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	<title>Comments on: Wallabies star Cooper charged with burglary</title>
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		<title>By: jus de couchon</title>
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		<dc:creator>jus de couchon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always thought a criminal record was a condition of entry into that part of the world. Mr Cooper may be genetically predisposed to find himself in this unfortunate situation. A ball and chain would certainly effect his contribution to an already struggling Oz backline IMO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always thought a criminal record was a condition of entry into that part of the world. Mr Cooper may be genetically predisposed to find himself in this unfortunate situation. A ball and chain would certainly effect his contribution to an already struggling Oz backline IMO.</p>
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		<title>By: Karlos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karlos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 13:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh my God these Rugby Union stars are a disgrace. And suddenly people should be given the benefit of the doubt. Not so when a League player is wrongly accused. 

AUSTRALIAN rugby has been rocked by the news that a second young Wallaby will face a criminal charge in the space of a week after NSW utility back Kurtley Beale was charged with assault. 
AUSTRALIAN rugby has been rocked by the news that a second young Wallaby will face a criminal charge in the space of a week after NSW utility back Kurtley Beale was charged with assault.

Wallabies playmaker Quade Cooper appeared in Southport Magistrates Court on a burglary charge last Friday and the case has been adjourned until July 2.

And now Beale will appear in Mount Druitt Local Court in western Sydney on January 13 on a charge of common assault.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh my God these Rugby Union stars are a disgrace. And suddenly people should be given the benefit of the doubt. Not so when a League player is wrongly accused. </p>
<p>AUSTRALIAN rugby has been rocked by the news that a second young Wallaby will face a criminal charge in the space of a week after NSW utility back Kurtley Beale was charged with assault.<br />
AUSTRALIAN rugby has been rocked by the news that a second young Wallaby will face a criminal charge in the space of a week after NSW utility back Kurtley Beale was charged with assault.</p>
<p>Wallabies playmaker Quade Cooper appeared in Southport Magistrates Court on a burglary charge last Friday and the case has been adjourned until July 2.</p>
<p>And now Beale will appear in Mount Druitt Local Court in western Sydney on January 13 on a charge of common assault.</p>
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		<title>By: anopinion</title>
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		<dc:creator>anopinion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 05:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair point. A better comparison would be the Australian Rugby Team v the Australian League Team for behaviour issues. Or the Qld and NSW Rugby Teams V the State of Origin Teams. I have been part of a rugby club for many years and have never seen a club member on assault charges. Why? It has nothing to do with the media, just better behaviour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair point. A better comparison would be the Australian Rugby Team v the Australian League Team for behaviour issues. Or the Qld and NSW Rugby Teams V the State of Origin Teams. I have been part of a rugby club for many years and have never seen a club member on assault charges. Why? It has nothing to do with the media, just better behaviour.</p>
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		<title>By: Joh4Canberra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joh4Canberra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 18:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Daniel J: No prizes for guessing my profession either (if you call it a &quot;profession&quot; that is; I&#039;m not currently gainfully employed in the law since I am undertaking a PhD in constitutional law).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Daniel J: No prizes for guessing my profession either (if you call it a &#8220;profession&#8221; that is; I&#8217;m not currently gainfully employed in the law since I am undertaking a PhD in constitutional law).</p>
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		<title>By: westy</title>
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		<dc:creator>westy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 09:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quade is desperately trying to contact Greg Bird&#039;s mate to see if he was up at Surfer&#039;s on the evening in question</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quade is desperately trying to contact Greg Bird&#8217;s mate to see if he was up at Surfer&#8217;s on the evening in question</p>
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		<title>By: westy</title>
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		<dc:creator>westy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 07:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mattamkll I do not but Tiger is heading for a baker&#039;s dozen and its only Wednesday. i have volunteered to act as Tiger&#039;s wife&#039;s divorce attorney I just need to be speed up being admitted in Florida. Very generous divorce laws just ask Greg Norman!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mattamkll I do not but Tiger is heading for a baker&#8217;s dozen and its only Wednesday. i have volunteered to act as Tiger&#8217;s wife&#8217;s divorce attorney I just need to be speed up being admitted in Florida. Very generous divorce laws just ask Greg Norman!</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 07:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Joe - Cheers for the elaboration i simple didn&#039;t have enough time to articulate it any further :) but yes you articulated it superbly, enough hints i guess as to what my profession is..... But generally as you stated below, i think it would be incredible unlikely that he would be able to source a professional sporting visa for most western countries if convicted, but i guess we will have to wait and see how this pans out. 

However, burglary is a particularly serious offence in QLD under the QLD Criminal Code there could also be many different aggravating factors that the DPP could pursue, however that again is another issue. How hard will the DPP push their case against him? and what actual evidence can be produced? Can&#039;t wait till Friday!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Joe &#8211; Cheers for the elaboration i simple didn&#8217;t have enough time to articulate it any further <img src='http://cdn0.theroar.com.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  but yes you articulated it superbly, enough hints i guess as to what my profession is&#8230;.. But generally as you stated below, i think it would be incredible unlikely that he would be able to source a professional sporting visa for most western countries if convicted, but i guess we will have to wait and see how this pans out. </p>
<p>However, burglary is a particularly serious offence in QLD under the QLD Criminal Code there could also be many different aggravating factors that the DPP could pursue, however that again is another issue. How hard will the DPP push their case against him? and what actual evidence can be produced? Can&#8217;t wait till Friday!</p>
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		<title>By: Barking Glider</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barking Glider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 07:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really? One man made one error in judgment, confessed it to his wife, and they moved on. The other has apparently committed adultery with at least 10 other women, who knows how many times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really? One man made one error in judgment, confessed it to his wife, and they moved on. The other has apparently committed adultery with at least 10 other women, who knows how many times.</p>
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		<title>By: Darwin hammer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darwin hammer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 06:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BG - if you can&#039;t see the difference between Tiger Woods and Matt Johns then there&#039;s something wrong with your preception ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BG &#8211; if you can&#8217;t see the difference between Tiger Woods and Matt Johns then there&#8217;s something wrong with your preception &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Joh4Canberra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joh4Canberra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 06:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one actually said that by engaging in a chilli sauce eating contest Cooper was immature. As my use of question marks (three no less) would indicate, I was merely offering a suggestion (prompted by mattamkll&#039;s question) as to what Parisien might have meant. I didn&#039;t say such behaviour was immature and in his subsequent answer neither did Parisien. So I don&#039;t think there is any &quot;moral high grounding&quot; here by anyone and no need to get in a tizz about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one actually said that by engaging in a chilli sauce eating contest Cooper was immature. As my use of question marks (three no less) would indicate, I was merely offering a suggestion (prompted by mattamkll&#8217;s question) as to what Parisien might have meant. I didn&#8217;t say such behaviour was immature and in his subsequent answer neither did Parisien. So I don&#8217;t think there is any &#8220;moral high grounding&#8221; here by anyone and no need to get in a tizz about it.</p>
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		<title>By: mattamkII</title>
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		<dc:creator>mattamkII</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 02:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh the poor NRL boys....say again, if you want 10x as much normal press week in week out you have to expect the same when things go wrong. 

Barking Glider - how the hell you can draw a line between Tiger and Johns is amazing and a little sad to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh the poor NRL boys&#8230;.say again, if you want 10x as much normal press week in week out you have to expect the same when things go wrong. </p>
<p>Barking Glider &#8211; how the hell you can draw a line between Tiger and Johns is amazing and a little sad to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Bay35Pablo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bay35Pablo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 21:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whisper is Cooper was on a bucks night, and can&#039;t remember much of the night Well he would say that wouldn&#039;t he ...).

I am reminded of Wycliff palu getting busted earlier this year for a DUI and losing his licence. it barely got a mention. When I saw it, I thought if that wss a league player ... Mind you,. at the time RL had a story like that every week, so the media were in hype mode.

The media cares about one thing - sales. At the end of the day they&#039;d report on scrabble if it was popular.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whisper is Cooper was on a bucks night, and can&#8217;t remember much of the night Well he would say that wouldn&#8217;t he &#8230;).</p>
<p>I am reminded of Wycliff palu getting busted earlier this year for a DUI and losing his licence. it barely got a mention. When I saw it, I thought if that wss a league player &#8230; Mind you,. at the time RL had a story like that every week, so the media were in hype mode.</p>
<p>The media cares about one thing &#8211; sales. At the end of the day they&#8217;d report on scrabble if it was popular.</p>
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		<title>By: Bay35Pablo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bay35Pablo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 21:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone has now. Must be a Roarer who took the suggestion ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone has now. Must be a Roarer who took the suggestion &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Barking Glider</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barking Glider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 19:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saw that. They also said that Tiger Woods (What&#039;s the count now - 10 women?) had no obligation to front the media and explain himself. Whereas after just one moral misdemeanour they all wanted Matty Johns cut up on the floor on live national tv.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saw that. They also said that Tiger Woods (What&#8217;s the count now &#8211; 10 women?) had no obligation to front the media and explain himself. Whereas after just one moral misdemeanour they all wanted Matty Johns cut up on the floor on live national tv.</p>
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		<title>By: Barking Glider</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barking Glider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 19:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>anopinion said: &quot;Actually rugby has a good track record of players behaving well. I will criticise the ARU if they fail to act on this. Do RL players have the same track record of good behaviour?&quot;

A typical smugby analysis. The NRL has over 400 first grade players. That&#039;s not counting another 400 potential news stories via the NYC players. The media also go after NSW and Queensland Cup players, and retired players, and even the relative of club owners. So what&#039;s that? 1000 potential players for Gallop to be worried about? 

As we&#039;ve seen with Cooper, one of the lesser known Wallabies is reported upon with less attention and hysteria than a NSW Cup player. The ARU also have only about 30 to 40 contracted players. 

There are far less RU players, so there damn well should be less incidents. Doesn&#039;t prove that on a pro rata basis that RU players are better behaved than league players.

A fairer comparison would be to compare Wallabies to Aussie cricketers or the Socceroos. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anopinion said: &#8220;Actually rugby has a good track record of players behaving well. I will criticise the ARU if they fail to act on this. Do RL players have the same track record of good behaviour?&#8221;</p>
<p>A typical smugby analysis. The NRL has over 400 first grade players. That&#8217;s not counting another 400 potential news stories via the NYC players. The media also go after NSW and Queensland Cup players, and retired players, and even the relative of club owners. So what&#8217;s that? 1000 potential players for Gallop to be worried about? </p>
<p>As we&#8217;ve seen with Cooper, one of the lesser known Wallabies is reported upon with less attention and hysteria than a NSW Cup player. The ARU also have only about 30 to 40 contracted players. </p>
<p>There are far less RU players, so there damn well should be less incidents. Doesn&#8217;t prove that on a pro rata basis that RU players are better behaved than league players.</p>
<p>A fairer comparison would be to compare Wallabies to Aussie cricketers or the Socceroos.</p>
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		<title>By: Parisien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Parisien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 17:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>whoa there, steady on mattamkll! I wasn’t making any point at all, just an observation or reflection.

I was thinking its sad that several weeks ago this young man was having a fun dare with his equally young friends and teammates for thrills in a Dublin restaurant, a Wallaby, on tour in Europe, and living an adventure most only dream of, and now is up on burglary charges back home on the Gold Coast. I was not at all intending to imply that he may have committed a burglary just for thrills, and its certainly not moral high grounding. I had loved that story about the hot sauce and it now seems a world away.

I actually think its a great shame being an admirer of Cooper the rugby player for some time now and was dismayed like many others to hear the news, especially as he had a great tour and was providing the Wallaby backline with much of the unpredictability and creative spark that they were lacking. If he is found guilty, it will be a loss to Australian rugby and a big blow to Cooper, his family, friends and his supporters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>whoa there, steady on mattamkll! I wasn’t making any point at all, just an observation or reflection.</p>
<p>I was thinking its sad that several weeks ago this young man was having a fun dare with his equally young friends and teammates for thrills in a Dublin restaurant, a Wallaby, on tour in Europe, and living an adventure most only dream of, and now is up on burglary charges back home on the Gold Coast. I was not at all intending to imply that he may have committed a burglary just for thrills, and its certainly not moral high grounding. I had loved that story about the hot sauce and it now seems a world away.</p>
<p>I actually think its a great shame being an admirer of Cooper the rugby player for some time now and was dismayed like many others to hear the news, especially as he had a great tour and was providing the Wallaby backline with much of the unpredictability and creative spark that they were lacking. If he is found guilty, it will be a loss to Australian rugby and a big blow to Cooper, his family, friends and his supporters.</p>
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		<title>By: Parisien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Parisien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 17:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>no, see below

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no, see below</p>
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		<title>By: anopinion</title>
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		<dc:creator>anopinion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 11:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually rugby has a good track record of players behaving well. I will criticise the ARU if they fail to act on this. Do RL players have the same track record of good behaviour?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually rugby has a good track record of players behaving well. I will criticise the ARU if they fail to act on this. Do RL players have the same track record of good behaviour?</p>
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		<title>By: anopinion</title>
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		<dc:creator>anopinion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 11:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Got myself in a twist? Excuse me mate but I think you read poorly. Try reading through the thread again and see if you can comprehend it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Got myself in a twist? Excuse me mate but I think you read poorly. Try reading through the thread again and see if you can comprehend it.</p>
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		<title>By: Rockin Rod</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rockin Rod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 09:52:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who just saw THE BACK PAGE ON FOX SPORTS ????? 
Their is a good side to Quade Cooper, lets not judge him just yet.
Camp Quality ambassador etc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who just saw THE BACK PAGE ON FOX SPORTS ?????<br />
Their is a good side to Quade Cooper, lets not judge him just yet.<br />
Camp Quality ambassador etc</p>
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		<title>By: damo</title>
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		<dc:creator>damo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 09:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PJ You should read a little more than just the League News. The reason league players get the heat is because the game is over-hyped. 
&quot;Live by the hype - die by the hype&quot; That is why silly league players get caned in the papers. This is nothing to do with the relative quality of each game or the integrity of each mob of fans. 
League is over-hyped. I enjoy a tight game of 5 tackles and a kick. I played it. But I reckon rugby union is the greatest game of all. 
Just accept the fact that rugby loving people exist. You don&#039;t have to become one. Stop insulting us as an expression of your disapproval of our passion for original rugby. It&#039;s just a game. If you don&#039;t like it don&#039;t watch it . And get off our thread . It&#039;s &quot;hypocritical&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PJ You should read a little more than just the League News. The reason league players get the heat is because the game is over-hyped.<br />
&#8220;Live by the hype &#8211; die by the hype&#8221; That is why silly league players get caned in the papers. This is nothing to do with the relative quality of each game or the integrity of each mob of fans.<br />
League is over-hyped. I enjoy a tight game of 5 tackles and a kick. I played it. But I reckon rugby union is the greatest game of all.<br />
Just accept the fact that rugby loving people exist. You don&#8217;t have to become one. Stop insulting us as an expression of your disapproval of our passion for original rugby. It&#8217;s just a game. If you don&#8217;t like it don&#8217;t watch it . And get off our thread . It&#8217;s &#8220;hypocritical&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: mattamkII</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/12/07/wallabies-star-quade-cooper-charged-with-burglary/comment-page-5/#comment-263476</link>
		<dc:creator>mattamkII</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 05:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh get over it...a bunch of blokes just out of their teens having a chili sauce eating comp is immature? my god I have seen some moral high grounding before but this is classic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh get over it&#8230;a bunch of blokes just out of their teens having a chili sauce eating comp is immature? my god I have seen some moral high grounding before but this is classic.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe4Canberra</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/12/07/wallabies-star-quade-cooper-charged-with-burglary/comment-page-5/#comment-263438</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe4Canberra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 05:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>he&#039;s immature???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>he&#8217;s immature???</p>
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		<title>By: Joe4Canberra</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/12/07/wallabies-star-quade-cooper-charged-with-burglary/comment-page-5/#comment-263434</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe4Canberra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 05:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An Australian actor? How about a famous Polish-French film director? Sure, the American authorities might try to extradite you, but at least you can count on a bunch of Hollywood celebrities to justify a grown man anally raping a 13 year old girl. Go figure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An Australian actor? How about a famous Polish-French film director? Sure, the American authorities might try to extradite you, but at least you can count on a bunch of Hollywood celebrities to justify a grown man anally raping a 13 year old girl. Go figure.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe4Canberra</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/12/07/wallabies-star-quade-cooper-charged-with-burglary/comment-page-1/#comment-263425</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe4Canberra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 05:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe, maybe not. It will certainly make it a lot harder for him to get a visa to ply his trade overseas and limit his options but I wouldn&#039;t say it would be *impossible* for him. Granting a visa is a discretionary act. A conviction thererfore doesn&#039;t automatically mean no visa. But it will of course increase the likelihood of being denied one. So there&#039;s still a chance that you can get one even after a conviction. I know for a fact that in the current climate it&#039;s quite tough to get a visa for the UK so unless he has a British or other EU country passport we don&#039;t already know about I think he can say goodbye to that option. Not sure about Ireland, France, Italy or Japan (the other major NH desitnations for professional rugby players) though. And then of course there&#039;s South Africa and New Zealand in the SH. Having been born in NZ, Cooper is presumably a NZ citizen so conviction or not he would have no legal difficulties entering NZ. Whether they&#039;d want to give a convicted criminal (not to mention someone inelligible for the All Blacks due to the fact that he&#039;s already played test footy for Australia) a contract is of course a different matter,

It&#039;s interesting to consider the case of Greg Bird. After his NRL contract was torn up he sought contracts overseas. At that stage he hadn&#039;t been tried for any crime let alone convicted of one. He had merely been charged with a crime to be tried at a future date and in the eyes of the law was innocent until proven guilty. But the mere fact that he had been charged was still enough for him to be denied a visa for the UK. Despite being rejected a visa for the UK Bird managed to get one to play in France. But like I said at the time that was just unproven charges and not an actual conviction. Who knows what the French (or other countries) would do if a  player had actually been *convicted* at the time of applying for a visa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe, maybe not. It will certainly make it a lot harder for him to get a visa to ply his trade overseas and limit his options but I wouldn&#8217;t say it would be *impossible* for him. Granting a visa is a discretionary act. A conviction thererfore doesn&#8217;t automatically mean no visa. But it will of course increase the likelihood of being denied one. So there&#8217;s still a chance that you can get one even after a conviction. I know for a fact that in the current climate it&#8217;s quite tough to get a visa for the UK so unless he has a British or other EU country passport we don&#8217;t already know about I think he can say goodbye to that option. Not sure about Ireland, France, Italy or Japan (the other major NH desitnations for professional rugby players) though. And then of course there&#8217;s South Africa and New Zealand in the SH. Having been born in NZ, Cooper is presumably a NZ citizen so conviction or not he would have no legal difficulties entering NZ. Whether they&#8217;d want to give a convicted criminal (not to mention someone inelligible for the All Blacks due to the fact that he&#8217;s already played test footy for Australia) a contract is of course a different matter,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting to consider the case of Greg Bird. After his NRL contract was torn up he sought contracts overseas. At that stage he hadn&#8217;t been tried for any crime let alone convicted of one. He had merely been charged with a crime to be tried at a future date and in the eyes of the law was innocent until proven guilty. But the mere fact that he had been charged was still enough for him to be denied a visa for the UK. Despite being rejected a visa for the UK Bird managed to get one to play in France. But like I said at the time that was just unproven charges and not an actual conviction. Who knows what the French (or other countries) would do if a  player had actually been *convicted* at the time of applying for a visa.</p>
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		<title>By: The Link</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/12/07/wallabies-star-quade-cooper-charged-with-burglary/comment-page-5/#comment-263407</link>
		<dc:creator>The Link</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 04:44:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>people are so intersted in Union that they read other things? now you&#039;ve got yourself in a twist. Rugby Union stories do not sell papers in Australia cause not enough people are interested in it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>people are so intersted in Union that they read other things? now you&#8217;ve got yourself in a twist. Rugby Union stories do not sell papers in Australia cause not enough people are interested in it.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe4Canberra</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/12/07/wallabies-star-quade-cooper-charged-with-burglary/comment-page-1/#comment-263392</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe4Canberra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 04:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Daniel J: spot on. Having &quot;no conviction recorded&quot; (which is a matter of sentencing policy after guilt has been proven) is not at all the same as not being convicted of a crime in the first place (which is a question of whether you&#039;ve been proven guilty) and it is the latter and not the former that foreign governments want to know when it comes to visa applications.

Technically it&#039;s going to come down to the question that foreign authorities ask. If they asked something like &quot;do you have any convictions recorded against your name?&quot; then of course you could truthfully answer &quot;no&quot;. But they don&#039;t actually ask questions like that because in considering whether to grant you a visa foreign governments are not interested in the technicalities of Australian sentencing law. Rather, they are interested in whether you&#039;ve actually committed a crime. So they would ask something like &quot;have you ever been convicted of any crime?&quot; in which case the truthful answer would be &quot;yes&quot;. Of course in the &quot;give details&quot; section you could and would then explain the fact that the sentencing judge decided that &quot;no conviction recorded&quot; was an appropriate sentence. 

Foreign governments may go even further than asking about whether you&#039;ve been *convicted* and actually ask whether you&#039;ve been *charged* with any crimes. If this is the question then even people who have been tried and acquitted would still have to answer the question in the affirmative and then mention the fact and circumstances of the acquittal in the &quot;give details&quot; section.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Daniel J: spot on. Having &#8220;no conviction recorded&#8221; (which is a matter of sentencing policy after guilt has been proven) is not at all the same as not being convicted of a crime in the first place (which is a question of whether you&#8217;ve been proven guilty) and it is the latter and not the former that foreign governments want to know when it comes to visa applications.</p>
<p>Technically it&#8217;s going to come down to the question that foreign authorities ask. If they asked something like &#8220;do you have any convictions recorded against your name?&#8221; then of course you could truthfully answer &#8220;no&#8221;. But they don&#8217;t actually ask questions like that because in considering whether to grant you a visa foreign governments are not interested in the technicalities of Australian sentencing law. Rather, they are interested in whether you&#8217;ve actually committed a crime. So they would ask something like &#8220;have you ever been convicted of any crime?&#8221; in which case the truthful answer would be &#8220;yes&#8221;. Of course in the &#8220;give details&#8221; section you could and would then explain the fact that the sentencing judge decided that &#8220;no conviction recorded&#8221; was an appropriate sentence. </p>
<p>Foreign governments may go even further than asking about whether you&#8217;ve been *convicted* and actually ask whether you&#8217;ve been *charged* with any crimes. If this is the question then even people who have been tried and acquitted would still have to answer the question in the affirmative and then mention the fact and circumstances of the acquittal in the &#8220;give details&#8221; section.</p>
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		<title>By: mattamkII</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/12/07/wallabies-star-quade-cooper-charged-with-burglary/comment-page-5/#comment-263136</link>
		<dc:creator>mattamkII</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 01:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Parisien, and your point is?</description>
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		<title>By: anopinion</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/12/07/wallabies-star-quade-cooper-charged-with-burglary/comment-page-5/#comment-262988</link>
		<dc:creator>anopinion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 23:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is because people interested in union read other sections of the paper. They do not buy it just to see who greg Bird has punched today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is because people interested in union read other sections of the paper. They do not buy it just to see who greg Bird has punched today.</p>
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		<title>By: The Link</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/12/07/wallabies-star-quade-cooper-charged-with-burglary/comment-page-5/#comment-262850</link>
		<dc:creator>The Link</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 21:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nope, its cause writing about Union in Australia doesn&#039;t sell papers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nope, its cause writing about Union in Australia doesn&#8217;t sell papers.</p>
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