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		<title>By: Brett McKay</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/11/oneills-grand-rescue-strategy/comment-page-3/#comment-244870</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett McKay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 02:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim, I actually meant that he seems to be swapping between wing and centre a lot, not that he can&#039;t get a game...</description>
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		<title>By: kingplaymaker</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/11/oneills-grand-rescue-strategy/comment-page-4/#comment-244721</link>
		<dc:creator>kingplaymaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 00:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt I had thought of adding changes to the rules, albeit more humble ones than those you proposed (just the ELVs again but better refereed), as a fourth action for O&#039;Neill to take. Certainly something needs to be done, as the current rules are only leading to boredom and confusion, and again it&#039;s a moment for the whole southern hemisphere to be bold in order to protect its own territory.

Of course you&#039;re right that a national competition would be easy to set up. The only thing holding it back is fear. But this is exactly what the ARU must not be subject too. While the AFL and NRL make brave expansionist moves, the ARU cowers like a mouse at any such thought, petrified that it might go wrong, and in the meantime loses players and supporters to its rivals. There will come a time soon though when it&#039;s a case of making bold moves or facing collapse.

I agree that in the long-term a national competition is a better solution than bringing over league players. However it is just that, a long, or at best medium-term solution. League imports are instant in their affect and would boost the national team until the player development at work in the national competition came through, which would take time.

The problem now is that as the Wallabies form so much of the interest in rugby union, if they lose the popularity of the whole game plummets, which guarantees a yo-yoing strength in the game until they are the unbeatable number 1 ranked team in the world. The Super programme is also very international, and lacks glamour without a professional competition below it to set it in relief.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt I had thought of adding changes to the rules, albeit more humble ones than those you proposed (just the ELVs again but better refereed), as a fourth action for O&#8217;Neill to take. Certainly something needs to be done, as the current rules are only leading to boredom and confusion, and again it&#8217;s a moment for the whole southern hemisphere to be bold in order to protect its own territory.</p>
<p>Of course you&#8217;re right that a national competition would be easy to set up. The only thing holding it back is fear. But this is exactly what the ARU must not be subject too. While the AFL and NRL make brave expansionist moves, the ARU cowers like a mouse at any such thought, petrified that it might go wrong, and in the meantime loses players and supporters to its rivals. There will come a time soon though when it&#8217;s a case of making bold moves or facing collapse.</p>
<p>I agree that in the long-term a national competition is a better solution than bringing over league players. However it is just that, a long, or at best medium-term solution. League imports are instant in their affect and would boost the national team until the player development at work in the national competition came through, which would take time.</p>
<p>The problem now is that as the Wallabies form so much of the interest in rugby union, if they lose the popularity of the whole game plummets, which guarantees a yo-yoing strength in the game until they are the unbeatable number 1 ranked team in the world. The Super programme is also very international, and lacks glamour without a professional competition below it to set it in relief.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/11/oneills-grand-rescue-strategy/comment-page-4/#comment-244656</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure if the ARU truely wanted to create a national club competition then they could do easily. All it would require is a reshaping of the club landscape. Take nominations for all clubs interested in joing the top level club comp (with around 10 teams being needed for the top teir). Set up a selection criteria based on assets and predicted marketability of each club. Criteria would also stipulate a certain bias towards clubs outside of Sydney and Brisbane, so as to prevent the 10 team comp being solely represented by this area. If the selection process is adequately transparent then the teams who miss out can see where they went wrong. Teams below the top 10 Premiership level go into the 2nd level Championship, with promotion/relegation operating between the two teirs. It wouldn&#039;t be THAT hard to set up, it&#039;s just that I don&#039;t beleive there is a genuine desire from the ARU for anything resembling this setup.

It is a shame though, because like KPM has suggested, when you are only playing against teams in your own nation (like the AFL and NRL) Australian teams are always winning. Games are also always accesible for fans and broadcasters to televise. So surely it&#039;s worth more to the TV excecs and provides more fanfare than a Super14 type comp.

More teams is also a better way of strengthening the Wallabies. All the talk of buying players like Inglis, Hayne etc are less effective at making the Wallabies win games and are instead more beneficial in garnering media hype (ala Hunt to GCFC). If the ARU wanted to get a better return on investment then they need more paying opportunities for younger players. The NRL does so well with creating star players because they have a constant flow of young talent wanting to earn money to play Footy. And realistically you can earn more as a 18, 19, 20 yo in the Toyota Cup and NRL than you can on a Super 14 development contract. More teams does dilute the quality concentration of talent, but that in turn allows more youngsters to get contracts sooner. So the benefit for the ARU (in having more teams and more players) is that players like Jared Wairea-Hargreaves wouldn&#039;t switch over to play league for Manly because there is more opportunity to start their professional career. Fans love young prodigies and love talking about &quot;how great of a player they&#039;ll be&quot;, just like James O&#039;Connor (who still isn&#039;t THAT great) and just like potential League converts. The NRL has an abundance of very young kids who garner a lot of positive attention, as opposed to older guys at the end of their careers like Willie Mason (unfair example I know).

As for the games in general. I think that there is a growing concern over the size of rugby players, especially from the European media. There is also a lot of concern over the large amount of kicking in rugby and the mystery of the breakdown. More and more even the NH media are complaining about the lack of attacking play and that the &quot;entertainment&quot; value of the game is a cornerstone of the codes success.

I really wonder if professionalism (and all of the above mentioned factors associated with it&#039;s transition) could lead to the removal of two players from the forward pack. Now, Union fans bare with me on this one. And League fans, don&#039;t look too smug. With the removal of the flankers from the pack we&#039;d (in my opinion) alleviate a lot of the issues plaguing rugby at present (and for the foreseeable future).

Firstly, without flankers in the scrum you remove a lot of the pressure on the front rows and lead to less collapses and front row injuries. Without flankers you need more mobile locks and props. This will reverse the trend of heavier and heavier players. Props will needs to get around the park and attend more rucks, but they will also still be needed to bookend the scrum. Locks will be needed to do more at rucks and to make more turnovers, but they will also be needed at lineout time. So, what you&#039;ll likely see is one lock being the atheltic aerial type (ala Matfield, Ali Williams, Dan Vickerman) and the other becoming a more taller flanker like player (ala Adam Thomson, Dean Mumm, Juan Smith).

Less flankers would mean less players on the field and therefore more space to run - a major step in opening the professional game up again. There would also be less breakdowns too, with more space to run in and less forwards to scrap for and slow the breadowns. There should also then be more chance of back running the ball back rather than kicking, yet with less players a good kick would still be vital.

Also, with less players the game becomes more aerobic. So all players would become lighter and impact injuries should therefore be reduced, helped by the fact that less rucks should occur.

With 2 less players on the field you also would reduce the highest cost in the professional game, that is the players wages.
This allows you to pay the current guys more, making the money even more impressive, and you also remove the current issues of player depth in some nations.

All the while you have maintained all the core body types and general game play that make Rugby so (traditionally) great to watch. I don&#039;t see any of this as a stretch of the imagination. More the issue comes with fans of the game feeling somehow that it&#039;s too revolutionary of that it is somehow a moral victory for rugby league (which it isn&#039;).

In my mind this solution fixes a lot of the major issue plaguing our sport.

The next step (and I KNOW this will make people even more suspicious that I&#039;m somehow a closet Leaguie) would be to reduce the value of a try to 4 and the value of a penalty and conversion to 2. The reason for this is simple. 3 points for a penalty makes a kick at goal (these days from over 50m!) worth 60% of a try. 2 and 4 points makes it only 50%. People argue that if you reduce the value of a penalty then it leads to an increase in cheating. My answer would be that we should encourage teams to instead (if they receive a penalty) to kick to the corner and run a try through for 200% more points than the penalty goal. These days territory is so vital in Rugby that teams so very rarely get the territory AND possession to score with. That is what a penalty should be giving them, a great TRY scoring opportunity, no the instant (everyone watch while one man) kicks of a goal.

I think Rugby is the greatest game in the world and has more than it&#039;s fair share of incredible moments. But I also beleive that technlogy and money has caught up with the old amateur game after 15 years and it&#039;s time to look at how we can make a great game even better (both on and off the field).

And if in Australia, New Zealand and England that League teams decide to re-introduce competitve scrums and lineouts then we can go VERY close to having the two sibling codes of rugby back living together as brothers. At that stage look our world, even more so than now!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure if the ARU truely wanted to create a national club competition then they could do easily. All it would require is a reshaping of the club landscape. Take nominations for all clubs interested in joing the top level club comp (with around 10 teams being needed for the top teir). Set up a selection criteria based on assets and predicted marketability of each club. Criteria would also stipulate a certain bias towards clubs outside of Sydney and Brisbane, so as to prevent the 10 team comp being solely represented by this area. If the selection process is adequately transparent then the teams who miss out can see where they went wrong. Teams below the top 10 Premiership level go into the 2nd level Championship, with promotion/relegation operating between the two teirs. It wouldn&#8217;t be THAT hard to set up, it&#8217;s just that I don&#8217;t beleive there is a genuine desire from the ARU for anything resembling this setup.</p>
<p>It is a shame though, because like KPM has suggested, when you are only playing against teams in your own nation (like the AFL and NRL) Australian teams are always winning. Games are also always accesible for fans and broadcasters to televise. So surely it&#8217;s worth more to the TV excecs and provides more fanfare than a Super14 type comp.</p>
<p>More teams is also a better way of strengthening the Wallabies. All the talk of buying players like Inglis, Hayne etc are less effective at making the Wallabies win games and are instead more beneficial in garnering media hype (ala Hunt to GCFC). If the ARU wanted to get a better return on investment then they need more paying opportunities for younger players. The NRL does so well with creating star players because they have a constant flow of young talent wanting to earn money to play Footy. And realistically you can earn more as a 18, 19, 20 yo in the Toyota Cup and NRL than you can on a Super 14 development contract. More teams does dilute the quality concentration of talent, but that in turn allows more youngsters to get contracts sooner. So the benefit for the ARU (in having more teams and more players) is that players like Jared Wairea-Hargreaves wouldn&#8217;t switch over to play league for Manly because there is more opportunity to start their professional career. Fans love young prodigies and love talking about &#8220;how great of a player they&#8217;ll be&#8221;, just like James O&#8217;Connor (who still isn&#8217;t THAT great) and just like potential League converts. The NRL has an abundance of very young kids who garner a lot of positive attention, as opposed to older guys at the end of their careers like Willie Mason (unfair example I know).</p>
<p>As for the games in general. I think that there is a growing concern over the size of rugby players, especially from the European media. There is also a lot of concern over the large amount of kicking in rugby and the mystery of the breakdown. More and more even the NH media are complaining about the lack of attacking play and that the &#8220;entertainment&#8221; value of the game is a cornerstone of the codes success.</p>
<p>I really wonder if professionalism (and all of the above mentioned factors associated with it&#8217;s transition) could lead to the removal of two players from the forward pack. Now, Union fans bare with me on this one. And League fans, don&#8217;t look too smug. With the removal of the flankers from the pack we&#8217;d (in my opinion) alleviate a lot of the issues plaguing rugby at present (and for the foreseeable future).</p>
<p>Firstly, without flankers in the scrum you remove a lot of the pressure on the front rows and lead to less collapses and front row injuries. Without flankers you need more mobile locks and props. This will reverse the trend of heavier and heavier players. Props will needs to get around the park and attend more rucks, but they will also still be needed to bookend the scrum. Locks will be needed to do more at rucks and to make more turnovers, but they will also be needed at lineout time. So, what you&#8217;ll likely see is one lock being the atheltic aerial type (ala Matfield, Ali Williams, Dan Vickerman) and the other becoming a more taller flanker like player (ala Adam Thomson, Dean Mumm, Juan Smith).</p>
<p>Less flankers would mean less players on the field and therefore more space to run &#8211; a major step in opening the professional game up again. There would also be less breakdowns too, with more space to run in and less forwards to scrap for and slow the breadowns. There should also then be more chance of back running the ball back rather than kicking, yet with less players a good kick would still be vital.</p>
<p>Also, with less players the game becomes more aerobic. So all players would become lighter and impact injuries should therefore be reduced, helped by the fact that less rucks should occur.</p>
<p>With 2 less players on the field you also would reduce the highest cost in the professional game, that is the players wages.<br />
This allows you to pay the current guys more, making the money even more impressive, and you also remove the current issues of player depth in some nations.</p>
<p>All the while you have maintained all the core body types and general game play that make Rugby so (traditionally) great to watch. I don&#8217;t see any of this as a stretch of the imagination. More the issue comes with fans of the game feeling somehow that it&#8217;s too revolutionary of that it is somehow a moral victory for rugby league (which it isn&#8217;).</p>
<p>In my mind this solution fixes a lot of the major issue plaguing our sport.</p>
<p>The next step (and I KNOW this will make people even more suspicious that I&#8217;m somehow a closet Leaguie) would be to reduce the value of a try to 4 and the value of a penalty and conversion to 2. The reason for this is simple. 3 points for a penalty makes a kick at goal (these days from over 50m!) worth 60% of a try. 2 and 4 points makes it only 50%. People argue that if you reduce the value of a penalty then it leads to an increase in cheating. My answer would be that we should encourage teams to instead (if they receive a penalty) to kick to the corner and run a try through for 200% more points than the penalty goal. These days territory is so vital in Rugby that teams so very rarely get the territory AND possession to score with. That is what a penalty should be giving them, a great TRY scoring opportunity, no the instant (everyone watch while one man) kicks of a goal.</p>
<p>I think Rugby is the greatest game in the world and has more than it&#8217;s fair share of incredible moments. But I also beleive that technlogy and money has caught up with the old amateur game after 15 years and it&#8217;s time to look at how we can make a great game even better (both on and off the field).</p>
<p>And if in Australia, New Zealand and England that League teams decide to re-introduce competitve scrums and lineouts then we can go VERY close to having the two sibling codes of rugby back living together as brothers. At that stage look our world, even more so than now!</p>
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		<title>By: Bay35Pablo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bay35Pablo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:17:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lee, no, but taking to the extremes that happens is ridiculous. It is like this refusal to agree to 6 team finals, pure bloody mindedness.

And I am sick to death of these complaints about South Africa being hard done by and always picked on, never getting their way. Give me a break.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lee, no, but taking to the extremes that happens is ridiculous. It is like this refusal to agree to 6 team finals, pure bloody mindedness.</p>
<p>And I am sick to death of these complaints about South Africa being hard done by and always picked on, never getting their way. Give me a break.</p>
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		<title>By: kingplaymaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>kingplaymaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Smithy in the abundance of new teams I propose, there&#039;s room for both.</description>
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		<title>By: smithy09</title>
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		<dc:creator>smithy09</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Brumbies in 96 were formed from discards of the other 2 &quot;big&quot;guns and have been the most successful Australian Province. Melbourne Rebels in 2007 lost the Grand Final of the ARC with a team that was made up solely of those who couldn&#039;t crack the other teams. League players are not the answer, sure maybe 1 or 2 young ones, it&#039;s these fringe people this new team muxt cater for. People with the common goal of a point to prove often come together and prove it in a mighty fashion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Brumbies in 96 were formed from discards of the other 2 &#8220;big&#8221;guns and have been the most successful Australian Province. Melbourne Rebels in 2007 lost the Grand Final of the ARC with a team that was made up solely of those who couldn&#8217;t crack the other teams. League players are not the answer, sure maybe 1 or 2 young ones, it&#8217;s these fringe people this new team muxt cater for. People with the common goal of a point to prove often come together and prove it in a mighty fashion.</p>
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		<title>By: Paley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very few union players who step up to rugby make the grade immediately. Most union players struggle when stepping up to rugby but their clubs put in the time and effort to help them adapt to the handling code. It seems that when rugby players make the step down to union the clubs are too keen to have them playing from the off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very few union players who step up to rugby make the grade immediately. Most union players struggle when stepping up to rugby but their clubs put in the time and effort to help them adapt to the handling code. It seems that when rugby players make the step down to union the clubs are too keen to have them playing from the off.</p>
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		<title>By: kingplaymaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>kingplaymaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nor it seems can Ashley-Cooper!</description>
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		<title>By: kingplaymaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>kingplaymaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They worked hard to get him back.

The point is that it can be done, and Vickerman would only agree if he was interested anyway.</description>
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<p>The point is that it can be done, and Vickerman would only agree if he was interested anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: kingplaymaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>kingplaymaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They do Brett, and if you&#039;re interested I can find some articles this year which I remember reading where he expressed similar sentiments.

On the other hand, it&#039;s kind of ridiculous that he thinks he can turn down an offer from the ARU at 25, then go to union anyway but NOT to the ARU at 27, and then want to have a handsomely-paid international career at 29 just when his powers are declining. It seems almost as if he has contempt for the Wallabies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They do Brett, and if you&#8217;re interested I can find some articles this year which I remember reading where he expressed similar sentiments.</p>
<p>On the other hand, it&#8217;s kind of ridiculous that he thinks he can turn down an offer from the ARU at 25, then go to union anyway but NOT to the ARU at 27, and then want to have a handsomely-paid international career at 29 just when his powers are declining. It seems almost as if he has contempt for the Wallabies.</p>
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		<title>By: kingplaymaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>kingplaymaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, as they expanded it almost immediately after anyway. No that I was suggesting they abandon promotion and relegation..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, as they expanded it almost immediately after anyway. No that I was suggesting they abandon promotion and relegation..</p>
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		<title>By: kingplaymaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>kingplaymaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:35:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jus no we haven&#039;t. What about Danny Williams, Chris Ashton, Stephen Myler, Shontayne Hape at the moment?

Chev Walker and Karl Pryce hardly played enough for us to know.

Then what about Jason Robinson?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jus no we haven&#8217;t. What about Danny Williams, Chris Ashton, Stephen Myler, Shontayne Hape at the moment?</p>
<p>Chev Walker and Karl Pryce hardly played enough for us to know.</p>
<p>Then what about Jason Robinson?</p>
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		<title>By: Matt S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;speed of thought &quot; Jus de couchon this is where the inherent bias of union comes to the fore. A league player has to think in micro seconds where a union player thinks in tens of seconds even minutes. The confusing thing for a league player to adapt to ids why exopand minutes of energy to gain the ball to only kick it away again. And even union writers have stated the kicking is mostly aimless.

RL players have the skills and technique to figure out a play in quick time something union, in its current state, will fail to ever appreciate. This is a reason I would not like to see any other league player go to union and waste their talent. Welcome back Timana.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;speed of thought &#8221; Jus de couchon this is where the inherent bias of union comes to the fore. A league player has to think in micro seconds where a union player thinks in tens of seconds even minutes. The confusing thing for a league player to adapt to ids why exopand minutes of energy to gain the ball to only kick it away again. And even union writers have stated the kicking is mostly aimless.</p>
<p>RL players have the skills and technique to figure out a play in quick time something union, in its current state, will fail to ever appreciate. This is a reason I would not like to see any other league player go to union and waste their talent. Welcome back Timana.</p>
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		<title>By: jus de couchon</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/11/oneills-grand-rescue-strategy/comment-page-3/#comment-244495</link>
		<dc:creator>jus de couchon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here In England weve learnt the hard way , with some exceptions , that good R.L players rarely have the skills , technique , and speed of thought to adopt to the challenges of Rugby.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here In England weve learnt the hard way , with some exceptions , that good R.L players rarely have the skills , technique , and speed of thought to adopt to the challenges of Rugby.</p>
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		<title>By: skull</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/11/oneills-grand-rescue-strategy/comment-page-1/#comment-244483</link>
		<dc:creator>skull</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stewart would be no good as he cant really kick.</description>
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		<title>By: Knives Out</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/11/oneills-grand-rescue-strategy/comment-page-2/#comment-244415</link>
		<dc:creator>Knives Out</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris Jack sought to return to NZ. The NZRFU did not promote a campaign to bring him back to NZ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris Jack sought to return to NZ. The NZRFU did not promote a campaign to bring him back to NZ.</p>
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		<title>By: Knives Out</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/11/oneills-grand-rescue-strategy/comment-page-3/#comment-244414</link>
		<dc:creator>Knives Out</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The blundering RFU failed to completely annihilate the tradition of promotion and relegation to support one team? They surely are buffoons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The blundering RFU failed to completely annihilate the tradition of promotion and relegation to support one team? They surely are buffoons.</p>
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		<title>By: Knives Out</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/11/oneills-grand-rescue-strategy/comment-page-3/#comment-244413</link>
		<dc:creator>Knives Out</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The blundering RFU failed to completely annihilate the tradition of promotion and relegation to support one team. They surely are buffoons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The blundering RFU failed to completely annihilate the tradition of promotion and relegation to support one team. They surely are buffoons.</p>
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		<title>By: kingplaymaker</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/11/oneills-grand-rescue-strategy/comment-page-1/#comment-244403</link>
		<dc:creator>kingplaymaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justin I think the best league players have been superb in union. The failures have mostly been too old when they arrived, or were not forced to commit properly to the game and allowed to waltz off when things got a little tough, or were not put in their club/super teams long enough to adapt. A young player forced to committ should succeed.

I&#039;m not giving any credit to the sport of rubgy league in saying this, but I admit they have some good players.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justin I think the best league players have been superb in union. The failures have mostly been too old when they arrived, or were not forced to commit properly to the game and allowed to waltz off when things got a little tough, or were not put in their club/super teams long enough to adapt. A young player forced to committ should succeed.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not giving any credit to the sport of rubgy league in saying this, but I admit they have some good players.</p>
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		<title>By: kingplaymaker</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/11/oneills-grand-rescue-strategy/comment-page-2/#comment-244400</link>
		<dc:creator>kingplaymaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brett New Zealand have just brought back Chris Jack, thereby refusing to accept the cards they are holding and acquiring another. Australia can do the same in another very similar case and in the same position.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brett New Zealand have just brought back Chris Jack, thereby refusing to accept the cards they are holding and acquiring another. Australia can do the same in another very similar case and in the same position.</p>
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		<title>By: kingplaymaker</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/11/oneills-grand-rescue-strategy/comment-page-3/#comment-244399</link>
		<dc:creator>kingplaymaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:34:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim and also some of their marquee players are actually good, regardless of whether the game they play is enjoyable to watch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim and also some of their marquee players are actually good, regardless of whether the game they play is enjoyable to watch.</p>
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		<title>By: kingplaymaker</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/11/oneills-grand-rescue-strategy/comment-page-3/#comment-244397</link>
		<dc:creator>kingplaymaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>anopinion look at my generation&#039;s reply below to whether the league players are good enough. Even now Elsom,. Palu and Barnes were in league before. It&#039;s fine not to enjoy watching league, which is also my position, but I admit the players are good.

Vickerman and Mcmeniman are big talents, much bigger than Horwill and Sharpe.

A national competition is necessary to provide more rugby for spectators and more positions for players. Now young players are inevitably going to go to league as there aren&#039;t enough professional places in union for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anopinion look at my generation&#8217;s reply below to whether the league players are good enough. Even now Elsom,. Palu and Barnes were in league before. It&#8217;s fine not to enjoy watching league, which is also my position, but I admit the players are good.</p>
<p>Vickerman and Mcmeniman are big talents, much bigger than Horwill and Sharpe.</p>
<p>A national competition is necessary to provide more rugby for spectators and more positions for players. Now young players are inevitably going to go to league as there aren&#8217;t enough professional places in union for them.</p>
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		<title>By: kingplaymaker</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/11/oneills-grand-rescue-strategy/comment-page-3/#comment-244394</link>
		<dc:creator>kingplaymaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not really selling the jersey, just because they come from rugby league. That doesn&#039;t exactly make sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not really selling the jersey, just because they come from rugby league. That doesn&#8217;t exactly make sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/11/oneills-grand-rescue-strategy/comment-page-1/#comment-244282</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 07:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KPM - the problem with comparing league back for Union is that they will not have the time and space they get in League. Its a big reason IMO that league players look great playing league but average playing Union.

In League there are two less players, the backline is split in two with a centre and playmaker often taking one side of the field each and then there is the 10m rule which provides so much space/momentum for league backs to run at the defence. You get none of that in Union.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KPM &#8211; the problem with comparing league back for Union is that they will not have the time and space they get in League. Its a big reason IMO that league players look great playing league but average playing Union.</p>
<p>In League there are two less players, the backline is split in two with a centre and playmaker often taking one side of the field each and then there is the 10m rule which provides so much space/momentum for league backs to run at the defence. You get none of that in Union.</p>
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		<title>By: JimC</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/11/oneills-grand-rescue-strategy/comment-page-3/#comment-244270</link>
		<dc:creator>JimC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 06:58:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brett McKay

About Gasnier not being able to hold down a place in the Stade Francais team - not sure where you get your info. I&#039;ve watched almost all the games this seasona and he&#039;s been selected, even when the new coaching team came in in. He&#039;s been a gamebreaker on countless occasions. 

The problem is he&#039;s being played on the wing - not that he can&#039;t hold down a spot.</description>
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<p>About Gasnier not being able to hold down a place in the Stade Francais team &#8211; not sure where you get your info. I&#8217;ve watched almost all the games this seasona and he&#8217;s been selected, even when the new coaching team came in in. He&#8217;s been a gamebreaker on countless occasions. </p>
<p>The problem is he&#8217;s being played on the wing &#8211; not that he can&#8217;t hold down a spot.</p>
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		<title>By: Firestarter Bob</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/11/oneills-grand-rescue-strategy/comment-page-3/#comment-244225</link>
		<dc:creator>Firestarter Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 05:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Not a watered down competition where the playing talent is divided amongst 16 teams.&quot;

It&#039;s hardly watered down given it has the necessary number of trained players to field 16 teams.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Not a watered down competition where the playing talent is divided amongst 16 teams.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hardly watered down given it has the necessary number of trained players to field 16 teams.</p>
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		<title>By: MyGeneration</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/11/oneills-grand-rescue-strategy/comment-page-3/#comment-244216</link>
		<dc:creator>MyGeneration</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 05:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lote Tuqiri played 67 tests, Matt Rogers played 45 tests, Wendell Sailor played 37 tests.  They may not have left on good terms, but they were &quot;good enough&quot; to make the Wallabies. They all played in a World Cup final that went to extra time as well. That might not be great, but it&#039;s &quot;good enough&quot;. There are reasons signing RL players hasn&#039;t always worked, but &quot;good enough&quot; isn&#039;t one of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lote Tuqiri played 67 tests, Matt Rogers played 45 tests, Wendell Sailor played 37 tests.  They may not have left on good terms, but they were &#8220;good enough&#8221; to make the Wallabies. They all played in a World Cup final that went to extra time as well. That might not be great, but it&#8217;s &#8220;good enough&#8221;. There are reasons signing RL players hasn&#8217;t always worked, but &#8220;good enough&#8221; isn&#8217;t one of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/11/oneills-grand-rescue-strategy/comment-page-3/#comment-244210</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 05:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Four or Five Australian Teams allows us to maintain a concentrated version of rugby. Not a watered down competition where the playing talent is divided amongst 16 teams. What we have is a cost effective and excellent rugby environment. Just because people watch RL does not mean we should copy them.&quot;

are you happy with the &#039;excellent rugby&#039; played this year in the super 14? because I&#039;ve read plenty of people on this site complaining about the player quality of the super 14 teams, particually the australian teams. 

on the other hand the &#039;watered down competition&#039; where the playing talent is divided between 16 teams has just had a massive year on all fronts. the ARU would be crazy to not want some of there marquee players, even if only for a PR stunt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Four or Five Australian Teams allows us to maintain a concentrated version of rugby. Not a watered down competition where the playing talent is divided amongst 16 teams. What we have is a cost effective and excellent rugby environment. Just because people watch RL does not mean we should copy them.&#8221;</p>
<p>are you happy with the &#8216;excellent rugby&#8217; played this year in the super 14? because I&#8217;ve read plenty of people on this site complaining about the player quality of the super 14 teams, particually the australian teams. </p>
<p>on the other hand the &#8216;watered down competition&#8217; where the playing talent is divided between 16 teams has just had a massive year on all fronts. the ARU would be crazy to not want some of there marquee players, even if only for a PR stunt.</p>
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		<title>By: Darwin hammer</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/11/oneills-grand-rescue-strategy/comment-page-3/#comment-244192</link>
		<dc:creator>Darwin hammer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 04:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All you&#039;re doing is selling the Wallaby jersey to the highest bidder - there&#039;s enough talk already that the current mob don&#039;t show any pride in it ... so why go down the track of degenerating it further … look no further than the failed kiwi leaguies that were rapidly promoted to the England team – waste of space and were a blot on the jersey  … Hunt is not the answer ... 

Australia shouldn&#039;t be selling the shop in order to try and be competitive in 2011 - if the core of the W/Cup squad aren&#039;t already being groomed by the super coach - then there&#039;s no quick fix</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All you&#8217;re doing is selling the Wallaby jersey to the highest bidder &#8211; there&#8217;s enough talk already that the current mob don&#8217;t show any pride in it &#8230; so why go down the track of degenerating it further … look no further than the failed kiwi leaguies that were rapidly promoted to the England team – waste of space and were a blot on the jersey  … Hunt is not the answer &#8230; </p>
<p>Australia shouldn&#8217;t be selling the shop in order to try and be competitive in 2011 &#8211; if the core of the W/Cup squad aren&#8217;t already being groomed by the super coach &#8211; then there&#8217;s no quick fix</p>
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		<title>By: PastHisBest</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/11/oneills-grand-rescue-strategy/comment-page-3/#comment-244187</link>
		<dc:creator>PastHisBest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 04:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What we have is a cost effective and excellent rugby environment&quot;

Barely, and no we don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What we have is a cost effective and excellent rugby environment&#8221;</p>
<p>Barely, and no we don&#8217;t.</p>
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