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		<title>By: Tium</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tium</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jul 2010 21:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ESPN3.com will be hosting most footie starting august, however I&#039;m still looking for some place that will stream EPL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ESPN3.com will be hosting most footie starting august, however I&#8217;m still looking for some place that will stream EPL.</p>
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		<title>By: pernunz</title>
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		<dc:creator>pernunz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 22:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not saying the deal was legal. It was quite clearly illegal, and looking back on it now, perhaps being relegated would have saved us from being in the position we are at the moment. Of course we should have been docked points, but we weren&#039;t, and then we had to cough up mega bucks to Sheffield United for the idiotic ruling that was given. What we did was disgraceful, and possibly no better than what Chelsea did with Gael Kakuta. Thank goodness 3rd party ownership has been sorted out since then.

What 25yrold said was that we should be docked points because of who our owners currently are (A consortium of Icelandic banks) and for paying inflated wages. That is just plain crap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not saying the deal was legal. It was quite clearly illegal, and looking back on it now, perhaps being relegated would have saved us from being in the position we are at the moment. Of course we should have been docked points, but we weren&#8217;t, and then we had to cough up mega bucks to Sheffield United for the idiotic ruling that was given. What we did was disgraceful, and possibly no better than what Chelsea did with Gael Kakuta. Thank goodness 3rd party ownership has been sorted out since then.</p>
<p>What 25yrold said was that we should be docked points because of who our owners currently are (A consortium of Icelandic banks) and for paying inflated wages. That is just plain crap.</p>
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		<title>By: Freud of Football</title>
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		<dc:creator>Freud of Football</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 14:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;As for being docked points, are you a Sheffield United fan by any chance?&quot; - Man United fan here saying West Ham should most definately have been docked points for the Tevez saga.

Don&#039;t let anyone tell you anything else, West Ham officials knew just how dodgy the deal that bought Tevez and Mascherano to Upton Park was, they deserved automatic relegation for knowingly breaching the rules the way they did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;As for being docked points, are you a Sheffield United fan by any chance?&#8221; &#8211; Man United fan here saying West Ham should most definately have been docked points for the Tevez saga.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t let anyone tell you anything else, West Ham officials knew just how dodgy the deal that bought Tevez and Mascherano to Upton Park was, they deserved automatic relegation for knowingly breaching the rules the way they did.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no choice. I live in a country that shows no A-league. However, I pay the AFC site to watch them simply because I want to watch without interuptions. I missed the first season of the A-league before internet streaming and now I can watch it, simple. It is a brilliant invention and I am willing to pay if the services are better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no choice. I live in a country that shows no A-league. However, I pay the AFC site to watch them simply because I want to watch without interuptions. I missed the first season of the A-league before internet streaming and now I can watch it, simple. It is a brilliant invention and I am willing to pay if the services are better.</p>
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		<title>By: clayton</title>
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		<dc:creator>clayton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 09:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey guys - i am signed up to the AFC service - 

you can`t watch footy from the country you are in.  I live in Japan atm - I can watch the a-league.  If you are in oz, you can`t watch the a-league, but you can catch j-league, k-league and the korean league.  

a bit of a fuzzy stream, but i am happy enough with what i paid for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey guys &#8211; i am signed up to the AFC service &#8211; </p>
<p>you can`t watch footy from the country you are in.  I live in Japan atm &#8211; I can watch the a-league.  If you are in oz, you can`t watch the a-league, but you can catch j-league, k-league and the korean league.  </p>
<p>a bit of a fuzzy stream, but i am happy enough with what i paid for it.</p>
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		<title>By: pernunz</title>
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		<dc:creator>pernunz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 03:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fox Sports have a streaming option at the moment (http://www.foxsports.com.au/football/epl/ondemand), that I would hope would be popular, but it&#039;s hard to see how it would cope with the competition of free streaming.

However, in checking that, I noticed this article: http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,26344526-29437,00.html

Foxtel will (from next season) screen EVERY Premier League match of the season. (It doesn&#039;t say LIVE in the article, but I&#039;m guessing it would be), so, more great news for (Premier League) Football fans!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fox Sports have a streaming option at the moment (<a href="http://www.foxsports.com.au/football/epl/ondemand" rel="nofollow">http://www.foxsports.com.au/football/epl/ondemand</a>), that I would hope would be popular, but it&#8217;s hard to see how it would cope with the competition of free streaming.</p>
<p>However, in checking that, I noticed this article: <a href="http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,26344526-29437,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,26344526-29437,00.html</a></p>
<p>Foxtel will (from next season) screen EVERY Premier League match of the season. (It doesn&#8217;t say LIVE in the article, but I&#8217;m guessing it would be), so, more great news for (Premier League) Football fans!</p>
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		<title>By: pernunz</title>
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		<dc:creator>pernunz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 03:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The original title of this article was to create a debate about whether illegal streaming was good for the game, but the reviewers changed the title.

The problem I see with internet streaming being the major source of watching matches is the infrastructure behind it. In Australia, to watch a match in high quality, you are probably taking up to 2gb of downloads to watch a full game, with the internet pricing structure like it is here (unlike in the US, where you pay for speed, and no matter what speed you buy, you get unlimited downloads) it will be very hard to work through this internationally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The original title of this article was to create a debate about whether illegal streaming was good for the game, but the reviewers changed the title.</p>
<p>The problem I see with internet streaming being the major source of watching matches is the infrastructure behind it. In Australia, to watch a match in high quality, you are probably taking up to 2gb of downloads to watch a full game, with the internet pricing structure like it is here (unlike in the US, where you pay for speed, and no matter what speed you buy, you get unlimited downloads) it will be very hard to work through this internationally.</p>
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		<title>By: pernunz</title>
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		<dc:creator>pernunz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 03:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The occasions that Viewers Choice fails me is in fact on Sunday nights when Foxtel only shows 2 (or 3 if we&#039;re lucky, like last week) and the other matches usually involve big teams, not Saturday nights.

As for being docked points, are you a Sheffield United fan by any chance? That&#039;s the only possibly excuse for your petulant post. How can you say that a team should be docked points for paying inflated wages and transfer fees? At the time, we could afford them, but then the greatest financial meltdown since the Great Depression hit.

No-ones happy with our financial situation. But the fact is, the banks don&#039;t want to sell West Ham for anything short of (approximately) 100 million pounds, and are simply burdening us with more debt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The occasions that Viewers Choice fails me is in fact on Sunday nights when Foxtel only shows 2 (or 3 if we&#8217;re lucky, like last week) and the other matches usually involve big teams, not Saturday nights.</p>
<p>As for being docked points, are you a Sheffield United fan by any chance? That&#8217;s the only possibly excuse for your petulant post. How can you say that a team should be docked points for paying inflated wages and transfer fees? At the time, we could afford them, but then the greatest financial meltdown since the Great Depression hit.</p>
<p>No-ones happy with our financial situation. But the fact is, the banks don&#8217;t want to sell West Ham for anything short of (approximately) 100 million pounds, and are simply burdening us with more debt.</p>
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		<title>By: 25yr old</title>
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		<dc:creator>25yr old</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 02:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the biggest problem I have with this piece is that you admit to staying at home on a Saturday night and watching streaming of a West Ham game through your computer!

As a 20yr old male, that sure sounds like a boring night in - I know its Saturday night because Viewer&#039;s choice will always be able to provide for West Ham games on a Sunday.

I can only hope you&#039;re placing bets on these games - then I could understand why you&#039;d want to spend 2 hours watching a game on a computer when most young people are out socialising with others in the same age.

Very strange way to spend a Saturday night - presumably you don&#039;t invite the guys around to watch streaming West Ham matches on your computer?

One thing I would add about West Ham is that they are basically insolvent and should be forced into administration and docked 10pts for cheating the system bby paying inflated wages and transfer fees they couldn&#039;t afford. Its a disgrace that the people of Iceland (who are suffering enough from the travails of their banking) are essentially paying the multi-million dollar salaries of a bunch of West Ham players.

Absolute disgrace.

But back to your point, of course matches should be streamed through the Internet - and they will be, all it requires is a little bit of patience for all the legal issues to be worked through, and it will happen. Won&#039;t be long either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the biggest problem I have with this piece is that you admit to staying at home on a Saturday night and watching streaming of a West Ham game through your computer!</p>
<p>As a 20yr old male, that sure sounds like a boring night in &#8211; I know its Saturday night because Viewer&#8217;s choice will always be able to provide for West Ham games on a Sunday.</p>
<p>I can only hope you&#8217;re placing bets on these games &#8211; then I could understand why you&#8217;d want to spend 2 hours watching a game on a computer when most young people are out socialising with others in the same age.</p>
<p>Very strange way to spend a Saturday night &#8211; presumably you don&#8217;t invite the guys around to watch streaming West Ham matches on your computer?</p>
<p>One thing I would add about West Ham is that they are basically insolvent and should be forced into administration and docked 10pts for cheating the system bby paying inflated wages and transfer fees they couldn&#8217;t afford. Its a disgrace that the people of Iceland (who are suffering enough from the travails of their banking) are essentially paying the multi-million dollar salaries of a bunch of West Ham players.</p>
<p>Absolute disgrace.</p>
<p>But back to your point, of course matches should be streamed through the Internet &#8211; and they will be, all it requires is a little bit of patience for all the legal issues to be worked through, and it will happen. Won&#8217;t be long either.</p>
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		<title>By: Shay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 00:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most competitions are like that - relying on &quot;old media&quot; and the interests of big backers while remaining closed to the possibilities of the internet.  Why not sell TV rights to one channel and the internet rights to another (or even do it themselves), including live streaming?  Sure, that may mean they make less for their TV rights, but they would more than make that up through advertising and subscriptions.  I live in China, and spent the winter watching lots of NRL and AFL online illegally, because there was no legal way I could watch it.  If there were a reliable, legal feed online, I&#039;d happily pay 50-100 bucks or more a season to watch it, and that could be money going directly to the NRL, without another company taking their cut.  I couldn&#039;t even watch Bigpond&#039;s highlights online after the game, because they are blocked outside Australia.  Why?  What a waste!

Quality is getting better now, and a decent broadband connection can be as good as TV quality - just have a look at TVAnts some time.  I hate watching pirated feeds, partly for moral reasons and partly because I often spend the first 20 minutes of the game hunting around for a good signal, and often have to change in the middle of a game when the feed gets blocked or exceeds its viewer limit.  So come on guys, start embracing the new media instead of criminalising it, and you&#039;ll be surprised at how many people will jump at the chance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most competitions are like that &#8211; relying on &#8220;old media&#8221; and the interests of big backers while remaining closed to the possibilities of the internet.  Why not sell TV rights to one channel and the internet rights to another (or even do it themselves), including live streaming?  Sure, that may mean they make less for their TV rights, but they would more than make that up through advertising and subscriptions.  I live in China, and spent the winter watching lots of NRL and AFL online illegally, because there was no legal way I could watch it.  If there were a reliable, legal feed online, I&#8217;d happily pay 50-100 bucks or more a season to watch it, and that could be money going directly to the NRL, without another company taking their cut.  I couldn&#8217;t even watch Bigpond&#8217;s highlights online after the game, because they are blocked outside Australia.  Why?  What a waste!</p>
<p>Quality is getting better now, and a decent broadband connection can be as good as TV quality &#8211; just have a look at TVAnts some time.  I hate watching pirated feeds, partly for moral reasons and partly because I often spend the first 20 minutes of the game hunting around for a good signal, and often have to change in the middle of a game when the feed gets blocked or exceeds its viewer limit.  So come on guys, start embracing the new media instead of criminalising it, and you&#8217;ll be surprised at how many people will jump at the chance.</p>
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		<title>By: Gibbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gibbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 00:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fragmented audience is an interesting point, although i guess it&#039;s more a problem for the corporations trying to make money. 

either way, the streaming on the internet is the future</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fragmented audience is an interesting point, although i guess it&#8217;s more a problem for the corporations trying to make money. </p>
<p>either way, the streaming on the internet is the future</p>
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		<title>By: AndyRoo</title>
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		<dc:creator>AndyRoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 23:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The AFC allready have a product, but I don&#039;t think it&#039;s available in Australia or any of the markets where the TV rights for those leagues have been sold. 

It shows A league, K league, J league and CSL matches. I have never seen it in action though.

It does seem the way fo the future but my only concern is the loss of the shared experience. If we have 1 million options then the audience will be very fragmented. Although I guess the big sports will still attract the audiences because they will have the existing quality and production values.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The AFC allready have a product, but I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s available in Australia or any of the markets where the TV rights for those leagues have been sold. </p>
<p>It shows A league, K league, J league and CSL matches. I have never seen it in action though.</p>
<p>It does seem the way fo the future but my only concern is the loss of the shared experience. If we have 1 million options then the audience will be very fragmented. Although I guess the big sports will still attract the audiences because they will have the existing quality and production values.</p>
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		<title>By: Freud of Football</title>
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		<dc:creator>Freud of Football</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why would they need to show it in low-res? If you are going to do it then do it properly.

What all TV-Companies need to do is realise that these &quot;illegal&quot; practices are here to stay and rather than trying to just sue everyone that they find (often individuals like yourself, sitting at home being nice enough to stream for others) breaching their rules, actually joining in and legalising it. Look at iTunes, Napster was huge before someone came in and made it legal.

ITV in England, STV in Scotland and SAT1 in Germany all do a pretty good job of streaming and SAT1 in particular of monetizing their services. When you enter their stream you have to watch two 30 second adverts for example and I don&#039;t mind that at all, particularly as their streams are generally at around 700 Kbps which is pretty good quality and completely legal.

Sometimes going to a pub is just too inconvenient and not all the games one wants to see are broadcast live, hence streaming is there as a low-cost solution, tv companies, advertisers and fans should all make the most of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would they need to show it in low-res? If you are going to do it then do it properly.</p>
<p>What all TV-Companies need to do is realise that these &#8220;illegal&#8221; practices are here to stay and rather than trying to just sue everyone that they find (often individuals like yourself, sitting at home being nice enough to stream for others) breaching their rules, actually joining in and legalising it. Look at iTunes, Napster was huge before someone came in and made it legal.</p>
<p>ITV in England, STV in Scotland and SAT1 in Germany all do a pretty good job of streaming and SAT1 in particular of monetizing their services. When you enter their stream you have to watch two 30 second adverts for example and I don&#8217;t mind that at all, particularly as their streams are generally at around 700 Kbps which is pretty good quality and completely legal.</p>
<p>Sometimes going to a pub is just too inconvenient and not all the games one wants to see are broadcast live, hence streaming is there as a low-cost solution, tv companies, advertisers and fans should all make the most of it.</p>
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