Are you talking about Hiddink here or Craig Foster?

I know Pim will lead us to the WC but i think Guus is a better option if we had a chance to stanch him up then i would say take it.

In the end of the day my dream is to see the socceroos Win the WC in 2010 and although i think 2010/2014 are out of our reach if we get to host 2018 or 2020 i think we can do it but we need to do well in the world cup to spark interest from big leagues and big clubs around the world.

Australian players are cheap in comparason to anywhere else in the world and buying young players and training them to be good then selling them seems to be the big thing in football these days. ie Arsenal, Man U, barca all do it etc.

In turn more players going overseas will mean eventually they will come back home and lift the standard of the A-league. People dont realise the impact world Cup success has look at South Korea they have very good youth coming thought ever since Guus did his magic in 2002
its just a thought =)

I think other people would vouch that I’m not a fan of Pim Verbeek and that I’m not exactly happy with our style of play of the socceroos. I’m just saying that it isn’t all Pim’s fault and he does face greater challenges then what Guus had 4 years ago.

I just don’t think Pim should get all the blame.

Would we do better with Guus? probably, but I think that if Guus was still here, people would be complaining about the performance as well.

My personal opinion is it’s too late to change
First thing: Guus and Pim are probably friends. So it’s a moot point. Guus is not going to back stab pim unless’s there a huge wab of cash involve
2nd thing: The team gives me the impression that Pim is actually popular with the players. If PIm is sacked they could be internal problems that could be resulted from it.
3rd: Cost, pay off pims contract and pay off Guus hiddink
4th: It also gives a bad message. We complain so much about Dick Advocaat. Callilng him a mercernary and a backstabber. Well we would be doing the same thing. Why would any coach in the future want to be employed by us if we have a reputation of sacking coaches for getting the results that we hired them to . No one will want that lack of job security. We do not have a lot of money to attrack big name coaches. We are only really attractive in terms of working conditions. Sacking Pim like this may restrict the option of coaches we attract in the future.
5th: I could not think of a single occassion where someone who has sacked a coach after qualifying to the world cup and getting good results working. Like I mention before, both Togo and South Africa dismally failed after doing what we are thinking about Pim Verbeek.

Really, I didn’t support Pim appointment in the beginning (I thought Troussier was a better option). I was against the Dutch obsession. We really should have chosen Fabio Capello over dick Advocaat (Fabio Capello actually approaches FFA about the job)

However we made our choice, we stick with it thick through thin.

bring back Guus!!!

I admit though that under Pim, we haven’t been playing that fluently.

however lot of the reasons why we aren’t playing that fluently is unrelated to coaching ability

We have pretty much the same players but they are 4 years older. They are more slower then they were four years ago especially chipperfield, kewell, moore etc. The younger players bar Carney hasn’t stepped up and not playing regularly.

We don’t have Mark Viduka who played a critical role in the world cup and the Uruguay qualifiers in keeping possession and giving us fluency in attack (lack of mark Viduka is the main reason I believe there is a style debate under Pim Verbeek)

So yeah, there’s a lack of fluency under Pim Verbeek reign but how much is it his fault. Would Guus do any better? Possibly, however I don’t think we can blame all our problems on Pim Verbeek.

I honestly think if Guus took over the side now which is weaker then 4 years ago. He would have struggled to beat Uruguay over two legs as well.

If you Believe that if our squad would have qulified playing uruguay (the 5th ranked South American team) then you are inclined to say stick with PIM. Everyone Knows we would have failed to qualify at the finial Hurdle again as in ages pasted if pim was coach.

If you Agree or disgree your free to comment why?

Yes very emotional after Grosso dive, still hate him immensely, but I know most professionals would have taken the same route.

Even Lucas backed off on his “cheat’ remarks after the game. Let’s just get over it. The Olympics and other sports are full of drug cheats, Rugby had it’s premeditated “Bloodgate’ cheating scandal. There are a lot worse cheats in World sport than a bit of play acting to get a free kick or pen.

We chased russia/advocaat for 2million when he reneged on his contract w/o. what price wld Pim have? loss of potential earnings etc etc…. it might be more expensive to fire than to keep him.
can the FFA afford to be so disloyal? what effect on reputation?
anyway why wld Guus come back? money only… and after we paid off Pim and payrolled Guus (or whoever) how much wld the FFA have (seeing they are paying for 4 HAl teams etc).
he is also contracted to the russians until after 2010 – if they dont let him go and we approached him do we need to pay them off aswell?

youre kidding if you think he touched him at all…

grosso is a cheat but aust were appalling in the attacking third and hiddink did nothing about it…

When I was young, my junior coaches used to tell me that I should always stay on my feet when defending in the penalty area. If you go to ground and don’t get the ball then bad things can happen.

thats quite an accusation missy…

I am not going to be an aoplogist for Pimbo but although he isnt in the same levels as those you mentioned at the same time he has been involved in 2 previous WCs with Korea, Asian Cups and i/c of Dutch Antilles (no laughing). He is reasonably credentialled.

am not sure Fergie and jose show much maturity when they lose though. it’s always the refs fault. or the other side. it’s one thing to be able to back yourself, but it’s another to accept you may be wrong. these guys dont seem to have much humility in them. is it charisma or arrogance?

The payment for getting through this long and arduous process unscathed is having a first time senior coach at the finals. It is time for us to pay our dues.

Why is this detrimental to the WC? because we now have a team fashioned solely for the purpose of not losing as opposed to one that has been designed to win. As has been said before on this site….what are we going to do if we are down 2-0 at half time?