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		<title>By: Klestical</title>
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		<dc:creator>Klestical</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 04:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>haha sounds amazing. im thinking &quot;tram tracks&quot; training style (pick and drive within the 5m line).... crowds completely surrounding them and throwing mud</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>haha sounds amazing. im thinking &#8220;tram tracks&#8221; training style (pick and drive within the 5m line)&#8230;. crowds completely surrounding them and throwing mud</p>
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		<title>By: Shahsan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shahsan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 09:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nonsense. I would pick a team of seven great 15s players -- who can play 7s -- to beat the best team of 7s specialists running around on the circuit anytime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nonsense. I would pick a team of seven great 15s players &#8212; who can play 7s &#8212; to beat the best team of 7s specialists running around on the circuit anytime.</p>
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		<title>By: sledgeandhammer</title>
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		<dc:creator>sledgeandhammer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 09:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>while a national 7s comp would be good news, don&#039;t assume that the best 15s players will automatically be the best 7s players.  For a starter most them wouldn&#039;t be fit enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>while a national 7s comp would be good news, don&#8217;t assume that the best 15s players will automatically be the best 7s players.  For a starter most them wouldn&#8217;t be fit enough.</p>
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		<title>By: AndyS</title>
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		<dc:creator>AndyS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 08:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would be all for having national tournaments open to all comers and expanding the pool of interest in the game. But if it is seen as a gateway sport for Union, or becomes a focus for the professional game, I&#039;d fear for the future of all tight 5 play. It would be potentially catastrophic if it were to achieve some sort of T20 popularity - imagine the effect on cricket if T20 were to exclude all bowlers and only pay batsmen the millions on offer.

I am ambivalent about the long term effect of Sevens getting Olympic recognition. It might be great, but an equally likely outcome could be that Government / AOC funding will specifically preclude exclusionary practices such as requiring ARU registration. And were the game to become the Rugby version of T20 with loads of cash splashing around, why on earth would it wish to remained shackled to the financial millstone of Fifteens? I think such an outcome would see the sport rapidly establish it&#039;s own governing bodies and competitions, managing the cash to it&#039;s own best benefit. I&#039;m sure it wouln&#039;t be lost on the players either - if T20 is the model, I note in todays paper that Brett Lee is thinking he&#039;ll retire from Test cricket but will still &quot;definitely be playing international cricket&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would be all for having national tournaments open to all comers and expanding the pool of interest in the game. But if it is seen as a gateway sport for Union, or becomes a focus for the professional game, I&#8217;d fear for the future of all tight 5 play. It would be potentially catastrophic if it were to achieve some sort of T20 popularity &#8211; imagine the effect on cricket if T20 were to exclude all bowlers and only pay batsmen the millions on offer.</p>
<p>I am ambivalent about the long term effect of Sevens getting Olympic recognition. It might be great, but an equally likely outcome could be that Government / AOC funding will specifically preclude exclusionary practices such as requiring ARU registration. And were the game to become the Rugby version of T20 with loads of cash splashing around, why on earth would it wish to remained shackled to the financial millstone of Fifteens? I think such an outcome would see the sport rapidly establish it&#8217;s own governing bodies and competitions, managing the cash to it&#8217;s own best benefit. I&#8217;m sure it wouln&#8217;t be lost on the players either &#8211; if T20 is the model, I note in todays paper that Brett Lee is thinking he&#8217;ll retire from Test cricket but will still &#8220;definitely be playing international cricket&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Damo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Damo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 08:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A red herring _ whilst this is all good re sevens in Olympics etc. I have thought , especially in the recent past dark days of Wallaby scrum annihilation , of a tight forward type of competition. Rugby 5&#039;s. The idea being on of tight forwards Mauling/wrestling each other over the park. The opposite of 7&#039;s which is all about speed and open play, Rugby 5&#039;s would be all about scrums and rucks and tight forward play. It may not be a spectacle but it may produce skills and panache for international application</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A red herring _ whilst this is all good re sevens in Olympics etc. I have thought , especially in the recent past dark days of Wallaby scrum annihilation , of a tight forward type of competition. Rugby 5&#8242;s. The idea being on of tight forwards Mauling/wrestling each other over the park. The opposite of 7&#8242;s which is all about speed and open play, Rugby 5&#8242;s would be all about scrums and rucks and tight forward play. It may not be a spectacle but it may produce skills and panache for international application</p>
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		<title>By: CPB</title>
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		<dc:creator>CPB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 07:29:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given the comments about Government funding in other countries, the release of the Crawford report into Federal Government sports funding in Australia is quite timely. I understand that in general terms it recommends moving a significant proportion of funding away from Olympic sports and to traditional mass participation sports including the football codes. Given Rugby already receives very little Federal Government funding (I&#039;ve always assumed this is because of the perception real or otherwise that it&#039;s not needed due to elite corporate types propping up the game) either way there could be some Federal support on the way, whether or not the recommendations are accepted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given the comments about Government funding in other countries, the release of the Crawford report into Federal Government sports funding in Australia is quite timely. I understand that in general terms it recommends moving a significant proportion of funding away from Olympic sports and to traditional mass participation sports including the football codes. Given Rugby already receives very little Federal Government funding (I&#8217;ve always assumed this is because of the perception real or otherwise that it&#8217;s not needed due to elite corporate types propping up the game) either way there could be some Federal support on the way, whether or not the recommendations are accepted.</p>
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		<title>By: Working Class Rugger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Working Class Rugger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 06:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rugbythinker

NRL player&#039;s are more than welcome but they must be registered under the ARU and play the game. So basically they&#039;d have to convert without expecting the huge paypackets.</description>
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<p>NRL player&#8217;s are more than welcome but they must be registered under the ARU and play the game. So basically they&#8217;d have to convert without expecting the huge paypackets.</p>
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		<title>By: Working Class Rugger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Working Class Rugger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 06:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rugbythinker

In Russia the govt is moving to install Rugby as an official schools sport so Olympic status is a real boon for the game internationally. The was an interview with the head of the Chinese Rugby Football Union who mentioned that prior to the decision the Union had talks with the Chinese govt in regards to the what if scenario. He was told that the game would be taken under the Ministry of Sport umbrella and &#039;aggresively&#039; expanded into all 31 province&#039;s in the country. So it&#039;s definitely time we took the format seriously as the landscape of World Rugby could be in for some significant changes in the future. A country like the USA now has access to the necessary funds not only to run the game on a national scale but rapidly expand the player base meaning more athletes and attention.</description>
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<p>In Russia the govt is moving to install Rugby as an official schools sport so Olympic status is a real boon for the game internationally. The was an interview with the head of the Chinese Rugby Football Union who mentioned that prior to the decision the Union had talks with the Chinese govt in regards to the what if scenario. He was told that the game would be taken under the Ministry of Sport umbrella and &#8216;aggresively&#8217; expanded into all 31 province&#8217;s in the country. So it&#8217;s definitely time we took the format seriously as the landscape of World Rugby could be in for some significant changes in the future. A country like the USA now has access to the necessary funds not only to run the game on a national scale but rapidly expand the player base meaning more athletes and attention.</p>
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		<title>By: PastHisBest</title>
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		<dc:creator>PastHisBest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 06:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They would have to be registered with the ARU, and the NRL wouldn&#039;t allow this to happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They would have to be registered with the ARU, and the NRL wouldn&#8217;t allow this to happen.</p>
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		<title>By: PastHisBest</title>
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		<dc:creator>PastHisBest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 06:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your point being, RedB?</description>
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		<title>By: Redb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Redb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 04:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree. Rugby 7s tournament would be very good at the new rectangular stadium in Melbourne.  Might upset a few Croweaters though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree. Rugby 7s tournament would be very good at the new rectangular stadium in Melbourne.  Might upset a few Croweaters though.</p>
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		<title>By: RugbyThinker</title>
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		<dc:creator>RugbyThinker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 04:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The good news here is that everyone seems agreed that Rugby Sevens is the way to move game forward. Inclusion in the Olympics is a big funding boost to many countries. Governments in countries such as China, Germany, USA, Russia, etc only fund sports in the Olympics. Now Rugby in those countires will benefit and may even get onto school curricula. The thought process has certainly changed from only as far back as 2005 and the Singapore vote when not the entire rugby family thought it was a good idea. It would be good to see ARU take it seriously now. Point taken about NRL players but it would be interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The good news here is that everyone seems agreed that Rugby Sevens is the way to move game forward. Inclusion in the Olympics is a big funding boost to many countries. Governments in countries such as China, Germany, USA, Russia, etc only fund sports in the Olympics. Now Rugby in those countires will benefit and may even get onto school curricula. The thought process has certainly changed from only as far back as 2005 and the Singapore vote when not the entire rugby family thought it was a good idea. It would be good to see ARU take it seriously now. Point taken about NRL players but it would be interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: M1tch</title>
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		<dc:creator>M1tch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 02:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Olympics are in august/september..unless the nrl team isnt playing finals thats only way I could see NRL allowing it to happen, but theyve said before they wont let players play a few months of rugby to then come back to league</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Olympics are in august/september..unless the nrl team isnt playing finals thats only way I could see NRL allowing it to happen, but theyve said before they wont let players play a few months of rugby to then come back to league</p>
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		<title>By: Harry Wombat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry Wombat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 02:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting thought about whether any RL players might want to take part in the Australian Olympic 7&#039;s team and yet remain as RL players. Would this be allowed to happen by the ARU and/or the NRL ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting thought about whether any RL players might want to take part in the Australian Olympic 7&#8242;s team and yet remain as RL players. Would this be allowed to happen by the ARU and/or the NRL ?</p>
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		<title>By: Working Class Rugger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Working Class Rugger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 02:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rugbythinker

I don&#039;t see 7s as a different sport more a complimentary one. The perfect development tool. And a short glimpse into the future of Rugby possibly. At the junior level 7s is perfect in getting kids into the game. It&#039;s quick, open and fun. And the best thing is its teaches the necessary skills and understanding for anyone to play the 15 man game. As for not being able to make the transition. Matt Giteau started in 7s as did James O&#039;Connor. Next season we will likely see more of Richard Kingi and Luke Morahan. 7s is the perfect development told for backs and loose forwards to make the jump. Just look at New Zealand, there is a long list of those you have. I don&#039;t agree with the open invite to all. If you are going to play Rugby 7s you must be a Rugby player. Afterall it was the IRB that did the hard yards and it should be Rugby and Rugby alone to reap the benefits. If those from other codes wish to compete the answer is simple. Play Rugby.</description>
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<p>I don&#8217;t see 7s as a different sport more a complimentary one. The perfect development tool. And a short glimpse into the future of Rugby possibly. At the junior level 7s is perfect in getting kids into the game. It&#8217;s quick, open and fun. And the best thing is its teaches the necessary skills and understanding for anyone to play the 15 man game. As for not being able to make the transition. Matt Giteau started in 7s as did James O&#8217;Connor. Next season we will likely see more of Richard Kingi and Luke Morahan. 7s is the perfect development told for backs and loose forwards to make the jump. Just look at New Zealand, there is a long list of those you have. I don&#8217;t agree with the open invite to all. If you are going to play Rugby 7s you must be a Rugby player. Afterall it was the IRB that did the hard yards and it should be Rugby and Rugby alone to reap the benefits. If those from other codes wish to compete the answer is simple. Play Rugby.</p>
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		<title>By: rugbythinker</title>
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		<dc:creator>rugbythinker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 00:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Promoting Sevens and getting best players to play is the way forward. However these days Sevens is almost a unique sport in its own right and many players used to fifteens would struggle. But imagine a tournament open to all and sundry........an Australian Sevens team with top players from union and league.....can see that gold medal already!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Promoting Sevens and getting best players to play is the way forward. However these days Sevens is almost a unique sport in its own right and many players used to fifteens would struggle. But imagine a tournament open to all and sundry&#8230;&#8230;..an Australian Sevens team with top players from union and league&#8230;..can see that gold medal already!</p>
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		<title>By: Working Class Rugger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Working Class Rugger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 00:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CPB

I agree with you on the the opportunity 7s presents Rugby in this country. I have alaqways believ ed it was the perfect tool to really grow the game in Australia. The issue has always been that until now the ARU have largely dismissed its importance in this role. Now with the IOC ratifying the sport hopefully it will be taken more seriously. If the ARU has anyone with any vision beyond Super Rugby they will already be working on getting 7s into the school systems. Rugby has a product that could rival any of the other codes development programs, and the beauty of it is it takes no refinement as it has existed for more than 100 years. All we need to do now is take it seriously. And for all those who doubt its ability to attract new player&#039;s and fans to the 15 man game. Three examples Kenya, Portugal and Tunisia.That&#039;s only three of many.</description>
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<p>I agree with you on the the opportunity 7s presents Rugby in this country. I have alaqways believ ed it was the perfect tool to really grow the game in Australia. The issue has always been that until now the ARU have largely dismissed its importance in this role. Now with the IOC ratifying the sport hopefully it will be taken more seriously. If the ARU has anyone with any vision beyond Super Rugby they will already be working on getting 7s into the school systems. Rugby has a product that could rival any of the other codes development programs, and the beauty of it is it takes no refinement as it has existed for more than 100 years. All we need to do now is take it seriously. And for all those who doubt its ability to attract new player&#8217;s and fans to the 15 man game. Three examples Kenya, Portugal and Tunisia.That&#8217;s only three of many.</p>
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		<title>By: Hoy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be a good tournament idea maybe, but might not make the difference to our actual 7s chances I don&#039;t think.  I don&#039;t know why we never go any good in 7s.  I believe that 7s is so close to being a specialist game, that it almost is.  

Some good players have started in 7s I guess, getting their exposure to go on and get contracts, however some never do.

In Commonwealth games, we have tried to have the regular Wallaby stars play, and we have never gone any good, except maybe Kuala Lumpur, when Campo played.  I think we came third from memory.

Last time, we had Latham, Lote, and I think Rogers (maybe).  None made the difference, in fact they possibly hindered the regular team by not having the regular combinations within the Aus 7s team.

I like your idea for a viewing prospect, but again, as far as 7s go, it won&#039;t help us win too many 7s games.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be a good tournament idea maybe, but might not make the difference to our actual 7s chances I don&#8217;t think.  I don&#8217;t know why we never go any good in 7s.  I believe that 7s is so close to being a specialist game, that it almost is.  </p>
<p>Some good players have started in 7s I guess, getting their exposure to go on and get contracts, however some never do.</p>
<p>In Commonwealth games, we have tried to have the regular Wallaby stars play, and we have never gone any good, except maybe Kuala Lumpur, when Campo played.  I think we came third from memory.</p>
<p>Last time, we had Latham, Lote, and I think Rogers (maybe).  None made the difference, in fact they possibly hindered the regular team by not having the regular combinations within the Aus 7s team.</p>
<p>I like your idea for a viewing prospect, but again, as far as 7s go, it won&#8217;t help us win too many 7s games.</p>
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		<title>By: Bay35Pablo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bay35Pablo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This issue has been touched on in other threads at the time of the announcement. An Australian sevens series was suggested.

Agreed they should move the Australian leg of the World 7s from Adelaide, where it is just a bone to the last major state not to really have any rugby, to a major city where it can be used as a show case. I had been thinking of writing an article on that very issue over recent days (must have been the email from the ARU I got pushing the 2010 Adelaide 7s, and me thinking &quot;But it&#039;s in Adelaide!!!&quot;). Sydney, melbourne or Brisbane would have more local support, draw more attention to rugby, and get more visitors using it as an excuse to visit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This issue has been touched on in other threads at the time of the announcement. An Australian sevens series was suggested.</p>
<p>Agreed they should move the Australian leg of the World 7s from Adelaide, where it is just a bone to the last major state not to really have any rugby, to a major city where it can be used as a show case. I had been thinking of writing an article on that very issue over recent days (must have been the email from the ARU I got pushing the 2010 Adelaide 7s, and me thinking &#8220;But it&#8217;s in Adelaide!!!&#8221;). Sydney, melbourne or Brisbane would have more local support, draw more attention to rugby, and get more visitors using it as an excuse to visit.</p>
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