It’s Game On for NH v SH rugby bragging rights
By Spiro Zavos, 5 Nov 2009 Spiro Zavos is a Roar Expert
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On Saturday night, the Wallabies play England and the All Blacks play Wales, two intriguing Tests that have their origins back in the 1900s when New Zealand (1905), South Afrrica (1906) and Australia (1908) made their first tours of what was then, and even now unfortunately, called the Home Unions.
I say ‘unfortunately’ because this title of the Home Unions denotes a sort of proprietary and benevolent control over the rugby game, which the unions concerned, England, Scotland, Ireland and Wales, have not honoured.
Wales (the exception) in several different decades of the the last 100 years, Scotland in the 1920s, Ireland in the late 1940s and again in the last couple of years, and England between 2001 and 2003, fielded national teams that graced the rugby fields with their expansive, skillful rugby.
But most of the time their rugby has been what the veteran British rugby journalist, John Hopkins, described Gloucester’s play as being going down to the Wallabies last night: “Honest endeavoiur, plodding play and a lack of skill.”
Much the same sort of comment could have been made about Gloucester when they played the then Rabbits who later on the tour became the Wallabies in the first match of the 1908 Australian tour of the United Kingdom.
Aside from the Southern Hemisphere powers leading the way for rugby on the field (with 5 wins out of 6 in the Rugby World Cup tournament), they have also pioneered virtually every improvement in the game off the field.
In 1895, the Rugby Football Union (the English union) expelled the strong rugby counties of Lancashire and Yorkshire from the RFU because they wanted to pay their players, who were mainly miners, compensation for rugby injuries.
This injustice to the players led directly to the creation of the rugby league code, and destroyed rugby union’s strong chance of becoming the world football game.
It was the NSWRU in 1995 with its unilateral declaration that as far as it was concerned rugby was now a professional game that prompted the IRB to redress the 1895 decision and allow rugby union to become a dynamic world sport with a place (with Sevens Rugby) in the Olympics.
Many readers of The Roar with Northern Hemisphere allegiances get quite angry with me when I bring up all this history before the Spring Tours of the Southern Hemisphere rugby powers.
But there is a reason for continually re-stating this history.
The sad fact is that the reluctance of the Northern Hemisphere powers to embrace needed reforms in the laws and the way rugby is played has had a recent manifestation in the rejection of the IRB’s carefully designed and trialled experimental law variations (the ELVs).
It is up to the Northern Hemisphere teams in the coming Tests with their Southern Hemisphere rivals to demonstrate that at the Test level, the lack of the full ELVs regime is no impediment to them playing modern, attacking, skillful and successful rugby.
Mick Cleary, the experienced rugby writer for the (UK) Daily Telegraph, has stated in a recent article that it is time for the “European nations to front up.”
For Wales and Ireland, teams that are full of players who did well on the British and Irish Lions tour of South Africa, “there are no get out clauses.”
Cleary insists that “anything less than a clean sweep of victories would rate as a disappointment” for Wales and Ireland. Wales has three coaches who were involved in the Lions tour and there should be “some spin-off” from this.
As for Ireland, they are the Grand Slam Six Nations title holders, something that was last achieved by Ireland (in a Five Nations tournament) 61 years ago when the great five-eighths Jackie Kyle was at his mesmeric best. According to Cleary, Ireland “can’t afford to lapse now” if they want to be genuine contenders for the 2011 Rugby World Cup.
For England, Cleary insists that anything less than two victories out of the Tests against Australia, Argentina and New Zealand is unacceptable for their coach Martin Johnson. His position must be under threat if England, with its huge reservoir of players, can’t achieve a two-out-of-three result.
Cleary just accepts that Scotland, which wields far too much power within the IRB in my opinion, will probably lose all its matches to the touring sides.
England are greatly strengthened by the return of Jonny Wilkinson.
Wilkinson, like Morne Steyn for the Bulls (again in the Currie Cup final against the Cheetahs) and the Springboks, has the skills and the rugby nous of taking points, either through penalties, dropped goals and the occasional try, virtually every time his team is within goal-kicking distance of the opposition posts.
It was Wilkinson who turned around England’s fortunes in the 2007 Rugby World Cup.
The side was thrashed by South Africa in the pool round, when Wilkinson was out injured. When the champion returned, he kicked (literally) Australia out of the quarter-finals, France out of the semi-finals and then kept England in the tight final against against South Africa.
If Wilkinson is on his game, England have a chance against the Wallabies on Saturday. Hopefully, Robbie Deans will devise tactics to place the utmost pressure on England’s best player.
As for Wales against New Zealand, the All Blacks have not lost in Europe, aside from the quarter-final in the 2007 World Cup, since 2002. They haven’t lost to Wales since 1953.
There are two ways of looking at this run of wins. It has to come to an end, perhaps sooner rather than later? Or, the victories over Wales have become self-fulfilling prophecies for the All Blacks which are liable to continue for years to come.
My guess is (and a guess is a less confident assessment that a prediction) that Australia will defeat England on Saturday and then Ireland the week later. And the All Blacks will beat Wales and then England two weeks later.
If these results come through, then the bragging rights for yet another year will go once again to the Southern Hemisphere rugby powers. And sooner rather than later, these bragging rights will surely turn into real rights for the Southern Hemisphere in deciding the future course of the world rugby game, on and off the field.
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November 5th 2009 @ 7:42am
Viscount Crouchback said | November 5th 2009 @ 7:42am | Report comment
Spiro, this persistent colonial chippiness of yours is frightfully dull. Move on, old scout.
November 5th 2009 @ 7:45am
Rickety Knees said | November 5th 2009 @ 7:45am | Report comment
Great article Spiro!
November 5th 2009 @ 8:04am
Firestarter Bob said | November 5th 2009 @ 8:04am | Report comment
Huh Spiro??
“It was the NSWRU in 1995 with its unilateral declaration that as far as it was concerned rugby was now a professional game that prompted the IRB to redress the 1895 decision and allow rugby union to become a dynamic world sport with a place (with Sevens Rugby) in the Olympics.”
“IRB to redress the 1895 decision”.
So the rugby divide is no more?
All is forgiven, please come home.
November 5th 2009 @ 8:06am
stuff happens said | November 5th 2009 @ 8:06am | Report comment
As someone who’s lived in Australia for many years I find Spiro’s article embarrassing. Cultural cringe is still alive and well with some Australians, although thankfully they are a dying race. Exactly what disadvantages the SH nations have because of the NH has never been clear to me.I mean what’s the problem? Twickenham & Cardiff will be packed with hoarse spectators loving the occasion and willing their teams to win.Good natured banter before and after the games in the car parks and pubs.TV audiences in millions. I mean hellooo! It doesn’t get too much better than this – even for a Welshman, and we, disgracefully, have not managed to beat the All Blacks since 1953! Maybe as Neil says it’s about power & money being ‘over there’.Well,you’d think Spiro would be used to it by now.Sad
All together now:’Land of hope and glory’…..
November 5th 2009 @ 8:27am
Viscount Crouchback said | November 5th 2009 @ 8:27am | Report comment
Jolly well said.
November 5th 2009 @ 8:29am
Pippinu said | November 5th 2009 @ 8:29am | Report comment
I dont’ think you have used the expression “cultural cringe” in its proper context.
November 5th 2009 @ 8:09am
pothale said | November 5th 2009 @ 8:09am | Report comment
The term Home Union derives from the term Home Nations which describes the four nations of the UK – England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. Historically, it used to describe the whole island of Ireland when England controlled Ireland before it gained its independence in 1920.
Contrary to Spiro’s interpretation that it confers some sort of proprietary and benevolent hold over rugby, it in fact is a derived political term that confers a proprietary and benevolent hold over countries, including now a foreign one – Ireland. It’s antiquated and inaccurate, so Spiro might lead by example in dropping it from his vernacular – though Viscount might object.
(It’s a bit like referring to the Northern Hemisphere as if it was only populated and guided by British writers and the RFU or using the UK to refer to Ireland and Great Britain and its various teams, players and unions as a lot of Australasian writers and commentators do.)
Talking of British writers, I wonder does the ‘veteran British rugby journalist, John Hopkins’ that Spiro refers to, fall into the category of ‘senior British rugby writers’? If so, we probably shouldn’t take what he says too seriously since Hopkins is likely to be part of the S. Jones-led cabal who brought down the ELVs as Spiro has claimed repeatedly. Hopkins said that Gloucester’s play in comparison to Australia was “honest endeavoiur, plodding play and a lack of skill.”
Spiro believes this description applies to British and Irish rugby ‘most of the time’.
If one sets aside the natural response that using a second-string, third from bottom, premiership team as a metaphor and exemplar for NH rugby is a bit sneaky and weak, one can understand how it was seized upon as useful grist to the Zavos mill in advancing his argument.
Though I suspect Hopkins might be a man after Spiro’s own heart as he went on to write in his match report on the Gloucester v Australia match that : “What was immediately evident and became more so the longer the game went on was that the Australia XV were full of running, inventive, quick and superb at the breakdown. Though at times the visiting team looked out of touch, time and again a Gloucester player lumbered into the contact area to be met by two Australians who robbed him of the ball and recycled it in the blinking of an eye.”
Clearly no ELV problems at the breakdown area for Australia then.
I would have thought that Spiro would surely have mentioned or quoted this high praise from a senior rugby writer until I realised it would not serve the purpose of the article he was writing, and its sub-agenda that the full-ELvs have not been implemented, and implicitly, the game is poorer purely as a result of NH/British meddling. As it has been since 1895, when the RFU accidentally created rugby league in a fit of pique about money.
I suspect many rugby fans in Australia must have mini-shrines built to the RFU for their interfering with Lancashire and Yorkshire miners (if you’ll pardon the expression) and thus creating their wonderful game that is rugby league – and a hugely more popular game in Australia than the one played by the languishing Wallabies. Much like many Irish homes had a picture of JFK next to the picture of the Pope over their fireplace in the sixties and seventies, I suspect Australian league fans probably have little pics of the RFU crest nestling on their hairy chests as they go to bed at night, mumbling their prayers and thanking the heavens for the 13-man game from the English union. (I can’t even begin to think what the men do.)
A final thought – if by the slightest chance the plodding Irish and British rugby teams win any of their games against the superior, exciting and expansive play of the teams from the Southern Hemisphere rugby powers (though I note only Australia and New Zealand are referenced in this context) – what will Spiro say then?
I fear the worst.
Prepare to batten down the hatches.
November 5th 2009 @ 8:14am
Knives Out said | November 5th 2009 @ 8:14am | Report comment
Oh that’s very good. Very good indeed. Just one point – I suspect that Spiro references this fellow Hopkins because he himself did not actually partake in the viewing of the aforementioned game of rugby union. Imagine that? Next he’ll be telling us that Australia played what was in front of them. Both events would definitely be unusual.
November 5th 2009 @ 8:25am
Viscount Crouchback said | November 5th 2009 @ 8:25am | Report comment
What on earth are you jabbering on about, Pothale? It has nothing to do with politics – only a Celt of the classically chippy variety could possibly think such a thing. The Home Unions is a perfectly straightforward term used to express the fact that rugger originated in our islands. Britain and Ireland is the “Home” of rugger. This will remain true regardless of how many cups the Home Nations do (or do not) win. Indeed, it is precisely this immutable historical fact which so gets the goat of colonial writers like Spiro, since they know very well that history will always taunt them.
November 5th 2009 @ 8:38am
pothale said | November 5th 2009 @ 8:38am | Report comment
VC – I did add the rider that ‘Viscount might object’.
The term Home in my view is a classic British piece of terminology that’s been used in political, geopolitical and latterly sporting environments and has been since the 12th century. I’m sure you’re aware that sport and politics have heavily borrowed from each other’s lexicons over the decades.
Home Counties,Home Nations, Home Rule, Home Unions, Home Countries, etc, etc.
No need for apoplexy, old chap, as you might say yourself.
November 5th 2009 @ 9:03am
Viscount Crouchback said | November 5th 2009 @ 9:03am | Report comment
Classically British? By jove, what horror! Batten down the hatches and shut one’s children’s ears to such insidious “British terminology”! Really, what piffle. It is perfectlly natural for a person from our islands to refer to them as “Home” since, well, they are home for us. Equally, our islands are also home to rugger and soccer. No amount of trendy, post-modern, Anglophobic revisionism can change these facts.
Furthermore, one should note that the chaps at the IRFU are perfectly delighted to operate under the Home Nations umbrella. A dear friend of the Crouchback family was one Dan Daly – heard the name? – and he held no truck with the type of silly nonsense espoused by you. Most genuine Irish rugger types cherish their links to the other Home Unions. Witness the IRFU’s desire to invite England to open the new Lansdowne Road (albeit sadly the RFU could not accept) and witness Blackrock College’s decision to invite a few English schools along to their big anniversary celebrations last week.
I understand your tendency to harp on differences, Pothale, but I think it inappropriate in a rugger context. The sport of rugby has always emphasised what our islands have in common; not what divides us.
November 5th 2009 @ 9:25am
pothale said | November 5th 2009 @ 9:25am | Report comment
VC – I take the sentiment expressed in your last para and agree with it absolutely.
And I agree on the opening Test match for the new Lansdowne Road – only one team should have been invited to open it – the same one that said ‘well at least we turned up’ – a phrase that has always resonated with me and affirmed what is so good about English values and sportsmanship. A date should have been found to accommodate England.
If I tend to ‘harp on differences’, as you put it, then it’s done with the best intentions. However, I’ll retract the comment about suggesting the term Home Unions be dropped – you’re right about its unifying purpose in rugby.
November 5th 2009 @ 10:03am
Viscount Crouchback said | November 5th 2009 @ 10:03am | Report comment
Superb stuff, old bean.
P.S. I completely absolve the IRFU (and, in truth, the RFU) over the Lansdowne opening. The IRFU was super keen to invite England for precisely the reason you mention – at least we turn up – but it became a logistical mess: the English have played so many Autumn matches in recent years that the clubs were not prepared to countenance an extra match next time around. An RFU acceptance would have led to WWIII and the very real possibility of turning up to play the fixture with Championship players. Not ideal for such a momentous occasion. The RFU therefore had to (very) reluctantly decline the invitation. A pity, but the World Champions will be worthy guests and I’m sure we’ll witness a cracker.
November 5th 2009 @ 11:03am
pothale said | November 5th 2009 @ 11:03am | Report comment
Something tells me that when England walk onto Lansdowne Road in 2011 for their 6 Nations match, there’ll be something special.
Interesting story in the Telegraph from last year about John Pullin, the captain on the day, who received from former Irish players a piece of crystal with his famous words inscribed on it after the inaugural Croker match.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/kevinpietersen/3703094/Kevin-Pietersen-prepares-for-his-finest-hour.html
November 5th 2009 @ 10:52am
PastHisBest said | November 5th 2009 @ 10:52am | Report comment
“It is perfectlly natural for a person from our islands to refer to them as “Home”
Except VC, that they are referred to consistently as ‘the’ home unions, etc. Not ‘my’, or ‘our’.
That, oh titled one, is indeed condescending.
November 5th 2009 @ 11:52am
MrE said | November 5th 2009 @ 11:52am | Report comment
I remember as a little kid in the 60s hearing native born Ausralians refering to England as ‘home’.
I remember feeling a little puzzled by it – but now I recognise it as just a natural cultural carry over, which has long since been forgotten – same with knighthoods etc.
I am guessing Spiro would have used it here to keep the post count ticking along nicely !
November 5th 2009 @ 8:38am
Pippinu said | November 5th 2009 @ 8:38am | Report comment
I vote for the Catholic-Celtic interpretation.
There’s no doubt in my mind that the expression “home unions” derives from the socio-politcal-historic expression: “home countries” which meant precisely what pothale said.
Now there might be a good argument for retaining the expression home unions to refer to the original four rugby playing nations (before France made it five) – and that’s an argument for others to have – but it is right to acknowledge the true source of the expression – it just hasn’t arisen in a complete vacuum.
November 5th 2009 @ 12:12pm
King of the Gorganites said | November 5th 2009 @ 12:12pm | Report comment
Pothale,
Just a quick not about Irish independence…..Ireland (excluding the occupired counties) gained its independence in 1921-1922, and didnt become a republic until 1949.
November 5th 2009 @ 8:09am
Knives Out said | November 5th 2009 @ 8:09am | Report comment
‘except the only place Fosters is actually drunk in copious amounts is the UK..you would battle to find it in Australia and then even more to find an Aussie drinking it…. for some reason those cans from ASDA taste so much better than local version’
That’s because all the Australian barmen in Britain water it down with tap water and their urine.
November 5th 2009 @ 10:54am
PastHisBest said | November 5th 2009 @ 10:54am | Report comment
All in good fun KO.
November 5th 2009 @ 5:49pm
Knives Out said | November 5th 2009 @ 5:49pm | Report comment
Until you have a pint of the amber nectar. That’s no fun at all.
November 5th 2009 @ 8:18am
Knives Out said | November 5th 2009 @ 8:18am | Report comment
‘Mortlock is on tour but still injured. Barnes,Sharpe, Kimlin,Waugh,Sheppard,Horne.
Dunning just come back from serious injury same with Kepu. As I said we all have injuries.’
Actually what you are saying is that Australia has lost two players whilst touring and in camp and lost a few 3rd rate players prior to camp and the 3N. What you are also saying is that Australia has 3 players: Mortlock, Dunning and Kepu, who aren’t actually injured at all. Wow. Haven’t you suffered. That is one immense injury list. Deans will be lucky to even find 15 players to pull on that sexy Gold jersey this Saturday.
November 5th 2009 @ 8:30am
Rodney McDonell said | November 5th 2009 @ 8:30am | Report comment
Rugby of either code never had a chance to become the “World Game”. Soccer was a head of rugby from the start. The strength in soccer is it’s simple rules. Theres no kid anywhere who has not kicked a soccer ball and though, yer i can play soccer.
That’s not the same for either rugby code. Theres is a little more involved and thats an obsticle for children.
November 5th 2009 @ 8:40am
Pippinu said | November 5th 2009 @ 8:40am | Report comment
Why is this post sitting on this thread? Is it responding to something someone said? Or were you just wanting to get that off your chest?
November 5th 2009 @ 10:57am
PastHisBest said | November 5th 2009 @ 10:57am | Report comment
“Soccer was a head of rugby…”
What exactly does this mean Rodders??
“Theres no kid anywhere who has not kicked a soccer ball and though, yer i can play soccer.”
Another incomprehensible gem…
November 5th 2009 @ 11:06am
AndyRoo said | November 5th 2009 @ 11:06am | Report comment
Rodney
You should have posted that here instead
http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/04/the-last-word-on-the-code-wars/
You might win $10
November 5th 2009 @ 12:27pm
Pippinu said | November 5th 2009 @ 12:27pm | Report comment
November 5th 2009 @ 8:33am
Knives Out said | November 5th 2009 @ 8:33am | Report comment
‘Adam Freier, Sam Wykes…. the list goes on’
If the list could go on then it would and you would have named more players. Neither Freier nor Wykes would have made the Australian squad, which is why the list of missing English players is directly lifted from their EPS squad. What a ludicrously coarse attempt at comparison.
November 5th 2009 @ 8:52am
Vented Relief said | November 5th 2009 @ 8:52am | Report comment
Hmm, and you mentioned 9 uncapped players from the england squad why? England has always picked ridiculously large squads full of players who will never even play for their country. A bit of reality is needed here.
BTW I think you’re being a bit harsh to Adam Freier, particularly considering Australia has toured with only two hookers, and are already feeling the pinch from it with Cowan having to throw into the lineout yesterday for petes sake! He was in the 43 man Wallaby squad and most assuredly would have been picked to add to his 16 wallaby caps, but for his injury.
November 5th 2009 @ 9:00am
Colin N said | November 5th 2009 @ 9:00am | Report comment
“Hmm, and you mentioned 9 uncapped players from the england squad why? ”
Because, they were either in the Saxons or EPS squads. Also, Mullan and Wood would have been close to a call-up if they were fit and on form, as they are both very talented. Dan Cole less so, but with the injuries we’ve had in that position, you never know, especially as the coahces think he’s talented enough to be in one of the squads. Waldouck could have been called up for Tindall, until he fratured a cheekbone against Gloucester.
Blaze was in the EPS and Turner-Hall was very close to the England squad and may well have played had it not been for injury.
Finally, Webbar could have been given the nod for the bench had it not been for injury.
It was a stupid question, but I hope I’ve answered it for you.
November 5th 2009 @ 8:51am
Terry Kidd said | November 5th 2009 @ 8:51am | Report comment
Bugger the injury list on both sides … we play with what we have and get on with it.
Ko and Pothale, sorry guys but as soon as I derived the gist of Spiro’s article I made a bet with myself that one of you two would be the first to comment. Lo and behold it was KO by a couple of lengths !!!
I’m not having a dig here guys, just a good deep chuckle because I could literally feel the indignation from here …. Brisbane.
Cheers, and best of luck to all our teams in the next few weeks.
November 5th 2009 @ 9:34am
pothale said | November 5th 2009 @ 9:34am | Report comment
We take it in turns to give the off-the-top-of head response and then the more considered one. And then VC chips in and gives out to both of us. Or rather admonishes us, as only he can.
November 5th 2009 @ 5:52pm
Knives Out said | November 5th 2009 @ 5:52pm | Report comment
It’s the time difference, Terry. That and a boring sense of indignation – you’re right. Must be that uptight English manner. Damn you stereotype! Damn you to hell.
All jokes aside and all things considered I’m actually really looking forward to the game. Good luck to you and your boys. No hard feelings… when England wins 41-17… (I had a dream.)