currie Cup final between Bulls &amp; Cheetahs: 36-24. Watch it if you can - very exciting and fierce.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well done ABs a far better side. As many have pointed out Wallabies played well enough in first half but lost the 2nd 3-19 which is dreadful.<br />
By the way excellent Currie Cup final between Bulls &amp; Cheetahs: 36-24. Watch it if you can &#8211; very exciting and fierce.</p>
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		<title>By: ohtani's jacket</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/10/31/battered-wallabies-desperate-to-bury-the-demons-2/comment-page-4/#comment-236810</link>
		<dc:creator>ohtani's jacket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 00:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was surprised by the in goal area. I thought the IRB had regulations about that sort of thing. The stadium was great, though. Easy to get in and out of and a short train ride. Had no idea what was going on with the ref and the TMO. All I know is that Hynes never scored that try.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was surprised by the in goal area. I thought the IRB had regulations about that sort of thing. The stadium was great, though. Easy to get in and out of and a short train ride. Had no idea what was going on with the ref and the TMO. All I know is that Hynes never scored that try.</p>
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		<title>By: mcxd</title>
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		<dc:creator>mcxd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:34:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank, I understand your point and agree that he may be quite talented but just to clarify, do you really think O&#039;Connor should be in the Wallabies side at the moment (especially against the ABs) ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank, I understand your point and agree that he may be quite talented but just to clarify, do you really think O&#8217;Connor should be in the Wallabies side at the moment (especially against the ABs) ?</p>
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		<title>By: Frank O'Keeffe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank O'Keeffe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:45:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can I also just say I didn&#039;t think O&#039;Connor was too bad in that first half. He wasn&#039;t tested much with the high ball as the commentary constantly alluded to, but he did bring Corey Jane down after he&#039;d beaten three or four players. I hate all this backlash towards O&#039;Connor. He&#039;s tremendously talented and I think he&#039;ll turn into a great player over the years. But he&#039;s been thrown to the wolves by Deans, placing him in a position I don&#039;t think he&#039;s played before he reached Test level. He&#039;s been found out here and there, but too much is expected of him.

When someone asked David Campese what he thought of O&#039;Connor he warned everybody, &quot;Just let the kid play some rugby, don&#039;t put high hopes on him.&quot; Well people have expected so much from him because he&#039;s talented, and he&#039;s been found out a few times after being thrown into the deep end. Deans has essentially said to him ,&quot;Learn how to swim.&quot; That&#039;s not the right way to nurture such a great talent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can I also just say I didn&#8217;t think O&#8217;Connor was too bad in that first half. He wasn&#8217;t tested much with the high ball as the commentary constantly alluded to, but he did bring Corey Jane down after he&#8217;d beaten three or four players. I hate all this backlash towards O&#8217;Connor. He&#8217;s tremendously talented and I think he&#8217;ll turn into a great player over the years. But he&#8217;s been thrown to the wolves by Deans, placing him in a position I don&#8217;t think he&#8217;s played before he reached Test level. He&#8217;s been found out here and there, but too much is expected of him.</p>
<p>When someone asked David Campese what he thought of O&#8217;Connor he warned everybody, &#8220;Just let the kid play some rugby, don&#8217;t put high hopes on him.&#8221; Well people have expected so much from him because he&#8217;s talented, and he&#8217;s been found out a few times after being thrown into the deep end. Deans has essentially said to him ,&#8221;Learn how to swim.&#8221; That&#8217;s not the right way to nurture such a great talent.</p>
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		<title>By: Knives Out</title>
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		<dc:creator>Knives Out</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:24:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been watching the Volcano closely this season. He is a horrific union player.</description>
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		<title>By: sportym</title>
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		<dc:creator>sportym</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also forgot to mention the ground, that was really pissweak, 1/2 of the inzone was astroturf, a disgrace by the hosts given how much notice they had. Kinda dispointed that the ARU backed the Japanese bid when they cannot even prepare a simple ground and the TMO incident was becoming really embarrasing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also forgot to mention the ground, that was really pissweak, 1/2 of the inzone was astroturf, a disgrace by the hosts given how much notice they had. Kinda dispointed that the ARU backed the Japanese bid when they cannot even prepare a simple ground and the TMO incident was becoming really embarrasing.</p>
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		<title>By: sportym</title>
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		<dc:creator>sportym</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:22:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d argue we lost 32-12, that was no try, the ref got fed up with the TMO and it was just turning into a embarrasing situation of lost in translation so just got some balls and called a try.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d argue we lost 32-12, that was no try, the ref got fed up with the TMO and it was just turning into a embarrasing situation of lost in translation so just got some balls and called a try.</p>
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		<title>By: sportym</title>
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		<dc:creator>sportym</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well done ABs, to me they seemed to cruise through that game.

JOC is not fullback, smith showed him up nicely. We need a real solid defender, JOC should play 12, he is being wasted and shown up at 15. AAC, that guy gives everthing and has no fear, put him at 15 for the grandslam.

If deans is such a good coach why are most of the wallaby players not playing in their natural postions? AAC at 12 is seriously a joke, we have 3 S14 teams, and not a single 12 of these teams could slot in???. For me the biggest issues was cross at 13 and Joc at 15, Conrad Smith carved them up nicely, if you are going ot have a suspicous 13 in defence you cannot have JOC at 15, you need someone like AAC who will make the Tackle. 

If Deans persists with AAC at 12 and JOC at 15 the grandslam it will be over at twickers next weekend, and we better start looking for a new coach. This current wallabies record is a joke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well done ABs, to me they seemed to cruise through that game.</p>
<p>JOC is not fullback, smith showed him up nicely. We need a real solid defender, JOC should play 12, he is being wasted and shown up at 15. AAC, that guy gives everthing and has no fear, put him at 15 for the grandslam.</p>
<p>If deans is such a good coach why are most of the wallaby players not playing in their natural postions? AAC at 12 is seriously a joke, we have 3 S14 teams, and not a single 12 of these teams could slot in???. For me the biggest issues was cross at 13 and Joc at 15, Conrad Smith carved them up nicely, if you are going ot have a suspicous 13 in defence you cannot have JOC at 15, you need someone like AAC who will make the Tackle. </p>
<p>If Deans persists with AAC at 12 and JOC at 15 the grandslam it will be over at twickers next weekend, and we better start looking for a new coach. This current wallabies record is a joke.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank O'Keeffe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank O'Keeffe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll say it.

I think the Wallabies ought to drop Giteau. Deans needs to ask himself why, in a game where Australia got equal possession and territory (notably Australia&#039;s possession wasn&#039;t always the cleanest), Australia didn&#039;t command any instances in the second half. It says something about how their primary playmaker is controlling the game.

It&#039;ll never happen because:

* Giteau is obviously very talented.
* He&#039;s an experienced player in a side that lacks experience.
* The players seem to rate him.

He&#039;s such a talented player that it seems a waste to drop him. Spiro Zavos has suggested he play on the wing, and it&#039;s not surprising such a suggestion would be made, because Giteau is so talented it seems a waste to drop him.

But he&#039;s not a five eighth. His kicking from hand is horrendous. I wouldn&#039;t go so far to say his kicking is the reason the Wallabies lost this last game. But I think but for Giteau&#039;s kicking, Australia could have won in Auckland this year and in Sydney. Australia should have won in Brisbane last year, when the Aussie forwards played awesome, but Giteau&#039;s kicking let them down again.

I used to love Giteau when he played at 12, but as a friend once said to me, &quot;He&#039;s the kind of player you don&#039;t notice at 12, but then he has little moments that break the game open.&quot; In other words, Giteau doesn&#039;t command the inside centre position, but he can still be a gamebreaker if only for a few moments in the match. I don&#039;t think Giteau should be inside centre.

He&#039;s just a tremendously talented player that doesn&#039;t seem to fit anywhere in a backline. Too much of an individualist in my opinion. He&#039;s not really a constructive-type player. It was nice seeing him attack the line in this last game, but he went for glory too often and the All Black defence was up to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll say it.</p>
<p>I think the Wallabies ought to drop Giteau. Deans needs to ask himself why, in a game where Australia got equal possession and territory (notably Australia&#8217;s possession wasn&#8217;t always the cleanest), Australia didn&#8217;t command any instances in the second half. It says something about how their primary playmaker is controlling the game.</p>
<p>It&#8217;ll never happen because:</p>
<p>* Giteau is obviously very talented.<br />
* He&#8217;s an experienced player in a side that lacks experience.<br />
* The players seem to rate him.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s such a talented player that it seems a waste to drop him. Spiro Zavos has suggested he play on the wing, and it&#8217;s not surprising such a suggestion would be made, because Giteau is so talented it seems a waste to drop him.</p>
<p>But he&#8217;s not a five eighth. His kicking from hand is horrendous. I wouldn&#8217;t go so far to say his kicking is the reason the Wallabies lost this last game. But I think but for Giteau&#8217;s kicking, Australia could have won in Auckland this year and in Sydney. Australia should have won in Brisbane last year, when the Aussie forwards played awesome, but Giteau&#8217;s kicking let them down again.</p>
<p>I used to love Giteau when he played at 12, but as a friend once said to me, &#8220;He&#8217;s the kind of player you don&#8217;t notice at 12, but then he has little moments that break the game open.&#8221; In other words, Giteau doesn&#8217;t command the inside centre position, but he can still be a gamebreaker if only for a few moments in the match. I don&#8217;t think Giteau should be inside centre.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s just a tremendously talented player that doesn&#8217;t seem to fit anywhere in a backline. Too much of an individualist in my opinion. He&#8217;s not really a constructive-type player. It was nice seeing him attack the line in this last game, but he went for glory too often and the All Black defence was up to it.</p>
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		<title>By: ohtani's jacket</title>
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		<dc:creator>ohtani's jacket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 14:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I enjoyed it. I have no idea whether the All Blacks played well. Australia appeared to enjoy a fair amount of territory and possession. From my vantage point, the All Black backline formations were better than the Aussies and whoever was kicking in the second half (Giteau?) was the main reason Australia lost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I enjoyed it. I have no idea whether the All Blacks played well. Australia appeared to enjoy a fair amount of territory and possession. From my vantage point, the All Black backline formations were better than the Aussies and whoever was kicking in the second half (Giteau?) was the main reason Australia lost.</p>
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		<title>By: Hermin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hermin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 13:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EZ&#039;s are you for real?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EZ&#8217;s are you for real?</p>
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		<title>By: Even looser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Even looser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 13:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep the basic skills were poor alright. But so too were the options. Just dumb passes when the opposition traffic was heavy and losing the ball time and time again in contact that hurt us. A lot.

The crazy kamikaze idea of one off running flat out into a wall of Men in Black may have been gutsy but it was just plain dumb IMHO, especially as it didn&#039;t appear to have a snow ball&#039;s chance in hell. Yet we just kept on doing. As if....

When we actually hung onto the ball we appeared to find gaps..........or maybe the All Blacks had shut up shop by then, it&#039;s hard to tell.

Tell you what though, I&#039;d like to start a petition for box kick to be banned by our blokes. I&#039;ve yet to actually see the point to them. I mean we already had possession, so our box kick anyways, just either hands it back or else gives us a slight chance of regaining possession. Surely there&#039;s better ways of using the pill?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep the basic skills were poor alright. But so too were the options. Just dumb passes when the opposition traffic was heavy and losing the ball time and time again in contact that hurt us. A lot.</p>
<p>The crazy kamikaze idea of one off running flat out into a wall of Men in Black may have been gutsy but it was just plain dumb IMHO, especially as it didn&#8217;t appear to have a snow ball&#8217;s chance in hell. Yet we just kept on doing. As if&#8230;.</p>
<p>When we actually hung onto the ball we appeared to find gaps&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.or maybe the All Blacks had shut up shop by then, it&#8217;s hard to tell.</p>
<p>Tell you what though, I&#8217;d like to start a petition for box kick to be banned by our blokes. I&#8217;ve yet to actually see the point to them. I mean we already had possession, so our box kick anyways, just either hands it back or else gives us a slight chance of regaining possession. Surely there&#8217;s better ways of using the pill?</p>
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		<title>By: Even looser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Even looser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 13:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>‘Thirdly and a mere technical matter.&#039; Have to agree with this observation. But not too sure it&#039;s merely technical. Way too often the pill is being received just as that off side player is arriving. Surely it&#039;s an easy one for refs &amp; assistants to police and would improve the contest immediately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>‘Thirdly and a mere technical matter.&#8217; Have to agree with this observation. But not too sure it&#8217;s merely technical. Way too often the pill is being received just as that off side player is arriving. Surely it&#8217;s an easy one for refs &amp; assistants to police and would improve the contest immediately.</p>
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		<title>By: Colin N</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colin N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 13:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Sale fan, I say Gloucester deserved to win, at least there was a bit of structure about their game. Missed kicks and silly mistakes in good positions cost them.

They bascially dominated us for for the whole of the second-half with 14 men. 

I must add, Vainikolo (I believe) butchered a certain try, it was hilarious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Sale fan, I say Gloucester deserved to win, at least there was a bit of structure about their game. Missed kicks and silly mistakes in good positions cost them.</p>
<p>They bascially dominated us for for the whole of the second-half with 14 men. </p>
<p>I must add, Vainikolo (I believe) butchered a certain try, it was hilarious.</p>
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		<title>By: MM Fike</title>
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		<dc:creator>MM Fike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah I forgot to acknowledge the AB&#039;s were too good also.

Some think it&#039;s an average AB side but they look pretty good to me. And they are only going to get better.
They&#039;ll win the next World Cup under &#039;a tight hold&#039; in racing parlance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah I forgot to acknowledge the AB&#8217;s were too good also.</p>
<p>Some think it&#8217;s an average AB side but they look pretty good to me. And they are only going to get better.<br />
They&#8217;ll win the next World Cup under &#8216;a tight hold&#8217; in racing parlance.</p>
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		<title>By: wannabprop</title>
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		<dc:creator>wannabprop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the positivity Blinky. And in my state of despair, I forgot to congratulate the ABs - too good...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the positivity Blinky. And in my state of despair, I forgot to congratulate the ABs &#8211; too good&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: MM Fike</title>
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		<dc:creator>MM Fike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The lack of basic skills in the Wallabies beggars belief. 
The dumb kicking defies logic.
.The forwards are just not good enough. Well some of them are but it&#039;s akin to a V8 running on four cylinders.

This won&#039;t be the last loss on this tour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The lack of basic skills in the Wallabies beggars belief.<br />
The dumb kicking defies logic.<br />
.The forwards are just not good enough. Well some of them are but it&#8217;s akin to a V8 running on four cylinders.</p>
<p>This won&#8217;t be the last loss on this tour.</p>
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		<title>By: Knives Out</title>
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		<dc:creator>Knives Out</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Thirdly and a mere technical matter. When is a referee going to penalise a team for running well in front of the kickoff or a scoring restart. it is increasing. Once or twice is forgiveable but 1 to 3 metre head starts is putting to much pressure on the receiver.&#039;

I noticed that too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Thirdly and a mere technical matter. When is a referee going to penalise a team for running well in front of the kickoff or a scoring restart. it is increasing. Once or twice is forgiveable but 1 to 3 metre head starts is putting to much pressure on the receiver.&#8217;</p>
<p>I noticed that too.</p>
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		<title>By: Blinky Bill from Bellingen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blinky Bill from Bellingen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There will no doubt be heaps of focus on where the Wallabies went wrong and quite right too. I&#039;ll leave that for others.

Instead I&#039;d like to try and remain positive, somewhat. Got to say that I was much happier with their efforts at the breakdown. It&#039;s not great but it&#039;s much better. Far more aggressive BUT still very, very slow ball compared to what the AB&#039;s were receiving. The AB&#039;s seem masters at slowing down opposition ball. If the ref isn&#039;t pinging them then why aren&#039;t our blokes reciprocating?

Must agree with Frank O&#039;Keeffe - If ever there was a moment that changed the game it was Pocock getting pinged for not entering through the gate. The replay not only showed that he was fine (and that the AB was holding on) but also showed that Lawrence was Johnny on the spot. It was right under his nose. 

Still trying to remain positive here, considering our blokes had no comp below S14 to help get themselves ready, the boys didn&#039;t do all that bad. It may well be that they start to build from here, go to Europe and actually put in some pretty good performances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There will no doubt be heaps of focus on where the Wallabies went wrong and quite right too. I&#8217;ll leave that for others.</p>
<p>Instead I&#8217;d like to try and remain positive, somewhat. Got to say that I was much happier with their efforts at the breakdown. It&#8217;s not great but it&#8217;s much better. Far more aggressive BUT still very, very slow ball compared to what the AB&#8217;s were receiving. The AB&#8217;s seem masters at slowing down opposition ball. If the ref isn&#8217;t pinging them then why aren&#8217;t our blokes reciprocating?</p>
<p>Must agree with Frank O&#8217;Keeffe &#8211; If ever there was a moment that changed the game it was Pocock getting pinged for not entering through the gate. The replay not only showed that he was fine (and that the AB was holding on) but also showed that Lawrence was Johnny on the spot. It was right under his nose. </p>
<p>Still trying to remain positive here, considering our blokes had no comp below S14 to help get themselves ready, the boys didn&#8217;t do all that bad. It may well be that they start to build from here, go to Europe and actually put in some pretty good performances.</p>
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		<title>By: Armchair-critic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Armchair-critic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree with you on Cross and also that JOC is not a 15
Also think Chisholm needs some bench time and someone else given a crack but Horwill is the only genuine lineout option in the entire squad due to injury. He simply has to play or our lineout will be even worse than tonight.
Similarly with Alexander - no one else really stands out as demanding selection - he is improving with every game and i think has done enough to warrant his place. he isn&#039;t world class by any means but he is the best option we have at the moment.
I thought Pocock actually had a good game - made an amazing trysaver on Sivivatu in cover defence - covered a lot of ground. And i think the penalty at the end was a little harsh. Smith looked better off the bench than he has all tri nations so maybe this has rekindled his desire and he will return to the starting XV in better shape</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree with you on Cross and also that JOC is not a 15<br />
Also think Chisholm needs some bench time and someone else given a crack but Horwill is the only genuine lineout option in the entire squad due to injury. He simply has to play or our lineout will be even worse than tonight.<br />
Similarly with Alexander &#8211; no one else really stands out as demanding selection &#8211; he is improving with every game and i think has done enough to warrant his place. he isn&#8217;t world class by any means but he is the best option we have at the moment.<br />
I thought Pocock actually had a good game &#8211; made an amazing trysaver on Sivivatu in cover defence &#8211; covered a lot of ground. And i think the penalty at the end was a little harsh. Smith looked better off the bench than he has all tri nations so maybe this has rekindled his desire and he will return to the starting XV in better shape</p>
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		<title>By: westy</title>
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		<dc:creator>westy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The wallabies tried hard. Even showed some emotion.Handling was terrible and sometimes the result of great defence. Genia Digby  ACC Palu Pocock showed either potential or some real quality I will not be any more judgemental  than to say that Deans win record 54%  is now below Eddie jones at 57%. I think Deans is a good coach but I am uncomfortable that the ARU never allowed Jones and more especially  Connolly the luxury of the notion they did not have a very good squad.
Three  things. I watched Mumm. I am concerned of bias on my part. I watch Mumm he is thereabouts but never  decisive or dynamic or punishing. I am sorry but how well connected is he? he just has not quite got it at test level.
Secondly i thought the All blacks were always in control. this does not mean it was not hard just that i think they had us defensively  . loved the lines their backs ran Quality.
Thirdly and a mere technical matter. When is a referee going to penalise a team for running well in front of the kickoff or a scoring restart. it is increasing.  Once or twice is forgiveable but 1 to 3 metre head starts is putting to much pressure on the receiver.
Well done to the All blacks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The wallabies tried hard. Even showed some emotion.Handling was terrible and sometimes the result of great defence. Genia Digby  ACC Palu Pocock showed either potential or some real quality I will not be any more judgemental  than to say that Deans win record 54%  is now below Eddie jones at 57%. I think Deans is a good coach but I am uncomfortable that the ARU never allowed Jones and more especially  Connolly the luxury of the notion they did not have a very good squad.<br />
Three  things. I watched Mumm. I am concerned of bias on my part. I watch Mumm he is thereabouts but never  decisive or dynamic or punishing. I am sorry but how well connected is he? he just has not quite got it at test level.<br />
Secondly i thought the All blacks were always in control. this does not mean it was not hard just that i think they had us defensively  . loved the lines their backs ran Quality.<br />
Thirdly and a mere technical matter. When is a referee going to penalise a team for running well in front of the kickoff or a scoring restart. it is increasing.  Once or twice is forgiveable but 1 to 3 metre head starts is putting to much pressure on the receiver.<br />
Well done to the All blacks</p>
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		<title>By: wannabprop</title>
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		<dc:creator>wannabprop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Only saw the second half (painful).  Agree with all the previous comments.  What strikes me at the mo, is that after following the Wallabies from the late 70s, and even tho they&#039;ve often struggled to achieve parity in the scrums (and at times the lineout), you could pretty much always count on a slick backline.  Now we see Giteau crabbing sideways (until late in the game when he suddenly decided to do a Mortlock impersonation), and an alignment that is far too deep.  What&#039;s going on?  I concede this is not the best Wallaby backline, but they look completely clueless right now.  It&#039;s clearly not a happy camp (regardless of win or loss).  The coaching has to come under serious scrutiny - I doubt they&#039;ll sack Deans before the WC (unless they lose every game on tour, which is possible), but the the broom should go through the rest - perhaps some &#039;competitive tension&#039; in the coaching ranks Robbie?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only saw the second half (painful).  Agree with all the previous comments.  What strikes me at the mo, is that after following the Wallabies from the late 70s, and even tho they&#8217;ve often struggled to achieve parity in the scrums (and at times the lineout), you could pretty much always count on a slick backline.  Now we see Giteau crabbing sideways (until late in the game when he suddenly decided to do a Mortlock impersonation), and an alignment that is far too deep.  What&#8217;s going on?  I concede this is not the best Wallaby backline, but they look completely clueless right now.  It&#8217;s clearly not a happy camp (regardless of win or loss).  The coaching has to come under serious scrutiny &#8211; I doubt they&#8217;ll sack Deans before the WC (unless they lose every game on tour, which is possible), but the the broom should go through the rest &#8211; perhaps some &#8216;competitive tension&#8217; in the coaching ranks Robbie?</p>
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		<title>By: Harry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:39:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg Martin in a rare moment of truth, said in the after match jibbering that he thought 4 or 5 players weren&#039;t up to test standard... my list of Wallabies currently not up to it:
Alexander (promising but you can&#039;t become a test tightehad in 3 months and 3 games)
Pocock (Jeez he gives away a lot of dumb penalties and he lacks the all round awareness of McCaw and Smith, still a work in progress and should be playing in the midweek matches)
Chisolm (there can no longer be any doubt, he has had enough chances ...not hard enough or reliable enough for test second-rower)
Horwill (lost all the drive of 08, a real shame)
JOC (Deans is buggering up this special talent by playing him at 15)
Cross (repeatedly shown up in defence, and poor in attack)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg Martin in a rare moment of truth, said in the after match jibbering that he thought 4 or 5 players weren&#8217;t up to test standard&#8230; my list of Wallabies currently not up to it:<br />
Alexander (promising but you can&#8217;t become a test tightehad in 3 months and 3 games)<br />
Pocock (Jeez he gives away a lot of dumb penalties and he lacks the all round awareness of McCaw and Smith, still a work in progress and should be playing in the midweek matches)<br />
Chisolm (there can no longer be any doubt, he has had enough chances &#8230;not hard enough or reliable enough for test second-rower)<br />
Horwill (lost all the drive of 08, a real shame)<br />
JOC (Deans is buggering up this special talent by playing him at 15)<br />
Cross (repeatedly shown up in defence, and poor in attack)</p>
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		<title>By: Armchair-critic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Armchair-critic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is the 5th time out of the 6 tests since Auckland last year that the Wallabies have had a half time lead against the ABs and lost the match.
How can this keep happening?
However i thought it was a much better showing tonight. particularly given the injury setbacks.
Atleast there seemed to be a bit more determination around the breakdowns and running the ball.
Losing Barnes is going to be a massive blow as AAC desperately needs to replace Cross at 13 until Mortlock arrives. Cross just doesnt know what to do on defence (as witnessed through Smith&#039;s try) and is ineffective at this level with ball in hand.
Was an improved performance from Giteau in the absence of Barnes and will need to continue to improve.

Lineouts and handling errors will need to be fixed before England</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is the 5th time out of the 6 tests since Auckland last year that the Wallabies have had a half time lead against the ABs and lost the match.<br />
How can this keep happening?<br />
However i thought it was a much better showing tonight. particularly given the injury setbacks.<br />
Atleast there seemed to be a bit more determination around the breakdowns and running the ball.<br />
Losing Barnes is going to be a massive blow as AAC desperately needs to replace Cross at 13 until Mortlock arrives. Cross just doesnt know what to do on defence (as witnessed through Smith&#8217;s try) and is ineffective at this level with ball in hand.<br />
Was an improved performance from Giteau in the absence of Barnes and will need to continue to improve.</p>
<p>Lineouts and handling errors will need to be fixed before England</p>
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		<title>By: Harry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That ended pretty much as I expected, I honestly cannot remember going into a Bledisloe being more certain we were about to lose ... maybe Dunedin in 97.
OK I&#039;ll try and be positive:
1) Didn&#039;t seem to be any serious injuries.  
2) Digby went allright after his long layoff and will be better for that run.
3) Two of the rookies, Genia and Alexander, went OK and will be better for the experience.
4) We weren&#039;t absolutely humiliated like Wellington.
Thats it. Anything else like the crap sprouted by the apologists on Fox - particularly Kafer, is just fluff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That ended pretty much as I expected, I honestly cannot remember going into a Bledisloe being more certain we were about to lose &#8230; maybe Dunedin in 97.<br />
OK I&#8217;ll try and be positive:<br />
1) Didn&#8217;t seem to be any serious injuries.<br />
2) Digby went allright after his long layoff and will be better for that run.<br />
3) Two of the rookies, Genia and Alexander, went OK and will be better for the experience.<br />
4) We weren&#8217;t absolutely humiliated like Wellington.<br />
Thats it. Anything else like the crap sprouted by the apologists on Fox &#8211; particularly Kafer, is just fluff.</p>
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		<title>By: Go_the_Wannabe's</title>
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		<dc:creator>Go_the_Wannabe's</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was character building times for the Wannabe&#039;s back early in the TN this year.......not sure what to call it now. The Great Rout? The Great Debacle (that will be the GS tour)? I really don&#039;t see Dingo turning this around by RWC 2011. It&#039;s our turn at the bottom of the pile in TN so all we can do is suck it up for now.

So where did we go wrong yet again? Here&#039;s a headline.........you can&#039;t drop the ball as many times as the Wannabe&#039;s did near the try line and expect to win the game. I don&#039;t care about missed tackles, line breaks, time in possession etc etc.........you&#039;re never going to beat the all blacks if you drop the ball that many times attacking the EnZedders line. End of story.

The EZ&#039;s are so clinical in their approach that they know all they have to do is make 5 or 6 tackles and the Wannabe&#039;s will cough up the pill. Elsom set the tone for the whole match and did little else really. Where were his great bullocking runs? Even Palu made some....

The EZ&#039;s with Carter and McCaw on board are a fairly useful outfit. The team knows they will have huge games against the Wannabe&#039;s....so all they really need is for a couple of others to put in a cameo or two and they&#039;re home and hosed.....simple as that. The Wannabe&#039;s can only hope the EZ&#039;s have a rough day at the office and then hope they have a blinder themselves. But everyone knows......hope is not a plan!

Why does it always seem we&#039;re saying &quot;so where to from here?&quot; after every game recently? OK lets have yet another crack at this perplexing question. I can&#039;t stand it when people say that we don&#039;t have the cattle right now. That&#039;s cr*p. We have the cattle......they just need to be herded in the right direction. This is what you have a coach for. The coach&#039;s accept all the accolades when they win (note Henry&#039;s big sh*t eating grin at the end of the match) so they must take the responsibility when they lose. Dingo must find a way or get off the pot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was character building times for the Wannabe&#8217;s back early in the TN this year&#8230;&#8230;.not sure what to call it now. The Great Rout? The Great Debacle (that will be the GS tour)? I really don&#8217;t see Dingo turning this around by RWC 2011. It&#8217;s our turn at the bottom of the pile in TN so all we can do is suck it up for now.</p>
<p>So where did we go wrong yet again? Here&#8217;s a headline&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;you can&#8217;t drop the ball as many times as the Wannabe&#8217;s did near the try line and expect to win the game. I don&#8217;t care about missed tackles, line breaks, time in possession etc etc&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;you&#8217;re never going to beat the all blacks if you drop the ball that many times attacking the EnZedders line. End of story.</p>
<p>The EZ&#8217;s are so clinical in their approach that they know all they have to do is make 5 or 6 tackles and the Wannabe&#8217;s will cough up the pill. Elsom set the tone for the whole match and did little else really. Where were his great bullocking runs? Even Palu made some&#8230;.</p>
<p>The EZ&#8217;s with Carter and McCaw on board are a fairly useful outfit. The team knows they will have huge games against the Wannabe&#8217;s&#8230;.so all they really need is for a couple of others to put in a cameo or two and they&#8217;re home and hosed&#8230;..simple as that. The Wannabe&#8217;s can only hope the EZ&#8217;s have a rough day at the office and then hope they have a blinder themselves. But everyone knows&#8230;&#8230;hope is not a plan!</p>
<p>Why does it always seem we&#8217;re saying &#8220;so where to from here?&#8221; after every game recently? OK lets have yet another crack at this perplexing question. I can&#8217;t stand it when people say that we don&#8217;t have the cattle right now. That&#8217;s cr*p. We have the cattle&#8230;&#8230;they just need to be herded in the right direction. This is what you have a coach for. The coach&#8217;s accept all the accolades when they win (note Henry&#8217;s big sh*t eating grin at the end of the match) so they must take the responsibility when they lose. Dingo must find a way or get off the pot.</p>
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		<title>By: Knives Out</title>
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		<dc:creator>Knives Out</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was taken aback by Australia&#039;s early ferocity, and perhaps NZ was too. However, the status quo kicked in and NZ dealt with Australia. I get the impression with NZ v Australia that no matter what Australia throws at them NZ will always find another gear. Todays points difference doesn&#039;t reflect the huge skills chasm between the two sides. Some of the NZ back play was excellent: soft hands, good angles, good timing and good accuracy. Australia, on the other hand, relied on powerful bursts from individuals like AAC and briefly Ioane.

I thought that Palu and AAC were powerful, that Hore and Thomson were busy, that Jane and Muliaina looked inventive and dynamic and that McCaw played well as a leader. Some of what Carter did was astonishing. Giteau is occasionally very incisive and penetrative. Morne Steyn kicks excellently. Carter does everything. He has speed, tactical appreciation, awareness, time on the ball. He is a joy to watch. Conversely, Rodney So&#039;oialo is not a joy to watch. He is a liability, as was Sivivatu today. He can&#039;t kick, struggles to pass and lacks concentration. What is happening with the NZ coaching? 

I felt the refereeing was very unimpressive with some very arbitrary scrum calls and seemingly missing various off sides. The &#039;try&#039; was never a try and I can&#039;t believe that Lawrence gave it without proper correspondence with the video ref.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was taken aback by Australia&#8217;s early ferocity, and perhaps NZ was too. However, the status quo kicked in and NZ dealt with Australia. I get the impression with NZ v Australia that no matter what Australia throws at them NZ will always find another gear. Todays points difference doesn&#8217;t reflect the huge skills chasm between the two sides. Some of the NZ back play was excellent: soft hands, good angles, good timing and good accuracy. Australia, on the other hand, relied on powerful bursts from individuals like AAC and briefly Ioane.</p>
<p>I thought that Palu and AAC were powerful, that Hore and Thomson were busy, that Jane and Muliaina looked inventive and dynamic and that McCaw played well as a leader. Some of what Carter did was astonishing. Giteau is occasionally very incisive and penetrative. Morne Steyn kicks excellently. Carter does everything. He has speed, tactical appreciation, awareness, time on the ball. He is a joy to watch. Conversely, Rodney So&#8217;oialo is not a joy to watch. He is a liability, as was Sivivatu today. He can&#8217;t kick, struggles to pass and lacks concentration. What is happening with the NZ coaching? </p>
<p>I felt the refereeing was very unimpressive with some very arbitrary scrum calls and seemingly missing various off sides. The &#8216;try&#8217; was never a try and I can&#8217;t believe that Lawrence gave it without proper correspondence with the video ref.</p>
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