It’s 1976 and I’m 14. It’s the last year that I am eligible for a junior membership, which, at that time, for the princely sum of $1.50, allowed you entry to all 22 VFL games of your chosen club (in my case, that was, and is, Footscray).
It’s an okay year for the Scraggers, relatively speaking, and history shows that we scraped into the top 5 after managing a draw in our final game against the top team, Carlton.
But we only won ten games for the year, meaning I had to endure eleven agonising defeats along the way – as I said, relatively successful for the Scraggers!
That season included four trips out to Waverley, and to get there from Footscray by public transport, it was definitely a case of taking a cut lunch, plus a cut dinner for the journey back.
I have a very clear memory of taking on Fitzroy out at Waverley during the season.
They were as unfashionable then as they were for most of the previous century, and took the wooden spoon that season.
Thus it was no surprise that only 7,000 hardy souls turned out to see this fixture on a bitterly cold, windswept day – and the quality of the footy was very reflective of the climatic conditions.
Perversely, it was such a forgettable game that it has left a lasting impression on me. Footscray won the game 4:11:35 to 3:16:34, and as you can see, it was quite a low scoring game.
But here’s the rub: Footscray scored a goal against the wind in the opening 20 seconds of play, and scored the winning goal after the final siren sounded, meaning we effectively only scored two goals in 2 hours of play!
As the clock ticked on towards the 30 minute mark of the last quarter, it really did look like we weren’t going to get that goal, so we started making the long walk around the non-members side to the exit, keeping an eye on whether we were within coo-ee of our own goals.
I can’t remember how exactly, but the next thing we knew, Alan Stoneham had taken a mark on the boundary, directly in front of us, where we were standing above the staircase that would take us down into the bowels of Waverley.
The siren went and we just looked at each other, we didn’t have to say a word: after all that, we’re not going to win this are we?
These were the days before the banana became de rigueur, so Stoneham went straight back, and with no angle to speak of, executed the perfect drop punt that split the sticks.
I can remember our reaction, we didn’t cheer, or jump up, or anything like that – we just laughed out loud, and laughed and laughed and laughed – running out of the stadium to jump on the first bus out of Waverley.
On the bus, we ran into those Footscray supporters who hadn’t hung around.
So disgusted were they, that when we told them we had actually won, absolutely none of them were happy: “didn’t deserve to win”; “they were bloody hopeless, every one of ‘em!”
The train trip from Waverley back to the city was always a long and boring one, but occasionally the footy fans on board from either side would provide some light relief.
On this occasion, there was a bloke from Sydney sitting directly opposite us and he had just been to the game.
He started to talk about rugby league, and how it was a much better game, as we looked at him blankly.
A couple of rows back, a drunk German bloke started to shout out strange words, like: “zie fuhrer!!”
We had no idea what he was talking about, but strangely enough, he was making more sense than this bloke from Sydney.
With all this going on around me, my only thought was: f@rk, I hate coming out to Waverley to watch the footy.
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November 4th 2009 @ 11:16am
captain nemo said | November 4th 2009 @ 11:16am | Report comment
November 4th 2009 @ 11:29am
Pippinu said | November 4th 2009 @ 11:29am | Report comment
capt nemo
don’t be shy – you’re amongst friends – get it off your chest!!
November 4th 2009 @ 11:31am
oikee said | November 4th 2009 @ 11:31am | Report comment
Understand Pip, but my post was about it being a perfect world.
All codes, living in harmony. Wishful thinking.
November 4th 2009 @ 11:34am
Pippinu said | November 4th 2009 @ 11:34am | Report comment
Oikee
“live there in a heartbeat. ”
Is that an allusion to that old English cop show?
November 4th 2009 @ 11:48am
oikee said | November 4th 2009 @ 11:48am | Report comment
You nailed it Pip,
Heartbeat country, Creatures great and small.
November 4th 2009 @ 11:55am
Pippinu said | November 4th 2009 @ 11:55am | Report comment
Both terrific shows – although I haven’t seen Heartbeat on TV for at least 10 years.
November 4th 2009 @ 11:42am
Pippinu said | November 4th 2009 @ 11:42am | Report comment
The interesting thing about people getting uptight about whatever is happening in the other codes is thtat we don’t react the same way to whatever is happening in hockey, or lacrosse or korfball.
For instance, was anyone getting uptight when lacrosse and korfball was first introduced to Australia?
Was anyone accusing Canada and Holland of harbouring imperialist intentions on Australia?
So now Australia, spends a tiny amount of money and effort – and folks it’s absolutely tiny – in places like Sth Africa, PNG and New Zealand – and all hell breaks loose.
But if the Koninklijk Nederlands Korfbalverbond tries to introduce korfball into PNG – I doubt any of us would have anything to say about it.
So what really, truly is at the heart of the code wars?
November 4th 2009 @ 11:53am
oikee said | November 4th 2009 @ 11:53am | Report comment
Just on that point Pip, i would like to say one thing, could all you people who love the action packed sport of Golf, yes golf, a recreational sport if ever there was one, could all you followerers of this exciting sport please go waste your time following Hockey, much better spectator sport.
Or in Pips case, give Korfball a go. cheers.
November 4th 2009 @ 11:58am
Pippinu said | November 4th 2009 @ 11:58am | Report comment
Speaking of Hockey, ever since Australia lost the gold medal play off to NZ in 1976 (our last chance for gold, putting us many positions behind NZ on the medal tally that year) – most of us have followed both Australian hockey teams in each successive Olympics.
In fact, I also went to see quite a few games when Melbourne hosted the world championships around 1983 – all very enjoyable.
But for whatever reason – we don’t cling to hockey in big numbers as we do with the football codes.
If we could understand that – it would go a long way to understanding the code wars better.
November 4th 2009 @ 12:05pm
oikee said | November 4th 2009 @ 12:05pm | Report comment
Mate, i was watching the womens world championship hockey not long ago, thouroughly enjoyed it,. Yes, hockey, the silent acheiver yet to be found by the masses. By no means boring, unlike golf, shuu shuu, hes teeing off, be quite, now put up the cheer plaque, he hit a ball on the freeway, ? where is it, is it on the road, no the freeway you idiot, now walk down and follow the players and watch them sink that little ball into that little hole, every now and then they sink a lucky one. ?
Just watch the 2 minute replays on fox you time wasting tits.
November 4th 2009 @ 12:11pm
Art Sapphire said | November 4th 2009 @ 12:11pm | Report comment
Because hockey is a stupid game, your feet always get in the way.
I don’t know how that helps with understanding code wars any better.
All I can say is Waverley Park was what you Catholics must think purgatory is like.
I am so grateful they shut it down
Going to the 2nd Circle of Hell that was Victoria park was more fun.
November 4th 2009 @ 12:36pm
Michael C said | November 4th 2009 @ 12:36pm | Report comment
you’re right…hockey is a bit of a stupid game…..
and they don’t make left handed sticks…
and it’s just too much like soccer with sticks.
November 4th 2009 @ 12:44pm
Pippinu said | November 4th 2009 @ 12:44pm | Report comment
“your feet always get in the way”
Art
you might be on to something there!
November 4th 2009 @ 12:47pm
Art Sapphire said | November 4th 2009 @ 12:47pm | Report comment
Anyone playing hockey should do so legless. Guaranteed to improve your game
November 4th 2009 @ 12:02pm
captain nemo said | November 4th 2009 @ 12:02pm | Report comment
Pip, regarding South Arica, it is more the way Aussie Rules has gone about it. As Steve from South Africa said, to go to his country and hand out food/ T-shirts and then sign them up to play oz kick and use the “we have 17000 oz kick players” in SA as a marketing tool is crook mate. In fact it stinks and i dislike that the name Australia is attached to it. Steve from SA claims to work with these people and he believes it stinks. problem is that when VICs go to a place that has never heard of AFL, they do not know how to modify their approach because they have been raised in a world where AFL is a religion, talked about 24/7. As you have said pip, “SA should finally get the chance to kick a footy”, comes across as arrogant mate, really arrogant. In their eyes they already can kick a football or a rugby ball. I do not get that impression from the Lacrosse community. If they came to Oz claiming you can finally hit a ball, our response would be we already have cricket, hockey, tennis, golf etc etc. aussies raised in Brisbane and Sydney have been raised where we follow a number of sports at once so can take a step back see what is going on, in VIC, AFL is so huge, so all consuming, so dominate and community are so fanatical, they find it hard to step back an smell the roses. This is obvious in SA
November 4th 2009 @ 12:09pm
Redb said | November 4th 2009 @ 12:09pm | Report comment
actually, he didnt say that. Steve said IF that is the case!
Armstrong has has been involved with AFL and South Africa provides actual insight.
November 4th 2009 @ 12:09pm
AndyRoo said | November 4th 2009 @ 12:09pm | Report comment
Well I wonder if when the Korfball people started up in Australia they were all “this is going to blow you ozzies away”
it’s just that no one heard them.
November 4th 2009 @ 12:22pm
Pippinu said | November 4th 2009 @ 12:22pm | Report comment
capt Nemo
Another poster came on, who is actually involved in Footy Wild in SA with a different perspective – you should go back and read it.
Now honestly – does anyone out there honestly believe the AFL would be so morally bankrupt as to hand out food parcels in exchange for people’s names on a list?
November 4th 2009 @ 12:34pm
captain nemo said | November 4th 2009 @ 12:34pm | Report comment
pip, if it looks like, smells like, feels like and tastes like unowhat, then it probably is unowhat. I can’t remember whether it was you, MC or Red who said that the 2nd coming of christ to VIc would play second string to the AFL. Also one of you guys said in a post once that when they are in Sydney it feels like they are not in Australia because of the lack of footy posts. yes pip, regarding food parcels for a name, its been done in the third world by religious groups since time begun, wouldn’t surprise me at all.
November 4th 2009 @ 12:38pm
Pippinu said | November 4th 2009 @ 12:38pm | Report comment
Yes – I have used that line about the 2nd coming, and Sydney feeling foreign because of the lack of quadruple posts.
But it’s a big jump from that to what people are suggesting about the work being done in some very small parts of SA – once again – read the post from the bloke who is actually involved in Footy Wild in SA.
November 4th 2009 @ 12:23pm
Pippinu said | November 4th 2009 @ 12:23pm | Report comment
You don’t hit a ball in Lacrosse.
November 4th 2009 @ 12:28pm
captain nemo said | November 4th 2009 @ 12:28pm | Report comment
my appologies pip, you learn something new everyday!!! please change the word lacrosse in my post to tiddly winks.
November 4th 2009 @ 12:40pm
Pippinu said | November 4th 2009 @ 12:40pm | Report comment
I used to own the Donald Duck Tiddlywinks game – I came quite adept at putting the wink into the cup.
November 4th 2009 @ 12:30pm
JiMMM said | November 4th 2009 @ 12:30pm | Report comment
“So what really, truly is at the heart of the code wars?”
That my sport is best and that everyone who follows another sport is a bogan who can barely wipe thier own arse let alone think decently about a sport.
To put it in a not so volitile manner it is in part an attempt to create parochialism about not only a club / franchise but about a competition (reds under the bed syndrome). You will notice that Rugby League is never out to get the VFL, SANFL, QAFL but only the AFL. That Aussie Rules is only after NRL teams heartlands (if it’s not metropolitan Sydney it’s not a real place attitude). This attempt is worded in such a way that it might seem like someone is after your club, but it is always the competition adminsitrators and journo’s who make a living off thier competition who are pushing the code war.
The other minor part is a code war is a way of combining all of the codes supporters against a common foe as you would normally in an international competition. Aussie Rules for obvious reasons, Rugby League an interstate competition (State of Origin) is considered the pincale of the game and not the internationals. Union and League have been brawling for more than 100 years now but you rarely hear of a code war between union and the AFL or soccer, and most soccer supporters have a massive chip on thier shoulders regarding the status of thier code in Aus so will look for a brawl with any code that might look at them sideways.
So in closing I quite enjoyed your article Pip and found it enlightening, and of course to mention that the reason that people don’t complain about Hockey is that we all know it is the best sport in the world and that anyone who doesn’t think so is a bogan who can’t wipe thier own arse let alone think properly about a sport.
November 4th 2009 @ 12:36pm
Pippinu said | November 4th 2009 @ 12:36pm | Report comment
JiMMM
very well put – good post!
I especially liked this line: “is a bogan who can barely wipe thier own arse”
November 4th 2009 @ 12:37pm
Redb said | November 4th 2009 @ 12:37pm | Report comment
Captain Nemo?
November 4th 2009 @ 12:37pm
oikee said | November 4th 2009 @ 12:37pm | Report comment
Pleased to see you give Hockey a wrap there Jimmm. Nothing wrong with Hockey 1 hockey 2 hockey 3.
November 4th 2009 @ 12:59pm
JiMMM said | November 4th 2009 @ 12:59pm | Report comment
Thanks
I do try to sneek a wrap into most posts I make (given I play, umpire and administrate the sport), oh and for everyone’s reference due to the financial crisis “Hockey 2″ and “Hockey 3″ have been let go and are no longer involved in the game
November 4th 2009 @ 12:21pm
oikee said | November 4th 2009 @ 12:21pm | Report comment
Thats why i mentioned digging a big hole in my 1st post, AFL followers will be looking at the recruitment of one or 2 countries and be thinking, we are expanding ever further into the world. On the other hand, everyone plays soccer around the world, and at least rugby league recruits the already migrated Sudanise, (yes like AFL does) and gets them up to speed without saying, we dragged him “out of Africa” so he could enjoy our wonderful game.
Digging the hole, looking from the outside and being able to understand the way things work, the opportunities for kids, afl would be the last code i would join, but most kids nth of Melbourne realise this, its just AFL that thinks its lost player numbers and can grow the code to the same size of Melbounre, ? So who is going to build a 80 100 thousand stadium for this massive following.
To be honest, nobody. The sport will grow to around what it is now, not much larger, with a slight decrease over time as other codes set up shop and introduce opportunities for kids in other staes, thats reality. And is pretty much why AFL is going north, they know the other codes are about to take off down south, new stadium for league, union , soccer Melbounre, and not long before we wake-up the other 2 states.
I repeat, their is no international rules, their is no second comp, even if they started now, it would take at least 20 years to get it up to scratch, but you have 2 extra clubs here in oz to support, international rules has stalled, maybe change your name to international rules. IR, now where have i heard that before.
November 4th 2009 @ 12:26pm
Redb said | November 4th 2009 @ 12:26pm | Report comment
Drivel.
November 4th 2009 @ 3:41pm
AndyRoo said | November 4th 2009 @ 3:41pm | Report comment
He has to get his best shots in now because this is The last word on the code wars
November 4th 2009 @ 12:28pm
oikee said | November 4th 2009 @ 12:28pm | Report comment
Andyroo, thats a absolute classic, a panther in a nappy, no way, i have now gone to change my nappy, i think i just wet it.
Interesting, very, will be sending all comments straight to league headquaters, very amusing.:)
November 4th 2009 @ 12:39pm
Midfielder said | November 4th 2009 @ 12:39pm | Report comment
Pip & Oikee
Never under estimate how the AFL could expand overseas if they choose the right place… to venture into establised markets like PNG / NZ / SA / Europe … it’s at the fringe and those players who cannot make other teams..
If AFL is realy series about AFL expansion overseas it needs to invest in Asian … otherwise it will never reach the potential it has….
Must be damm hard but for the AFL board… to pick the right place invest the funds in an area thery have little media support and no relationships with governments… But I guess that is there challenge … the easy answer is it’s too hard …
You cannot have your cake and eat it too… small local competitions from already sports fixed countries will offer little.. either spend the dosh to make it work or say we cannot make it without media and governemnt support so we won’t try…
IMO AFL has at best a 20 year window but needs to act sooner rather than latter … because Football / RU & RL to are all planning expansions to their international programs… in 20 to 30 years the sporting landscape will be a lot different to today and having international teams will be important…
November 4th 2009 @ 12:51pm
Redb said | November 4th 2009 @ 12:51pm | Report comment
Mid,
I dont agree with Asia at all as the first stop for AFL The biggest problem is the lack of suitable grounds, very few ovals in Asia. Also think the body type is not ideal given generally shorter stature.
Also doubt your 20 year window – the main thing the AFL has to concentrate on is bedding down new NSW and QLD teams, international aspect is perhaps 5-10% of development.
International recruitment is far more important than international expansion and more realistic, even then still only of some importance in the scheme of things.
What the other football codes do is their business – your post contains a subtle threat that once given a foothold the other codes will run over the top. Been reading Oikees posts too much. hehehe
.
Redb
November 4th 2009 @ 3:18pm
Midfielder said | November 4th 2009 @ 3:18pm | Report comment
Redb
You miss read my tho’s my post was nothing to do with who is best or worst… I also maintain that right now Asia has not t fixed and and all powerful code… Football would be the most advanced by not like in Europe or South Amercia… Baseball, Basketball, Cricket, Football, RU … are all setting themselves up as a sport to watch the middle class is growing and still young thus new habits are being established… within 20 years if you are not building today it will be hard to break in, but right now it is open for anyone..
Maybe this sounds a little sour … but in countries that sports are already established you will get very few great players as the best will be playing the established codes …
November 4th 2009 @ 3:21pm
Pippinu said | November 4th 2009 @ 3:21pm | Report comment
Mid
but aussie rules is an easier game and requires less skill – so we can deliberately target all the uncos of the world!
November 4th 2009 @ 12:47pm
Pippinu said | November 4th 2009 @ 12:47pm | Report comment
It was slow to get going, but some wonderful comments are now coming – and they are all being put up in the spirit of brotherhood, peace and harmony – it’s bringing a tear to my eye.
November 4th 2009 @ 1:42pm
bever fever said | November 4th 2009 @ 1:42pm | Report comment
The real question is .. why did your parents let you go to waverly at 14. (attempt at humour)
Quite common back then , but gee generally parents keep a closer eye on their kids these days.
I was roughly the same age as you in 76 and i know we would just take off for the day and parents never seemed to worry to much.
November 4th 2009 @ 2:05pm
AndyRoo said | November 4th 2009 @ 2:05pm | Report comment
I spent large chunks of my childhood playing games and hanging around in the street. We would also jump the fence to get into the local high school on a weekend to use there football pitch or basketball court, and would run around playing hide and seek amongst the school buildings occasionally climbing on the roofs.
Nowadays I would have a juvenile record for tresspassing and be described as engaging in gang related behavior.
I would also step outside the front fence at around 9:00 am and return around 7 pm with no mobile phone for emergencies!!!
November 4th 2009 @ 2:09pm
Matt S said | November 4th 2009 @ 2:09pm | Report comment
We’ve had Nigerians, Congalese, Ivory Coast, Zimbabweans, Moroccans, Tunisians and Black South Africans already play league at high levels in France & UK in rugby league. I hear the Brisbane Broncos have a Sudanese and Zimbabwean (Gideon Zembe) on their books.
And don’t forget the NRL has had a Nigerian Prince grace the top level. Who could forget Martin ‘Chariots’ Offiah. He also played in England and scored more than 500 tries in his career!
Can’t wait to see one of the African refugee boys grace top level league here in Oz because there’s nothing better than seeing an athletic player in full flight (without having to bounce a ball).
November 4th 2009 @ 2:40pm
M1tch said | November 4th 2009 @ 2:40pm | Report comment
French Rugby League was slammed by the richies in France because it embraced black players.
November 4th 2009 @ 2:51pm
oikee said | November 4th 2009 @ 2:51pm | Report comment
Mate, i am tearing up here, yes totally forgot abot “Chariots of fire” what a gem he was, and yes someone mentioned all the Nth Africans in the French league, think it was our little mate Mitch below.
Now hold on, at least we did not go over to their country and give them gifts and told them we are going to “let their people go” Ten commandments.
NO, their are no slaves in rugby league, we are a family that just wants your country to be as good as they can be, we will, Unite Lebenon. Cheers.
November 4th 2009 @ 3:20pm
Michael C said | November 4th 2009 @ 3:20pm | Report comment
“there’s nothing better than seeing an athletic player in full flight (without having to bounce a ball).”
Olympics track events.
anyone can run in a straight line and fall down at the end……full flight my foot!!!
November 5th 2009 @ 7:01am
Redb said | November 5th 2009 @ 7:01am | Report comment
take five steps and then get jumped on by 3 gorillas.
November 4th 2009 @ 2:56pm
oikee said | November 4th 2009 @ 2:56pm | Report comment
Hey Matt, what about those poor Nigerians down in Melbourne, “no, no, no, i dont want to play this aussie rule game, i want to immulate my Prince, Prince Martini Offy-eye-ya, he played the greatest game, rugby league. Let our people go, let us move to the promised lands of QLD, and New south Wales”.. Arrggghhh..!!!!