Should rugby become a 13 player a side game?
By Matt, 19 Nov 2009 The Crowd is a Roar Pro
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It is now over 14 years since the IRB flicked the switch on the sport of Rugby Union (August 26th 1995), paving the way for professionalism within the game.
Over this time period, rugby has grown drastically from amateurism into a global sport played by physically impressive athletes and watched by millions on television.
With the professional image of the game in mind, many important changes have also taken place in regards the rules of the game in the previous 14 years.
Some of these changes include:
Tactical Subsitutions
The removal of rucking
Lifting of jumpers in the lineouts
Introducing Red and Yellow cards
Experimental Law Variations
New laws have always been introduced with the ideal of increasing the enjoyment and safety of the sport for participants, with the exception being the ELVs (which appeared more directed at the professional realm of the sport in order to make it more simplistic to referee and to make it a faster spectacle for the viewer).
Many have lamented the failure of the ELVs, for whatever reason, but most fans of rugby were in agreement that the intentions were correct.
The amateur element of rugby has never had major issues with clarity of law, lack of speed in the game or lack of enjoyment from the participants.
The same cannot be said of the professional element.
The voices of discontent seemed to have reached a crescendo over the last 25months (following the 2007 World Cup) to the point where the sport’s entertainment value and safety are being seriously questioned in nations where rugby is very well established.
Player injuries are reaching pandemic levels and the quality of attacking play is generally poor.
Kicking as a first option has also dramatically increased, following Argentina’s successful tactics in the 2007 World Cup, to the point where a large majority of a team’s possession is received in the form of a kick.
Question marks have also been raised over the amount of time taken up in stoppages and in particular scrums. IRB figures have revealed that upwards of 16 per cent (sometimes 20 per cent) of the 80 minutes of test match rugby is spent contesting or resetting a scrum.
Fears have also arisen about the deliberate faking of injuries to force uncontested scrums and about the lack of transparency for referees and fans when it comes to exactly what happens once the ref call “engage”.
The above is the basic breakdown off the problems now facing the 14 year old version of professional rugby.
Some still maintain that there is no issue and that the sport will fix itself, or that it doesn’t need fixing.
But these people are a part of what is becoming a shrinking minority.
So what can be done to improve the above issues?
Personally, I’m more a fan of simple changes, rather than complexity. Complexity is what has lead to a lot of the complaints about officiating of Rugby Union, so I believe adding a bevy of new rules will be a step in the wrong direction.
Some comments have arisen that the field dimensions for pro rugby should be made larger to give balance to the larger/faster player of the modern era.
My proposal would be to simply remove two players from the field. Now many may have made this comment before (mostly it is a tongue in check comment from fans of Rugby League) but not many have given genuine reasons for doing so.
Many have also failed to address how this very simple change could fix most of modern rugby’s biggest growing pains. So here I go …
Scrums would become a 6 man affair and the desire would be to swing the balance in favour of the backs (rather than the 8/7 forward split of now) and running rugby.
Two less players on the field will allow for more space to attack and less defenders to clutter the running lanes (and to slow the breakdown).
Attacking teams would be encouraged to run the ball at thinner defensive lines, rather than kick it away, so good bye ping-pong rugby.
Less players and more running means more player fatigue over the 80 minutes. More tired player’s means more gaps to exploit.
More fatigue and running would also see a reversal in player sizes and bulky gym junkies would struggle to lug around the extra weight.
In steps smaller more agile runners of the Shane Williams, James O’Connor and Corey Jane type who would exploit any mismatches against lumbering monsters and light up crowds with old school Rugby razzle-dazzle.
6 Man scrums would reduce the pressure on props from flankers pushing and would make it easier for referees to see Props (without flankers hindering their view).
This coupled with the lighter weight of props and locks, through increased fitness demands, would lead to less collapses and more technique at scrum time (rather than sheer bulk and impact).
With competitive scrums and lineouts retained, so too would the ‘game for all shapes and sizes’ mentality be retained.
At least two genuine lineout targets would be required, but super tall individuals would need to be more athletic to make up for the loss of two flanker types.
Men like Ali Williams and Victor Matfield would still thrive, but to have two of them in your team might mean you struggle to gain as many turnovers.
What is most likely is that players of the Adam Thomson or Juan Smith build would move into the second row to partner the primary lineout target, while the guy at the back of the Scrum (now the No.6) would fill the ball playing and scavenging role.
The No.6 would need the all round skill of a McCaw, Parisse or George Smith.
Two less players also reduces the major cost in pro rugby, the player wages. This would also mean that the remaining 13 players could be in line to receive even better wages than now, making a pro Union contract even more valuable.
The major hurdle would be convincing rugby fans (and the RFU) that this isn’t some kind of admission that league is a better sport, because 13 man Rugby Union would not be Rugby League.
13 man rugby would be a more dynamic and attacking version of a sport where the contest for possession is still maintained.
The ELVs were rejected on the premise that the game (globally) did not need fixing. The IRB and SANZAR nations have shown willingness to make changes to improve the game.
Will the emergence of failings in the European game now pave the way for a potential revolution in how the game of rugby is played?
Would 13 man rugby cure the ills or is this too much of a change for unionites to stomach?
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Paley said | November 19th 2009 @ 3:07am | Report comment
The rugby I watch is played 13 a side.
Knives Out said | November 19th 2009 @ 3:58am | Report comment
You literally must bore yourself to sleep everynight.
Paley said | November 19th 2009 @ 4:21am | Report comment
I just thought I would point out that rugby is already played with 13 a side – has been for over 100 years.
PastHisBest said | November 19th 2009 @ 6:06am | Report comment
Yes your deathly boring, tedious, apology for a sport is played with 13 a side. Congrats. Now bugger off and find another bridge.
Paley said | November 19th 2009 @ 8:32am | Report comment
There is no need for you to become abusive. I merely pointed out a fact whch the original author had not taken into account.
PastHisBest said | November 19th 2009 @ 8:48am | Report comment
Hey you picked this fight…don’t chicken out on me now.
netrug said | November 19th 2009 @ 4:22pm | Report comment
Paley,
Rugby is played with 15 a side, league is played with 13.
BN said | November 19th 2009 @ 2:17pm | Report comment
Then why are union fans always looking at ways to make make their game more exciting and entertaining. After all if the sport of Rugby Union so perfect how come there’s almost daily articles on this site where it’s own fans and commentators are questioning its rules and giving suggestions on how to make the game better?
The fight for who has the most exciting form of rugby was over long ago. The Union fans a are still discussing why they got knocked out (especially in Australia and on this site) while the League side of things have moved on to other challenges facing its form of rugby.
And before building a bridge ourselves I suggest you get over the one named Rugby League.
AndyS said | November 19th 2009 @ 2:20pm | Report comment
A better question might be why are Union fans always looking at ways to make make their game more exciting and entertaining, yet at the same time opposed root-and-branch to turning it into League?
CraigB said | November 19th 2009 @ 8:28pm | Report comment
because if we were pleased with a simple game we’d watch rugby league. Union fans question, query and doubt. League fans just eat up whatever drivel is served to them, no matter which rapist is serving it up.
Norm said | November 19th 2009 @ 8:41pm | Report comment
Another rugby union fan making a joke about rape, fast becoming par for the course.
Tight Head Prop said | November 19th 2009 @ 8:49pm | Report comment
BN
I am assuming that you live in Sydney and are talking about the endless bashing of rugby from radio and the news papers.
All the radio host that bash rugby are either ex mungoes’ or work in some capacity for the NRL or channel 9 so there is no real credence there. Fitzsimons has an article to write and tries hard to be controversial, remembering he is the bloke who signed up to play in the world master for Mosman and opted for a paying speaking gig rather than help his team out in the medal play offs.
I personally am happy with the way the game is being played. It’s tough, tactical and it’s Rugby.
We had an international on Monday morning (Aus time) Australia v Ireland, there were two tries a piece scored and it was a good hard bash from both sides. Please BN remind us all of the score in the “four nations” final? Wasn’t it 46-12? Not a lot of defence there BN.
One more thing BN if your “Sport” is such a great product as they like to call it, why don’t they drop the word RUGBY from its title? or is this so they can ride on the coat tails of the real rugby outside of NSW & QLD?
Matt said | November 19th 2009 @ 6:03am | Report comment
So you’re saying you’d watch 13-a-side Rugby then Paley?
Paley said | November 19th 2009 @ 7:25am | Report comment
I watch it a lot.
Firestarter Bob said | November 19th 2009 @ 6:08am | Report comment
I thought rugby was a 15 man game? Then I read it was in the Olympics but it was as 7s. Then I read here the other day that 9s would be good. Someone replied saying that 10s would be better. Today I see that 13 is the magic number. I’m thinking less than 7 is not on the agenda. I look forward to soon reading about rugby 8s, 11s (the football and cricket devotees are looking forward to this story!), 12s and 14s.
sheek said | November 19th 2009 @ 8:45am | Report comment
Just thought I would point out, league has as much right to call itself rugby as union does.
Both codes exhibit characteristics of 19th century rugby as it went through its numerous stages of evolution.
Variations of league’s ‘play the ball’ were every bit as legitimate in mid-19th century rugby as were mauls.
So the superior attitude of some rugby folk that only union can call itself rugby, lacks any substance.
And I’m a union fan first, & league fan second, in case anyone is wondering…..
PastHisBest said | November 19th 2009 @ 8:50am | Report comment
But for the sake of clarity sheek, surely it’s better for league to not call themselves just ‘rugby’. Hell, they bastardised rugby union, so they can make up some other moniker.
Firestarter Bob said | November 19th 2009 @ 8:51am | Report comment
Huh? The play the ball? As if!
When league started they invented the play the ball to fix up rugby.
Or as PastHisBest put it “they bastardised rugby union”.
AC said | November 19th 2009 @ 11:45am | Report comment
Wrong.
Read some of the original descriptions of the “innovations” that rugby league introduced (take a look at http://www.rl1908.com/History/1906.htm)
Back in the late 19th century, rucks didn’t exist in rugby (before the schism). The ref would indicate unplayable or the player would call a “down”. This would mean an (ad hoc) scrum would be set with whoever was near by. In the simplest case it would be a one-on-one play the ball type scenario.
Firestarter Bob said | November 19th 2009 @ 12:39pm | Report comment
We’ll there you go! Spiro what do you think of what Sean Fagan says on that site?
sheek said | November 19th 2009 @ 10:07pm | Report comment
Gee FB,
“When league started they invented the play the ball to fix rugby up”.
You pulled the wrong horse, but hardly dropped stride. It does help if you do some research on your sport.
Like I said, depending on when you drop into rugby during its evolutionary changes in the 1800s, league has as much legitimacy to the title ‘rugby’ as does union.
Siva Samoa said | November 20th 2009 @ 7:31am | Report comment
you been reading too much rugby league history from sean fagan and the mungoesunlimited forum.
rugby is run by the rfu in england and the irb around the globe and it still is.
sheek said | November 20th 2009 @ 2:47pm | Report comment
Siva,
There’s very few people who have delved into the past history & evolution of both rugby union & league, like Sean Fagan has. I would add he’s extremely fair in his analysis.
Of course, remaining ignorant is your right.
I’m not sure what the RFU/IRB have to do with this discussion. Those organisations are run by ‘old farts’, as Will Carling so eloquently put it, who probably don’t know anything outside their little cloistered world.
Siva Samoa said | November 19th 2009 @ 6:32am | Report comment
Not my cup of tea. Rugby is ok the way it is . Its just going through one of those phases . The three big men in the frontrow is the reason why rugby is a different football from AFL and NRL. Its a game for all sizes and heights.
MattRusty said | November 19th 2009 @ 7:14am | Report comment
Yes Matt, the answer is yes. An AFL fan pointed out to me that professionalism era of players going full time has hurt rugby union because everyone is now fit. There are fewer gaps in the defense, so what choice have you got but to play field position. There are 30 players on the field at a time; AFL has 36 on the field at a time, and it’s three times the size! I believe it will go to 13, and league will go to 11-a-side too. The NRL trialed 11-a-side in the Toyota Cup towards the end of the season last year (for games that had no bearing on the finals) and it was open and exciting. Doesn’t matter if it’s right or wrong or goes against the very fabric of why you love the game – you don’t matter – money matters in this day and age, so be prepared for “our” product to be changed so that other supporters can be attracted. They might lose you, but they’ll risk it if you’re replaced by 2 other people.
Bazza said | November 19th 2009 @ 7:20am | Report comment
I’m a true blue rugby man and I think 13 a side is definitely worth thinking about, as is the removal of tactical subsitutions. The exponential increase in the size and fitness of rugby players over the last 20 years has effectively shrunk the size of the field, with the effect that rugby’s traditional running game is now obsolete. Real change is needed, but whatever the merits of such ideas, the almost overwhelming problem is to get the international rugby community to agree on any change on that scale. Now that it has become professional, (with the exception of the idiosyncratic Australian market) rugby is booming across the world and is under virtually no commercial pressure to change. Other than in North America and Australia, rugby has virtually no competition from other full contact ball sports, and is growing exponentially in both traditional rugby countries like Ireland, France and Argentina and in numerous developing rugby countries. And with the inclusion of sevens in the Olympic program, it will soon benefit from unprecedented levels of public funding in countries like Russia, China, USA and many others once the 2013-2016 Olympic cylce kicks in. So if the boom continues, or even accelerates, where is the pressure to change going to come from? The problem Australian rugby has is that for its long term wellbeing it needs to stay joined at the hip to the financial rivers of gold from the international game. It couldn’t afford to risk going it alone with a 13-a-side experiment even if it wanted to (and could somehow get a majority within Australian rugby to agree, which would be hard enough). It is a shame, but such bold ideas will probably never be even tried. So I don’t know where the answer will come from. Very few people in rugby realise it yet, but sevens will change the face of the game post 2016, when it features in the Rio Olympics. How it will ultimately affect 15- a-side rugby is anyone’s guess, but make no mistake, rugby sevens will become an absolutely huge international game in itself. Maybe 15- a-side rugby will go the way of test criket, where the traditional game is being overun by the abreviated form? More likely, it will just continue on largely as it is the IRB will just tinker with the rules at the breakdown to appease the romantics.
mitzter said | November 19th 2009 @ 7:37am | Report comment
I am unsure about the 13s as i think it is just a way of bypassing alot of the problems in the laws (but maybe thats what we need to do).
But I don’t think 7s will ever take over 15s – it’s just not a battle like 15s
Chris said | November 19th 2009 @ 7:21am | Report comment
Very impressive article – and I totally agree. 13 man rugby union would not be “league” (not that there is anything wrong with league, I love them both). It would still be rugby – just faster, more open and more athletic.
Brilliant idea.
Paul J said | November 19th 2009 @ 7:36am | Report comment
“Real change is needed, but whatever the merits of such ideas, the almost overwhelming problem is to get the international rugby community to agree on any change on that scale. ”
I agree with Bazza here.
The size of the international game for Rugby is a double edged sword. Great the game is so big but it makes it much harder to get changes put through. Rugby will always have this problem that the NRL and AFL will never have.
If the NRL one day decided to go 11 a side they’ll change it pretty easily. Much harded for the IRU to change to 13 a side.
13 a side is the way for Rugby to go.
albatross said | November 20th 2009 @ 10:40am | Report comment
Yeah and they could tidy up the ruck by formalising it and having just the tackled player and the tackler stand up after the tackle with the tp errr.. playing the ball with the tackler being allowed to strike for it. Line outs are messy too and so they should have a scrum when the ball goes out.
That and 13 players a side would make the game much more attractive.
Matt said | November 20th 2009 @ 10:48am | Report comment
Realistically though, rucks are more dynamic/attractive than play the ball and lineouts are more dynamic/attactive than a scrum.
It’s really only the amount of kicking versus running that is in Rugby League favourd at the momeny (that’s my opinion on it anyway).
If Union can figure out how to allow more space for teams to attack then it’s a pretty darn attractive game really.
The play is more unpredictable with more total range of skill sets and more opportunity for people of all builds to participate.
The issue is in getting more ‘action’ into the game and less kicking (in general play and at goal) and in removing the grey area at ruck time.
Woody Warambel said | November 19th 2009 @ 7:49am | Report comment
Matt
Having watched a tape of few of the old style RL matches when they had the contested scrums & I couldn’t help but notice how unstable those scrums were.
Do you think would be a problem if RU went to 6 person scrums?
Dean Pantio said | November 19th 2009 @ 8:26am | Report comment
No.
Yet another in the rich tradition of thought provoking articles. /sigh
PastHisBest said | November 19th 2009 @ 8:51am | Report comment
Ouch! The sarcasm…
It is thought provoking if you have a brain the size of a pea.