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		<title>By: Dean Pantio</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/12/01/if-the-rwc-was-next-week/comment-page-1/#comment-260173</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean Pantio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 22:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s condescending, hope that helps ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s condescending, hope that helps <img src='http://cdn0.theroar.com.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Dean Pantio</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/12/01/if-the-rwc-was-next-week/comment-page-1/#comment-260138</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean Pantio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 22:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;You see it that way, others see it as a spectacle.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I see the problem, the difference between us is I played, hence I have an intimate understanding and appreciation of the game as opposed to sitting in the stands expecting to be entertained like it was a Harlem Globetrotters match.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;You see it that way, others see it as a spectacle.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>I see the problem, the difference between us is I played, hence I have an intimate understanding and appreciation of the game as opposed to sitting in the stands expecting to be entertained like it was a Harlem Globetrotters match.</p>
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		<title>By: Cattledog</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/12/01/if-the-rwc-was-next-week/comment-page-1/#comment-259257</link>
		<dc:creator>Cattledog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your assertion of people not undersanding the rugby ethos is way off the mark.  Quite frankly, if I&#039;ve witnessed a great game of rugby, regardless of what&#039;s on the line, I really don&#039;t care who wins.

Your condecending attitude also detracts from your posts...Repeat after me...childish!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your assertion of people not undersanding the rugby ethos is way off the mark.  Quite frankly, if I&#8217;ve witnessed a great game of rugby, regardless of what&#8217;s on the line, I really don&#8217;t care who wins.</p>
<p>Your condecending attitude also detracts from your posts&#8230;Repeat after me&#8230;childish!</p>
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		<title>By: Cattledog</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/12/01/if-the-rwc-was-next-week/comment-page-1/#comment-259256</link>
		<dc:creator>Cattledog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:19:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You see it that way, others see it as a spectacle.  No problem.  That&#039;s easy to deal with.  Sure, teams will initially give up two points rather than eight.  However, when it includes a yellow card, they&#039;ll think twice.  There&#039;s ways and means for everything.  As I&#039;ve said several times, change is inevitable, it&#039;s how change is imlemented and managed which is the concern.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You see it that way, others see it as a spectacle.  No problem.  That&#8217;s easy to deal with.  Sure, teams will initially give up two points rather than eight.  However, when it includes a yellow card, they&#8217;ll think twice.  There&#8217;s ways and means for everything.  As I&#8217;ve said several times, change is inevitable, it&#8217;s how change is imlemented and managed which is the concern.</p>
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		<title>By: Dean Pantio</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/12/01/if-the-rwc-was-next-week/comment-page-1/#comment-259180</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean Pantio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How are you going to deal with it? The evidence is clear; a team defending will give up two points rather than eight. This isn&#039;t difficult to understand.

Rugby, contrary to your assertion, is not about &quot;running&quot;, it&#039;s about 15 men on either side competing for possession of the ball and attempting to score more points than the opposition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How are you going to deal with it? The evidence is clear; a team defending will give up two points rather than eight. This isn&#8217;t difficult to understand.</p>
<p>Rugby, contrary to your assertion, is not about &#8220;running&#8221;, it&#8217;s about 15 men on either side competing for possession of the ball and attempting to score more points than the opposition.</p>
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		<title>By: Dean Pantio</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/12/01/if-the-rwc-was-next-week/comment-page-1/#comment-259178</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean Pantio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, I&#039;m sick of people who don&#039;t understand the rugby ethos continually excusing poor performances by reference to how a team will be travelling come a quadrennial knock out tournament.
They&#039;re called tests in rugby and friendlies in soccer. I&#039;m sure you can work out why.
Repeat after me: &lt;b&gt;Each test is as important as the one that preceded it and the one that follows&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I&#8217;m sick of people who don&#8217;t understand the rugby ethos continually excusing poor performances by reference to how a team will be travelling come a quadrennial knock out tournament.<br />
They&#8217;re called tests in rugby and friendlies in soccer. I&#8217;m sure you can work out why.<br />
Repeat after me: <b>Each test is as important as the one that preceded it and the one that follows</b></p>
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		<title>By: Cattledog</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/12/01/if-the-rwc-was-next-week/comment-page-1/#comment-258333</link>
		<dc:creator>Cattledog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 09:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JB, interesting points.  It seems my throw away line on the points system (for which I wrote an earlier blog and can be seen in the news articles at www.rugbyinc.com.au) is causing the most consternation.  I thought my selection of Morahan would have caused the most anx!!

On the scoring, my intention would be to use the yellow card for any repeat infringements to prevent the increase in such infringements.  However, perhaps we have a 3 point conversion, leave the penalty at 3 points but reduce the FG to 2 points.  I certainly wouldn&#039;t be against reducing it to 1 as you have outlined.  The fact that league do this does not mean union can&#039;t follow suit.  In any business, if there&#039;s a good system being used by someone else, then you would be crazy not to adopt it if available.

At any rate, to see less shots for penalties or field goals would be a step in the right direction for my mind.

My main idea is to change the decision making process for a team to make it worth their while in chancing their arm and keeping the ball in hand more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JB, interesting points.  It seems my throw away line on the points system (for which I wrote an earlier blog and can be seen in the news articles at <a href="http://www.rugbyinc.com.au" rel="nofollow">http://www.rugbyinc.com.au</a>) is causing the most consternation.  I thought my selection of Morahan would have caused the most anx!!</p>
<p>On the scoring, my intention would be to use the yellow card for any repeat infringements to prevent the increase in such infringements.  However, perhaps we have a 3 point conversion, leave the penalty at 3 points but reduce the FG to 2 points.  I certainly wouldn&#8217;t be against reducing it to 1 as you have outlined.  The fact that league do this does not mean union can&#8217;t follow suit.  In any business, if there&#8217;s a good system being used by someone else, then you would be crazy not to adopt it if available.</p>
<p>At any rate, to see less shots for penalties or field goals would be a step in the right direction for my mind.</p>
<p>My main idea is to change the decision making process for a team to make it worth their while in chancing their arm and keeping the ball in hand more.</p>
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		<title>By: Cattledog</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/12/01/if-the-rwc-was-next-week/comment-page-1/#comment-258323</link>
		<dc:creator>Cattledog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 08:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sigh, another article about the World Cup almost two years away. Just how many soccer blow ins are posting here? 

Your attempt at humour is it DP?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sigh, another article about the World Cup almost two years away. Just how many soccer blow ins are posting here? </p>
<p>Your attempt at humour is it DP?</p>
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		<title>By: Cattledog</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/12/01/if-the-rwc-was-next-week/comment-page-1/#comment-258321</link>
		<dc:creator>Cattledog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 08:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I won&#039;t go into detail concerning my post on changing the scoring system, suffice to say that there are ways and means of dealing with your so called &#039;law of unintended outcomes&#039;.  Like the introduction of any new system, there needs to be trials conducted and the best way to introduce it is then implemented, making sure unintended outcomes are negated!

Perhaps just introducing the 8 point try and reducing field goals may have the desired effect.  As I say, trial and error.  At the moment, however, I think the vast majority would like to see more running rugby and less kicking for goal.  Please yourself, of course your entitled to your opinion but once the problem of &#039;increased infringing&#039; is effectively dealt with, you are left with a team making decisions based on scoring tries rather than kicking goals!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I won&#8217;t go into detail concerning my post on changing the scoring system, suffice to say that there are ways and means of dealing with your so called &#8216;law of unintended outcomes&#8217;.  Like the introduction of any new system, there needs to be trials conducted and the best way to introduce it is then implemented, making sure unintended outcomes are negated!</p>
<p>Perhaps just introducing the 8 point try and reducing field goals may have the desired effect.  As I say, trial and error.  At the moment, however, I think the vast majority would like to see more running rugby and less kicking for goal.  Please yourself, of course your entitled to your opinion but once the problem of &#8216;increased infringing&#8217; is effectively dealt with, you are left with a team making decisions based on scoring tries rather than kicking goals!</p>
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		<title>By: PastHisBest</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/12/01/if-the-rwc-was-next-week/comment-page-1/#comment-257922</link>
		<dc:creator>PastHisBest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correct DP. So many posters who want to fiddle with the scoring/points system fail to recognise this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correct DP. So many posters who want to fiddle with the scoring/points system fail to recognise this.</p>
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		<title>By: JB</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/12/01/if-the-rwc-was-next-week/comment-page-1/#comment-257914</link>
		<dc:creator>JB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>C. Dog,

Interesting points and there were certainly a number of positives from individuals in the tour. In hindsight a draw against Ireland may actually be a notable result (they were undefeated in 2009!) However the facts remain we had enough chances to win that match.... And no comment about the Scotland game (except we&#039;d win by 30 points 9/10 times...)

The scoring structure is always a fascinating discussion.
Your suggestion about increasing conversions and decreasing penalties has merit.  However I&#039;d remind everyone that the margin between a converted try (or goal as they traditionally called it) and a penalty is 7-3=4.  In league is is the same - 6-2 =4. Yet the emphasis in league is almost always to go for the try, not take the kick. That&#039;s probably partly due to the fact it is easier to score when you get in the red zone in league, or at least maintian the pressure by getting a line drop.  There needs to be a major disincentive to give away penalties especially in the defensive areas - maybe you increase the penalty value to really discourage it.  (10 points for a penalty might keep hands out of rucks and people onside! I&#039;m being a little silly there...
Or preferably discourage miscreants by more regular use of the yellow card?

One scoring change I&#039;d definitely suggest - stop field goals from &#039;accumulating&#039; points to be a means of splitting a score - so 1 point not 3. I know it&#039;s copying league but it would be better if they are only used to break a deadlock or establish a buffer.

Interested to read any thoughts on this..

JB</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>C. Dog,</p>
<p>Interesting points and there were certainly a number of positives from individuals in the tour. In hindsight a draw against Ireland may actually be a notable result (they were undefeated in 2009!) However the facts remain we had enough chances to win that match&#8230;. And no comment about the Scotland game (except we&#8217;d win by 30 points 9/10 times&#8230;)</p>
<p>The scoring structure is always a fascinating discussion.<br />
Your suggestion about increasing conversions and decreasing penalties has merit.  However I&#8217;d remind everyone that the margin between a converted try (or goal as they traditionally called it) and a penalty is 7-3=4.  In league is is the same &#8211; 6-2 =4. Yet the emphasis in league is almost always to go for the try, not take the kick. That&#8217;s probably partly due to the fact it is easier to score when you get in the red zone in league, or at least maintian the pressure by getting a line drop.  There needs to be a major disincentive to give away penalties especially in the defensive areas &#8211; maybe you increase the penalty value to really discourage it.  (10 points for a penalty might keep hands out of rucks and people onside! I&#8217;m being a little silly there&#8230;<br />
Or preferably discourage miscreants by more regular use of the yellow card?</p>
<p>One scoring change I&#8217;d definitely suggest &#8211; stop field goals from &#8216;accumulating&#8217; points to be a means of splitting a score &#8211; so 1 point not 3. I know it&#8217;s copying league but it would be better if they are only used to break a deadlock or establish a buffer.</p>
<p>Interested to read any thoughts on this..</p>
<p>JB</p>
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		<title>By: Dean Pantio</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/12/01/if-the-rwc-was-next-week/comment-page-1/#comment-257905</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean Pantio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sigh, another article about the World Cup almost two years away. Just how many soccer blow ins are posting here?

&lt;i&gt;&quot;I continue to be a critic of the scoring system and remain a strong advocate of a conversion being increased to 3 points whilst a penalty and field goal are reduced to 2.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;
I don&#039;t know how many times I have to point this out: Increasing the relative worth of a converted try will only mean that players will infringe &lt;b&gt;MORE&lt;/b&gt; in an attempt to not give away &lt;del&gt;seven&lt;/del&gt; eight points rather than &lt;del&gt;three&lt;/del&gt; two. It will &lt;b&gt;worsen&lt;/b&gt; the current situation. It&#039;s called the law of unintended outcomes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sigh, another article about the World Cup almost two years away. Just how many soccer blow ins are posting here?</p>
<p><i>&#8220;I continue to be a critic of the scoring system and remain a strong advocate of a conversion being increased to 3 points whilst a penalty and field goal are reduced to 2.&#8221;</i><br />
I don&#8217;t know how many times I have to point this out: Increasing the relative worth of a converted try will only mean that players will infringe <b>MORE</b> in an attempt to not give away <del>seven</del> eight points rather than <del>three</del> two. It will <b>worsen</b> the current situation. It&#8217;s called the law of unintended outcomes.</p>
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