Why do we need two rugby teams in Melbourne?
By Junior, 19 Nov 2009 Junior is a Roar Pro
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This was reportedly the response when some Melburnians were asked how they felt when their city was awarded the latest Super rugby franchise. Not a great shock, it must be said.
The majority of “sports-lovers” in Melbourne can’t tell a scrum from a tackle. It’s only mildly surprising that they don’t stand during a lineout waiting for the national anthem to be piped in.
As much on-field success as Melbourne Storm has had in the NRL since it rose out of nothing, there is still no material grassroots support or decent junior league.
They are mostly supplanted Queenslanders who like playing and living in Melbourne because “it keeps them out of the spotlight”.
Granted rugby is played in the private schools in Melbourne from where a sprinkling of Wallabies have emerged (doubtless with ex-pat fathers), but will the new franchise be the success that John O’Neil keeps trumpeting?
Short answer is no.
Rugby in Australia is gasping for air. There are problems at all levels and the ARU believes the solution is to create another franchise to give the game a national reach.
It’s like having a child to rescue a flagging relationship. It ain’t gonna change nothin’.
The game is struggling to garner meaningful interest in its so-called home states. How many people would be devastated if all of a sudden the Waratahs and the Reds ceased to exist?
Not momentarily inconvenienced, but seriously devastated?
The dwindling rugby public in the eastern states would simply watch the NRL instead and perhaps secretly wonder why they didn’t think of this earlier.
As for the good burghers of Perth, if the Western Force vanished overnight it wouldn’t be long before they found something interesting to fill the time on a Saturday night.
Even in Perth.
The passion and loyalty demonstrated by NRL and AFL supporters is in stark contrast to this. We have seen the furore in the past when Super League threatened rugby league clubs’ survival. Souths were reinstated after an unprecedented groundswell of community support.
In the AFL, the Western Bulldogs and North Melbourne, the two smallest Victorian clubs in the league, have each fought to the death for survival. Again on the back of a dedicated and passionate supporter base.
You can’t buy passion Mr O’Neil. Put simply, people have to care.
If rugby is to maintain its niche status in Australia, there are serious issues that need to be addressed before a new franchise is even contemplated.
The list is not short but the ARU would do well to start with intense lobbying to overhaul the laws of the game. Even the rugby scribes agree that these antiquated decrees are choking the game.
A final thought.
The image on the John Eales medal depicts one of Australia’s most formidable and respected Wallaby captains. He isn’t soaring to win a lineout or diving to score a try or crunching an opponent in a tackle.
No, he’s on one knee lining up a place kick.
The game needs a Melbourne franchise about as much as it needs a five-point penalty goal.
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Blacky said | November 19th 2009 @ 3:24am | Report comment
This story line is getting old.
Melbourne has the 5th franchise and all those not happy about need to step back and deal with it.
The reason league has never worked in Melbourne is because it doesn’t have a base. Union does have a base in Melbourne to build on (as you have pointed out). In fact, Melbourne should have been given the 4th franchise ahead of Perth because of this existing support base. There are also many expat English, South African and Kiwis living in Melbourne whom I sure would go to the rugby matches, maybe not to support the home team but just to see some rugby. My father as an example moved to Victoria from Tweed Heads three years ago and has been complaining about not being able to see any rugby since he moved there. Now there is going to be a franchise he is already rubbing his hands in delight waiting to go and watch a match.
And to state that waratah and reds supportes wouldn’t be devastated if these clubs no longer existed shows that you have no idea about rugby in Australia besides what you read on news websites. There is a deep history behind these codes with a deep support base – larger than any of the other Australian rugby franchises. I for one am a waratahs supporter and I cannot stand rugby league as with many other rugby supporters.
It would be a cold day in hell before I turn to league for my sporting fix. I would rather pick my eyes out with a desert spoon or worse still………watch soccer.
MattRusty said | November 19th 2009 @ 7:04am | Report comment
I agree with some of your points Blacky – I have clients in NSW who love the Waratahs and my friends in Canberra are very passionate about the Brumbies. Junior, put your crystal ball away – you have no idea if the Super 15 team will work in Melbourne, no one does; but Melbourne has an amazing thirst for sport – that’s why I moved here; if 8 AFL clubs can survive, so can 2 football, 1 league and 1 union. One last point I disagree with you on Blacky, the Melbourne Storm may not have had a base 11 years ago when the club started, but it does now – just as passionate as any club. I attended the end of season ball – there were a lot of fans there, and the board of the Storm have some big plans in stall for the future. So play nicely kids, there’s plenty of room in the playground for all of us!
Cattledog said | November 19th 2009 @ 3:55am | Report comment
Blacky, agree with most of your post. Junior shows little understanding of the rugby ethos and although I would love to see a franchise hit the Gold Coast (it will in time), I really believe Melbourne will make a fist of it. It does have the base and because sport is such a part of the Melbourne culture (after all, that’s the only reason the Storm has weathered it) rugby wll grow, perhaps faster than we think, down there.
Whilst I’m not a great league supporter, I would try my best not to miss the State of Origin, if only for the passion shown. Wish Rugby had something similar! And as a Queenslander, like you and the Tahs, I would hate to see the Reds vanish…in fact I think the opposite will infact be the case!!
Picking your eyes out with a desert spoon, I can live with that, watching soccer…Blacky, that’s unethical!!
PastHisBest said | November 19th 2009 @ 6:14am | Report comment
Even the state of origin is a poor watered down version of what it used to be though CD.
Cattledog said | November 19th 2009 @ 4:09am | Report comment
Missed the 10 minute edit, but meant to comment that although Junior IMO misses the mark, he writes an enjoyable post worthy of debate.
Paley said | November 19th 2009 @ 4:26am | Report comment
I have been to see the Melbourne rugby team play when they have been in England, they hammered Saints. Hopefully when Melbourne play Leeds next year Leeds will give a good account of themselves.
crashy said | November 19th 2009 @ 5:28am | Report comment
nick-off Paley you grub. You seriously have issues you mungo
Paley said | November 19th 2009 @ 5:45am | Report comment
There’s no need to be abusive. If you believe my post is incorrect please state where. I have looked at it again and can see nothing wrong with it.
Matt said | November 19th 2009 @ 6:13am | Report comment
When did the Rebels play Northampton or Leeds?
Paley said | November 19th 2009 @ 7:03am | Report comment
Rebels? Who are they?
Nick P-G said | November 19th 2009 @ 3:29pm | Report comment
Perhaps he means Axemen on a tour?
His post doesn’t seem correct but I don’t see any humour in it either.
If it isn’t true he is merely trolling.
macavity said | November 19th 2009 @ 6:17am | Report comment
this website produces a wild over-inflation of Rugby’s importance.
Oh and Rugby fans hating RL is very much like the uglier, egotistical older brother hating his handsome younger brother who scores all the chicks.
Face it, most who play or have an interest in Rugby in Australia….. also love their league. It is only a diminishing band of self-important code warriors who hate the “mungos”…. and it would seem pretty much all of them frequent this site.
Justin said | November 19th 2009 @ 8:43am | Report comment
Complete rubbish mac. Most of my mates love rugby but the only league we watch is SOO and the GF (and thats just an excuse to have a beer).
Siva Samoa said | November 19th 2009 @ 8:50am | Report comment
thanks for that one eye comments mac but have visited any rugby league forums lately ? its like going into a kkk, neo-nazi, black panthers, al qaeda or hamas website. they hate rugby with passion over there and they have their own version of rugby history and why rugby league isn’t popular. its funny.
katzilla said | November 19th 2009 @ 6:18pm | Report comment
‘Oh and Rugby fans hating RL is very much like the uglier, egotistical older brother hating his handsome younger brother who scores all the chicks’
Its easy to score chicks when shes only 17, drunk and there’s 10 of you.
EDIT: Btw im one of those people who like to watch the league too. Your bait was just too tempting for me to pass up.
Dan said | November 20th 2009 @ 12:44pm | Report comment
There are plenty of League supporters who hate union Macavity. In fact I’d go so far as to say it’s the died in the wool league fans that are the more vitriolic of the two (ever hear Mark Guyer talk about Rugby? It’s far from flattering).
I personally love both games almost equally. I generally feel that a great game of union is about as good as it gets, being even better than a great league match, but that it is evened out by the fact that a bad game of league is never as bad as a bad union match… just my opinion.
PastHisBest said | November 19th 2009 @ 6:18am | Report comment
“The dwindling rugby public in the eastern states would simply watch the NRL instead and perhaps secretly wonder why they didn’t think of this earlier.”
This is either naive or stupid or both. ‘Junior’ what? Troll? Apologist?
I wouldn’t watch league…it’s like watching paint dry, over and over and over and over and over…talk about dumbing something down for the masses! It’s a game for 2 year-olds played by adults.
Siva Samoa said | November 19th 2009 @ 6:46am | Report comment
Problems in all level in Queensland NSW. There are more people now playing the game in all level in both states and the pacitipation and register numbers are up every year. Do your homework. Many Victorians knows who the Wallabies are compare to the rugby international team.
Chris said | November 19th 2009 @ 7:11am | Report comment
Ratings and attendances are down.
“Many Victorians knows who the Wallabies are compare to the rugby international team.”
- Right… I’ll take your word for it then.
Siva Samoa said | November 19th 2009 @ 7:51am | Report comment
You expect that when your teams are winning including the Wallabies. Stop been a one eye mate. The Wallabies brand is well known in Australia. Are you saying most Victorian think the Wallabies are a socer team ?
Siva Samoa said | November 19th 2009 @ 7:57am | Report comment
i must be still sleeping. i meant to say that fans won’t watch a teams that are not playing well including the wallabies.
Brian said | November 19th 2009 @ 9:01am | Report comment
Rugby intelligence
mitzter said | November 19th 2009 @ 6:58am | Report comment
macavity agree with you, i also believe most rugby fans are league fans as well just prefer the more intricacies in union.
The start of this article made me think of when i was in uni 10 years ago in canberra (which had a good mix of new south welshman and victorians alike) and i overheard some victorians say “God the nsw people are ignorant! why do they call the aussie rules club ‘the afl club’, we don’t call the rugby club ‘the nrl club’”
I had an awesome chuckle (there was only a union club at this time)
Firestarter Bob said | November 19th 2009 @ 8:44am | Report comment
Because the AFL is itself pushing that the sport be called ‘AFL” http://www.playafl.com.au/
Chris said | November 19th 2009 @ 7:05am | Report comment
A lot of people would be devestated if the Brumbies died, but most Queenslanders, and Vaucluse/Double Bay (yes I realise the Waratahs apparently represent NSW – but beyond these two suburbs its pretty limited) residents couldn’t care less about their respective teams.
Onceinawhile said | November 19th 2009 @ 7:35am | Report comment
You’re funny, Vaucluse/Double Bay= Rugby strongholds…………. LOL
rugbyfuture said | November 19th 2009 @ 12:29pm | Report comment
hunters hill and the north of sydney spreading from the parramatta river in the south to hornsby in the north and eastwood to manly going west from east thanks very much