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	<title>Comments on: Endo wins AFC award, but at what cost?</title>
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		<title>By: KB</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/26/endo-wins-afc-award-but-at-what-cost/comment-page-1/#comment-255406</link>
		<dc:creator>KB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 23:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ha, ha, Bear I agree with you 100%  :lol:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ha, ha, Bear I agree with you 100%  <img src='http://cdn0.theroar.com.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: The Bear</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/26/endo-wins-afc-award-but-at-what-cost/comment-page-1/#comment-255338</link>
		<dc:creator>The Bear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 22:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fascinating thread. Thanks. A little bit disturbing, but I feel less naive now. Definitely more determined to see our lads do us proud in the Asian Cup. Hopefully Holman will be unavailable cos he is such a Dutch Supershtar now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating thread. Thanks. A little bit disturbing, but I feel less naive now. Definitely more determined to see our lads do us proud in the Asian Cup. Hopefully Holman will be unavailable cos he is such a Dutch Supershtar now.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben of Phnom Penh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben of Phnom Penh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 09:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and who refused to allow the South Korean anthem to played or flag raised in direct violation of FIFA rules.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and who refused to allow the South Korean anthem to played or flag raised in direct violation of FIFA rules.</p>
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		<title>By: AndyRoo</title>
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		<dc:creator>AndyRoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 04:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do think our achievements are underrated but I just think the South Korean team is better. 

We do have a better goal keeper but the South Korean team is very strong across the park except like us up front and even then they have a player scoring goals (not too many though) for Monaco and they only just had a 27 match unbeaten streak ended. The 27 matches unbeaten to me suggests their ranking is not a fair indication of their results. 
It’s not just the results of one friendly they are a very good team. South Africa will be the proof I guess and if they don’t make the second round then I will wave the white flag.

Both teams qualified first in their group. You can’t do better than that. 

It then comes down to rankings vs the friendly result and given the 27 game unbeaten streak I think it would be unfair to put too much steed in Koreas poor ranking.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do think our achievements are underrated but I just think the South Korean team is better. </p>
<p>We do have a better goal keeper but the South Korean team is very strong across the park except like us up front and even then they have a player scoring goals (not too many though) for Monaco and they only just had a 27 match unbeaten streak ended. The 27 matches unbeaten to me suggests their ranking is not a fair indication of their results.<br />
It’s not just the results of one friendly they are a very good team. South Africa will be the proof I guess and if they don’t make the second round then I will wave the white flag.</p>
<p>Both teams qualified first in their group. You can’t do better than that. </p>
<p>It then comes down to rankings vs the friendly result and given the 27 game unbeaten streak I think it would be unfair to put too much steed in Koreas poor ranking.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Russell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 04:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a slippery slope when you start arguing that the result of one friendly should form the basis of who has been the better team over the entire year (not to mention that South Korea had the advantages of being at home and playing an Australian team that was significantly understrength ... precisely because it was a friendly rather than a &quot;meaningful&quot; game).

The argument about South Korea playing teams from Europe is piffle ... if they measured up against those teams (as Australia has in analogous fixtures), then their world ranking would reflect it (as Australia&#039;s does).

The argument about South Korea having a tougher group for WC qualifying is at first appealing, but then how does one explain that it was actually the team from Australia&#039;s group that won the play-off between the third-placed teams?

Also, the difficulty of one&#039;s opponents in WC qualification matches is taken into account in world rankings.

Sure, the rankings system is not perfect, but it&#039;s not so imperfect that team 52 (South Korea) is actually better than team 21 (Australia).

On a related note, it always amazes me the number of Socceroo fans who want to downplay whatever the team achieves. That is basically the argument you are putting forward: &quot;Well we qualified very strongly for the World Cup, and we got as high as 14 in the world rankings, but that&#039;s all pretty meaningless in comparison to losing a friendly in South Korea&quot;.

Don&#039;t get me wrong, I&#039;m not having a go at you. But I guess this is what is meant by the term &quot;death-riding&quot;, which is what I constantly hear from passionate All Blacks fans around me ... no matter what their team achieves, they are always trying to downplay it, and demand better, and say it wasn&#039;t really good enough, and so on. Wake up and smell the roses with the Socceroos, because it ain&#039;t always going to be this good!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a slippery slope when you start arguing that the result of one friendly should form the basis of who has been the better team over the entire year (not to mention that South Korea had the advantages of being at home and playing an Australian team that was significantly understrength &#8230; precisely because it was a friendly rather than a &#8220;meaningful&#8221; game).</p>
<p>The argument about South Korea playing teams from Europe is piffle &#8230; if they measured up against those teams (as Australia has in analogous fixtures), then their world ranking would reflect it (as Australia&#8217;s does).</p>
<p>The argument about South Korea having a tougher group for WC qualifying is at first appealing, but then how does one explain that it was actually the team from Australia&#8217;s group that won the play-off between the third-placed teams?</p>
<p>Also, the difficulty of one&#8217;s opponents in WC qualification matches is taken into account in world rankings.</p>
<p>Sure, the rankings system is not perfect, but it&#8217;s not so imperfect that team 52 (South Korea) is actually better than team 21 (Australia).</p>
<p>On a related note, it always amazes me the number of Socceroo fans who want to downplay whatever the team achieves. That is basically the argument you are putting forward: &#8220;Well we qualified very strongly for the World Cup, and we got as high as 14 in the world rankings, but that&#8217;s all pretty meaningless in comparison to losing a friendly in South Korea&#8221;.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I&#8217;m not having a go at you. But I guess this is what is meant by the term &#8220;death-riding&#8221;, which is what I constantly hear from passionate All Blacks fans around me &#8230; no matter what their team achieves, they are always trying to downplay it, and demand better, and say it wasn&#8217;t really good enough, and so on. Wake up and smell the roses with the Socceroos, because it ain&#8217;t always going to be this good!</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 04:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I enjoy it very much. Not always free on Sunday afternoons though. Plus, not really any opinion or commentary in there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I enjoy it very much. Not always free on Sunday afternoons though. Plus, not really any opinion or commentary in there.</p>
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		<title>By: KB</title>
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		<dc:creator>KB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 03:51:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh I see what you mean Mike, yes I do agree with you... Maybe better scheduling perhaps to allow players to be given a reasonable time to turn up for the occasion..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh I see what you mean Mike, yes I do agree with you&#8230; Maybe better scheduling perhaps to allow players to be given a reasonable time to turn up for the occasion..</p>
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		<title>By: AndyRoo</title>
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		<dc:creator>AndyRoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 03:47:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>South Korea came first in a much tougher group so it would have looked strange to give the award to us after they well and truly dusted us in the friendly, which was the unofficial World Championship of Asia (Group a winners vs group b winners).

South Korea were already qualified for the Asian cup through their top 4 finish at the last one so rather than boost their rating by playing more Asian teams they have been playing friendlies against European and African teams....and like all awards (the Oscars come to mind) you often get them the year after you first deserve it. 

Whoever does best in SA2010 is likely to get the gong next year barring a real outsider causing a big upset and qualifying for the Asian Cup

I love my Socceroos but would say South Korea deserved it this year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>South Korea came first in a much tougher group so it would have looked strange to give the award to us after they well and truly dusted us in the friendly, which was the unofficial World Championship of Asia (Group a winners vs group b winners).</p>
<p>South Korea were already qualified for the Asian cup through their top 4 finish at the last one so rather than boost their rating by playing more Asian teams they have been playing friendlies against European and African teams&#8230;.and like all awards (the Oscars come to mind) you often get them the year after you first deserve it. </p>
<p>Whoever does best in SA2010 is likely to get the gong next year barring a real outsider causing a big upset and qualifying for the Asian Cup</p>
<p>I love my Socceroos but would say South Korea deserved it this year.</p>
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		<title>By: KB</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/26/endo-wins-afc-award-but-at-what-cost/comment-page-1/#comment-254820</link>
		<dc:creator>KB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 03:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Endo wins AFC award, but at what cost?&quot; I can&#039;t uderstand why there should be an objection---this guy has brilliant ball skills----guess I better read your artile Mike to find out why  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Endo wins AFC award, but at what cost?&#8221; I can&#8217;t uderstand why there should be an objection&#8212;this guy has brilliant ball skills&#8212;-guess I better read your artile Mike to find out why  <img src='http://cdn0.theroar.com.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: KB</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/26/endo-wins-afc-award-but-at-what-cost/comment-page-1/#comment-254818</link>
		<dc:creator>KB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 03:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom,
on Sunday afternoon at 3pm on TWG (SBS) there&#039;s a highlight package of Asian Football---it&#039;s great stuff and features a lot of Australian games as well---compulsory viewing in my opinion....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom,<br />
on Sunday afternoon at 3pm on TWG (SBS) there&#8217;s a highlight package of Asian Football&#8212;it&#8217;s great stuff and features a lot of Australian games as well&#8212;compulsory viewing in my opinion&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Tuckerman</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/26/endo-wins-afc-award-but-at-what-cost/comment-page-1/#comment-254815</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Tuckerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 03:26:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>North Korea for Federation of the Year was incredible stuff.

This from a national FA that accused their South Korean counterparts of poisoning them after a World Cup qualifier in Seoul!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>North Korea for Federation of the Year was incredible stuff.</p>
<p>This from a national FA that accused their South Korean counterparts of poisoning them after a World Cup qualifier in Seoul!</p>
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		<title>By: Ben of Phnom Penh</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/26/endo-wins-afc-award-but-at-what-cost/comment-page-1/#comment-254812</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben of Phnom Penh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 03:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We were defeated by South Korea in a friendly though and have hardly starred in our Asia Cup Qualifying.  They also had a very difficult group for World Cup qualifying and breezed through it.  

My favourite is North Korea for Federation of the Year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We were defeated by South Korea in a friendly though and have hardly starred in our Asia Cup Qualifying.  They also had a very difficult group for World Cup qualifying and breezed through it.  </p>
<p>My favourite is North Korea for Federation of the Year.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Russell</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/26/endo-wins-afc-award-but-at-what-cost/comment-page-1/#comment-254805</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 03:13:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, thanks for the perspective here, I saw the report on these awards yesterday and really scratched my head.

One thing you do not mention, perhaps out of charity, is the award for national team of the year, which went to South Korea. Even if it&#039;s silly, I get that Cahill, Schwarzer, etc. did not get player of the year because it excludes deeds in Europe. However when it comes to national team of the year, there can be no such rule. So presumably South Korea got the nod over Australia because they beat an under-strength Socceroo side in a meaningless (friendly) match in Seoul in September.

This surely has to be the silliest, most purely political award decision of the lot. I mean, South Korea are currently ranked 52 and they have not been above 40 since mid-2006 (see http://www.fifa.com/associations/association=kor/ranking/gender=m/index.html). On the other hand, Australia is currently 21st, they got as high as 14th this year (second-highest ever by an Asian team, behind only Japan&#039;s 9 in early 1998), and their lowest this year was 32nd (http://www.fifa.com/associations/association=aus/ranking/gender=m/index.html). The next highest Asian team is Japan, currently in 42nd.

If the above does not amount to a no-brainer for Australia as national team of the year in Asia, then I do not know what does.

Incidentally, those FIFA pages on ranking history are really cool ... and it&#039;s not often that I hand out bouquets to FIFA!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, thanks for the perspective here, I saw the report on these awards yesterday and really scratched my head.</p>
<p>One thing you do not mention, perhaps out of charity, is the award for national team of the year, which went to South Korea. Even if it&#8217;s silly, I get that Cahill, Schwarzer, etc. did not get player of the year because it excludes deeds in Europe. However when it comes to national team of the year, there can be no such rule. So presumably South Korea got the nod over Australia because they beat an under-strength Socceroo side in a meaningless (friendly) match in Seoul in September.</p>
<p>This surely has to be the silliest, most purely political award decision of the lot. I mean, South Korea are currently ranked 52 and they have not been above 40 since mid-2006 (see <a href="http://www.fifa.com/associations/association=kor/ranking/gender=m/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.fifa.com/associations/association=kor/ranking/gender=m/index.html</a>). On the other hand, Australia is currently 21st, they got as high as 14th this year (second-highest ever by an Asian team, behind only Japan&#8217;s 9 in early 1998), and their lowest this year was 32nd (<a href="http://www.fifa.com/associations/association=aus/ranking/gender=m/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.fifa.com/associations/association=aus/ranking/gender=m/index.html</a>). The next highest Asian team is Japan, currently in 42nd.</p>
<p>If the above does not amount to a no-brainer for Australia as national team of the year in Asia, then I do not know what does.</p>
<p>Incidentally, those FIFA pages on ranking history are really cool &#8230; and it&#8217;s not often that I hand out bouquets to FIFA!</p>
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		<title>By: GeneralAshnak</title>
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		<dc:creator>GeneralAshnak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 01:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I argue the award system is totally transparent, it is so see through as to be invisible! How about we have the voting system completely opaque, then everyone can see it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I argue the award system is totally transparent, it is so see through as to be invisible! How about we have the voting system completely opaque, then everyone can see it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben of Phnom Penh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben of Phnom Penh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 01:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re having a stir, surely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re having a stir, surely.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Tuckerman</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/26/endo-wins-afc-award-but-at-what-cost/comment-page-1/#comment-254682</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Tuckerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 01:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The lack of transparency in the voting system is one of the most frustrating aspects of the award.

Yasuhito Endo is undoubtedly one of the best players in Asia, but did he do enough this year to claim the award?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The lack of transparency in the voting system is one of the most frustrating aspects of the award.</p>
<p>Yasuhito Endo is undoubtedly one of the best players in Asia, but did he do enough this year to claim the award?</p>
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		<title>By: Asian Football?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Asian Football?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 00:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So you say Tom - but is anyone in Australia actually interested in it?

Statistically speaking, you&#039;d be talking about less than 1% of the Australian Population mate - why should the press be covering it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you say Tom &#8211; but is anyone in Australia actually interested in it?</p>
<p>Statistically speaking, you&#8217;d be talking about less than 1% of the Australian Population mate &#8211; why should the press be covering it?</p>
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		<title>By: Ben of Phnom Penh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben of Phnom Penh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 00:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to see each federation vote for player of the year, regardless of where they ply their trade, using a 3-2-1 system with the caveat that they are unable to vote for anyone from their own federation.  You could even  have a vote count.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to see each federation vote for player of the year, regardless of where they ply their trade, using a 3-2-1 system with the caveat that they are unable to vote for anyone from their own federation.  You could even  have a vote count.</p>
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		<title>By: AGO74</title>
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		<dc:creator>AGO74</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 22:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The rest of the world perceives Asian football as weak and the AFC award is a perfect opportunity to showcase to the rest of the world taht whilst we don&#039;t have Messi&#039;s, Ronaldo&#039;s etc, their is still a very high number of quality footballers from this region, but yet again, idiotic decisions mean that any kudos to be gained is lost in a farcical way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The rest of the world perceives Asian football as weak and the AFC award is a perfect opportunity to showcase to the rest of the world taht whilst we don&#8217;t have Messi&#8217;s, Ronaldo&#8217;s etc, their is still a very high number of quality footballers from this region, but yet again, idiotic decisions mean that any kudos to be gained is lost in a farcical way.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/26/endo-wins-afc-award-but-at-what-cost/comment-page-1/#comment-254479</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 21:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good article.

Mike, I really appreciate your articles on Asian football. Its an area that just doesn&#039;t get enough attention in the mainstream press.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article.</p>
<p>Mike, I really appreciate your articles on Asian football. Its an area that just doesn&#8217;t get enough attention in the mainstream press.</p>
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		<title>By: Freud of Football</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/11/26/endo-wins-afc-award-but-at-what-cost/comment-page-1/#comment-254404</link>
		<dc:creator>Freud of Football</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 19:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s football politics for you. As usual, out of touch with the fans, a farce and yet no one can do a thing to touch the men in power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s football politics for you. As usual, out of touch with the fans, a farce and yet no one can do a thing to touch the men in power.</p>
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