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South Africa's Katlego Mashego, left, vies for the ball with New Zealand's Andy Boyens during their Confederations Cup Group A soccer match at the Royal Bafokeng Stadium in Rustenburg, South Africa, Wednesday, June 17, 2009. South Africa won 2-0. AP Photo/Rebecca Blackwell
D-day looms for New Zealand’s All Whites. They are one game away from World Cup qualification for the first time since 1982, and they face a do or die clash in Wellington on Saturday in a similar scenario to what the Socceroos faced in November 2005.
And like the Socceroos’ playoff qualification, victory for the All Whites could have a lasting impact for football in the country, and across the Tasman.
But the political quagmire New Zealand football finds itself in, namely through the Wellington Phoenix – the biggest contributor of players and officials to the All Whites – threatens to overshadow the occasion.
AFC President Mohamed Bin Hammam has stated that it is unacceptable that a team – Wellington Phoenix – from a country outside of the Asian confederation is allowed to play, and prosper, in an Asian domestic league, especially when that nation could potentially knock out an Asian country in a World Cup playoff thanks, in no small part, to the experience of playing in that league.
It is certainly an odd situation, and an absurd system, one that FIFA and the AFC, with their differing positions on Wellington’s place in the region, have failed to act on with any great conviction.
Neither have they shown much concern for the plight of the Phoenix, New Zealand and the greater Oceania region.
Wellington Phoenix is in no-man’s land.
Unable to qualify for either the Asian Champions League or OFC continental club competition, their future in the A-League remains in limbo.
Even its attempts to develop a youth team in either Australia or New Zealand have been scuppered by their licence uncertainty.
The sad irony is victory against Bahrain on the weekend would further infuriate the powers that be at the AFC, and it could condemn the Phoenix in their plight to remain in the A-League.
It’s a grossly unfair situation.
Australia is sort of the meat in the sandwich in this situation, and although the FFA has backed Wellington’s future in the A-League, it needs to be careful not to get off side with the AFC.
So, whom do we back – our Asian counterparts or our Kiwi neighbours?
Some, such as Scott McIntyre writing on the SBS World Game site, suggest we should be backing our Asian brethren over our Tasman neighbours.
McIntyre argues Australians should be backing Bahrain as a way of showing our support and gratitude to the Asian confederation, especially in light of what he claims is a “genuine ambiguity towards Asian football.”
He states: “A good way to begin changing that perception would be for Australia to throw its full support behind the bid of one of smallest Asian nations as it attempts to create history.”
He is also correct in saying Bahrain qualifying would be even more a fairytale story considering it is more of a minnow than New Zealand.
These are salient points. But I can’t help but feel there is more to be gained for Australia in seeing the All Whites qualify.
The A-League, as the nearest and most accessible professional competition to New Zealand, will be the biggest benefactor of a rise in interest in the game, leading to more Kiwis playing the game – even if the Wellington Phoenix is booted out of the competition.
New Zealand will always be our closest and most associated football ally, and there is more to be gained for the Australian game if the All Whites qualify rather than Bahrain, political machinations aside. Having both Australia and New Zealand in South Africa will be an enormous achievement for football in our part of the world, and a huge fillip for the A-League, without whom the All Whites – through the Phoenix – may not be in this situation.
Although well embedded in Asia, Australia should never forget its former home.
Forget the notion of our need to support our Asian counterparts over the Oceania ‘outsiders’.
As I wrote in a previous column on the eve of the Confederations Cup: “Although it goes against our countries sporting ethos, we should all be cheering for the All Whites.”
Good luck to the All Whites. Let’s hope we see them in South Africa.
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Freud of Football said | November 11th 2009 @ 4:46am | Report comment
Adrian, others have accused you of hyperbolic journalism in the past but I won’t take it that far. Nevertheless, FIFA head honcho Joseph Blatter has already put his support behind the plight of the Phoenix: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/soccer/news/article.cfm?c_id=86&objectid=10550437 – So this is a totally moot point, Blatter has more power than the leaders of many countries, he has more friends in high places than you or I could ever imagine, if Blatter has said that then he will likely stick to it because he has some other motive for it (don’t ask me what), not because he gives a damn about NZ football but because he cares about being President of FIFA.
I think as a nation we should support the All Whites, imagine the Socceroos vs The All Whites in a football WC, that would be something to savour. However politically, Australia should stick with the AFC, we aren’t that high and mighty that we can afford to go putting noses out of joint and getting into the AFC was hard enough as it was, no need to rock the boat now and risk losing all that especially as we know we can qualify for the WC with relative ease in Asia.
megatron said | November 11th 2009 @ 6:48am | Report comment
Is there a chance we could draw them in the WC groups or will seeding keep us apart?
Brendan said | November 11th 2009 @ 7:20am | Report comment
There is NO chance we will draw NZ in the WC, whoever wins this match will go into the same pot as us.
Freud of Football said | November 11th 2009 @ 7:30am | Report comment
There is always a chance in the knockout stages.
megatron said | November 11th 2009 @ 9:54am | Report comment
That won’t happen.
megatron said | November 11th 2009 @ 9:59am | Report comment
Go Kiwis!
dasilva said | November 11th 2009 @ 11:21am | Report comment
According to te footballranking.info website
There’s a chance we will get New Zealand if Costa Rica beats uruguay.
If costa rica beats Uruguay
4 AFC
1 Oceania
5 Africans
2 non-seeded south america
4 North americans
AFC, and CONCACAF will be in one pot
OFC,CAF, and CONMNBOL will be in the other pot
If Uruguay beats Costa Rica
4 AFC
1 Oceania
5 Africans
3 non-seeded south america
3 North americans
AFC, OFC and either CONMEBOL/CONCACAF will be in one pot
CAF and CONMENBOL/CONCACAF will be in the other pot.
Therefore it is possible for Australia to be in the same group as NEw zealand only if Costa rica beats uruguay.
megatron said | November 11th 2009 @ 11:27am | Report comment
Awesome. Thanks for that. Let’s go for Costa Rica too. Australia V New Zealand at a World Cup would be awesome. Imagine a group of England, Australia, NZ and another. Gold. It was great at the last WC that multicultural Aussies – Italians, Croatians etc – got to see Australia play them so imagine if we got grouped with Commonwealth countries!
PS: We are cheering against Uruguay again. They must hate us so much!
danny said | November 11th 2009 @ 12:37pm | Report comment
hmmm. wonder what would happen if bahrain beat the kiwis and costa rica beat uruguay?
5 AFC
5 CAF
2 CONMEBOL
4 CONCACAF
interesting scenario.
GazGoldCoast said | November 11th 2009 @ 5:40am | Report comment
Great article Adrian, and a lot of good points. There’s a reflexive anti-NZ culture in Australian sports, only exceeded by our anti-UK sentiments, but both rivalries stoke the fires of our own sporting passions. Anyone aware of Australia’s own trials and tribulations qualifying through Oceania should have a lot of sympathy for football fans across the Tasman. Fortunately the FFA do not need to make an official decision on which team they support, but personally I will be rooting for the Kiwis – - and of course Shane Smeltz — all the way.
And of course, if a WC appearance triggers a flood of interest in NZ football, we Aussies will be waiting to welcome all those gifted Kiwi kids over the next 10 years, give them a shirt in the A-League, and if they are good enough for the national squad, we’ll insist they are really Aussies!
Mr cheese said | November 11th 2009 @ 5:52am | Report comment
Don’t know who he is, but it’s great to hear of a chap called Shane Smeltz. He sounds a bit like somebody who might have worked alongside George Gershwin et al in Tin Pan Alley between the wars.
As for these “anti-UK” sentiments, I am surprised to hear that. I thought that you were all pretty much fans of the English. When Australia get knocked out next summer, you will all support us in South Africa, no ?!?!?!?!?!??!
danny said | November 11th 2009 @ 8:34am | Report comment
bah! as if we’d ever claim the successful kiwis as our own…
Rob said | November 11th 2009 @ 11:38am | Report comment
Yeah, Danny, you’re right, and Phar Lap was an Aussie Horse, and Russell Crowe is an Aussie as well… :p
danny said | November 11th 2009 @ 12:41pm | Report comment
shihad and crowded house are two great aussie bands…
Gibbo said | November 11th 2009 @ 1:49pm | Report comment
Flight of the conchords is my favourite aussie show.
danny said | November 11th 2009 @ 1:58pm | Report comment
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoF_fa9TMDk
danny said | November 12th 2009 @ 1:52pm | Report comment
we can claim them all!
http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/contributors/join-oz-new-zealand–its-for-the-best-20091112-ib8r.html
Robbos said | November 11th 2009 @ 6:08am | Report comment
Go the All Whites even though it’s against our country’s sporting cultures & against our region’s own teams.
Why doesn’t FIFA just add Ocenia to Asia.
danny said | November 11th 2009 @ 8:36am | Report comment
it would certainly make a lot of sense to do that. just create another AFC region in oceania, and early-round qualifiers are played on a regional basis to reduce travel costs etc.
AGO74 said | November 11th 2009 @ 6:33am | Report comment
Go New Zealand. Good for the A-League. Good for our old friends (and more than ocasional foes!) in NZ – and at the end of the day the pragmatist in me says is better for the AFC to not have Bahrain in the World Cup because realistically whoever wins here is going to be the most likely cannon fodder candidate of the 32 nations and if it is Bahrain has the potential to embarass the AFC. We got seriously outplayed by Bahrain over there last year but everyone also knows when you take the Gulf teams out of the Gulf they seem to disintegrate (Saudi Arabia at any of last 3 world cups with no wins, many losses and quite a few thrashings as well). Having said that, if Bahrain do win on saturday I will cheer on Bahrain as well as the other AFC qualifiers in Sth Africa because the better all AFC teams do (and not just ours) the better for AFC in the long run.
Brendan said | November 11th 2009 @ 7:22am | Report comment
I will be supporting Bahrain, as Australia is a Asian Confed member I want to see as many AFC teams win through as possible.
Dave said | November 11th 2009 @ 7:57am | Report comment
Is there anyway in Sydney apart from Setanta Sports the match wil be shown on TV?
megatron said | November 11th 2009 @ 8:37am | Report comment
Likewise for Adelaide?
danny said | November 11th 2009 @ 8:38am | Report comment
the internet is your friend
megatron said | November 11th 2009 @ 8:43am | Report comment
It’s not the same though. Would be surprised if ex pat Kiwis haven’t arranged for some get together in the capitals. This is their Uruguay decider. Funny if it’s decided on penalties
AGO74 said | November 11th 2009 @ 9:17am | Report comment
if you are super super keen and have fox you can pay $15 to have setanta hooked on for a month (this is what I did for Euro 2008). Just don’t forget to ring up and cancel the subscription at the end of the month you have paid for!
cbowden9000 said | November 11th 2009 @ 9:18am | Report comment
Is it wrong of me to suggest iraqgoals?
megatron said | November 11th 2009 @ 9:52am | Report comment
What’s that?
megatron said | November 11th 2009 @ 10:02am | Report comment
It’s ok I found it. Better not say.
cbowden9000 said | November 11th 2009 @ 11:08am | Report comment
Yeah, i’m not sure about the football community’s standing on these websites. For me, there is no other way I can watch away CCM or Socceroos games…
megatron said | November 11th 2009 @ 11:13am | Report comment
Yeah they’re much against them as it potentially devalues TV rights and obviously decreases ratings and potential buyers to subsription tv.
cbowden9000 said | November 11th 2009 @ 11:27am | Report comment
I see. Well, I am a paying CCM member and I go to Socceroos games in Australia, but I am only 17 so I can’t go to a pub etc to watch their foxtel. There is no way my parents are going to pay for foxtel, so websites like these are the only way I can watch away games. I suppose that they could stop people from paying for foxtel if they can watch the games for free online, but for those with no other option like me, it would be better to keep their interest in football than not watch the games at all, wouldn’t it?
danny said | November 11th 2009 @ 12:44pm | Report comment
you can watch a lot of games not involving australian teams completely legally on bet365. i’m pretty sure the kiwis game will be on there. in terms of a-league games, if you *want*, you can pay a subscription to the afc website and watch a-league games online through that. it’s cheaper than pay tv i’m pretty sure, but still has the dual problems of costing money and being online (so the worst of both worlds, really).
AndyRoo said | November 11th 2009 @ 1:18pm | Report comment
Danny I don’t think the AFC service works for those in Australia. I tried to see a demo of a CSL game and it’s blocked to Australian IP addresses.
If you have moved on from a standard TV then it only takes one cable (and a second for sound) to stream from your computer to TV.
AndyRoo said | November 11th 2009 @ 1:32pm | Report comment
cbowden9000
I don’t begrudge people like yourself who otherwise wouldn’t see it from watching the game.
It’s more the public discussion that is frowned on and hopefully they are on FTA soon so people like yourself and other youngsters don’t miss out and it’s all a moot point.
Midfielder said | November 11th 2009 @ 8:19am | Report comment
Go the AW’s…However prehaps they need like us to just miss out so the hunger grows… the media over there is almost totally RU … sometimes these things take time to develop…
Brian said | November 11th 2009 @ 8:29am | Report comment
On a practical note are any channels showing this game? if possible I’d like to see it.
With regards to the tie whoever wins will be thrashed repeatedly at the WC. As such probably better its NZ so their players gain experience, also increased interest in NZ football, the Phoenix, the A League will only be good for Australia. Maybe one day even a side in Auckland could be resurrected
Darwin hammer said | November 11th 2009 @ 8:57am | Report comment
Well I’m heading over tomorrow to cheer the boys on …. will be fantastic if we can make it for only the second time …
albatross said | November 11th 2009 @ 9:19am | Report comment
I would tend to support NZ given that members of the team are not required to declare that they have an invisible friend.
The AFC should be split into two separate confeds with the ME countries in an “West Asia confed. Ideally FIFA could, for added piquancy, insist the zone include Israel meaning that we would not be seeing national sides made up of “imports” playing in the world cup as most of the members of the proposed confed could not compete. Any east Asian country that felt their “lifestyle” would be more suited to the west Asian confed could join it.
The east Asian countries and Oceania should be put in a “eastern” Asia-Pac confed.. This would give FIFA the opportunity also to ditch CONCACAF which is a joke specifically organised to ensure the USA qualifies for every WC. This might mean that the Asia Pac might have to be jigged so that both China and the USA qualify but given the size of the confed there would be enough places to satisfy this FIFA peccadillo without inconveniencing everyone else.
The mini countries of Oceania could be handled in the same way as the mini countries of the AFC currently are with nice little competitions configured especially for them.
Ben of Phnom Penh said | November 11th 2009 @ 11:23am | Report comment
Can’t say I agree. I’d prefer to see Oceania as a sub-set of Asia with the top two Oceania nations entering the AFC qualification stage in round 3.
Rhino said | November 11th 2009 @ 8:51pm | Report comment
Where is Vanuatu (who usually come second) or any other small pacific nation going to find the cash to jet there players around asia.
Ben of Phnom Penh said | November 12th 2009 @ 11:04am | Report comment
On balance Solomons is probably second best in the region and they are the poorest nation in the Pacific per capita. Such costs are covered by FIFA in these circumstances.