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		<title>By: Amband</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/22/wallabies-a-laughing-stock/#comment-262308</link>
		<dc:creator>Amband</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 05:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>too many Queenslanders in the side.  Forwards in the backline.  Selectors not selecting personnel well.

Get rid of the selectors and Dean.  I knew Alan Jones was the better choice.  Sadly not chosen.  Deans is the Arsene Wenger of rugby</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>too many Queenslanders in the side.  Forwards in the backline.  Selectors not selecting personnel well.</p>
<p>Get rid of the selectors and Dean.  I knew Alan Jones was the better choice.  Sadly not chosen.  Deans is the Arsene Wenger of rugby</p>
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		<title>By: Rab</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/22/wallabies-a-laughing-stock/#comment-254231</link>
		<dc:creator>Rab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 10:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr sherlock

Clown</description>
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<p>Clown</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Logan</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/22/wallabies-a-laughing-stock/#comment-253999</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Logan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 04:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No I don&#039;t! What&#039;s the Pippinu rule?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No I don&#8217;t! What&#8217;s the Pippinu rule?</p>
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		<title>By: Pippinu</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/22/wallabies-a-laughing-stock/#comment-253615</link>
		<dc:creator>Pippinu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 22:50:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Only comes into effect once we get over 800 posts!!  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only comes into effect once we get over 800 posts!!  <img src='http://www.theroar.com.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Brett McKay</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/22/wallabies-a-laughing-stock/#comment-253607</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett McKay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 22:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Loges, you do know about the Pippinu Rule, right??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loges, you do know about the Pippinu Rule, right??</p>
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		<title>By: Terry Kidd</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/22/wallabies-a-laughing-stock/#comment-253605</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry Kidd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 22:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Loges ... will the &#039;magic&#039; extend to getting the Wallabies up against Wales .... gee, I hope so cos I&#039;m not seeing too much magic in the backline .... an absolute glut of possession and they were totally directionless .... I blame Giteau for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Loges &#8230; will the &#8216;magic&#8217; extend to getting the Wallabies up against Wales &#8230;. gee, I hope so cos I&#8217;m not seeing too much magic in the backline &#8230;. an absolute glut of possession and they were totally directionless &#8230;. I blame Giteau for that.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Logan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Logan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 22:34:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok then. I&#039;ll do it.</description>
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		<title>By: Andrew Logan</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/22/wallabies-a-laughing-stock/#comment-253591</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Logan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 22:34:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone want to make one more comment to take this column over the magic 300 mark?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone want to make one more comment to take this column over the magic 300 mark?</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Royle</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/22/wallabies-a-laughing-stock/#comment-253432</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Royle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Football wise, I favour Australian Rules.  I watch other (usually only 10 minutes or so until I get bored with lack of action) codes&#039; matches on pay TV quite often. I saw the last 30 minutes or so of the Rugby Union test between Scotland and Australia. This was easily the most boring piece of so called football I&#039;ve ever seen. Football?, the ball is rarely kicked. The amount of &quot;dead ball&quot; time is excruciatingly high. Pileups, where nothing that appears to be furthering the outcome of the match are extremely unattractive and all too regular.  Forward passing is rarely adjudicated on, yet it seems to happen more often than not, and, in this match, passing (throwing) the ball at all, was a rarity.
   With the commentators muttering to each other,  their excitement levels low,  there seemed to be little point describing the match as play was either held up,  out of bounds or in one of those massive pile ups presumably as the Australians thought their extra strength and weight would further their cause, not to mention balls finding touch only for an ensuing and  seemingly contrived &quot;throw in&quot; or whatever they&#039;re called. 
   I sat there thinking to myself that this game of rugby, as inherently unattractive as it is to my eyes, needs a severe overhaul, as it must  surely die a natural death from (mainly) stoppages and scrums. One can&#039;t look away from an AFL game for more than a second or two without missing out on an important piece of play.
  You could make a highlights package of the recent test entirely of play making scenes and it would probably run for a few non skillful minutes. As someone emailed to this site mentioned that the Aussies should practise diving over the tryline with the ball. Is he kidding. I thought that comment pretty much summed up how much actual ball skills are required to play this game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Football wise, I favour Australian Rules.  I watch other (usually only 10 minutes or so until I get bored with lack of action) codes&#8217; matches on pay TV quite often. I saw the last 30 minutes or so of the Rugby Union test between Scotland and Australia. This was easily the most boring piece of so called football I&#8217;ve ever seen. Football?, the ball is rarely kicked. The amount of &#8220;dead ball&#8221; time is excruciatingly high. Pileups, where nothing that appears to be furthering the outcome of the match are extremely unattractive and all too regular.  Forward passing is rarely adjudicated on, yet it seems to happen more often than not, and, in this match, passing (throwing) the ball at all, was a rarity.<br />
   With the commentators muttering to each other,  their excitement levels low,  there seemed to be little point describing the match as play was either held up,  out of bounds or in one of those massive pile ups presumably as the Australians thought their extra strength and weight would further their cause, not to mention balls finding touch only for an ensuing and  seemingly contrived &#8220;throw in&#8221; or whatever they&#8217;re called.<br />
   I sat there thinking to myself that this game of rugby, as inherently unattractive as it is to my eyes, needs a severe overhaul, as it must  surely die a natural death from (mainly) stoppages and scrums. One can&#8217;t look away from an AFL game for more than a second or two without missing out on an important piece of play.<br />
  You could make a highlights package of the recent test entirely of play making scenes and it would probably run for a few non skillful minutes. As someone emailed to this site mentioned that the Aussies should practise diving over the tryline with the ball. Is he kidding. I thought that comment pretty much summed up how much actual ball skills are required to play this game.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob McGregor</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/22/wallabies-a-laughing-stock/#comment-253050</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob McGregor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why am I not surprised? In my earlier long post I raised the perception of culture and lack of pride in the old values. The me me me era is now so entrenched in the young, nothing short of a massive depression accompaning a huge financial demise of fiat currencies will make them rethink. Unfortunately this lesson is imminent. Once the pendulum swings too far it always swings back. 
Hopefully I will be a fly on the wall when it occurs as it is always great to live in interesting times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why am I not surprised? In my earlier long post I raised the perception of culture and lack of pride in the old values. The me me me era is now so entrenched in the young, nothing short of a massive depression accompaning a huge financial demise of fiat currencies will make them rethink. Unfortunately this lesson is imminent. Once the pendulum swings too far it always swings back.<br />
Hopefully I will be a fly on the wall when it occurs as it is always great to live in interesting times.</p>
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		<title>By: ohtani's jacket</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/22/wallabies-a-laughing-stock/#comment-253047</link>
		<dc:creator>ohtani's jacket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Deans can ride on the coattails of his Crusaders success forever?

If you sacked him, you could save four to five hundred thousand a year. That seems like a good enough incentive to me since he&#039;s shown no signs of improvement and his results are crap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Deans can ride on the coattails of his Crusaders success forever?</p>
<p>If you sacked him, you could save four to five hundred thousand a year. That seems like a good enough incentive to me since he&#8217;s shown no signs of improvement and his results are crap.</p>
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		<title>By: ohtani's jacket</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/22/wallabies-a-laughing-stock/#comment-253042</link>
		<dc:creator>ohtani's jacket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The All Blacks have struggled to counter attack this year and have adopted a more conservative territory and posession game. Until the Wallabies can control a Test match, they&#039;ll continue to lose more than they win. They&#039;re pretty much the equivalent of a puncher who can&#039;t win on points.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The All Blacks have struggled to counter attack this year and have adopted a more conservative territory and posession game. Until the Wallabies can control a Test match, they&#8217;ll continue to lose more than they win. They&#8217;re pretty much the equivalent of a puncher who can&#8217;t win on points.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Russell</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/22/wallabies-a-laughing-stock/#comment-252986</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 00:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with TT that Australia far from leads the way in terms of exports to European rugby (although the numbers would go up significantly if one counted ex-league players, e.g. Gower, Gasnier, Rooney), and this is conveniently forgotten by those (both administrators and journos) who constantly talk up Australia&#039;s overseas depth.

When London South Africans (aka Saracens) beat the Springboks the other day, I thought &quot;There&#039;s the players for South Africa&#039;s 6th S14 side&quot;. (Only problem is, they are the wrong skin color for the Southern Kings.)

Andrew - the murky world of being a player manager involves posting your client&#039;s CV far and wide, whether or not the player has asked for that. If you get a good bite, you then go to your player and say &quot;Hey, I know you didn&#039;t ask me to do this, but did you know I can get you a contract worth three times your current one with Biarritz?&quot; That&#039;s simply a manager doing his job. I am not in denial here, but I think you have to be realistic about the meaning of the information from your contact. The key point is going to be how many players actively asked their managers to investigate playing overseas. I have no idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with TT that Australia far from leads the way in terms of exports to European rugby (although the numbers would go up significantly if one counted ex-league players, e.g. Gower, Gasnier, Rooney), and this is conveniently forgotten by those (both administrators and journos) who constantly talk up Australia&#8217;s overseas depth.</p>
<p>When London South Africans (aka Saracens) beat the Springboks the other day, I thought &#8220;There&#8217;s the players for South Africa&#8217;s 6th S14 side&#8221;. (Only problem is, they are the wrong skin color for the Southern Kings.)</p>
<p>Andrew &#8211; the murky world of being a player manager involves posting your client&#8217;s CV far and wide, whether or not the player has asked for that. If you get a good bite, you then go to your player and say &#8220;Hey, I know you didn&#8217;t ask me to do this, but did you know I can get you a contract worth three times your current one with Biarritz?&#8221; That&#8217;s simply a manager doing his job. I am not in denial here, but I think you have to be realistic about the meaning of the information from your contact. The key point is going to be how many players actively asked their managers to investigate playing overseas. I have no idea.</p>
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		<title>By: True Tah</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/22/wallabies-a-laughing-stock/#comment-252959</link>
		<dc:creator>True Tah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 23:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew, losing for the 1st time in 25 years to Scotland is not something you would want on a Wallaby resume.

If these blokes reckon they can get a gig over in France good luck.  Already the FFR is looking to restrict the number of foreigners in their leagues, and if anything, they will probably look at getting Springboks and All Blacks. 

On a per game basis, the Wallaby players would have to be the richest in the world.

One thing I dont get is the argument that there are herds of Aussie rugby players starring on the rugby fields of Europe, and this is what the ARU is suggesting as one of the potential sources of players for Victoria S15.  I have looked at the team sheets and there are plenty of South Africans, Kiwis, Argentinians and Islanders, but relatively few Aussies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew, losing for the 1st time in 25 years to Scotland is not something you would want on a Wallaby resume.</p>
<p>If these blokes reckon they can get a gig over in France good luck.  Already the FFR is looking to restrict the number of foreigners in their leagues, and if anything, they will probably look at getting Springboks and All Blacks. </p>
<p>On a per game basis, the Wallaby players would have to be the richest in the world.</p>
<p>One thing I dont get is the argument that there are herds of Aussie rugby players starring on the rugby fields of Europe, and this is what the ARU is suggesting as one of the potential sources of players for Victoria S15.  I have looked at the team sheets and there are plenty of South Africans, Kiwis, Argentinians and Islanders, but relatively few Aussies.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry Kidd</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/22/wallabies-a-laughing-stock/#comment-252953</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry Kidd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 23:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mate, the idea must come from my ex-military past .... I was an infantry officer .... I can imagine how my platoons and companies would have performed if run by committee !!!!

Leadership groups are a load of bull !!!! Every group has a leader, human nature calls for it, and looks for it. Good leaders don&#039;t need co-captains or leaders because they know when to listen to opinions and they know when to be authoriative. Young people, including young inexperienced Wallabies, need to learn this simple fact of life .... just like some sports coaches need to learn it too. Every group has a pecking order .... but the captain, the general, is alone at the top !!!

Yes, I know he has flaws, and the occasional brain explosion, but I would allow Cooper to run the game without Giteau&#039;s interference, but under Elsom&#039;s leadership .... Elsom to confirm and enforce the decisions on game direction and everyone else to shut up, put their heads down, shoulders to the wheel and get their jobs done. Then lets see where this young and inexperienced side goes against Wales .... it would probably implode against the Boks or ABs or France (the hard heads) but against Wales it has the chance to soar .... and imagine the confidence that would breed !!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mate, the idea must come from my ex-military past &#8230;. I was an infantry officer &#8230;. I can imagine how my platoons and companies would have performed if run by committee !!!!</p>
<p>Leadership groups are a load of bull !!!! Every group has a leader, human nature calls for it, and looks for it. Good leaders don&#8217;t need co-captains or leaders because they know when to listen to opinions and they know when to be authoriative. Young people, including young inexperienced Wallabies, need to learn this simple fact of life &#8230;. just like some sports coaches need to learn it too. Every group has a pecking order &#8230;. but the captain, the general, is alone at the top !!!</p>
<p>Yes, I know he has flaws, and the occasional brain explosion, but I would allow Cooper to run the game without Giteau&#8217;s interference, but under Elsom&#8217;s leadership &#8230;. Elsom to confirm and enforce the decisions on game direction and everyone else to shut up, put their heads down, shoulders to the wheel and get their jobs done. Then lets see where this young and inexperienced side goes against Wales &#8230;. it would probably implode against the Boks or ABs or France (the hard heads) but against Wales it has the chance to soar &#8230;. and imagine the confidence that would breed !!!</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Logan</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/22/wallabies-a-laughing-stock/#comment-252949</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Logan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 23:17:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting footnote - I just spoke to a contact in France who is involved with a major professional club in the French Top 14. If you needed any further reason to be disillusioned with this Wallaby team - try this....

He reckons that they have had roughly 2/3 of the current Wallaby squad&#039;s CV&#039;s over their head coaches desk in the last 3-4 months, looking for opportunities post World Cup 2011. He said that most of the Australian coaches he knows in Europe have had the same experience.

The reality of the professional era - rugby loyalty and national pride as we used to know it is dead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting footnote &#8211; I just spoke to a contact in France who is involved with a major professional club in the French Top 14. If you needed any further reason to be disillusioned with this Wallaby team &#8211; try this&#8230;.</p>
<p>He reckons that they have had roughly 2/3 of the current Wallaby squad&#8217;s CV&#8217;s over their head coaches desk in the last 3-4 months, looking for opportunities post World Cup 2011. He said that most of the Australian coaches he knows in Europe have had the same experience.</p>
<p>The reality of the professional era &#8211; rugby loyalty and national pride as we used to know it is dead.</p>
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		<title>By: stillmissit</title>
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		<dc:creator>stillmissit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 23:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terry - Why would the Wallabies watch DVD&#039;s of some old (probably dead) Wallabies? They are too busy with Twitter and facebook anyway they building their own future, you must remember they are still very young and inexperienced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terry &#8211; Why would the Wallabies watch DVD&#8217;s of some old (probably dead) Wallabies? They are too busy with Twitter and facebook anyway they building their own future, you must remember they are still very young and inexperienced.</p>
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		<title>By: stillmissit</title>
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		<dc:creator>stillmissit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terry - Now you are getting it! 

This talk of a General has me worried though. Where did this idea come from? Dont you know that young people dont like or need Generals. They have a leadership group that they all belong to. DO NOT TRY TO TELL THEM WHAT TO DO. Come to that a suggestion is looked on with scorn and a pointer is simply laughed at.

Giteau is a fantastic member of the leadership group, I am starting to worry that you are really not getting it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terry &#8211; Now you are getting it! </p>
<p>This talk of a General has me worried though. Where did this idea come from? Dont you know that young people dont like or need Generals. They have a leadership group that they all belong to. DO NOT TRY TO TELL THEM WHAT TO DO. Come to that a suggestion is looked on with scorn and a pointer is simply laughed at.</p>
<p>Giteau is a fantastic member of the leadership group, I am starting to worry that you are really not getting it?</p>
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		<title>By: Terry Kidd</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/22/wallabies-a-laughing-stock/#comment-252927</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry Kidd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aw gee ... thanks Stillmissit ... I probably needed that eye opener .... obviously my rugby thinking is sooo brain dead that I can&#039;t see the new age for all the other old players standing in front of me shaking their heads and mumbling into their beer about lost opportunities or wrong options. Lol, maybe these guys should not study dvds of recent Welsh play at all this week and should simply watch dvd after dvd of Wallaby matches, yes, even defeats, of the last 20 years.

I just want somebody to step up and lead, to organise, to call the shots, to be the general .... and Giteau has shown he isn&#039;t the man ... so don&#039;t even put him on the field where he will just stuff it up ... again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aw gee &#8230; thanks Stillmissit &#8230; I probably needed that eye opener &#8230;. obviously my rugby thinking is sooo brain dead that I can&#8217;t see the new age for all the other old players standing in front of me shaking their heads and mumbling into their beer about lost opportunities or wrong options. Lol, maybe these guys should not study dvds of recent Welsh play at all this week and should simply watch dvd after dvd of Wallaby matches, yes, even defeats, of the last 20 years.</p>
<p>I just want somebody to step up and lead, to organise, to call the shots, to be the general &#8230;. and Giteau has shown he isn&#8217;t the man &#8230; so don&#8217;t even put him on the field where he will just stuff it up &#8230; again.</p>
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		<title>By: stillmissit</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/22/wallabies-a-laughing-stock/#comment-252904</link>
		<dc:creator>stillmissit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terry Kidd - You are just NOT on the front page of the New! New! thing. 

We kick for field position, passing and catching are sooooo! last season. 

Oh! and counter attacking and kick chasing is very passe, it burns a lot of aerobic fitness that we need for the last 5mins of the game, to try to win it, or try to save it.

Please get on the program and start to enjoy the spectacle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terry Kidd &#8211; You are just NOT on the front page of the New! New! thing. </p>
<p>We kick for field position, passing and catching are sooooo! last season. </p>
<p>Oh! and counter attacking and kick chasing is very passe, it burns a lot of aerobic fitness that we need for the last 5mins of the game, to try to win it, or try to save it.</p>
<p>Please get on the program and start to enjoy the spectacle.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry Kidd</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/22/wallabies-a-laughing-stock/#comment-252860</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry Kidd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry for the late comment on the game guys but I have been incommunicado while my doctor administered life saving care after I  collapsed into apolexia approximately 30 seconds after the full time siren. Nice article Andrew and pretty close to the mark.

The Blunder Bros ... nice touch .... did one of them even make it over the advantage line when carrying the ball?

Why oh why do the Wallaby backs continue to kick the ball? Please someone tell me why when they are hard on the attack in the oppositions 22 they put thru meaningless grubber kicks that immediately release pressure on the defence?

Wycliffe Palu was outstanding ... again. The remainder of the pack was good, except for the two locks. I can excuse Kepu&#039;s two dropped balls .... one was slammed into his chest at six inches range.

Outisde Genia, until you reached Hynes, and excluding ACC at the back, there was no backline .... and at 10 (including both Giteau and Cooper) there was no idea how to organise or use the backs.

With this current team Wales will win by 4. I would throw caution to the wind if I was Deans and revamp the team for the game as follows .....

The pack the same except Pocock for Smith and Mumm for Chisholm. Kepu to start and Dunning to bench if Robinson not fit.

The backs ....

Genia
Cooper
O&#039;Connor
Tyrone Smith
Hynes
Turner
ACC

Giteau, Burgess, Mitchell on bench.

Any back who kicks for any reason except to clear from within the 22 is to be fined his entire tour payments. Backs to learn to run the ball and come back to support unless the defensive line is shattered. Backs to learn to run to gaps and expect the ball, whether they get it or not.

Is this too much to ask? Am I as frustrated as all hell? Bloody oath I am !!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for the late comment on the game guys but I have been incommunicado while my doctor administered life saving care after I  collapsed into apolexia approximately 30 seconds after the full time siren. Nice article Andrew and pretty close to the mark.</p>
<p>The Blunder Bros &#8230; nice touch &#8230;. did one of them even make it over the advantage line when carrying the ball?</p>
<p>Why oh why do the Wallaby backs continue to kick the ball? Please someone tell me why when they are hard on the attack in the oppositions 22 they put thru meaningless grubber kicks that immediately release pressure on the defence?</p>
<p>Wycliffe Palu was outstanding &#8230; again. The remainder of the pack was good, except for the two locks. I can excuse Kepu&#8217;s two dropped balls &#8230;. one was slammed into his chest at six inches range.</p>
<p>Outisde Genia, until you reached Hynes, and excluding ACC at the back, there was no backline &#8230;. and at 10 (including both Giteau and Cooper) there was no idea how to organise or use the backs.</p>
<p>With this current team Wales will win by 4. I would throw caution to the wind if I was Deans and revamp the team for the game as follows &#8230;..</p>
<p>The pack the same except Pocock for Smith and Mumm for Chisholm. Kepu to start and Dunning to bench if Robinson not fit.</p>
<p>The backs &#8230;.</p>
<p>Genia<br />
Cooper<br />
O&#8217;Connor<br />
Tyrone Smith<br />
Hynes<br />
Turner<br />
ACC</p>
<p>Giteau, Burgess, Mitchell on bench.</p>
<p>Any back who kicks for any reason except to clear from within the 22 is to be fined his entire tour payments. Backs to learn to run the ball and come back to support unless the defensive line is shattered. Backs to learn to run to gaps and expect the ball, whether they get it or not.</p>
<p>Is this too much to ask? Am I as frustrated as all hell? Bloody oath I am !!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Knives Out</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/22/wallabies-a-laughing-stock/#comment-252745</link>
		<dc:creator>Knives Out</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;x Even with half a team out England must wonder how they lost to us!&#039;

Ahem, not really.

9 players from the starting xv: Sheridan, Mears, Vickery, Shaw, Easter, Ellis, Flutey, Tindall &amp; D.Armitage, and various subs - 25 players in total. That left England with a starting xv containing on average 22.4 caps playing against an Australian side with 35.06 caps per man. Allied to the fact that it was England&#039;s first game of the season against a hardened test outfit and one has to wonder how there was only two points difference up to the 72nd minute. That win was not a positive omen for Australia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;x Even with half a team out England must wonder how they lost to us!&#8217;</p>
<p>Ahem, not really.</p>
<p>9 players from the starting xv: Sheridan, Mears, Vickery, Shaw, Easter, Ellis, Flutey, Tindall &amp; D.Armitage, and various subs &#8211; 25 players in total. That left England with a starting xv containing on average 22.4 caps playing against an Australian side with 35.06 caps per man. Allied to the fact that it was England&#8217;s first game of the season against a hardened test outfit and one has to wonder how there was only two points difference up to the 72nd minute. That win was not a positive omen for Australia.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob McGregor</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/22/wallabies-a-laughing-stock/#comment-252726</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob McGregor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sheek,

You&#039;ve got the answer! Gotta be seen to be doing something. Even if it achieves nothing but a temporary high.
Reminds me of the old maxim: &quot;if in danger if in doubt, rush around in circles and scream and shout&quot;. Sure makes one feel better, but it achieved nothing. How come?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sheek,</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve got the answer! Gotta be seen to be doing something. Even if it achieves nothing but a temporary high.<br />
Reminds me of the old maxim: &#8220;if in danger if in doubt, rush around in circles and scream and shout&#8221;. Sure makes one feel better, but it achieved nothing. How come?</p>
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		<title>By: sheek</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/22/wallabies-a-laughing-stock/#comment-252719</link>
		<dc:creator>sheek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 12:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So OJ,

I agree..... let&#039;s sack Deans, &amp; replace him with, let&#039;s see..... ah, Michael Cheika.

Cheika&#039;s been doing wonderful things with Leinster, or is it Munster, over in Ireland. Outstanding provincial record.

Oh..... hang on a minute..... isn&#039;t that why the ARU selected Deans in the first place? Because of his outstanding provincial record with Canterbury?

Yeah, let&#039;s sack Deans anyway..... &quot;he floats like a duck, therefore he must be a witch!&quot; At least we&#039;ll feel better that we&#039;re doing something..........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So OJ,</p>
<p>I agree&#8230;.. let&#8217;s sack Deans, &amp; replace him with, let&#8217;s see&#8230;.. ah, Michael Cheika.</p>
<p>Cheika&#8217;s been doing wonderful things with Leinster, or is it Munster, over in Ireland. Outstanding provincial record.</p>
<p>Oh&#8230;.. hang on a minute&#8230;.. isn&#8217;t that why the ARU selected Deans in the first place? Because of his outstanding provincial record with Canterbury?</p>
<p>Yeah, let&#8217;s sack Deans anyway&#8230;.. &#8220;he floats like a duck, therefore he must be a witch!&#8221; At least we&#8217;ll feel better that we&#8217;re doing something&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: sheek</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/22/wallabies-a-laughing-stock/#comment-252713</link>
		<dc:creator>sheek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 12:16:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gatesy,

You weren&#039;t Saddam Hussein&#039;s spokesman, were you? You remember the guy - &quot;we&#039;ll smash the American infidel forces&quot;..... yeah, just as they were entering the outskirts of Baghdad, &amp; had the city surrounded.

Your optimism is unbounded &amp; uplifting.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gatesy,</p>
<p>You weren&#8217;t Saddam Hussein&#8217;s spokesman, were you? You remember the guy &#8211; &#8220;we&#8217;ll smash the American infidel forces&#8221;&#8230;.. yeah, just as they were entering the outskirts of Baghdad, &amp; had the city surrounded.</p>
<p>Your optimism is unbounded &amp; uplifting&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Cattledog</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/22/wallabies-a-laughing-stock/#comment-252659</link>
		<dc:creator>Cattledog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 09:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Andrew, close to 300 responses...Spiro&#039;s going to have to pull out something mighty controversial to get back in the groove!  Mind you, a good percentage was a couple of Poms trying to prove the pen was mightier than the sword!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Andrew, close to 300 responses&#8230;Spiro&#8217;s going to have to pull out something mighty controversial to get back in the groove!  Mind you, a good percentage was a couple of Poms trying to prove the pen was mightier than the sword!</p>
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		<title>By: Cattledog</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/22/wallabies-a-laughing-stock/#comment-252657</link>
		<dc:creator>Cattledog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 09:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems OME has just woken up and heard the bad news.  An appropriate response in this case!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems OME has just woken up and heard the bad news.  An appropriate response in this case!!</p>
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		<title>By: mcxd</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/22/wallabies-a-laughing-stock/#comment-252656</link>
		<dc:creator>mcxd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 09:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well said OME</description>
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		<title>By: johnny-boy</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/22/wallabies-a-laughing-stock/#comment-252600</link>
		<dc:creator>johnny-boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 07:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good comment OME</description>
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		<title>By: Uncle Eric</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/22/wallabies-a-laughing-stock/#comment-252582</link>
		<dc:creator>Uncle Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 06:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed it is Cookee!  Think about it, the ARU had a chance to build a second tier competition but didn&#039;t want to spend the pennies.  In the longer term it has to be better for Australian rugby, but I am concerned about the ARU&#039;s seeming lack of support for the code at a grass roots level.  The product is a good one, but the marketing of it has been extremely poor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed it is Cookee!  Think about it, the ARU had a chance to build a second tier competition but didn&#8217;t want to spend the pennies.  In the longer term it has to be better for Australian rugby, but I am concerned about the ARU&#8217;s seeming lack of support for the code at a grass roots level.  The product is a good one, but the marketing of it has been extremely poor.</p>
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