Comments on: World football is still too conservative

By: KB

KB — Sun, 06 Dec 2009 09:10:22 +0000

Das,
precisely; I am aware of the history… Charlie was caught in the middle.. Zepp was desperate for SA from the African confederation to have its first WC and that was FIFA’s position at the time, when João Havelange and Blatter had devised a rotation system policy for WCs rotating amongst confederations, and the UEFA were addiment that Europe had some God given right to host all of the WCs in Europe…

Charlie also was on the FIFA world cup selection committee as a voting delegate from Oceania and had given assurances to stand with Zepp, but caved in to EUFA… FIFA were not at fault as they tried to do the honourable thing to share the wealth generated by WCs amongst confederations to grow the game globally…

Blame UEFA’s selfishness for the collapse of the rotation system… But in the end I think Zepp had realised himself that, EUFA were then a force too big to fight on this issue, and so now we have a new selection format of a bidding process for WCs in place…

By: dasilva

dasilva — Sun, 06 Dec 2009 06:22:25 +0000

The whole Dempsey scenario showed the ugly nature of FIFA politics

Charles Dempsey was ordered by OFC to vote for South Africa

However when it became apparent that Charles would be the deciding vote.

Charles started to get undue pressure by the European nations to either abstain or vote for Germany.

Charles claimed that people attempted to bribe him, he also received threats such as Euro nations will make Oceania pay for this if you don’t vote for Germany etc.

Charlie Dempsey abstain because by his words he was under undue pressure not to vote for Germany and it really shouldn’t be used as a beacon that FIFA is a functional democracy.

By: AndyRoo

AndyRoo — Sun, 06 Dec 2009 06:01:35 +0000

It’s a big organisation, I am sure there is plenty of negative but the they are not 100% in there just for the money. Freud and Pip seem to think Sepp doing this for his legacy is a bad thing but if that’s his motivation it’s a fine one. people considering their legacy tend to do good things, no one wants their legacy to be written as something like “ignored womens football”. if there motivation is personal glory and it leads to the improvement of Football then what is bad about that.

sepp copped it because when he presented the swiss team the u17 trophy he got a little bit excited andlifted it up. To me that sas he still loves football and the guy hasn’t exactly been biased towards europe.

Say for example the AFL’s push into GWS and the old coast, that seems to be a personal goal of Andrew D and if it’s succesful will be his legacy…it also happens to be good for the AFL probably. thats the thing about worrying about your legacy, it encourages you to do bold things that if succesful will be great deeds.

By: KB

KB — Sun, 06 Dec 2009 03:32:13 +0000

Pippi,
his vote was declared informal much to the disgust of Zepp …. What would you have Zepp do, drag him to the poll to vote with a gun held to his head…?

By: Pippinu

Pippinu — Sun, 06 Dec 2009 03:17:17 +0000

Mid
be my guest!!

(I’m a bit weighed down now with my 8 part series looking at each WC group for 2010)

By: Pippinu

Pippinu — Sun, 06 Dec 2009 03:16:18 +0000

I think the point is that Charlie didn’t vote at all – much to the chagrin of the OFC!!!

I’d call that a lot of things – but I wouldn’t call it democracy!!!

By: KB

KB — Sun, 06 Dec 2009 02:05:26 +0000

Freud,
by whom, has there been any concrete evidence put forward to bring Zepp or the whole FIFA organisation to be held to account…??? FIFA have been actively engaged in outlawing, Drugs, Betting, Match Fixing, Corruption and Racism within football family…

Just because you have read a book by a disgruntled hack journo about his take on some outrageous corruption conspiracy theory, he holds dear, and you are so gullible in believing it, doesn’t make it fact … does it…?

By: Freud of Football

Freud of Football — Sun, 06 Dec 2009 01:40:23 +0000

I see you’ve not read a lot KB. There are sections in libraries dedicated to the corruption in FIFA and the game of football.

By: Midfielder

Midfielder — Sun, 06 Dec 2009 01:30:21 +0000

Marinator

Welcome and that is not a bad idea…

By: KB

KB — Sun, 06 Dec 2009 01:30:15 +0000

Well – Germany won 2006 via a different route.

Yep, and wasn’t Zepp outraged that he didn’t properly fix the voting process to his liking … lol… So what do you make of Zepp’s outrageous corruption activities—Charlie Dempsey voted informal against Zepp’s wishes… That’s democracy isn’t it..?

It happens in all the free world from the USA presidential elections down to our own Westminster system; dirty politics… Nothing new in that, totally acceptable these days, with preferential influences…

By: Midfielder

Midfielder — Sun, 06 Dec 2009 01:29:10 +0000

Mate the moon is made of cheese… Santa is true… I have no idea of your knowledge of the world but you have about as much knowledge of world football & the awarding of SA the WC has than my moom is made of cheese..

Why do you find it so hard to believe that at one point in time an organisation made a choose that made them less money and everyone said would fail and held firm .. its blindly bias pre judged tho’s and statements from people who make me happy…

On Friday two guys from the ATO & ASIC who tho the world worked in certain ways made in heaps of coin by just such statements no research no analysis of any depth just tho this is the answer this is how it works… when they are faced with the facts they cry BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT BUt and the judge says sorry boys BUT BUT has no place in the facts.

Fued FIFA has heaps of faults but awarding the WC to SA is by one means one of them in fact it is one of sports high water marks… No idea what code you follow but I suggest you do some decent research like Pip and put up arguements that can be supported and not just blind bias .. .. can I smell some fear …

BTW mate hope you back the Australia WC bid .. will be great if we get it … love the Socceroos ….

By: KB

KB — Sun, 06 Dec 2009 01:03:07 +0000

Freud,
you have out done yourself again … conspiracy theories and allegations backed up as per usual with no concrete proof…

By: Freud of Football

Freud of Football — Sun, 06 Dec 2009 00:42:35 +0000

KB, It’s quite obvious. You’ve got zero idea.

By: Pippinu

Pippinu — Sun, 06 Dec 2009 00:19:34 +0000

Well – Germany won 2006 via a different route.

By: KB

KB — Sat, 05 Dec 2009 23:32:38 +0000

Pippi re-read the FIFA mission statement if you are still confused…

By: KB

KB — Sat, 05 Dec 2009 23:28:48 +0000

Give it up Freud, you are talking nonsense… It’s called sharing the glory and wealth…

By: AndyRoo

AndyRoo — Sat, 05 Dec 2009 23:22:41 +0000

Yeh but that’s a lot better than it just being decided by who has the most cash every time.

Deciding to give a country the world cup because you get your photo taken with Nelson mandella…. not bad motives for mine.

Are the way Cricket World cups, Rugby world cups and the Olympics determined any better?

By: KB

KB — Sat, 05 Dec 2009 23:20:20 +0000

Oh really it is…? What is it about the ball..? … Come on Feud, you are an intelligent man (I think) Redb, got it wrong, “the player distance covered stat” is what he was confused with, which is now being introduce across a number of codes….

By: Freud of Football

Freud of Football — Sat, 05 Dec 2009 22:51:04 +0000

And for longer in the AFL. Why would they want to ball-track? Well apparently the readouts are a little more complex than just where the ball is, look it up yourself.

By: Pippinu

Pippinu — Sat, 05 Dec 2009 22:38:13 +0000

Despite these things beng good for both Africa and South America – there’s no doubt that a fair bit of self-aggrandisement is part of the deal.

By: KB

KB — Sat, 05 Dec 2009 22:37:31 +0000

Why on earth would they want to track a ball …? Football officiators have been tracking football players (distance covered) for more than 5 years…

By: Freud of Football

Freud of Football — Sat, 05 Dec 2009 22:34:28 +0000

No, it suggests that FIFA was controlled by a Brazilian and South Africa have a certain Nelson Mandela who provided plenty of nice photo opportunities for FIFA bigwigs in the runup to the announcement.

By: Freud of Football

Freud of Football — Sat, 05 Dec 2009 22:33:07 +0000

That was in response to your earlier post.

By: AndyRoo

AndyRoo — Sat, 05 Dec 2009 22:32:09 +0000

I think the fact we still get to have world cups in brazil and south africa despite those countries not being the largest of economic powers suggests FIFA aren’t all bad.

By: KB

KB — Sat, 05 Dec 2009 22:26:21 +0000

And how many votes does the Tasmanian AFL branch have in AFL HQ ? That’s why GWS and the Gold Coast are to get a Grooky franchise before them…

By: KB

KB — Sat, 05 Dec 2009 22:19:18 +0000

Geez Freud, I had no idea that FIFA employ an army of CIA agents to write drivel about the AFL; are you sure…???????

By: Pippinu

Pippinu — Sat, 05 Dec 2009 21:46:37 +0000

…and the former rotation policy, and the fact that it was a bit of a pet project (and on that point, no one can deny that it will be a great thing for the African continent).

By: Pippinu

Pippinu — Sat, 05 Dec 2009 21:45:01 +0000

Three cheers for the pig skin!!!!

Waste not, want not, it’s good that we can use our porkers for more than just a food souce!!

By: Freud of Football

Freud of Football — Sat, 05 Dec 2009 13:37:59 +0000

How many votes does Africa have at FIFA? That’s the reason why there is finally a WC in Africa.

By: Freud of Football

Freud of Football — Sat, 05 Dec 2009 13:36:50 +0000

You’re a bit blind to the truth KB. FIFA employe plenty of people to write drivel like that. You don’t even have to read up on them to find out how shambolic they are, just have a proper look at Blatter in the Henry-Handball incident, his treatment of the Irish and their request, of Henry etc etc etc.

FIFA isn’t about the game, it’s about Power and while it doesn’t say it in the slogan, it is completely true.