World football is still too conservative
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Following on from Jesse Fink’s article published on The Roar yesterday, and the many comments that it engendered, I thought I would touch on a favourite theme of mine: world football and conservatism.
There are two main reasons why progressive changes, while occasionally considered, are rarely put into effect by FIFA (putting aside the general ineptitude to be found amongst some on the Executive):
1. Too many varied and vested interests make unanimous decision making nigh on impossible
2. There is a genuine and valid effort made by FIFA to ensure that the game can be played in an identical manner throughout the world at all levels, from the impoverished village in central Africa all the way to the most prosperous cities on Earth.
This pattern is ingrained to such an extent that despite the modern age we find ourselves in, we witness some quaint and quirky artifacts of world football:
1. One central referee deciding almost everything related to the game, from enforcing rules, to determining the length of the game, to meting out punishment on the spot for more serious infringements, all with the use of one little whistle
2. Two linesmen assisting with little flags
3. A fourth official who doesn’t even have the power to allow someone onto the field as soon as they are ready to run on (compare this anomaly with the 200 interchanges that occur in every AFL game).
Now let me say, the aim of keeping everything the same all around the world has its benefits, and is a noble objective.
But in the modern age, it all starts to look a little dated on the biggest stage of them all. And in some respects, it becomes a case of the lowest common denominator – no matter what level of the game we are watching, we will use the simplest, easiest and cheapest methods of all.
I’d like to think that modernity must eventually catch up with FIFA, and that it will make serious efforts to at least bring the highest levels of the game into the 21st century.
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December 5th 2009 @ 8:27am
AndyRoo said | December 5th 2009 @ 8:27am | Report comment
In regards to the last one about the 4th offciial not having the power to allow people onto the field. long may that continue, the recent trend of Refs taking their time to allow previously heavily injured players back onto the field is a good one.
Their are only 3 subs a side and they shouldn’t be coming on until their is a break in play anyway.
I also have no problem with whistles and little flags….and the linesman usually have some sort of electronic device that alerts the referee of the flag going up.
So I agreed with where you were going (grudingly) but the examples let you down but I am sure more serious ones will emerge.
December 5th 2009 @ 11:42am
Pippinu said | December 5th 2009 @ 11:42am | Report comment
AndyRoo
thanks for the comment.
Regarding the 4th official – it’s not just injured players coming on (and let’s be honest, a consistent rule does not even apply there), but it frustrate coaches and players alike where a player has come off injured, needs to be replaced, the team is down to ten men, and the player on the sideline might wait a couple of minutes to get on.
And the question really needs to be asked – why is it necessary for anyone to wait until the central ref gives the nod? Might he get confused seeing a new face on the field? Are people worried that 12 players might magically appear on the field for one team without anyone noticing?
December 5th 2009 @ 6:01pm
AndyRoo said | December 5th 2009 @ 6:01pm | Report comment
I think sneaky players will get subbed and be half way home before the ref has time to give them a red card.
December 5th 2009 @ 9:28am
marinerdiehard said | December 5th 2009 @ 9:28am | Report comment
why not enhance or upgrade the fourth official to include video replays on that little monitor, he doesnt need to say anything to the ref unless he sees a wrong call or a dive or hand ball, this way we get video evidence introduced while still keeping the game a free flowing spectacle, essentially he shouldn’t interfere with the ref or the game at all until he sees something on the monitor that the ref missed, this way the ref can concentrate on the game all the time without second guessing himself becoz he knows the fourth official will pick up anything he missed!?!?!? Thoughts guys?
December 5th 2009 @ 11:43am
Pippinu said | December 5th 2009 @ 11:43am | Report comment
That’s spot on about the 4th official – he’s there – he can be used – but for the moment his basic role is to do a few administrative tasks and cop abuse from coaches on the side line.
December 5th 2009 @ 11:52am
marinator4LYF said | December 5th 2009 @ 11:52am | Report comment
so when does the time come to change things like this??? I think that being our league is still quite infant, it would provide the perfect platform for testing out some of these ideas people have. And why not??? We claim to be at the forefront in sports technology so why not help pass that onto the rest of the world and gain some respect in the process
December 5th 2009 @ 12:25pm
marinator4LYF said | December 5th 2009 @ 12:25pm | Report comment
so being that we have an infant league here down under why not use it as a platform for testing such ideas, this issue will always be around until SOMEONE does something about it and who better to test than AUS!! We have an opportunity to add something to the global game for once so we should atleast investigate these ideas.
IMO FIFA dosnt want to change the rules at the top level becoz they pride themselves on being one of the few sports worldwide with the exact same rules across the board, whether it be at the top level (EPL, La Liga etc.) or the bottom end (Park Football and Local Leagues). this is why FIFA wont change the rules but honestly, we live in a modern world and there is separation between the top and bottom levels all throughout the world, be it sport, business or whatever, there are differences in rules and those differences are what produce different products, some better, some worse but still different and at the end of the day the guys at the top level get paid WAAAAAAAY more than the guys enjoying park football and this why it needs to be reffereed properly.
Personally if i can get away with hand ball on a park football team then see a pro get in trouble for it on TV, who am i to argue that he should get away with it becoz i did, or vice versa
December 5th 2009 @ 2:48pm
Pippinu said | December 5th 2009 @ 2:48pm | Report comment
Yes – that’s correct (keeping it the same across the board) – and I’ve said in the article that is a valid and reasonable objecitive -but equally – at the very highest level – on the biggest show on Earth – it starts looking a little amateurish (which it is, because if you want the same standard between park football and the World Cup – you are applying lowest denominator standards, which is the point I’m trying to make).
On the A-League being able to try things – it depends on what it is allowed to do within its own bailliwick, that is, if it’s part of the laws of the game – you can’t do anything different.
But let us all be reminded that very early last season, I think it was a Jets vs Victory game, a Jets player got done on trial by video by deliberately handballing a ball that was close to crossing the goal line.
I thought it was a great decision – but commentators like Murray and Fos were scathing about the decision.
December 5th 2009 @ 10:46am
KB said | December 5th 2009 @ 10:46am | Report comment
“I’d like to think that modernity must eventually catch up with FIFA, and that it will make serious efforts to at least bring the highest levels of the game into the 21st century.”
That’s funny coming from a Marn Grooky advocate when you still play Grooky with a thick Dunlop brown rubber bladder inside a decaying pig skin… Instead of the new science, of the 21st century state-of-the-art new synthetic regulation FIFA No. 5 size Football …
~~~~~~~
KB
December 5th 2009 @ 11:44am
Pippinu said | December 5th 2009 @ 11:44am | Report comment
It’s an interesting point that there are some limited areas where soccer has been quite progressive, and one of those is the ball.
A case of money talking?
As for the leather Sherrin, which has been in continuous use since the 1880s, almost unchaged in 125 years – in Australia, it is the mark of the true footballer who can handle one of these home grown babies.
December 5th 2009 @ 3:13pm
KB said | December 5th 2009 @ 3:13pm | Report comment
“A case of money talking?”
Yeah kick backs that have been going on for decades from sherrin and co — that explains why there has been no advancement in ball technology in the world of Grooky… A bit like trying to get work practices changed on the wharfs no doubt ….
December 5th 2009 @ 11:34pm
Freud of Football said | December 5th 2009 @ 11:34pm | Report comment
Redb posted something a few days back about ball tracking technology which is apparently a world first and surprise surprise, it will be the “thick Dunlop brown rubber bladder inside a decaying pig skin” that gets to use it, not football for all its squillions, no, AFL.
December 6th 2009 @ 7:45am
Pippinu said | December 6th 2009 @ 7:45am | Report comment
Three cheers for the pig skin!!!!
Waste not, want not, it’s good that we can use our porkers for more than just a food souce!!
December 6th 2009 @ 8:37am
KB said | December 6th 2009 @ 8:37am | Report comment
Why on earth would they want to track a ball …? Football officiators have been tracking football players (distance covered) for more than 5 years…
December 6th 2009 @ 8:51am
Freud of Football said | December 6th 2009 @ 8:51am | Report comment
And for longer in the AFL. Why would they want to ball-track? Well apparently the readouts are a little more complex than just where the ball is, look it up yourself.
December 6th 2009 @ 9:20am
KB said | December 6th 2009 @ 9:20am | Report comment
Oh really it is…? What is it about the ball..? … Come on Feud, you are an intelligent man (I think) Redb, got it wrong, “the player distance covered stat” is what he was confused with, which is now being introduce across a number of codes….
December 5th 2009 @ 4:35pm
Dan said | December 5th 2009 @ 4:35pm | Report comment
Nice evasion of the point there KB! Very stealthily done too, you didn’t even attempt to engage the argument, you went straight for the piss-taking and counter allegations toward a sport not even mentioned in the article. Classy.
December 5th 2009 @ 4:38pm
Pippinu said | December 5th 2009 @ 4:38pm | Report comment
Dan
par for course.
December 5th 2009 @ 3:20pm
Midfielder said | December 5th 2009 @ 3:20pm | Report comment
Pip
While I agree on the extra refs… and an increase of post match analysis of major leagues where punishment can be given to those who error dive etc…..
However [maybe it's the small child in me] FIFA are a mega organisation who have made many very courageous decision over the years. Admitting Palestine as a country and thereby accepting their status as a nation before anyone else, the FIFA goal projects have been said to be the best example of third aid in the world. Beyond that FIFA is made up of I think 206 nations 3 more than the UN ( this figure changes from time to time mind you but it is close) .
To manage something with as more national entries that the UN, have all religions, culture’s, colours, … add to this just the registered playing numbers 280 million players, male 200 million & 80 million women, with over 3 million clubs… Now they somehow manage this to a number of ..””Laws”””… not rules… Everybody accepts their final judgements, they have their own courts, run arguably between FIFA & some of the Confederations eg’s WC, Women’s WC, Champions lead, Confederations cup… even in the Olympics football brings in just over half the revenue and just under half the Olympic audience, and pays for many other sports in the Olympics…
Further even at war nations have played .. who can forget the WC match between the US & Iran. They somehow mange to have teams from everywhere playing in competitions where bombs do not go off…
Jes, points to their faults and many do, but maybe it is almost impossible to run something as device as football and not have political figures .. politics in every work place, in every small club…
I am not trying to defend FIFA, well I suppose I am, however if you read the media in Australia about FIFA you really do only get one story and that is of an out of date, drunk with power, corrupt organisation, not wanting to change… May I put it to you if FIFA where as I just described Football would not be the sport it is today with the reach it has to every corner of the world…
Just putting a counter opinion and maybe not so popular an opinion , just trying as I said to add a little balance… and remember that great Moody Blues Album .. “It’s a Question of Balance”..
December 5th 2009 @ 4:29pm
Pippinu said | December 5th 2009 @ 4:29pm | Report comment
Mid
I accept all of that.
December 5th 2009 @ 4:55pm
Midfielder said | December 5th 2009 @ 4:55pm | Report comment
Pip
Are you coming up to Gods country next week…it will be a great game and I am wanting to see the Matty & Mr Clean agian.
December 5th 2009 @ 4:58pm
Pippinu said | December 5th 2009 @ 4:58pm | Report comment
Mid
only just got out of hospital after some illness – no travel for me for the moment – but thanks for thinking of me!!
December 5th 2009 @ 6:04pm
AndyRoo said | December 5th 2009 @ 6:04pm | Report comment
Get well soon Pip
December 5th 2009 @ 3:38pm
KB said | December 5th 2009 @ 3:38pm | Report comment
Good Post Midfielder,
and for those who scorn FIFA maybe they should pause a little to reflect on this important message by an organisation trying to bring some purpose and hope into the lives of some disadvantaged groups…
OUR MISSION
‘Develop the game, touch the world, build a better future’.
Played by millions around the world, football is the heart and soul of FIFA and as the guardian of this most cherished game, we have a great responsibility. This responsibility does not end with organising the FIFA World Cup™ and the various other world cup competitions; it extends to safeguarding the Laws of the Game, developing the game around the world and to bringing hope to those less privileged. This is what we believe is the very essence of fair play and solidarity.
We see it as our mission to contribute towards building a better future for the world by using the power and popularity of football. This mission gives meaning and direction to each and every activity that FIFA is involved in – football being an integrated part of our society.
OUR APPROACH
Develop the game. Improve the game of football constantly and promote it globally in the light of its unifying, educational, cultural and humanitarian values, particularly through youth and development programmes. Football development means investing in people and society at large. Football is a school of life.
Touch the world. Take world-class football action and passion at all levels to every corner of the planet through our 208 member associations. The broad range of competitions shows the many faces of football, spearheaded by the FIFA World Cup™.
Build a better future. Football is no longer considered merely a global sport, but also as unifying force whose virtues can make an important contribution to society. We use the power of football as a tool for social and human development, by strengthening the work of dozens of initiatives around the globe to support local communities in the areas of peacebuilding, health, social integration, education and more.
WHAT WE STAND FOR
Our core values of authenticity, unity, performance and integrity are at the very heart of who we are.
Authenticity. We believe that football must remain a simple, beautiful game played by, enjoyed by and touching the lives of all people far and wide
Unity. We believe it is FIFA´s responsibility to foster unity within the football world and to use football to promote solidarity, regardless of gender, ethnic background, faith or culture
Performance. We believe that FIFA must strive to deliver football of the highest quality and as the best possible experience, be it as a player, as a spectacle, or as a major cultural and social enabler throughout the world
Integrity. We believe that, just as the game itself, FIFA must be a model of fair play, tolerance, sportsmanship and transparency
A CHANCE AND A CHALLENGE
‘For the Game. For the World’ reflects the core element of our mission and represents both a chance and a challenge: a chance for us to contribute to making a difference to people´s lives, and a challenge to balance this social element with our traditional competence of overseeing the rules of the game and organising world-class competitions.
“We see it as our duty to take on the social responsibility that comes hand in hand with our position at the helm of the world’s most loved sport.
Join us in uniting forces to develop the game, touch the world and build a better future!”
Joseph S. Blatter
December 5th 2009 @ 4:05pm
Robbos said | December 5th 2009 @ 4:05pm | Report comment
hear, hear KB & Midfielder.
December 5th 2009 @ 4:30pm
Pippinu said | December 5th 2009 @ 4:30pm | Report comment
Now you’re making me want to vomit.
December 5th 2009 @ 4:53pm
Dan said | December 5th 2009 @ 4:53pm | Report comment
That’s all very well and good KB, but declarations mean very little if an organisation shows its actions do not reflect it’s self proclaimed mission. Look at the united nations and tell me how much it reflects the organisation’s efficacy in achieving these goals since the end of WWII:
WE THE PEOPLES OF THE UNITED NATIONS DETERMINED
to save succeeding generations from the scourge of war, which twice in our lifetime has brought untold sorrow to mankind, and
to reaffirm faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person, in the equal rights of men and women and of nations large and small, and
to establish conditions under which justice and respect for the obligations arising from treaties and other sources of international law can be maintained, and
to promote social progress and better standards of life in larger freedom”
Not that I want this to be a debate about global politics, but I think you’d agree that the UN has largely failed in it’s goals, positive and admirable though those goals are.
The fact is that like the UN, FIFA is too large and bloated to have any serious executive coherence. Too many voices looking for their piece of the pie.
December 5th 2009 @ 5:18pm
KB said | December 5th 2009 @ 5:18pm | Report comment
Don’t know where you have been Dan, but there has been three articles on FIFA’s short comings, this article is only an extension on that line of attack… In fact its been an on going exercise of pippi’s attempts to discredit Sepp and FIFA for two years, nothing new … You might want to put your code’s mission up so we can scrutinise it if you wish…
December 5th 2009 @ 5:24pm
Midfielder said | December 5th 2009 @ 5:24pm | Report comment
KB
I don’t think Pip has been having a go at FIFA as a direct target .. like many he as I can see many faults in FIFA… He is right to point them out …
All I am doing is saying sometimes it needs to be said they are not all bad and their are many worthwihile things FIFA do…
Pip agreed with my comments so he has his head in the right place .. all I am doing is saying there is also another side…
December 5th 2009 @ 5:43pm
KB said | December 5th 2009 @ 5:43pm | Report comment
OK just point out a few of AFL’s short comings and see what kind of reasonable response you’ll get from the AFL types …. Let me hear the war cries … “You are only a AFL hater Mid” … you have been there before it’s the same nauseating nonsense that’s been going on for yonks.. You can see his first comment to me and understand my dislike for his crap.. Its all very well design to demonise a perfectly good Football code … in short he is a Football Saboteur a name that fits Pippi well coined by our good friend Mike Cockerill
Well I’m signing off to get myself ready for the big match tonight go the GCU
December 5th 2009 @ 11:36pm
Freud of Football said | December 5th 2009 @ 11:36pm | Report comment
You’re a bit blind to the truth KB. FIFA employe plenty of people to write drivel like that. You don’t even have to read up on them to find out how shambolic they are, just have a proper look at Blatter in the Henry-Handball incident, his treatment of the Irish and their request, of Henry etc etc etc.
FIFA isn’t about the game, it’s about Power and while it doesn’t say it in the slogan, it is completely true.
December 6th 2009 @ 8:19am
KB said | December 6th 2009 @ 8:19am | Report comment
Geez Freud, I had no idea that FIFA employ an army of CIA agents to write drivel about the AFL; are you sure…???????
December 6th 2009 @ 8:33am
Freud of Football said | December 6th 2009 @ 8:33am | Report comment
That was in response to your earlier post.
December 5th 2009 @ 5:43pm
Pippinu said | December 5th 2009 @ 5:43pm | Report comment
The article is quite balanced in my view in that the difficulties faced by FIFA are pointed out (as to why change is slow).
Also – my very last sentence is asking people to think about this valid question: is there anything wrong with the showcase of the game (the World Cup) being considered on a different plain to a pub game in terms of the equipment and assistance available to the ref (or refs).
December 5th 2009 @ 5:20pm
Midfielder said | December 5th 2009 @ 5:20pm | Report comment
Dan
You go over the top … FIFA had a fraction of the funds of the UN and have the advantage of being a sport and not an army so this makes it easier for them…
But I kid you not many have said the judgements in how to allocate their goal projects (read goal projects and read UN aid) meaning the goal projects are the best example of how to and where to distribute aid…. In many countries especially in Africa they build football fields with schools provide accommodation etc.. In spite of almost every western journalist saying they are mad they have held the WC in Africa … how many reports have you read where it was all just about to fall over and FIFA helped in the only way they could to help build the status and future of Africa by holding it’s WC their..
Also to help the people of Africa and how this was twisted around to be made a joke by some .. but a few years ago they said to stop a slave trade in young boys .. Under 18 players could not be signed to football contracts anywhere in the world …. That my friend takes guts and leadership … but as I said lets never report these things
Look if you have not seen it the FIFA goal projects with their own money from fees raised from things like the world cup .. http://www.fifa.com/aboutfifa/worldwideprograms/goalprogramme/
There is your answer Dan and in the middle of all the world wide arguing about religion and power plants they go into Iran and build Football fields for kids [ both boys and girls) to play on and then schools for kids to go to . No one bombs them they do not take sides they just do… click tho enough of that site and you will find heaps…
So it is not all BS the very fact the WC is in Africa proves that as they could make heaps more by playing the WC in other parts of the world and do read the goal projects..
December 5th 2009 @ 11:37pm
Freud of Football said | December 5th 2009 @ 11:37pm | Report comment
How many votes does Africa have at FIFA? That’s the reason why there is finally a WC in Africa.
December 6th 2009 @ 7:46am
Pippinu said | December 6th 2009 @ 7:46am | Report comment
…and the former rotation policy, and the fact that it was a bit of a pet project (and on that point, no one can deny that it will be a great thing for the African continent).
December 6th 2009 @ 8:26am
KB said | December 6th 2009 @ 8:26am | Report comment
And how many votes does the Tasmanian AFL branch have in AFL HQ ? That’s why GWS and the Gold Coast are to get a Grooky franchise before them…
December 6th 2009 @ 8:32am
AndyRoo said | December 6th 2009 @ 8:32am | Report comment
I think the fact we still get to have world cups in brazil and south africa despite those countries not being the largest of economic powers suggests FIFA aren’t all bad.
December 6th 2009 @ 8:34am
Freud of Football said | December 6th 2009 @ 8:34am | Report comment
No, it suggests that FIFA was controlled by a Brazilian and South Africa have a certain Nelson Mandela who provided plenty of nice photo opportunities for FIFA bigwigs in the runup to the announcement.
December 6th 2009 @ 9:28am
KB said | December 6th 2009 @ 9:28am | Report comment
Give it up Freud, you are talking nonsense… It’s called sharing the glory and wealth…
December 6th 2009 @ 10:42am
Freud of Football said | December 6th 2009 @ 10:42am | Report comment
KB, It’s quite obvious. You’ve got zero idea.
December 6th 2009 @ 11:29am
Midfielder said | December 6th 2009 @ 11:29am | Report comment
Mate the moon is made of cheese… Santa is true… I have no idea of your knowledge of the world but you have about as much knowledge of world football & the awarding of SA the WC has than my moom is made of cheese..
Why do you find it so hard to believe that at one point in time an organisation made a choose that made them less money and everyone said would fail and held firm .. its blindly bias pre judged tho’s and statements from people who make me happy…
On Friday two guys from the ATO & ASIC who tho the world worked in certain ways made in heaps of coin by just such statements no research no analysis of any depth just tho this is the answer this is how it works… when they are faced with the facts they cry BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT BUt and the judge says sorry boys BUT BUT has no place in the facts.
Fued FIFA has heaps of faults but awarding the WC to SA is by one means one of them in fact it is one of sports high water marks… No idea what code you follow but I suggest you do some decent research like Pip and put up arguements that can be supported and not just blind bias .. .. can I smell some fear …
BTW mate hope you back the Australia WC bid .. will be great if we get it … love the Socceroos ….
December 6th 2009 @ 8:38am
Pippinu said | December 6th 2009 @ 8:38am | Report comment
Despite these things beng good for both Africa and South America – there’s no doubt that a fair bit of self-aggrandisement is part of the deal.
December 6th 2009 @ 9:32am
KB said | December 6th 2009 @ 9:32am | Report comment
Pippi re-read the FIFA mission statement if you are still confused…
December 6th 2009 @ 9:22am
AndyRoo said | December 6th 2009 @ 9:22am | Report comment
Yeh but that’s a lot better than it just being decided by who has the most cash every time.
Deciding to give a country the world cup because you get your photo taken with Nelson mandella…. not bad motives for mine.
Are the way Cricket World cups, Rugby world cups and the Olympics determined any better?
December 6th 2009 @ 10:19am
Pippinu said | December 6th 2009 @ 10:19am | Report comment
Well – Germany won 2006 via a different route.
December 6th 2009 @ 11:03am
KB said | December 6th 2009 @ 11:03am | Report comment
Freud,
you have out done yourself again … conspiracy theories and allegations backed up as per usual with no concrete proof…
December 6th 2009 @ 11:30am
KB said | December 6th 2009 @ 11:30am | Report comment
Well – Germany won 2006 via a different route.
Yep, and wasn’t Zepp outraged that he didn’t properly fix the voting process to his liking … lol… So what do you make of Zepp’s outrageous corruption activities—Charlie Dempsey voted informal against Zepp’s wishes… That’s democracy isn’t it..?
It happens in all the free world from the USA presidential elections down to our own Westminster system; dirty politics… Nothing new in that, totally acceptable these days, with preferential influences…
December 6th 2009 @ 11:40am
Freud of Football said | December 6th 2009 @ 11:40am | Report comment
I see you’ve not read a lot KB. There are sections in libraries dedicated to the corruption in FIFA and the game of football.
December 6th 2009 @ 12:05pm
KB said | December 6th 2009 @ 12:05pm | Report comment
Freud,
by whom, has there been any concrete evidence put forward to bring Zepp or the whole FIFA organisation to be held to account…??? FIFA have been actively engaged in outlawing, Drugs, Betting, Match Fixing, Corruption and Racism within football family…
Just because you have read a book by a disgruntled hack journo about his take on some outrageous corruption conspiracy theory, he holds dear, and you are so gullible in believing it, doesn’t make it fact … does it…?
December 6th 2009 @ 1:16pm
Pippinu said | December 6th 2009 @ 1:16pm | Report comment
I think the point is that Charlie didn’t vote at all – much to the chagrin of the OFC!!!
I’d call that a lot of things – but I wouldn’t call it democracy!!!
December 6th 2009 @ 1:32pm
KB said | December 6th 2009 @ 1:32pm | Report comment
Pippi,
his vote was declared informal much to the disgust of Zepp …. What would you have Zepp do, drag him to the poll to vote with a gun held to his head…?
December 6th 2009 @ 4:01pm
AndyRoo said | December 6th 2009 @ 4:01pm | Report comment
It’s a big organisation, I am sure there is plenty of negative but the they are not 100% in there just for the money. Freud and Pip seem to think Sepp doing this for his legacy is a bad thing but if that’s his motivation it’s a fine one. people considering their legacy tend to do good things, no one wants their legacy to be written as something like “ignored womens football”. if there motivation is personal glory and it leads to the improvement of Football then what is bad about that.
sepp copped it because when he presented the swiss team the u17 trophy he got a little bit excited andlifted it up. To me that sas he still loves football and the guy hasn’t exactly been biased towards europe.
Say for example the AFL’s push into GWS and the old coast, that seems to be a personal goal of Andrew D and if it’s succesful will be his legacy…it also happens to be good for the AFL probably. thats the thing about worrying about your legacy, it encourages you to do bold things that if succesful will be great deeds.
December 6th 2009 @ 4:22pm
dasilva said | December 6th 2009 @ 4:22pm | Report comment
KB
The whole Dempsey scenario showed the ugly nature of FIFA politics
Charles Dempsey was ordered by OFC to vote for South Africa
However when it became apparent that Charles would be the deciding vote.
Charles started to get undue pressure by the European nations to either abstain or vote for Germany.
Charles claimed that people attempted to bribe him, he also received threats such as Euro nations will make Oceania pay for this if you don’t vote for Germany etc.
Charlie Dempsey abstain because by his words he was under undue pressure not to vote for Germany and it really shouldn’t be used as a beacon that FIFA is a functional democracy.
December 6th 2009 @ 7:10pm
KB said | December 6th 2009 @ 7:10pm | Report comment
Das,
precisely; I am aware of the history… Charlie was caught in the middle.. Zepp was desperate for SA from the African confederation to have its first WC and that was FIFA’s position at the time, when João Havelange and Blatter had devised a rotation system policy for WCs rotating amongst confederations, and the UEFA were addiment that Europe had some God given right to host all of the WCs in Europe…
Charlie also was on the FIFA world cup selection committee as a voting delegate from Oceania and had given assurances to stand with Zepp, but caved in to EUFA… FIFA were not at fault as they tried to do the honourable thing to share the wealth generated by WCs amongst confederations to grow the game globally…
Blame UEFA’s selfishness for the collapse of the rotation system… But in the end I think Zepp had realised himself that, EUFA were then a force too big to fight on this issue, and so now we have a new selection format of a bidding process for WCs in place…
December 5th 2009 @ 5:39pm
Midfielder said | December 5th 2009 @ 5:39pm | Report comment
Pip
Sorry you thread is going off topic .. just for the record do agree with a lot of what Pip says in his article…
I am more annoyed with people like Jes who make their living from football and yet put the slipper into FIFA often… agian often with just cause but sometimes maybe some balance sometimes…
December 5th 2009 @ 5:45pm
Pippinu said | December 5th 2009 @ 5:45pm | Report comment
Mid
thanks – but I’m ok with all the comments made to date – no worries from me.
December 5th 2009 @ 10:19pm
marinator 4LYF said | December 5th 2009 @ 10:19pm | Report comment
may i suggest someone write an article titled “The Flipside Of FIFA” or something equivalent to let everyone know (including me) just how much goodwill they do in the world, just a thought??
December 6th 2009 @ 11:30am
Midfielder said | December 6th 2009 @ 11:30am | Report comment
Marinator
Welcome and that is not a bad idea…
December 6th 2009 @ 1:17pm
Pippinu said | December 6th 2009 @ 1:17pm | Report comment
Mid
be my guest!!
(I’m a bit weighed down now with my 8 part series looking at each WC group for 2010)