Wallabies All Black-ed in a tough Test in Tokyo
By Spiro Zavos, 2 Nov 2009 Spiro Zavos is a Roar Expert
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Australia's James O'Connor, center, tries to break through the tackle of New Zealand All Blacks during the Bledisloe Cup rugby test at the National Olympic Stadium in Tokyo, Saturday, Oct. 31, 2009. All Blacks won the test, 32-19. (AP Photo/Shuji Kajiyama)
The scoreline of 32 – 19 to the All Blacks against the Wallabies in Toyko did not give justice to how tough this Test was for New Zealand to win. The All Blacks scored two tries to one, admittedly. And the Peter Hynes try was awarded by Mark Lawrence, the South African referee when he got tired (it seemed) of waiting for the video referee to make his call.
But for some minutes after this controversial try the Wallabies were camped on the All Blacks tryline. With Sitiveni Sivivatu off the field with a yellow card (which probably should have been red) for one of the most blatant tackles of a catcher in the air, the All Blacks seven-man scrum was being pushed around by the Wallabies.
Wycliff Palu almost got across from one 5m scrum. Then the Wallabies made a series of hit-ups metres out from the All Blacks try line. Why they didn’t go back to Hynes unmarked on the wing is a mystery. But a hit-up went wrong. Andrew Hore snaffled the ball in the maul, and the danger was over.
The Wallabies started strongly with Will Genia making a long break out of defence and then muffing his pass to Adam Ashley-Cooper for the flyer to run in a try. Matt Giteau kicked two penalties to ram home the advantage of the good start.
Then the All Blacks got their game going and took the score to 10 – 6, with a penalty and conversion from Daniel Carter and a brilliant try by Sivivatu in which Riche McCaw handled and passed a couple of times.
Then Carter kicked another penalty, and then came the Hynes try.
I’ve listed these movements in the score line to make the point that the game was there for the taking by the Wallabies, if they had rammed home their advantage of the extra player and extreme field position.
As with the Test in Wellington, the All Blacks came back strongly in the second half scoring 19 points which included another splendid try to Conrad Smith, and a conversion and four more penalties to Carter.
The Wallabies kicked a penalty which was slightly better than the no-scoring second half ‘achieved’ at Wellington.
Something needs to be done about these second collapses by the Wallabies.
In three of the four losses to the All Blacks, they have been ahead at half-time. When Rod Macqueen coached the Wallabies they lost, from memory, only one Test after they were leading at half time. The All Blacks have a similar sort of record.
Clive Woodward told me that when he started coaching England he had a similar problem to that of Deans, with his side invariably going down to losses after being ahead at half-time. The strong first half performances were not matched with a similar strong performance in the second half. His solution was to make his players put on new jerseys and shorts at half time.
The thinking behind this was in the fresh kit the players would believe the psychology that they were starting the second half as if it were the first half. It’s history now that this psychological ploy worked for Woodward and England. In 2007 particularly, especially in the Rugby World Cup tournament, England closed out the matches in which it established a lead, even if it had to wait until the last minute of extra time to do so against the Wallabies in the final.
So I offer this idea (or more accurately, Woodward’s idea) to Deans to consider.
It seems to me, too, that the psychology of the new kit worked in 2007 because Woodward’s pack had become an experienced, tough, resilient and intense set of forwards. This is not what the Wallaby pack is right now. The younger forwards like Benn Robinson and David Pocock were the best in the pack against the All Blacks. The second row was not strong and dominant. In fact it was weak in the lineouts. And the front row, even with Robinson, does not make much of an impact in the rucks and mauls.
As this pack is the best that Deans has right now, he has to hope that they acquire the physical power and the mongrel to take their play to real Test match standards.
Having said this, it is true that this was a much better performance by the Wallabies than the defeatist shambles they offered at Wellington.
They pushed the All Blacks hard throughout the match. At the end of the match when there was a remote chance of snatching a win with two converted tries, they found holes with strong running from Ashley-Cooper, Digby Ione (a strong performance throughout) and James O’Connor.
The execution was just not there. And this underlines another aspect of this current Wallabies side. They are not clinical in the manner of the great sides of the past.
In this Test they had the chance to score four or five times. And each time, somehow, the chance was blown. Again, the backs like the forwards have got to be more ruthless in taking their chances.
It is a mental thing as much as a physical thing. You get the impression that this Wallaby side is too conscious of all the side issues that go on during a match. You hear them yelling out all the time, for instance, trying to alert the referee to an offside or a knock-on.
You never hear McCaw doing this, though. He just thunders around the paddock with a single-minded pursuit of the ball, making his tackles, his catches, his passes and his runs. The All Blacks in general tend towards this style of silent killers.
Another type of rugby call that is getting to me comes from the two commentary teams on Channel 7 and Fox Sports.
I watched both coverages of the Test and the thing that stood out for me was the incessant second-guessing of the referee by Gordon Bray (who has become too partisan), Tim Horan and Dan Crowley of Channel 7, and Phil Kearns and Greg Martin on Fox Sports. Greg Clarke, to his credit, just called the game and left the refereeing to the referee.
As I watched with my son, we both agreed that one of the main reason why rugby supporters have become dissatisfied with rugby this season can be attributed to the woeful television commentaries. Viewers are getting an earful of the commentators bagging the laws, the game, the referee and opposition players.
No wonder viewers believe that rugby league, say, is providing a better spectacle. It is not really the better spectacle at work but much better and more positive commentary.
On neither channel, for instance, was the tension and the high skills displayed by both sides brought out. Nor was there much (any?) analysis of what was happening.
Greg Martin mentioned once that the Wallabies should have moved the ball out to an un-marked Hynes towards the end of the first half. But there was no analysis, however, on how the Wallabies had cleverly directed play to Sivivatu’s wing while he was off the field.
This was, in fact, a terrific Test match.
The play went up and down the field with attack and counter-attack. The lead changed hands a number of time. There was some searing runs and attacks and a couple of clever ensemble tries.
Before the Test I was sceptical of the Wallabies’ chances of going close to their Grand Slam. We will know this time next week whether the quest is on target. But I expect it will be. If the Wallabies can play with the toughness they displayed against what is now a very good All Blacks side, they should beat England.
This means, though, that the Wallabies have to put two strong performances together in successive Tests, which is something they’ve found impossible to do this season.
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November 2nd 2009 @ 8:31am
LeftArmSpinner said | November 2nd 2009 @ 8:31am | Report comment
Spiro, can only agree with your article, with the exceptions that:
1. Alexander had a strong game around the park and,
2. Giteau is not a 10, despite the number on his back. He had two Force colleagues with him and still didnt mount one real backline play. e.g. The 5/8 running the crash ball is not a back line play.
3. The backs are playing individually. Ioane, AAC, Hynes, Genia and O’Connor all had a go, went looking for work, (I exclude those dumb, thoughtless kicks referred to as bombs but which are really just Tom Thumbs) and we will never see the best of Giteau at 10. They are not called backs or backline for nothing!! (collective nouns and plural) Work together.
4. The lineout was an unforgiveable shambles.
5. Ring rust may have something to do with the loss of ball at the tackle. Whatever the excuse, it needs to be sorted by next tuesday!!! Oh, tomorrow!!!
Elsom made the comment: “We had the plays, we just didnt run them.”
With the current psychological scar tissue, the recovery is going to be slower. However, the NH teams are not at full strength and may provide the Wallabies with the win they so badly need.
November 2nd 2009 @ 9:31am
OldManEmu said | November 2nd 2009 @ 9:31am | Report comment
Did Elsom really say that?
A shrink would have a field day with that.
It is Monty Pythonesque – you can just see it cant you………
Scene 1 – Wallaby dressing room pre game, chief bottle washer handing out tape, water bottles, bananas – and then in comes Eric Idle with a big bucket with the lable “SELF BELIEF” – “Anyone, anyone, self belief – Rocky, you like some? Chis’, better get some of this into you, ay ay ay ay Stephen old fella, where you goin then – you need some of this. No Gits, don’t think you need any.”
Scene 2 – Wallaby dressing room post game – (1) Robbie Deans standing on a chair rambling away in non speak talking about “process” and “transitioning”. (2) AAC sitting next to Crossy – “I thought we went pretty good today ‘dog”
(3) and then in comes Eric Idle again with a big bucket with the lable “EXCUSES”.
November 3rd 2009 @ 12:54am
Mick Gold Coast QLD said | November 3rd 2009 @ 12:54am | Report comment
“in comes Eric Idle again with a big bucket with the lable “EXCUSES”.”
Nice one, Old Man Emu.
November 2nd 2009 @ 8:42am
Rob said | November 2nd 2009 @ 8:42am | Report comment
Yes Spiro the commentary of Fox is (has been for some time) patronising, inept and boring, Rod Kafer appears to be the only “analyst” of the game on the panel.
November 2nd 2009 @ 8:54am
Dean Pantio said | November 2nd 2009 @ 8:54am | Report comment
Marto is practically pig ignorant of the laws and Kearns is good for comedic relief. What really irritates me is their predilection for telling me what I can already see. I’m watching the game so rattling off names as players pass the ball is pointless and exasperating. I’m not listening to the radio.
November 2nd 2009 @ 9:21am
Knives Out said | November 2nd 2009 @ 9:21am | Report comment
I always find the Australian commentators quite humourous to listen to. Maybe it’s because I’m not used to the British commentators constantly say “Oh mate!”.
November 2nd 2009 @ 8:49am
chris, syd Aust said | November 2nd 2009 @ 8:49am | Report comment
Does anyone know how we can watch the mid-week gloucester clash on telly? Cheers
November 2nd 2009 @ 9:21am
Knives Out said | November 2nd 2009 @ 9:21am | Report comment
Try this website, JustinTV or P2P.
November 2nd 2009 @ 9:59am
chris, syd Aust said | November 2nd 2009 @ 9:59am | Report comment
ta KO – but cant see a fixture for 2mrw on cards on all the sport streaming sites i know of.
if the nz vs munster game was televised last year on fox then why not this mid-week match?
November 2nd 2009 @ 10:25am
Knives Out said | November 2nd 2009 @ 10:25am | Report comment
I’ll have a look nearer the time and if I find a link I’ll post it for you on this article, Chris.
November 2nd 2009 @ 1:01pm
chris, syd Aust said | November 2nd 2009 @ 1:01pm | Report comment
Awesome! Thanks KO… im keen to see the brumby backline fire up which should translate into confidence and tries (hopefully)
November 4th 2009 @ 4:45am
Knives Out said | November 4th 2009 @ 4:45am | Report comment
The game isn’t being televised in the UK, Chris. If you want to know what games are in future go to the Paddy Power website and check out the Rugby Union prices. If a game is being televised it will have a small TV icon to the left of the prices. If you drag the cursor over the icon then it states what channel the game is being played on. If it is a UK channel then try the net links JustinTV or p2p.
http://www.paddypower.com/bet/rugby-union
November 2nd 2009 @ 9:05am
Hoy said | November 2nd 2009 @ 9:05am | Report comment
I was watching the game with a premier grade referee. He said the All Blacks should have been penalised no end at the rucks.
This will grate with some I have no doubt, but below is my theory on the All Blacks cheating methods:
The All Blacks don’t release the tackled player. Simple as that. When our players make metres, they are tackled in gang tackles, and the All Black players don’t release him allowing him to play the ball. Their support players then pile in, and seal the ball. They were taking ball that had no business being stolen.
This used to be a very heavily monitored law in every game I played in that is for sure. It was more policed than releasing the ball. The tackler had to release first. It was the first thing the ref used to say at the tackle, “Release tackler, roll away”.
Now they don’t release the tackled player, and so he can’t release the ball. That in turn creates massive piles of bodys trying to secure the ruck area, we are currently poor at it, and so lose possession, or at best, retrieve very slow ball. Australia has long needed a bastard player, but never really more so than now. We need someone who either smashes in, or shoes people out the back and out of the way. I have long cried for a hard arse, but now I think under the current interpretations, we desperately need one.
I can’t understand why it isn’t picked up on more. Noone seems to release the tackled player anymore, except us. We are the dumb ones who still release like angels.
Now onto the rest of the game. I was wondering how Sivivatu’s tackle would be spoken of. There was no difference between it and Gits’. To me both were yellows obviously. Not much more. It would be a harsh Red.
I am not 100% convinced that Hynes scored that try. I thought he came up short.
The first All Black try was a thing of beauty. Support, good passing etc. Their second should never have happened. We had numbers, both to tackle Jane, and Smith as they received the ball, and also as Smith was running the try in. We had three blokes there and they all fell off or missed him. Pretty poor.
It was an improvement as a whole, but still a poor second half.
Gits is still no 10, still not a good one by any stretch, but London to a brick, he stays there now. That angers me no end. If Gits was to go to 12, then he shoud still be moved to 12. Now we have to put up with his poor 10 play for the whole tour. The dead truth is, our backline has had no penetration from set play since he moved to 10. We should not have to put up with him there anymore. Barnes showed what set play could do in Brisbane. That was the first set play try I have seen from the Wallabies in ages and ages. It brought a tear to my eye. Remember the days when everyone used to scheme and scheme at set plays, and they used to be the best chance of a try for the backline. At the very least a good break. I think recently they have turned into a play for field position more so than being used for their attacking potential. Especially with a 10 that is not as good as first thought.
Jus some ramblings.
November 2nd 2009 @ 9:22am
Hermin said | November 2nd 2009 @ 9:22am | Report comment
Hoy don’t you ever get bored of calling the ABs cheats
Why is it that people just cannot accept that they lost to a superior team?
I think a international ref would have a slightly better handling on the rules than a premier gade ref.
Every time the ABs win a game it’s because they cheat the ref was against the opposition blah blah blah.
It’s never that the opposition simply weren’t good enough.
November 2nd 2009 @ 9:31am
Hoy said | November 2nd 2009 @ 9:31am | Report comment
Pull the other one Hermin. I have very rarely called them cheats before.
Laws are laws, and if a premier ref sitting next to me says a bloke is offside, then he is still offside isn’t he? Are there shades of offside that might vary at international levels?
Can you deny the way the All Blacks pile into rucks? Can you deny that they seem to lie in the ruck with impunity? In just about every ruck there were All Blacks lying everywhere. What were they doing? It the past you had to try to move out of the way. Not anymore apparently.
Yes Hermin, we lost to a better team. We have lost lots to them recently. Whoopty do. Us losing doesn’t mean the All Blacks don’t cheat does it? Just cause we lost, does that mean the All Blacks automatically don’t cheat?
November 2nd 2009 @ 10:16am
reds fan said | November 2nd 2009 @ 10:16am | Report comment
Ignore them Hoy. They are simply apologists who refuse to apply any objectivity. Apparently supporters are never allowed to comment on the behaviour and tactics of the AB’s. You’ll simply be branded a cry baby (so mature!) for discussing game issues that are quite obvious to most viewers.
I posted elsewhere that we seriously need to consider how we counter this tactic. It is hard to compete against it when the ref offers no protection. And it’s not as though the ref didn’t see it… he blew quite a few penalties for the tactics they employed. At what stage do the yellows start to be produced. I believe the AB’s are happy to give away pens and will only cease once they lose a player. They also prefer to give pens outside kicking range, rather than using it as a last ditch close to line. Its a great disruption to the attacking team’s flow. Especially as we kicked for touch from the pens and then lost or bumbled most lineouts.
November 2nd 2009 @ 10:32am
Dean Pantio said | November 2nd 2009 @ 10:32am | Report comment
Funny how many Wallaby supporters manage to see cheating on behalf of the opposition after every loss…
November 2nd 2009 @ 1:23pm
Bay35Pablo said | November 2nd 2009 @ 1:23pm | Report comment
We see it when we win too, we just don’t care about it then ….
November 2nd 2009 @ 4:31pm
Hermin said | November 2nd 2009 @ 4:31pm | Report comment
Apologist my butt, your nothing but sore losers its that simple.
The wallabies are not up to standard and were shown up by a team that barely sparked all night.
November 19th 2009 @ 6:14pm
Campbell Watts said | November 19th 2009 @ 6:14pm | Report comment
Hoy the AB’s were lying everywhere in the rucks because they were hitting them, not out in the backline cluttering things up like your boys!
If your forwards were there to compete the rucks and clean out then you’d be getting more/retaining more ball! Simple as that!
November 2nd 2009 @ 9:48am
Dean Pantio said | November 2nd 2009 @ 9:48am | Report comment
Interesting post Hoy. Strange how people can watch the same footage and get completely different outcomes. This is what the All Blacks do; they tackle and either get back to their feet to attack the ball, or they attempt to turn the tackled player so that they are facing the wrong way. They will then stay there long enough to ensure that the tackled player can not turn. This permits the defending team to attack the ball. All teams do this, it’s just players from New Zealand are better at it.
In the first scenario; the tackler is already on his feet grabbing at the ball the tackled player has not yet released. Second wave support will come through and invariably as one side drivers over, players end up losing their body position.
In the second; if there is an opportunity to attack the ball at the breakdown, players will enter en masse and attempt to drive over the ball. Often this results in players who were stationary being driven into the ground by their own team-mates.
Either way, given the game no longer permits rucking, this will remain a contentious issue with all sorts of half-arsed solutions. Constructive refereeing is the answer. If a defender manages to turn the player and keep him there so that the defending team has an opportunity to contest the ball, so be it. It’s the fault of the attacking team that a player was isolated for long enough.
The concept of the tackling player having to roll away before any other action promoted the phase after phase play loved by many during the nineties. This continuity actually prevented the tenet of rugby; contest for possession of the ball.
In my opinion, this doctrine that the tackler must roll away before anything else ruins the breakdown. Prior to the prevention of rucking it was hardly, if ever, policed. If you put yourself in that position and were prepared to put up with the consequences, then you were welcome to win the ball.
All we need is for referees who can assess the breakdown quicker and make decisions accordingly.
November 2nd 2009 @ 10:11am
Hoy said | November 2nd 2009 @ 10:11am | Report comment
I do believe that a good rucking would solve all of the worlds problems. Particularly the ruck area.
At the risk of being a wanker, below are the laws on the tackler:
15.4 THE TACKLER
(a) When a player tackles an opponent and they both go to ground, the tackler must
immediately release the tackled player.
Penalty: Penalty Kick
(b) The tackler must immediately get up or move away from the tackled player and from the
ball at once.
Penalty: Penalty Kick
(c) The tackler must get up before playing the ball and then may play the ball from any
direction.
Penalty: Penalty Kick
So the tackler still must release the tackled player surely? But this is not how it is being interpreted at the moment because the ruck has now turned into a pile up with noone moving out of the way.
Australian forwards don’t have the intestinal fortitude to get people out of the way, and so they lie on our side and slow the ball down.
I konw the All Blacks are good at the ruck area, and don’t worry, I understand the laws for the tackler on his feet, and heaven knows the All Blacks have a fairly solid exponent in that play in McCaw, but that still doesn’t excuse the bloke lying down in the way.
November 2nd 2009 @ 11:26am
Dean Pantio said | November 2nd 2009 @ 11:26am | Report comment
Same as Law 15.5 (b) A tackled player must immediately pass the ball or release it.
As for the “Australian forwards don’t have the intestinal fortitude”. Nonsense. They do. Just as they infringe in exactly the same way as every other team by playing the ball on the ground, laying on the wrong side of the ruck, etc.
November 2nd 2009 @ 1:26pm
Armchair-critic said | November 2nd 2009 @ 1:26pm | Report comment
“They will then stay there long enough to ensure that the tackled player can not turn”
Which is illegal. Once you have made a tackle you must roll away
November 2nd 2009 @ 1:39pm
reds fan said | November 2nd 2009 @ 1:39pm | Report comment
Exactly.
November 2nd 2009 @ 1:42pm
Dean Pantio said | November 2nd 2009 @ 1:42pm | Report comment
Yes, just as the tackled player must release the ball. A skilled player does it as part of the the tackle. They don’t lay there for an interminable period, otherwise they would get back to their feet and play at the ball. They do it as part of a team effort. It only takes a split second for a team mate to get their hands on the ball and the deed is done.
November 2nd 2009 @ 1:55pm
Armchair-critic said | November 2nd 2009 @ 1:55pm | Report comment
It doesn’t change the fact that it is illegal
I would’ve thought if it was a concerted team effort then that is worse…
I’m not suggesting it’s only the AB’s that do this, it is an aspect of the game which a lot of teams are guilty of and it slows down attacking play which ultimately ruins the spectacle
However i did notice the ABs in Tokyo being particularly determined to slow the ball down by lying in offside positions
November 2nd 2009 @ 1:58pm
reds fan said | November 2nd 2009 @ 1:58pm | Report comment
watch out Armchair! The AB supporters will be calling you a sook and a sore loser with inflammatory comments like that.
November 2nd 2009 @ 2:04pm
Dean Pantio said | November 2nd 2009 @ 2:04pm | Report comment
Of course, just as you noticed Wallabies rolling onto the wrong side of the tackle with success?
November 2nd 2009 @ 2:08pm
Armchair-critic said | November 2nd 2009 @ 2:08pm | Report comment
No where near as often.
And i’m not one who believes in “the wallabies should’ve adapted to the referee being lenient” sort of talk.
The ref is there to do his job and he should do so properly. There is no use getting it right some of the time. They need to consistently be getting it right. The rule exists for a reason.
November 2nd 2009 @ 2:20pm
Dean Pantio said | November 2nd 2009 @ 2:20pm | Report comment
Your moral high ground is admirable, if delusional. The breakdown is difficult to ref, let alone at Test level. So much happens so quickly that a ref could easily miss an offence on one side whilst ensuring the other doesn’t infringe. All a team can ask is that the ref is consistent.
November 2nd 2009 @ 2:23pm
Rah Rah Rasputin said | November 2nd 2009 @ 2:23pm | Report comment
You would think it would be easy.
Tackler releases tacklee.
Immediately, followed by Tacklee releases ball.
Players on their feet contest the ball.
All teams try to slow down the ball to varying degrees, some are more subtle and effective then others. Its part of what made Phil Waugh and George Smith so great, especially in the 2003 WC. The ABs have now made an art of it. I just think it makes a better spectacle if the ball is contested by players on there feet.
The ruck has become a mess in recent years. Even to the point where the NH commentators complain about it. A large part of this is the number of bodies on the ground on and around the ball. The argument in support of bringing rucking back is precisely that it discouraged this from happening. I think one of the major causes for the “pile up’ is attacking teams needing to clear tacklers off the tacklee. Because of the low point of contact between these players, they inevitably go off there feet and sealing the ball off and preventing a contest for the ball. In opinion is often pot luck who gets penalised.
November 3rd 2009 @ 1:06am
wannabprop said | November 3rd 2009 @ 1:06am | Report comment
Might be too late with this, but weren’t the laws recently amended to allow the tackler to continue contesting the ball (on feet or not) until the ruck has formed? I admit to not being all that clear on it when it was introduced (seemed to happen over night, without much discussion), From what I remember, Deans was happy with the change, but as usual it’s the ABs that have adapted better.
November 19th 2009 @ 6:17pm
Campbell Watts said | November 19th 2009 @ 6:17pm | Report comment
Hoy,
Haven’t they brought in the new law recently that the tackler DOES NOT HAVE TO RELEASE THE TACKLED PLAYER??
Kind of blows your theory out of the water doesn’t it?
November 2nd 2009 @ 9:08am
MarkR said | November 2nd 2009 @ 9:08am | Report comment
Rob, agree – Kafer is a good analyst but he needs to stick to that as his rule knowledge is rubbish. I watch the Fox coverage as in Melb you have to wait till silly hours to get the replay & I have the remote in hand so I can turn up the volume when the ref is talking & turn it down the rest of the time. Kearns bias on McCaw is ridiculous, in fact his bias does him a disservice as he has the knowledge & passion to be a good commentator.
On the game, a very interesting game with both sides blowing chances, the pace was fantastic & the skills for the most part were great. I’d watched the NPC semis & the step up from provinicial to test these days is huge. Thought the Wallaby scrum did well in the 2nd half after looking like it was going to pack up & go home in the first half. Your lineout was shocking, OK Donnely competed well but what the heck happend there ?? You’ve got some very good players but Cross doesn’t help your backline. It should be interesting to see all 3 major SH teams playing the NH teams over teh next 5 or 6 weeks.
November 2nd 2009 @ 9:17am
countryboy said | November 2nd 2009 @ 9:17am | Report comment
Disagree with you Spiro on the closeness of the game. The AB’s seldom looked stretched and you always had the feeling they could have put the game away at any stage.
But I do agree with you about the commentary – Channel 7 is just abysmal, I would prefer to watch without sound. I’ve yet to hear Bray, Crowley et al give any credit to the opposing team. All they can do is crap on about this and that and the ref and the weather and blah blah blah. They are an embarresment to the game frankly.
November 2nd 2009 @ 9:36am
Chris Bell said | November 2nd 2009 @ 9:36am | Report comment
I thought NZ did not look in danger of a loss at any time. We improved on last test and did not chuck it in this time.
In the first half, I counted our first three kick-off receives, 3 of own put into scrums and 3 lineouts as lost possessions. And we were ahead on the scoreboard!
In the second half, I stopped counting at 6 turnovers at the ruck. Add our slow ball in winning rucks all game and…?
Turn say, half of those 15 handovers into our possession and the backs get work under pressure 7-8 more times at least in this game alone. Turn half the slow rucks into quick possession and…?
November 2nd 2009 @ 9:40am
kingplaymaker said | November 2nd 2009 @ 9:40am | Report comment
Spiro it’s not lack of mongrel or ability to sustain preformance for 80 minutes. It’s simply the quality of the players.
Mongrel and sustained performance derive in the long run from having a team which is good enough to beat the opposition, and so the resulting self-confidence creates those qualities, or at least allows them to develop.
The All Blacks did not win because Australia were incapable of sustaining a performance for 80 minutes, but because towards the later stages of the match the All Blacks’ overall quality asserted itself (I mean they have 15 good players, Australia about 11).
The Wallabies can play above their total collective ability for 50-60 minutes but in the end the continuous assault of a superior team will come through.
Look at the difference that adding in-form Palu and Ioane made: the presence of two more excellent players increased the Wallabies performance to the point where it was competitive. Add 3-4 more such players, and the team will be able to win.
The players are not in Australia though. The weaknesses are at 4,5, 14 and 15. That means getting Vickerman, keeping Mcmeniman, and buying in Karmichael Hunt and Israel Folau/Jarryd Hayne.
With four more really talented players the Wallabies would have high quality from 1-15, and would beat the All Blacks.
November 2nd 2009 @ 10:03am
Dean Pantio said | November 2nd 2009 @ 10:03am | Report comment
What is this fascination with buying league players/ selling the Wallaby jersey? Just because someone is good at league doesn’t make them good at rugby – they are different games.
November 2nd 2009 @ 1:26pm
Bay35Pablo said | November 2nd 2009 @ 1:26pm | Report comment
Dean, agreed. If we can’t develop our own, and need to buy them, what does that say about our structures and coaching?
November 2nd 2009 @ 2:52pm
kingplaymaker said | November 2nd 2009 @ 2:52pm | Report comment
It says nothing about structures and coaching, it says that you don’t have enough players in rugby union.
If the game were to grow just a little, to get those few extra players, then it would be fine.
One or two league players are a stop gap until that happens.
November 3rd 2009 @ 12:22am
Mick Gold Coast QLD said | November 3rd 2009 @ 12:22am | Report comment
“One or two league players are a stop gap until that happens.”
Oh, just like the marvellous new player development during the Medicare Mat / Lot$a Tuqiri era?
The one with the village idiot loon grin didn’t deign to play club because they were “nothing games”, so anything of value he may have had to assist develop lesser beings didn’t get passed on.
The boys at West Harbour told me early in the piece that Lot$a was a regular at first, but I do not think that lasted. Then it evolved that Wallabies rarely played Club rugby.
Nah – nothing against League (used play it on Sundays to have a bludge from trundling from ruck to lineout to scrum on Saturdays) but the money needed to pay big names gets diverted from Club and Junior development, and all the Wallabies (until Deans released them in ’09) have been too busy counting their money to have time to assist lower down the food chain in any capacity.
November 2nd 2009 @ 9:47am
Hoy said | November 2nd 2009 @ 9:47am | Report comment
Another thing:
When we get the ball kicked to the winger, don’t pass the ball to centre field to Rocky Elsom.
November 2nd 2009 @ 10:12am
Gordon said | November 2nd 2009 @ 10:12am | Report comment
..another Test match, another loss…the Wallabies are in a real mental rut now…but I do believe in part the loss this time was contributed to by the fact that none of these guys had played a match for six weeks. Training drills will not replace the match hardened fitness that the Kiwis took into that Test, with many/most of them having played NPC over the past month.
Wallabies seemed to run out of steam…