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	<title>Comments on: Where to for the Wallabies from here?</title>
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		<title>By: Parisien</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/23/where-to-for-the-wallabies-from-here/#comment-256512</link>
		<dc:creator>Parisien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 23:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I more or less agree with you Pete, although I would say there were only four really bad performances: South Africa in Perth, NZ in Wellington, and recently Ireland and Scotland, bad for different reasons, the last two for not putting away an opponent that really deserved to be put away by half time. The Wallabies played pretty well in all the other matches and the results could easily have gone the other way. The win over Wales gives me reason for cautious optimism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I more or less agree with you Pete, although I would say there were only four really bad performances: South Africa in Perth, NZ in Wellington, and recently Ireland and Scotland, bad for different reasons, the last two for not putting away an opponent that really deserved to be put away by half time. The Wallabies played pretty well in all the other matches and the results could easily have gone the other way. The win over Wales gives me reason for cautious optimism.</p>
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		<title>By: Parisien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Parisien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 23:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you OJ, most gracious of you. Hope you enjoyed the NZ victory too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you OJ, most gracious of you. Hope you enjoyed the NZ victory too.</p>
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		<title>By: Knives Out</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/23/where-to-for-the-wallabies-from-here/#comment-256490</link>
		<dc:creator>Knives Out</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 22:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we&#039;ve got crossed wires, but now that you mention it, yes. England have lacked maturity and composure during this AI, and last years AI. The 6N was very good, however - the best since 2003, and Johnson has injury excuses to hide behind at the moment. Next years 6N and 3N will be very informative for all parties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we&#8217;ve got crossed wires, but now that you mention it, yes. England have lacked maturity and composure during this AI, and last years AI. The 6N was very good, however &#8211; the best since 2003, and Johnson has injury excuses to hide behind at the moment. Next years 6N and 3N will be very informative for all parties.</p>
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		<title>By: Rickety Knees</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/23/where-to-for-the-wallabies-from-here/#comment-256486</link>
		<dc:creator>Rickety Knees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 22:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KO - getting consistantly good results. The Wallabies have lacked maturity and composure in their play, from your comment I am assuming that England have played similarly?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KO &#8211; getting consistantly good results. The Wallabies have lacked maturity and composure in their play, from your comment I am assuming that England have played similarly?</p>
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		<title>By: Knives Out</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/23/where-to-for-the-wallabies-from-here/#comment-256476</link>
		<dc:creator>Knives Out</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 22:25:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What problem is that, RK? Do you mean results?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What problem is that, RK? Do you mean results?</p>
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		<title>By: Rickety Knees</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rickety Knees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 22:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would seem that Martin Johnson has a similar problem. The Wallaby and English results are not dissimilar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would seem that Martin Johnson has a similar problem. The Wallaby and English results are not dissimilar.</p>
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		<title>By: Knives Out</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/23/where-to-for-the-wallabies-from-here/#comment-256470</link>
		<dc:creator>Knives Out</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 22:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, and why not be pleased? The win was a great finale to the season.

Incidentally, I&#039;d like to point out that this youth myth is just that, a myth. Australia has some young players but it certainly isn&#039;t overburdened with really young players. For example, when Australia played England England had 9 players aged 24 or younger and Australia had 8.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, and why not be pleased? The win was a great finale to the season.</p>
<p>Incidentally, I&#8217;d like to point out that this youth myth is just that, a myth. Australia has some young players but it certainly isn&#8217;t overburdened with really young players. For example, when Australia played England England had 9 players aged 24 or younger and Australia had 8.</p>
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		<title>By: Rickety Knees</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/23/where-to-for-the-wallabies-from-here/#comment-256464</link>
		<dc:creator>Rickety Knees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 22:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KO - I guess this result leaves me with the choice of whether the glass is half empty or half full. There certainly have been some low lights and I have been critical not so much of the players but the lack of Rugby infrastructure in Australia. This win by a very young side with little experence and the way it was executed  does offer hope for the future. For me right now the cup is half full.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KO &#8211; I guess this result leaves me with the choice of whether the glass is half empty or half full. There certainly have been some low lights and I have been critical not so much of the players but the lack of Rugby infrastructure in Australia. This win by a very young side with little experence and the way it was executed  does offer hope for the future. For me right now the cup is half full.</p>
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		<title>By: katzilla</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/23/where-to-for-the-wallabies-from-here/#comment-256426</link>
		<dc:creator>katzilla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 21:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>^ OJ speaks the truth.</description>
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		<title>By: johnny-boy</title>
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		<dc:creator>johnny-boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 21:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wallabies win 1 game in 10 ? - whoop de bloody do</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wallabies win 1 game in 10 ? &#8211; whoop de bloody do</p>
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		<title>By: ohtani's jacket</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/23/where-to-for-the-wallabies-from-here/#comment-256417</link>
		<dc:creator>ohtani's jacket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 21:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was a good win and I&#039;m glad it gave Wallaby supporters something to cheer about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was a good win and I&#8217;m glad it gave Wallaby supporters something to cheer about.</p>
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		<title>By: Knives Out</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/23/where-to-for-the-wallabies-from-here/#comment-256409</link>
		<dc:creator>Knives Out</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 21:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You might be right there, Pete. If you&#039;re feeling optimistic then don&#039;t watch the France v NZ game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might be right there, Pete. If you&#8217;re feeling optimistic then don&#8217;t watch the France v NZ game.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/23/where-to-for-the-wallabies-from-here/#comment-256407</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 21:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I&#039;m being optimistic... I probably would have looked at the season differently if Wales had won...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I&#8217;m being optimistic&#8230; I probably would have looked at the season differently if Wales had won&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Knives Out</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/23/where-to-for-the-wallabies-from-here/#comment-256405</link>
		<dc:creator>Knives Out</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 21:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you being serious? Only two bad performances?! I think we&#039;ll have to disagree. Nothing wrong with optimism of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you being serious? Only two bad performances?! I think we&#8217;ll have to disagree. Nothing wrong with optimism of course.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 21:01:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There were more than 2 good performances! I think there were only 2 bad performances. Many results could have gone either way. It was a good season, but not a great one. Heading towards 2011, I&#039;m pretty hapy with this squad.
A tough and long season:
31-8    Italy
34-12  Italy
22-6    France
16-22  New Zealand
17-29  South Africa
18-19  All Blacks
25-32  South Africa
21-6    South Africa
6-33    New Zealand
19-32  New Zealand
36-5   Gloucester
18-9   England
20-20 Ireland
8-9     Scotland
31-3   Cardiff
33-12 Wales</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There were more than 2 good performances! I think there were only 2 bad performances. Many results could have gone either way. It was a good season, but not a great one. Heading towards 2011, I&#8217;m pretty hapy with this squad.<br />
A tough and long season:<br />
31-8    Italy<br />
34-12  Italy<br />
22-6    France<br />
16-22  New Zealand<br />
17-29  South Africa<br />
18-19  All Blacks<br />
25-32  South Africa<br />
21-6    South Africa<br />
6-33    New Zealand<br />
19-32  New Zealand<br />
36-5   Gloucester<br />
18-9   England<br />
20-20 Ireland<br />
8-9     Scotland<br />
31-3   Cardiff<br />
33-12 Wales</p>
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		<title>By: Knives Out</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/23/where-to-for-the-wallabies-from-here/#comment-256383</link>
		<dc:creator>Knives Out</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 20:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RK, I&#039;m not being purposefully cynical here, but two good performances in a season can&#039;t be that good surely?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RK, I&#8217;m not being purposefully cynical here, but two good performances in a season can&#8217;t be that good surely?</p>
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		<title>By: Rickety Knees</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/23/where-to-for-the-wallabies-from-here/#comment-256381</link>
		<dc:creator>Rickety Knees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 20:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OJ the Wallabies just thumped Wales 4 tries to nil. So it is not that bad after all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OJ the Wallabies just thumped Wales 4 tries to nil. So it is not that bad after all.</p>
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		<title>By: Campbell Watts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Campbell Watts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jools

I think it&#039;s just the current ebb-and-flow of the game at present. Newly introduced rules have lead to teams realising that getting caught with possession inside your own half is courting danger. Hence they come up with tactics to avoid that (all this bloody kicking!). I just think SA put it into practice best and the rest of us struggled to combat it.

After watching France bash them into submission and defuse all their highballs I&#039;m hoping they have shown everone the blue-print to beating this game-plan. It may well have run its course and we&#039;ll see more running this next southern hemi season!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jools</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s just the current ebb-and-flow of the game at present. Newly introduced rules have lead to teams realising that getting caught with possession inside your own half is courting danger. Hence they come up with tactics to avoid that (all this bloody kicking!). I just think SA put it into practice best and the rest of us struggled to combat it.</p>
<p>After watching France bash them into submission and defuse all their highballs I&#8217;m hoping they have shown everone the blue-print to beating this game-plan. It may well have run its course and we&#8217;ll see more running this next southern hemi season!</p>
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		<title>By: ohtani's jacket</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/23/where-to-for-the-wallabies-from-here/#comment-253073</link>
		<dc:creator>ohtani's jacket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where do for the Wallabies from here? Stop living in a state of denial.

When you&#039;ve got people like Dwyer saying it can&#039;t be Deans&#039; fault because he was an excellent coach with the Crusaders, and Tim Horan saying the side is looking good for the 2011 WC, you&#039;re pretty much in denial. There&#039;s no honour in playing poorly now and pulling a fast one at the WC. That is not going to help Australian rugby in any real sense, it just gives the supporters something to hang onto until 2011. And as for Deans, history is repeating itself, only this time it&#039;s worse since Deans is head coach instead of an assistant. 

I sincerely hope the NZRU never let Robbie Deans within ten feet of the All Black coaching job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where do for the Wallabies from here? Stop living in a state of denial.</p>
<p>When you&#8217;ve got people like Dwyer saying it can&#8217;t be Deans&#8217; fault because he was an excellent coach with the Crusaders, and Tim Horan saying the side is looking good for the 2011 WC, you&#8217;re pretty much in denial. There&#8217;s no honour in playing poorly now and pulling a fast one at the WC. That is not going to help Australian rugby in any real sense, it just gives the supporters something to hang onto until 2011. And as for Deans, history is repeating itself, only this time it&#8217;s worse since Deans is head coach instead of an assistant. </p>
<p>I sincerely hope the NZRU never let Robbie Deans within ten feet of the All Black coaching job.</p>
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		<title>By: pothale</title>
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		<dc:creator>pothale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Because Cheika has an outstanding provincial record with Leinster, or is it Munster (one of them).&quot;

It can&#039;t be that outstanding if you don&#039;t know which province he manages.  And he has two good seasons - Magners winners and the H Cup last season.  Nothing to shout about in SH terms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Because Cheika has an outstanding provincial record with Leinster, or is it Munster (one of them).&#8221;</p>
<p>It can&#8217;t be that outstanding if you don&#8217;t know which province he manages.  And he has two good seasons &#8211; Magners winners and the H Cup last season.  Nothing to shout about in SH terms.</p>
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		<title>By: jools-usa</title>
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		<dc:creator>jools-usa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 15:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Campbell W
No way could I endorse current rugby.
Get more out of watching Man U, Chelsea, et al, via Setanta.
Seems there&#039;s a tendancy for backs to kick instead of penetrating &amp; saying:&quot;Ooh, don&#039;t tackle me .......I&#039;ve kicked!&#039;
Spare me!
Jools-USA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Campbell W<br />
No way could I endorse current rugby.<br />
Get more out of watching Man U, Chelsea, et al, via Setanta.<br />
Seems there&#8217;s a tendancy for backs to kick instead of penetrating &amp; saying:&#8221;Ooh, don&#8217;t tackle me &#8230;&#8230;.I&#8217;ve kicked!&#8217;<br />
Spare me!<br />
Jools-USA</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 12:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eddie Jones lost Ben Darwin at the WC in 2003. He was the rock of our scrum. It took until 2005 for it to really fall apart, but with just Baxter and Dunning as &#039;cattle&#039;, then what other options were there?

In 2004 the Wallabies were an incredible side. They started 2005 looking just as menacing. What happened next? Gregan and Larkham both Injured. Ditto Rathbone and Mortlock playing matches while not fully fit. If memory serves, there were other notable injuries too.

This culminates in Rogers being played at 10. Thats how low our stocks were. The result? A poor season. Absolutely no depth. Jones is sacked.

In 2009 Deans puts in a far worse performance - but his assistants are to blame and not him?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eddie Jones lost Ben Darwin at the WC in 2003. He was the rock of our scrum. It took until 2005 for it to really fall apart, but with just Baxter and Dunning as &#8216;cattle&#8217;, then what other options were there?</p>
<p>In 2004 the Wallabies were an incredible side. They started 2005 looking just as menacing. What happened next? Gregan and Larkham both Injured. Ditto Rathbone and Mortlock playing matches while not fully fit. If memory serves, there were other notable injuries too.</p>
<p>This culminates in Rogers being played at 10. Thats how low our stocks were. The result? A poor season. Absolutely no depth. Jones is sacked.</p>
<p>In 2009 Deans puts in a far worse performance &#8211; but his assistants are to blame and not him?</p>
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		<title>By: Hansie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hansie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 12:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The trouble is that JON has already absolved himself from blame.  He&#039;s publicly stated that the ARU is doing everything possible for the team.  Pathetic, given that he is the first to claim credit for Wallaby success.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The trouble is that JON has already absolved himself from blame.  He&#8217;s publicly stated that the ARU is doing everything possible for the team.  Pathetic, given that he is the first to claim credit for Wallaby success.</p>
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		<title>By: westy</title>
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		<dc:creator>westy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 11:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Growden said in the SMH the ARU player wages bill is 27 million. I think a difference at the moment is that the competitive pressure for positions in squads for Australian super 14 teams is not as strong as in SA and NZ yet the wages are as good if not better.  The 10 foreign player entitlement of the proposed  Melbourne team will last much longer than currently anticipated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Growden said in the SMH the ARU player wages bill is 27 million. I think a difference at the moment is that the competitive pressure for positions in squads for Australian super 14 teams is not as strong as in SA and NZ yet the wages are as good if not better.  The 10 foreign player entitlement of the proposed  Melbourne team will last much longer than currently anticipated.</p>
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		<title>By: johnny-boy</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/23/where-to-for-the-wallabies-from-here/#comment-252702</link>
		<dc:creator>johnny-boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 11:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RK - I fully agree with your thoughts re the Waratahs.  A criminal waste of talent.  The new guy is just as dumb as the old guy.  I don&#039;t buy the lack of talent due to no national competition tho.  NZ has a great &#039;factory&#039; but hasn&#039;t won the world cup for a long long time.  Australia can hold it&#039;s own on its current system, it&#039;s just that it&#039;s had a bad run of coaches since Eddie Jones got too big for his boots.  Australia could actually also put together a fantastic coaching team.  I would appoint Bob Dwyer as skills coach, Alan Jones as motivator and Rod Macqueen as head and tactician.  I mention Macqueen as I read he was thinking of putting his hand up for the Melbourne franchise.  Come on down Rod - your country needs you !
I dont think MacKenzie, Mitchell or that McKenzie clone in NSW (whats his name ?) could offer anything exciting.  Maybe the Friend dude in the ACT has something to offer.  Lets see how his season pans out.   Mollycoddling Deans is just perpetutatng the myth he is a great coach.  Agreat caoch would not have taken the Wallabies so low.  Only a grossly overrated (by myself included previously) coach would.  Stop kidding yourselves.  I have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RK &#8211; I fully agree with your thoughts re the Waratahs.  A criminal waste of talent.  The new guy is just as dumb as the old guy.  I don&#8217;t buy the lack of talent due to no national competition tho.  NZ has a great &#8216;factory&#8217; but hasn&#8217;t won the world cup for a long long time.  Australia can hold it&#8217;s own on its current system, it&#8217;s just that it&#8217;s had a bad run of coaches since Eddie Jones got too big for his boots.  Australia could actually also put together a fantastic coaching team.  I would appoint Bob Dwyer as skills coach, Alan Jones as motivator and Rod Macqueen as head and tactician.  I mention Macqueen as I read he was thinking of putting his hand up for the Melbourne franchise.  Come on down Rod &#8211; your country needs you !<br />
I dont think MacKenzie, Mitchell or that McKenzie clone in NSW (whats his name ?) could offer anything exciting.  Maybe the Friend dude in the ACT has something to offer.  Lets see how his season pans out.   Mollycoddling Deans is just perpetutatng the myth he is a great coach.  Agreat caoch would not have taken the Wallabies so low.  Only a grossly overrated (by myself included previously) coach would.  Stop kidding yourselves.  I have.</p>
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		<title>By: mungo</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/23/where-to-for-the-wallabies-from-here/#comment-252701</link>
		<dc:creator>mungo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 11:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some Medals which should be considered for the next annual wallaby function
1) Most consistent Aimless Kick award (toss up AAC/Gits/Cooper) 
2) High jump award (Cooper)
3) Best Impersonation of Abbot and Costello award (Horwill/Chisolm)
4) Foot in Mouth Sean Fitzpatrick  Award (Chisolm &quot;This Wallaby team is on the verge of Greatness&quot;)
5) Best Actor for 2009 ( Gits, brilliantly looking shattered after missing that kick)
6) Who you would like to punch in the head most award (Rocky Elsom for giving the ball to Gits to convert every penalty)
7) Best kept secret award ( Gits is Robbies son)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some Medals which should be considered for the next annual wallaby function<br />
1) Most consistent Aimless Kick award (toss up AAC/Gits/Cooper)<br />
2) High jump award (Cooper)<br />
3) Best Impersonation of Abbot and Costello award (Horwill/Chisolm)<br />
4) Foot in Mouth Sean Fitzpatrick  Award (Chisolm &#8220;This Wallaby team is on the verge of Greatness&#8221;)<br />
5) Best Actor for 2009 ( Gits, brilliantly looking shattered after missing that kick)<br />
6) Who you would like to punch in the head most award (Rocky Elsom for giving the ball to Gits to convert every penalty)<br />
7) Best kept secret award ( Gits is Robbies son)</p>
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		<title>By: sheek</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/23/where-to-for-the-wallabies-from-here/#comment-252684</link>
		<dc:creator>sheek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 09:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WB,

No two situations are entirely alike. You have to remember that both Jones &amp; Connolly had extremely experienced, &amp; largely settled (TOO settled) teams under their control.

Robbie Deans has had to rebuild the team, bringing in a lot of new blood. Look, I&#039;m not exempting Deans at all, It&#039;s just that I believe the major problems lie elsewhere in this situation.

Let&#039;s conduct a very quick exercise - let&#039;s sack Deans &amp; replace him with Michael Cheika. Why? Because Cheika has an outstanding provincial record with Leinster, or is it Munster (one of them).

Oh..... hang on a minute..... wasn&#039;t that why we picked Deans as Wallaby coach in the first place? Because of his outstanding provincial record with Canterbury???

So you see, the solutions to current problems is not so straight forward &amp; we might like them to be..........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WB,</p>
<p>No two situations are entirely alike. You have to remember that both Jones &amp; Connolly had extremely experienced, &amp; largely settled (TOO settled) teams under their control.</p>
<p>Robbie Deans has had to rebuild the team, bringing in a lot of new blood. Look, I&#8217;m not exempting Deans at all, It&#8217;s just that I believe the major problems lie elsewhere in this situation.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s conduct a very quick exercise &#8211; let&#8217;s sack Deans &amp; replace him with Michael Cheika. Why? Because Cheika has an outstanding provincial record with Leinster, or is it Munster (one of them).</p>
<p>Oh&#8230;.. hang on a minute&#8230;.. wasn&#8217;t that why we picked Deans as Wallaby coach in the first place? Because of his outstanding provincial record with Canterbury???</p>
<p>So you see, the solutions to current problems is not so straight forward &amp; we might like them to be&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/23/where-to-for-the-wallabies-from-here/#comment-252645</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 08:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Jones and Deans stories are poles apart. Jones had fantastic players (Gregan, Larkham, Latham, Vickerman etc) at his disposal but a play book that was too complex and structured. He picked small mobile forwards in the hope that the scrum would become irrelevant in Union and our mobile pack would run the &#039;plodders&#039; off the park. End result, we lost the skills of scrummaging and became the joke of the world rugby. It’s taken us a long time to get those skills back and gain respect.

His back line moves at the Brumbies were very clever, but became more and more complex at the national level and in the end impractical and predictable. Players lost their attacking flare and forgot to play the game as they saw it. You could guess what they were doing. I believe that Giteau&#039;s current woes are attributed to his formative professional rugby years being &#039;scripted&#039; in this complex environment. He is now trying to regain the flare that brought him to everyone&#039;s attention in the first place.

In the Jones era players became &quot;the power brokers&quot;. Jones&#039;s playing system was too complex for those outside the Jones sphere to break into and understand easily. So we were stuck with players like Gregan well past their peak. Complex playing systems were in vogue so the local super franchises attempted to copy the national &#039;style&#039; and the Australian rugby &#039;style&#039; started down the road of complex predictability. Jones is a brilliant Rugby strategist (Jake White recognised this), but this didn&#039;t translate into good coaching.

Connolly had no chance to succeed. He inherited a dog’s breakfast with no time to turn it around before the RWC, but in truth he didn&#039;t help himself. He farmed the coaching out to his assistants who jostled for power. He kept the established players because there was no time to blood new talent. Barnes being the standout exception.

Deans has come in to fix up the mess we are in, but I don&#039;t think even he saw it for what it was. He is attempting to completely overhaul Australian Rugby. He (with JONs blessing) has removed the player &#039;power brokers&#039; and now he is teaching the players to feel the game rather than read a script. 

Unfortunately the players aren&#039;t responding well, and this is what has Deans frustrated. The players will get there; it’s just a matter of time. But will this time come before the RWC is the million dollar question. Some are arguing that under Dean’s reign we have gone backwards, but this is the pain we need to endure for a successful future. Even if we do well at the RWC (and I believe we will), Deans job isn&#039;t over. There is more he needs to do revolutionise Australian rugby. His playing philosophies need to filter down into every crevice of Australian Rugby &quot;The coach is king, rugby is simple and play what is in front of you&quot;. After 4 years of pain and change, someone else will come in and try to stamp their mark and we will start all over again. We’ve gone done this path, we need to see it to the end. Lesser men than Deans would have walked away and given up by now. 

Someone mentioned to me that Deans is too proud to leave Australian rugby in a worse state than what he took it over in, so I hope that post 2011 Deans stays on to complete the bold road to rebuilding Australian Rugby. 

So the parallels between Deans and Jones are non existent. Jones sent Australian Rugby back after the great Macqueen era. Deans is putting us through a huge amount of pain to get us back on track. It’s just taking a lot longer than we thought and hoped.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Jones and Deans stories are poles apart. Jones had fantastic players (Gregan, Larkham, Latham, Vickerman etc) at his disposal but a play book that was too complex and structured. He picked small mobile forwards in the hope that the scrum would become irrelevant in Union and our mobile pack would run the &#8216;plodders&#8217; off the park. End result, we lost the skills of scrummaging and became the joke of the world rugby. It’s taken us a long time to get those skills back and gain respect.</p>
<p>His back line moves at the Brumbies were very clever, but became more and more complex at the national level and in the end impractical and predictable. Players lost their attacking flare and forgot to play the game as they saw it. You could guess what they were doing. I believe that Giteau&#8217;s current woes are attributed to his formative professional rugby years being &#8217;scripted&#8217; in this complex environment. He is now trying to regain the flare that brought him to everyone&#8217;s attention in the first place.</p>
<p>In the Jones era players became &#8220;the power brokers&#8221;. Jones&#8217;s playing system was too complex for those outside the Jones sphere to break into and understand easily. So we were stuck with players like Gregan well past their peak. Complex playing systems were in vogue so the local super franchises attempted to copy the national &#8217;style&#8217; and the Australian rugby &#8217;style&#8217; started down the road of complex predictability. Jones is a brilliant Rugby strategist (Jake White recognised this), but this didn&#8217;t translate into good coaching.</p>
<p>Connolly had no chance to succeed. He inherited a dog’s breakfast with no time to turn it around before the RWC, but in truth he didn&#8217;t help himself. He farmed the coaching out to his assistants who jostled for power. He kept the established players because there was no time to blood new talent. Barnes being the standout exception.</p>
<p>Deans has come in to fix up the mess we are in, but I don&#8217;t think even he saw it for what it was. He is attempting to completely overhaul Australian Rugby. He (with JONs blessing) has removed the player &#8216;power brokers&#8217; and now he is teaching the players to feel the game rather than read a script. </p>
<p>Unfortunately the players aren&#8217;t responding well, and this is what has Deans frustrated. The players will get there; it’s just a matter of time. But will this time come before the RWC is the million dollar question. Some are arguing that under Dean’s reign we have gone backwards, but this is the pain we need to endure for a successful future. Even if we do well at the RWC (and I believe we will), Deans job isn&#8217;t over. There is more he needs to do revolutionise Australian rugby. His playing philosophies need to filter down into every crevice of Australian Rugby &#8220;The coach is king, rugby is simple and play what is in front of you&#8221;. After 4 years of pain and change, someone else will come in and try to stamp their mark and we will start all over again. We’ve gone done this path, we need to see it to the end. Lesser men than Deans would have walked away and given up by now. </p>
<p>Someone mentioned to me that Deans is too proud to leave Australian rugby in a worse state than what he took it over in, so I hope that post 2011 Deans stays on to complete the bold road to rebuilding Australian Rugby. </p>
<p>So the parallels between Deans and Jones are non existent. Jones sent Australian Rugby back after the great Macqueen era. Deans is putting us through a huge amount of pain to get us back on track. It’s just taking a lot longer than we thought and hoped.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff Pereira</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/23/where-to-for-the-wallabies-from-here/#comment-252627</link>
		<dc:creator>Geoff Pereira</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 08:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Saffer i&#039;m not even going to try and add my tuppence as to why Aussie Rugby is in a shambles right now but this I will say - Money as an incentive has destroyed the game of Rugby in general. It was interesting to read about using game fees as a means of instilling passion in players and believe me as a Golden Lions supporter, I have oft played that tune. The problem is that if this approach were taken then all of the Rugby world should adopt the same approach because its a guarantee that if the Aissies do it in isolation, they will end up loosing all their capable players to unions and countries that dont adopt it. The reason being that money has been allowed to become more important than price. I often sit back and regret the day that Rugby became a professional sport but I guess that&#039;s just old fashioned sentiment and reality pays the bills. 

Don&#039;t get me wrong i feel anybody with talent should be free to earn an income from it but I believe it should not be enough to supercede pure desire and pride - that&#039;s where the breakdown happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Saffer i&#8217;m not even going to try and add my tuppence as to why Aussie Rugby is in a shambles right now but this I will say &#8211; Money as an incentive has destroyed the game of Rugby in general. It was interesting to read about using game fees as a means of instilling passion in players and believe me as a Golden Lions supporter, I have oft played that tune. The problem is that if this approach were taken then all of the Rugby world should adopt the same approach because its a guarantee that if the Aissies do it in isolation, they will end up loosing all their capable players to unions and countries that dont adopt it. The reason being that money has been allowed to become more important than price. I often sit back and regret the day that Rugby became a professional sport but I guess that&#8217;s just old fashioned sentiment and reality pays the bills. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong i feel anybody with talent should be free to earn an income from it but I believe it should not be enough to supercede pure desire and pride &#8211; that&#8217;s where the breakdown happens.</p>
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		<title>By: Campbell Watts</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/23/where-to-for-the-wallabies-from-here/#comment-252616</link>
		<dc:creator>Campbell Watts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 07:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes Jools - but they are very good at it, have the players to make it work and perform it with precision.

You cant be advocating the Waratahs/Wallabies continue with the mundane and pathetic play of this/last season can you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Jools &#8211; but they are very good at it, have the players to make it work and perform it with precision.</p>
<p>You cant be advocating the Waratahs/Wallabies continue with the mundane and pathetic play of this/last season can you?</p>
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