Deans must drop Giteau for Wales game
By LeftArmSpinner, 25 Nov 2009 LeftArmSpinner is a Roar Guru
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Robbie Deans must put aside the protected species that we know as Matt Giteau and drop him for the upcoming Wales game. The basis for this decision is poor form, poor decision-making, and a sloppy goalkicking technique.
Giteau’s performance, in the light of his overt, public desire for the greatest responsibilities was poor. Coupled with the team’s success in giving him more than enough “raw ingredients” with which to bake a victory, he failed to deliver, and that is the principle reason for the defeat.
As the playmaker (60 percent of possession and territory), goalkicker (four goals well within range), one of three or four senior players, the most experienced back on the field, and Vice Captain, he was always going to be either hero or villain.
Matthew Giteau is sportsman, and as such, is only as good as his last game, not a protected species.
The vast majority of sportsmen suffer the humiliation of being dropped. The best bounce back and are better players because of it.
Robbie Deans has progressively sacrificed every sacred cow except Matt Giteau.
The backline for Wales should be:
9 Genia
10 Cooper
11 Hynes
12 O’Connor
13 Ioane
14 Mitchell
15 AAC
with Burgess, Giteau and Beale on the bench.
OR
If the coaches believe that new combinations will gel sufficiently in a week:
9 Genia
10 Cooper
11 Turner
12 O’Connor
13 AAC
14 Ioane
15 Hynes
with Burgess, Giteau and Beale on the bench
This second and much bolder backline transitions from the current one to the best one. The next back line after Wales should be:
9 Genia
10 Barnes
12 O’Connor
13 AAC
11 Ioane
14 Hynes
15 Cooper
Bench would be Burgess, Giteau and Turner.
The logic for this:
Genia attacking, kicking and defending option: never gives up
Barnes playmaker, kicker defender: never gives up
O’Connor attacker close to the ball, great foot work, good defender, will play S14 in 2010 at 12 so why change him: never gives up
AAC most experienced of a young back line so needed nearer to the action, excellent in attack, defence and kicking: never gives up
Ioane quick elusive and strong winger who can slot into back line at 13 when moves are on or during multi phase play: never gives up
Hynes, Quick and strong and another fullback never gives up.
Cooper Good kicker, elusive broken field runner, great pass when he comes into the line: and (YOU GUESSED IT) never gives up.
The “never gives up” is demonstrated in different ways on the field in the ferocity of their play (such as Hynes’ tackling, AAC’s driving runs to the try line with three defenders on him) or O’Connor keeping trying things when he was having a shocker against the All Blacks this year or Quade Cooper reining in his wild child behaviour and growing throughout this tour.
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November 25th 2009 @ 8:30am
Rickety Knees said | November 25th 2009 @ 8:30am | Report comment
Leftie – like you I am over Giteau at 10. My backline would be
9 Genia
10 Cooper
12 O’Conner (goal kicker)
13 AAC
11Turner
14 Ioane
15 Hynes
Res Kingi, Beale, Giteau
November 25th 2009 @ 9:03am
pothale said | November 25th 2009 @ 9:03am | Report comment
From these unbiased eyes, looks like Cooper’s your man for 10 – much better than Giteau.
November 25th 2009 @ 9:48am
Rickety Knees said | November 25th 2009 @ 9:48am | Report comment
Pothole – did you watch th Cardiff game?
November 25th 2009 @ 8:56am
Jay said | November 25th 2009 @ 8:56am | Report comment
Cooper over Giteau? are you guys serious? Wasn’t it Cooper who bombed a try against the scots – should have just gone through the hand instead of a cut-out ball… He is not cut up for the number 10 – neither is Beale. The only option that remotely comes close to a quality 10 is Barnes and even he is better suited to 12 in my opinion.
For all the Giteau lacks at the moment, there currently isnt a quality fly half as a replacement. One of the things the wallabies have lacked is a stable team line up. Too often Deans has chopped and changed and it has shown in the performance.
What the wallabies need to do is get back to a kicking and terrority game. Play for penalities. I know this may not be pretty, but at the end of the day, this is what you need to do to win test matches. The forwards also have been poor which has a big impact on a fly half ability to dominate a game. The goal kicking is a problem – but drop Gietau and who’s going to kick goals?
The shining light for this international season has definatley been Genia. But if you drop Gietau (or let him take up the $$ in France) you better expect more inconsistent results from the Wallabies.
November 25th 2009 @ 9:07am
Harry said | November 25th 2009 @ 9:07am | Report comment
I’d take inconsistent results over 2 wins from 10 Jay.
November 25th 2009 @ 9:46am
Rickety Knees said | November 25th 2009 @ 9:46am | Report comment
O’Conner kicked 5 out of 5 against Cardiff and Cooper replaced Toomea after 2 minutes – they managed 4 tries with Cooper playing at 10 – this would not have gone unnoticed by Deans.
November 25th 2009 @ 11:29am
LeftArmSpinner said | November 25th 2009 @ 11:29am | Report comment
Rickety, particulalry as he is formally the backs coach!!!
November 28th 2009 @ 1:27pm
Red Rooster said | November 28th 2009 @ 1:27pm | Report comment
Playing against Cardiff B who are near the bottom of the Magners League – Not too much kudos please
November 25th 2009 @ 11:33am
LeftArmSpinner said | November 25th 2009 @ 11:33am | Report comment
jay, giteau’s idea of running a back line play is the fly half running a crash ball!!
November 25th 2009 @ 9:42am
cookie said | November 25th 2009 @ 9:42am | Report comment
I concur…
It will either make him realise he isn’t bigger than the team and then he’ll pull his finger out…
OR
He’ll sulk and whine (guaranteed) then push for Deans to be sacked and if that doesn’t happen he’ll run off to Europe.
I believe we are at the beginning of a big generational shift….
The backline of the future will evolve around….
Barnes
O’Connor
Horne
Cooper
Hynes
Ioane
Beale
Turner
AAC assuming he is younger than i think he is…
It will be a strange generation for Aust rugby when we’ll have not a makeshift 5/8 or only 1 5/8 but a choice of 3… in Barnes, Cooper, Beale… When was the last time we had depth in that position? I’m not saying it’s there yet but certainly in the making….
November 25th 2009 @ 11:10am
Joh4Canberra said | November 25th 2009 @ 11:10am | Report comment
Assuming Beale stays in the union game that is. We may have some trouble keeping him in the longer term. At some stage he may want to go back to his childhood game of league even if it means taking a pay cut. Players are free agents. You can’t force them to do something they don’t want to do.
Another point: While player depth is obviously good for the Wallabies there is a downside to it, namely that you run the risk of losing good players who can’t crack a Wallabies XV (or 22). If you have 3 world class five-eighths in the country what would you do if you were the number 2 or 3 world class 5/8? Play in Australia for a lot less than you could earn overseas and have a theoretical chance of making the Wallabies but not actually make it on a regular basis or go and play overseas for a lot more than you can earn in Australia, not make the Wallabies — but possibly qualify for another test team either through ancestry or residency (you only need three years which is not that long in the scheme of things!)? And if the no.3 player does go overseas after not being able to make it into the Wallabies and then 1 and 2 either get injured or suffer a form slump no. 3 is no longer available for the Wallabies and we blame it on a lack of “player depth” in Australian rugby when in actual fact the system is set up not to retain quality players on the fringe of the Wallabies 15/22.
Australian rugby league doesn’t have this problem because (1) the NRL is the best comp in the world for rugby league, we have pommies wanting to come and play in the NRL cos it’s superior footy than what they’ve got over there, (2) despite the fact that English league clubs can offer more money than Australian clubs the pay differential in RL is not that great in the scheme of things and nowhere near as great as what we’re currently seeing in union (esp. French RU but things are starting to change in France and the seriously big money we’ve been seeing recently won’t be on offer there for ever) and (3) RL is dominated by club games rather than international games anyway. Being selected to play for the Kangaroos might be a nice honour but missing out on selection for the Kangaroos is never going to force a player away from the NRL to foreign rugby league! But with rugby union things are different. If you’re a good player but can’t crack the Wallabies then I can think of several good reasons. Bloody oath, if I was a top rugby player I would love to be played millions to do it on the French Riviera and go an experience a different side of life rather than sticking it out in the same suburban Sydney/Brissie/Melbourne/Canberra/Perth you grew up with. With an extended Super 15 season and a new national comp the incentives to stay in Australia will be increased, but you will never eliminate players going overseas if there is no spot for them with the Wallabies.
November 25th 2009 @ 11:53am
Aljay said | November 25th 2009 @ 11:53am | Report comment
Good point – any doubters see the Wallabies circa 2004-5 during Larkham’s injuries when players such as Rogers and I think even Gerrard played 5/8 during the Tri-nations, while Manny Edmonds was busy being the best in Europe.
November 25th 2009 @ 1:44pm
True Tah said | November 25th 2009 @ 1:44pm | Report comment
Joh
Beale would need to work on his defence if he wanted to make it in the NRL.
I think Beale wants to get himself into a No. 10 Wallaby jersey.
November 25th 2009 @ 9:47am
MM said | November 25th 2009 @ 9:47am | Report comment
An article which is clearly promulgated by wisdom!
Giteau has received an abundance of praise far too soon that is healthy so as not to become ego-centric – which unfortunately he has. Is he playing the ball or through his blatant actions and reactions being a true “wannabe” under the spotlight?
This does not imply at all that he can be either a great asset or misjudged character let loose.
A reality shock will likely bring Giteau in line – that isn’t asking much from both the country and global sugar-coated remarks.
Frankly, watching our pack on the field without Giteau would be worth the cost of the ticket.
November 25th 2009 @ 11:34am
LeftArmSpinner said | November 25th 2009 @ 11:34am | Report comment
wisdom??? MM, can you speak to my exwife!!!!
November 25th 2009 @ 9:53am
Harry said | November 25th 2009 @ 9:53am | Report comment
Cookie has identified the likely Giteau reaction: “he’ll sulk and whine, push for Deans to be sacked and then head of to Europe.” I’d say thats the most likely course of action if Deans (rightly) benches him or drops him altogether … and in the long term that will be best for Aus rugby, no player is bigger than the team or the game, however talented he undoutedly is.
Going to be interesting at the Brums next year I think with Gits, Elsom and Mortlock all under Captain Hoiles …
November 25th 2009 @ 11:35am
LeftArmSpinner said | November 25th 2009 @ 11:35am | Report comment
and so problem solved permanently………….
November 25th 2009 @ 9:56am
Working Class Rugger said | November 25th 2009 @ 9:56am | Report comment
Giteau definitely needs a wake up call. And if dropping to the bench is what’s needed the so be it. He seems to believe that he is the number one priority of the team and from what I was told by let’s call them a ‘friend’ in the junior section of the Force squad a bit of a trouble maker. Hence the reason the Force wasn’t that upset at his departure.
November 25th 2009 @ 10:06am
MarkR said | November 25th 2009 @ 10:06am | Report comment
Wow -Gits is to blame for the Scotland loss ? I watched the first 20 mins last ngiht (only the first 20 mind) & from teh backs I saw plenty of line breaks, good chip kicks, cut out passing, instinctive counter attacking, & shifting the ball wide quickly – and that was from Scotland NOT the Wallabies. OK, I didn’t watch the next 60 but from what I saw it had the potential for a very close match contrary to the one sided drubbing (minus the scoreline) that I’ve been reading about here. The Wallabies crossed the line twice, & again contrary to what I’ve read here they didn’t score because of the way they were tackled. First one got hit on his right hip & the 2 other Scot tacklers rolled him that way, 2nd one was tackled at pace from left to right around the legs causing his body to roll ont his right side where the Scot were again able to flip him over. Giteau appeared to be over playing his hand (again) but the Scot defence was up so fast that he didn’t seem to have much choice.
If you’re going to replace him the prime requirement would be a more relaible goal kicker (although Giteau is normally pretty good, not quite a Carter/Steyn but better than Donald).
November 25th 2009 @ 11:28am
Campbell Watts said | November 25th 2009 @ 11:28am | Report comment
I’m with you MarkR,
I re-watched the game yesterday and thought the Scots played well! True they didn’t get too close to scoring a try but they certainly did their share of mixing it up on attack – it wasn’t just a kickfest!
A well-deserved victory!
November 25th 2009 @ 11:58am
Shahsan said | November 25th 2009 @ 11:58am | Report comment
And we’re talking about Scotland! Not as if it was Romania or Portugal (with all due respect to them).
Scotland, a country that has produced Gordon Brown, Andy Irvine, Jim Renwick, the Hastings brothers, John Jeffrey, David Sole, the Calder brothers, Gregor Townsend, John Rutherford etc etc.
Yes, the recent vintage has not been as good but they do pop up every so often with backs-to-the-wall wins such as these (just ask the English).
And they’re playing under a new coaching regime, at home, in conditions they thrive on. And this Australian squad is very raw and green.
It’s an insult to the sport to class this as some kind of earth-shattering upset. It’s no 9 beating no 3 — if that is a major upset then what is the point of the world cup of 20 teams? We might as well have a four- or five-nation tournament and save everyone time and money.
November 25th 2009 @ 10:19am
elle said | November 25th 2009 @ 10:19am | Report comment
Giteau is definately fading and fading fast. With his continual disregard for team play, and his rare appearance at second receiver it is a wonder that he is still in such a prominent position on the field. Having said that, his position and the game he plays has existed for so long that it seems the rest of the team mold around him and are used to the way he plays his game.
Giteau simply believes his own hype, and a wake up call is what he needs. Its been said before and I’ll say it again… relegate him Deans, show him whos boss. When Barnes ankle has healed (which will be quite a while i’ve heard) play him instead.
November 25th 2009 @ 10:20am
Blinky Bill from Bellingen said | November 25th 2009 @ 10:20am | Report comment
Strike me pink. One good win by the Wallabies in a mid week game & we’re ready to make Cooper the 5/8? God I hope not!
Without a doubt Cooper has potential and may well, one day, develop into a fine player but he has miles to go yet as does O’Connor & others. IMHO they need experience through other opportunities before stepping up to our A team. S15, under 20′s, 7′s or what ever it takes. Hopefully Robbie is watching both their technique and their collective egoes.
Tough one about Gits. Everyman & his dog sees him as a 12. So why doesn’t RD? And just as importantly why doesn’t Gits? Surely he misses scoring tries? He is our absolute best 12 with daylight between him and the next best, yet for what ever reason (ego maybe?) he keeps getting the 10 gig. Why is beyond me. Besides, what’s the big attraction with 5/8 anyway?
November 25th 2009 @ 11:39am
LeftArmSpinner said | November 25th 2009 @ 11:39am | Report comment
Blinky, QC has done some good work in the last tour and this tour. He is young, has brain explosions but his passing game is a team based game, even if he sometimes chooses to throw the speculator rather than the % ball. But last week, Mitchell was out of position by being too flat.
November 25th 2009 @ 10:27am
Darwin hammer said | November 25th 2009 @ 10:27am | Report comment
… and to think I got scoffed at when I made this suggestion after the BaBas game this year – off the bench as an impact player who can cover most positions in the backline – which allows the drongo to load up on loose forwards as is his want ….
I see though that Deans’ biggest fan has now jumped from the bandwagon – things must be bad if this clown has pulled the pin
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10611461
November 25th 2009 @ 11:15am
fox said | November 25th 2009 @ 11:15am | Report comment
“Having a charisma-challenged foreign leader in charge of a bunch of gutless wonders is the worst possible formula against vibrant rival codes.”
Couldn’t agree more. But that does not mean he should be sacked. Nor do I believe in dropping Gits. Move him to 12, sure. But do not drop him. He’s still the most dangerous ball runner in that backline, closely followed by AAC and Ioane. Deans will not entertain such folly, I assure you.
November 25th 2009 @ 11:40am
LeftArmSpinner said | November 25th 2009 @ 11:40am | Report comment
Darwin, you are a legend!!!!!! We just didnt know it or see it in our midst