Comments on: Hansen hits back at Deans’ breakdown claims

By: CaughtOffside

CaughtOffside — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:33:40 +0000

the gate is not defined by who is on their feet….. its defined by the players on the ground, tackled player and tackler. Penalty was right.

By: reds fan

reds fan — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 09:01:03 +0000

aw gee shucks Hermin… i sure did hey… guffaw guffaw…

By: Hermin

Hermin — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 08:55:02 +0000

Redsfan you got served big time your own attempt at humour got smashed right back at you and it hit you right in the face.
Time to breathe mate and start planning for next year

By: Ben C

Ben C — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 08:24:58 +0000

Hi Dean

I was referencing the Simpsons. The episode where Homer forms a vigilante gang and made a similar comment to Kent Brockman about statistics.

Obviously you need to watch more Simpsons.

By: Dean Pantio

Dean Pantio — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 04:46:51 +0000

That was my point Ben.

By: Bay35Pablo

Bay35Pablo — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 04:43:21 +0000

Dean, thanks for that light shining out of Richie’s backside, it’s useful to read the rule book with my one eye.

Yes, the ABs cheat. So do the Boks. Clearly systematically at times. You both beat us even at that!!!! We can’t clean out properly, can’t run back line moves properly, and can’t cheat properly.

By: Ben C

Ben C — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 04:34:49 +0000

Dean

You can prove anything you want with statistics, 78% of all people know that.

By: Dean Pantio

Dean Pantio — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 02:54:25 +0000

Not hard in comparison admittedly.

By: reds fan

reds fan — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 02:50:57 +0000

And once again you shine with your sparkling intellect.

By: Brett McKay

Brett McKay — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 02:49:35 +0000

Terry, I have a strict One Snappy Comeback rule in play here – I’ve got nothing!!

And actually, if I did have the answer, then I’d be in the stands hugging Aussie Rob while we sing the Anthem!!

By: Dean Pantio

Dean Pantio — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 02:46:58 +0000

Pleasing to see rugby is catering to your demographic reds fan.

By: reds fan

reds fan — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 02:40:19 +0000

I think that the AB’s ruck tactic should be officially known as spooning, and the AB’s henceforth referred to as the Spooners.

By: Dean Pantio

Dean Pantio — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 02:38:26 +0000

Wallaby backs don’t do it habitually. Obviously there must have been something said after their no show at the breakdowns in Wellington.

BTW, I saw Wallabies and All Blacks commit penaliseable offences at 93.67% of rucks…

By: reds fan

reds fan — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 02:33:58 +0000

yeah its hard to stay on your feet and cleanout when the person you want to cleanout is spooning the guy he just tackled.

By: Terry Kidd

Terry Kidd — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 02:30:55 +0000

Sorry Dean but that might explain about 5% of the occurrences, I certainly saw Wallaby backs clearing out, even Genia on a couple of occasions because he was one of the first there.

By: Terry Kidd

Terry Kidd — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 02:28:15 +0000

Yeah I was a little surprised that Thomson didn’t get a short rest but I was even more amazed when I saw McCaw enter from the side and literally hang over Alexander’s back impeding Genia from getting the ball out …. right in front of the ref and nothing was said …. even Alexander looked up at Lawrence and went WTF???

Having said that though it was generally Thomson and not McCaw who was the serial offender …. although everyone was doing it.

By: Terry Kidd

Terry Kidd — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 02:25:16 +0000

Lol …. nice come back Brett. Ok, I’ll poke one back over the net ….. compete … how?

By: Dean Pantio

Dean Pantio — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 02:23:48 +0000

See my response to Hoy on this issue here. Quite simply, often in a ruck you can be and are trapped, without the ability to move. I've no doubt that more often than not, the ability to be trapped and interfere with the free movement of the ball is not accidental. The difference between the All Blacks and the Wallabies is their effectiveness at clearing out opposition bodies at the ruck. That is why the All Blacks get faster ball from their own rucks. Every player clears out, whereas the Wallaby backs seem to believe it's the responsibility of their forwards only.

By: Brett McKay

Brett McKay — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 02:20:21 +0000

Terry, I think you raise some fair questions, particularly when Adam Thompson was cautioned at least twice early on. It’s a fair assumption that when repeated cautions are issued that further infringements would be dealt with. I’m with you though, the ABs thoroughly deserved the win, so I’ll revert to type to answer one of your questions:

What is it that the ABs are doing different to the Wallabies at the breakdown? Well, “compete” comes to mind….

By: Terry Kidd

Terry Kidd — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 02:01:35 +0000

Yeah I know Reds but thought I would ask anyway. I’m not one for just slinging crap around, I like a bit of analysis and thoughful discussion, and I really would like to see some answers to my question.

By: reds fan

reds fan — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 01:55:41 +0000

Good luck getting a straight answer on that one Terry.

By: Stash

Stash — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 01:49:29 +0000

As an AB supporter – I saw the ABs get away with a few in the breakdown – particularly offside body position iat the breakdown. It did concede a couple of penalties – but I never heard the ref give final warnings or take McCaw aside to issue his dissatisfaction.

We all know that it is about playing to the ref – at no point has it been the ABs job to play to please Robbie Deans. Deans is cashing in his winning philosophies for a bad loser t-shirt.

All that aside – the better team won on the night – and everyone knows that

By: Terry Kidd

Terry Kidd — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 01:44:43 +0000

G’day Dean and Jerry, I also think the ABs deserved the win and of course all teams try and slow ball delivery down but it was very, very noticeable on Saturday night that AB ball was cleared far more quickly than Wallaby ball. Why? What is it that the ABs are doing different to the Wallabies at the breakdown? Please let me know what you think is being done differently because I was watching intently and all I could see was an AB body, arm or leg obstructing the ball and no one trying to get clear of the ball. My only gripe with the ref was him seemingly doing nothing about it.

By: Dean Pantio

Dean Pantio — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 01:15:47 +0000

The All Blacks were penalised on the weekend. I don’t see anyone suggesting otherwise. What I do see is a bunch of supporters pretending only one team infringed.

By: Jerry

Jerry — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 01:15:18 +0000

Hilarious. You’re about the 5th Aussie I’ve seen in the last couple of days who has a monumental whinge about how the AB’s are serial cheaters then accuses people who respond of either being one eyed or whinging.

By: RugbyThinker

RugbyThinker — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 01:08:43 +0000

Obviously lot of one-eyed AB supporters around today!!!. Of course the ABs do nothing wrong and McCaw is never offside? As I said good luck to him if he doesn’t get caught. ABs deserved win but whistle blowing is stifling game. These issues are not just about Bledisloe Cup matches as most test matches are crap these days cos of pedantic refs who are inconsistent. IRB needs to spend big on refereeing development……present pool is poor and little coming through the ranks.

By: Dean Pantio

Dean Pantio — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 00:30:00 +0000

You call yourself RugbyThinker..? Do you actually believe that the only team that infringes to give away three points instead of a possible seven is the All Blacks? You honestly don’t think the Wallabies do the same? Just how did the All Blacks manage to kick six penalties? Did the ref get those wrong too?

I shouldn’t be surprised that a good proportion of rugby related posts afte the weekend are; All Blacks cheat, McCaw is always offside, blah blah blah. If you didn’t see the game, you’d only have to look at The Roar to know the Wallabies lost.

By: Knives Out

Knives Out — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 00:23:22 +0000

The referee constantly allowed ball to be played from collapsed scrums and he also gave the Hynes ‘try’. Hardly Mr. P. Dantic.

By: Jerry

Jerry — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 00:22:25 +0000

“In Tokyo Pocock offence was line ball to say least. And when will Rugby adapt the atitude that attacking team should have beneift of the doubt…”

You know, those two sentences are a tad contradictory – Pocock was on defence, remember.

By: Jerry

Jerry — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 00:17:00 +0000

Just cause it’s not a ruck yet, doesn’t mean a player can enter the tackle from where-ever he feels like.

If there’s no team-mates on their feet, you have to enter the tackle from behind the ball which Pocock didn’t do.