Tough draw for Socceroos in South Africa
By Mike Tuckerman, 5 Dec 2009 Mike Tuckerman is a Roar Expert
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Australia's Harry Kewell takes control of the ball from Ghana's Eric Addo as Kewell's team mate Joel Griffiths offers support during their friendly match at the Sydney Football Stadium, Sydney, Friday, May 23, 2008. AAP Image/Dean Lewins
It’s official, Australia will face Germany, Ghana and Serbia in the group stage at 2010 World Cup in South Africa. It’s already been labelled a “group of death” by some, but nobody said it would be easy for Pim Verbeek and his side.
Things could have been worse: the enigmatic Korea DPR look to have next to no chance of escaping from a group containing Brazil, Cote d’Ivoire and Portugal.
But there’s no doubt that Australia have been dealt a tough draw in South Africa, although Verbeek will be pleased to get the clash with the Germans out of the way first.
Sneak a point against Germany in Durban, and Australia’s clash with Ghana in Rustenburg takes on monumental proportions, leading into a final group stage game against a gritty Serbia in Nelspruit.
The opening clash continues Australia’s historical links with Germany, after the Socceroos met both West and East Germany in 1974, before facing off against the unified version at the Confederations Cup in 2005.
Australia have, of course, beaten Ghana in a recent friendly – but a World Cup meeting on African soil represents a far more difficult prospect.
It also means that the Socceroos could once again face another make-or-break final day clash against a former Yugoslav state, as Australia follow up their 2006 encounter against Croatia with an equally daunting meeting with Serbia this time around.
The Serbs topped their qualifying group from France and possess one of the meanest defences in European football – even if their U-23 side failed to impress in Australia’s group at the 2008 Beijing Olympics.
Despite being handed a tough draw, Verbeek was nevertheless upbeat about Australia’s chances of progression – where England almost certainly await in the second round.
If Australia have drawn a “group of death,” then the English must be rejoicing over their “group of life,” after Fabio Capello’s side landed USA, Algeria and Slovenia, in what must be one of the easiest draws ever handed to an English side.
Should England top their group – as expected – and Australia finish second, then the Socceroos will face off against Capello’s men in Rustenburg on June 26.
It’s a dream scenario for Australian fans, but first comes the tricky task of negotiating a group containing a genuine European heavyweight and one of Africa’s most exciting sides.
The Socceroos now have six months to prepare for their group stage opener against the Germans on June 14, with a number of high profile friendlies set to be scheduled in the build-up to the big event.
It could have been an easier draw, but the Socceroos are nothing if not determined, and they will relish the chance of coming up against some of the world’s best.
The opponents are known, the fixture list is in place – now it’s up to Pim Verbeek and his side to get the job done in a tough-looking Group D.
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December 5th 2009 @ 11:13am
Midfielder said | December 5th 2009 @ 11:13am | Report comment
I posted in Tony’s thread I have tho we would play Germany in the WC for about three years now … and tho we would always win…OK Ok I may be mad … actually blame KB ever since he sent some of those weak Blue pills down my meds have not quite that punch anymore … But I for some crazy reason think we will beat Germany ..
December 5th 2009 @ 11:46am
KB said | December 5th 2009 @ 11:46am | Report comment
Yeeah you will need them tonight I’ve got my tix for the blockbuster at Fortress Miron…
2-0
December 5th 2009 @ 1:37pm
Midfielder said | December 5th 2009 @ 1:37pm | Report comment
If you go tonight KD watch weeMac & Travis sheer joy …
December 5th 2009 @ 2:31pm
KB said | December 5th 2009 @ 2:31pm | Report comment
I am going tonight and I shall be watching only my boys.. We need a good performance tonight to restore the faith in the supporters … It’s a fantastic ground 5k can sound like 10K although I sit and watch in silence these days but “the Beach” end certainly know how to support their team..
December 5th 2009 @ 2:47pm
Midfielder said | December 5th 2009 @ 2:47pm | Report comment
KB
Have a good night but you will enjoy Teavis & weeMac hope its a good game with the right result and that is a win by the mighty Mariners over Fold Coast (lol)….
How is schoolies treating you as a local…
December 5th 2009 @ 2:54pm
KB said | December 5th 2009 @ 2:54pm | Report comment
My mobile phone never stops ring man … too many chicks ….
December 5th 2009 @ 11:20am
Rob said | December 5th 2009 @ 11:20am | Report comment
Hardly a “Group of Death”. I would imagine the Germans are feeling pretty comfortable today.
December 5th 2009 @ 11:21am
Realfootball said | December 5th 2009 @ 11:21am | Report comment
I think it is fair to say that Australia could potentially beat any team in this group and that potentially any team in the group could beat Australia. Three fascinating games coming up.
A real shame that no young bolter has come through to stake a claim in the striking department. Ruka, Djite and Burns have sunk without trace. We have no x factor this world cup, which is a big difference. Australia will be hard to beat, but will struggle to win. If at any point the Roos go 2 goals down against these teams, that game is out the window. We can expect a very defensive approach from Verbeek – even more so than he has shown to date.
December 5th 2009 @ 11:27am
pothale said | December 5th 2009 @ 11:27am | Report comment
If the Germans are their usual organised selves, not a chance of them being beaten by Oz. Might nick a draw if they’re first up, though.
December 5th 2009 @ 11:40am
sheek said | December 5th 2009 @ 11:40am | Report comment
I fee-eel good….. do-da, do-da, do-dum…..
Yo still have to beat what’s in front of you. We could have drawn Brazil & Portugal -ouch!
One thing about the likely Socceroos squad. Even if it’s deemed weaker man for man than 2006, there is an experienced core of players with previous world cup experience. That kind of experience is priceless.
In 2006, the Socceroos were like kids in a lolly shop. In 2010 they’ll be more circumspect. And our players ought to be comfortable on the hard, sunny grounds of SA – just like Aussie!
Go SOCCEROOS!
December 5th 2009 @ 11:57am
Pippinu said | December 5th 2009 @ 11:57am | Report comment
And it has to be said – World Cups are about survival through adversity – tough, battle hardened teams can go a very long way without ever really doing anything spectacular – and the examples of that in WC history are absolutely endless – in fact – every four years at least two of the four semi finalists can be categorised as thus (and just about every second runners up in the history of the comp could be put in the same category).
December 5th 2009 @ 12:30pm
Realfootball said | December 5th 2009 @ 12:30pm | Report comment
Very true. There’s no doubting this Roo team’s toughness. But we so need the kind of x factor that Kewell used to give us when he still had that incredible pace. I had high hopes for Rukavytsia, but he seems to have stalled completely. Anyway, he wouldn’t fit in Verbeek’s ossified tactical shape, so it’s academic.
December 5th 2009 @ 2:10pm
jimbo said | December 5th 2009 @ 2:10pm | Report comment
Pip,
you also need to live with each other and get on together for at least 3-4 weeks without your ego, fast car, hot chicks and recreational drugs, which is why tempermental, prima donna teams don’t do well in major tournaments.
Germany and Australia have always overachieved in big tournaments and have great comraderie and team spirit and work ethic.
But this is a tough group and the bar has been raised higher.
I wouldn’t count on this team not rising to the challenge – no one expected us to even qualify last time.
December 5th 2009 @ 2:58pm
Realfootball said | December 5th 2009 @ 2:58pm | Report comment
Someone once memorably described the Roos as “the Bolton Wanderers of international football”. Spot on. And on their day, Bolton can beat Man U. I am already looking forward to the game against Germany. Please Lucas, avoid the temptation to have a little lie down on the edge of the 6 yard box this time.
December 5th 2009 @ 6:09pm
jack said | December 5th 2009 @ 6:09pm | Report comment
jimbo what tournaments have australia overachieved in? we have only played 2 world cups and the confederations cup is not even close to being a big tournament. the group is a tough one but all this talk about how played with ghana in friendies is for people with no football sense.portugal lost 6-2 to brazil in a friendly but neither side is going to give a damn about that. people still talk about beating england in 2003 and it doesn’t mean a thing. friendlies are meaningless unless you want to try some new players out.
December 5th 2009 @ 6:55pm
jimbo said | December 5th 2009 @ 6:55pm | Report comment
Jack,
Australia did very well to qualify for the ’74 WC when you look at the qualification process they had to go through and given the gulf between our amateur game and the rest of the professional football world at that time, I think they did well.
Then the qualification against Uruguay and the WC of 2006. We were not expected to qualify against Uruguay and expected to lose again.
At Germany 06 we weren’t expected to get through the first round or even win a game, but we did.
I think you are too dismissive of the value of the Confeds Cup and friendlies because we have had some very good results over the years and often won games where we are the underdog, particularly England in England, Holland in Holland and Ireland in Ireland.
The friendly against Holland before Germany 06 was of enormous benefit to the team and that’s one of the great benefits of playing friendlies, whether you disregard the result or not – playing together as a team, building team confidence and learning from playing against different technical opponents.
I think Adelaide United’s performance to get to the final of the Asian Champions League is another example of how Aussies perform well as underdogs, when not expected to win.
Not sure what your slant is and I agree it’s a tough group, but I’m expecting the Socceroos to win at least one of their games at SA 2010 and they have the team spirit and temperament and work ethic to do better than people think they will – once again.
Very much looking forward to it all.
December 5th 2009 @ 9:06pm
dasilva said | December 5th 2009 @ 9:06pm | Report comment
Ok so we can’t rate Australia because our performance against Ghana is meaningless
However that works both way so we shouldn’t really rate Ghana either because that friendly is meaningless
So how do we compare sides when you never played against each other in a competitive match ever before. You may say look at the players, however that’s just a gauge on individual player quality and not how cohesive the team is.
IF the only thing has meaning is past performance in world cup then Australia and Ghana are pretty equal team as we both made the round of 16.
So really, Ghana and Australia are pretty much an evenly matched team.
December 5th 2009 @ 9:13pm
AndyRoo said | December 5th 2009 @ 9:13pm | Report comment
Yeh that’s 3 teams that made the last 16 in 06 and Serbia who finished top of their European group.
It’s a good group recent achievment wise.
December 5th 2009 @ 6:47pm
Roger Rational said | December 5th 2009 @ 6:47pm | Report comment
LOL @ everyone under-estimating the Germans.
Guys, the Germans are machines in knock-out tournaments. You would have been much better off drawing a more technical but mentally weaker team. I think Germany is just about the worst possible draw. They won’t be overawed physically, and they’ll have way too much class and nous for the Aussies.
Serbia and Ghana are beatable, but I’d put the Aussies chances of progressing no higher than 25%.
December 5th 2009 @ 7:50pm
midfield general said | December 5th 2009 @ 7:50pm | Report comment
If it’s any consolation a quick scan of UK web sites label this group as the second group of death, particularly for the Germans, and they all seem to rate Australia as a fair chance to qualify.
December 5th 2009 @ 7:55pm
Pippinu said | December 5th 2009 @ 7:55pm | Report comment
The English are happy to rate anyone ahead of the Germans – and they’re usually wrong!!
December 5th 2009 @ 7:33pm
jimbo said | December 5th 2009 @ 7:33pm | Report comment
There have been plenty of upsets in big tournaments, even for Germany, who were beaten by Algeria 3-2 in their first match of the 1982 WC.
They are going well at the moment but they have had some disappointing results and tournaments in the past just the same. 2-1 loss against Bulgaria, 5-3 and 4-2 losses to Switzerland, 5-3 loss to the Czechs, 3-2 elimination by Austria in 1978 WC, eliminated 3-0 by Croatia in 1998 WC.
Germany exited Euro 2000 in the first round and Euro 2004 without winning a game, 2-1 loss to Croatia in Euro 2008.
I don’t think everyone is underestimating the Germans, no one has predicted we will beat them, but a draw is the realistic goal for our first game.
December 5th 2009 @ 7:36pm
Pippinu said | December 5th 2009 @ 7:36pm | Report comment
That was 2-1 to Algeria.
It was a rare slip up for Germany (who still made the final, barely deserving to do so) – and I guess that’s the thing about Germany.
December 5th 2009 @ 7:58pm
midfield general said | December 5th 2009 @ 7:58pm | Report comment
I don’t know much about the current Algerian side but they can’t be too bad having beaten Egypt, who I thought was right up there with Ivory Coast in Africa. Are Poms deluding themselves that this is an easy group? I think so, because Slovenia’s not too bad either, and anything can happen against the US in the opening game.
December 5th 2009 @ 8:05pm
Ingerlund said | December 5th 2009 @ 8:05pm | Report comment
England will spank Algeria and Slovenia geezer.
December 5th 2009 @ 7:47pm
jimbo said | December 5th 2009 @ 7:47pm | Report comment
So what do we do – don’t bother to go to the WC because on paper it appears we have no chance to beat Germany and some people think we we have no chance to get past round 1.
Lets give it to Spain or Brazil now and avoid all the trouble.
Italy bowed out in round 1 of Euro 2004 and had some pretty ordinary results up till Germany 06 and they were’nt one of the favourites going in to the tournament, but are FIFA world champions now.
December 5th 2009 @ 7:53pm
Pippinu said | December 5th 2009 @ 7:53pm | Report comment
Yes – but that’s Italy for you – will probably bomb out to NZ this time around!
February 6th 2010 @ 9:40am
Michael said | February 6th 2010 @ 9:40am | Report comment
….I look at the currrent Aussie team and it has the relics of the 2006 outfit albeit a lot of them have grown older and slower–think the Aussie will have their work cut out for them… the big names just not there in the same way as 2006.. also dont sense the excitment that was there with the players anymore which gives any team that edge. THE 2006 TEAM LOOK LIKE GOOD FROM HERE.GOOD LUCK THOUGH!!