Fear and loathing is ruling Australian sports
By Adrian Musolino, 8 Dec 2009 Adrian Musolino is a Roar Expert
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AFL CEO Andrew Demetriou addresses the media during an AFL Media Conference at AFL House, Melbourne. Slattery Images
“World Game? What a joke! World Cup? Leave it to the English, Italians and the rest of them,” claimed Albert of Melbourne on the Herald Sun website, one of the thousand plus hateful comments that littered sites across the web following the AFL’s claim that they will lose a season if there was an Australian World Cup.
“AFL vs. the World” declared the News Limited press; appearing to cheerlead the squabble between our national game and the world game.
The corresponding article here on The Roar had over 250 comments before the sun had set.
It was an impeccably timed response from AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou; just as the World Cup draw and Australia’s World Cup bid were in the national spotlight, not to mention at a time when the AFL is in its deep slumber.
The AFL has every right to protect its product, and the fact remains this question surrounding the fate of our national codes during the World Cup was one of the biggest question marks that surrounded an Australian World Cup – a question no one wanted to discuss.
It is an immensely complex issue, and without clear guidelines and expectations from FIFA, there can be no clear solution to the issue at present.
But if we are fighting amongst ourselves so fervently, what chance do we stand against the might of the USA and England?
The fact is if we are to stage the World Cup, it’ll require immense concessions from every other code, made more complex by our suitable stadium shortage, and we must, therefore, work in close cooperation to find suitable solutions, not allowing people to hijack the debate and deal in absolutes.
This is only the start. If such extremity continues, how are we going to find a workable solution so all codes can be accommodated?
With each such statement from Demetriou or the like, Australia’s World Cup bid – which was always going to be a challenge – appears even more doomed.
Yes, perhaps Demetriou has exaggerated for effect, but what concerns me most is the dogma attached to this debate. Perhaps this was part of Demetriou’s ploy.
Denigrate the very idea of the World Cup by striking fear into the hearts of his games’ followers.
It’s not only this dogmatic rhetoric of “AFL vs. the World” but also the hatred and ethnic division that’s being attached to these World Cup claims.
Jack, another contributor to the aforementioned Herald Sun article, wrote when putting his case as to why the AFL shouldn’t cave in to FIFA: “Yes it will upset a lot of immigrants, however if you chose to live in this country, its traditions and sport come with the package.”
How very sad there are people who still think like that.
If so many of us ‘sports fans’ are going to denigrate the World Cup – with feelings of bitterness, hatred and contempt – then are we truly deserving host’s of a tournament revered around the world?
Amongst the bitterness and hatred lies one query.
Where has the enthusiasm that greeted the build up to the Sydney Olympics gone?
Arguably, on television ratings and economic worth alone, the FIFA World Cup would be a greater benefactor to Australia – certainly in terms of showcasing Australia to a global audience once again.
Would AFL fans be unable to join in the celebrations of our World Cup? Do the Socceroos not belong to them, too?
For all the protestation and arguing, remember they are two great sports that can co-exist, and there are many who love them both.
The World Cup doesn’t represent an ‘invasion’ – and awful phrase that has been thrown up with its racial overtones – and AFL fans shouldn’t fear its game will be starved by football. And that flawed reasoning can be the only explanation for why the World Cup, compared with the Olympics, is creating such angst.
Commonsense needs to come to the fore here.
What strikes me most in this debate is how insular and one-dimensional Australian society has become – and sport is a microcosm of society.
Despite the huge strides made in our multicultural land, ethnicity and race are still used as fodder in many of the flawed arguments for why ‘soccer’ is not an Australian game. We seem to be unable to deal with such issues with logic, compromise and acceptance, rather so many resort to absolutes – black or white, yes or no.
Dogma and fear are tarnishing Australia’s chances of hosting the world’s biggest sporting event.
Sadly, we have become the new America: introverted and overly protective.
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oikee said | December 8th 2009 @ 6:56am | Report comment
Adrian, to tell the truth, i am all for the WC bid, i think the AFL is very fearful of the bid, and so they should be. Football in this country is only just starting out on a long journey. In 10-12 years time we might look back and say, WHY, WHY and how did we ever lose such a winable bid. Football by then might have become the number 1 code,.
The point about America , at least they did not stop the country from holding the game. What does that do to us if we are that insecure, we throw the bid away because other codes might be displaced. As i mentioned, the bid is for 2018, but 2022 sounds more realistic, and hopefully we can make the bid happen.
It could become the darkest day in Australia’s history if the bid falls over, maybe only then will this country truely understand what sport is doing to us, we are obsessed. And there is 1 code leading the charge, now i would not want to have that on my resume. Football juniors are sinking their teeth into all other codes, and its only going to become bigger in 10 years time.
To me, it should be up to the government to step in and call this nonsense off. Any code cant become dictators to the people, and it seems like this is what is happening,. We all want to make money, including the government, but to throw away maybe billions of dollars to allow any code to think they had a win for their code is ludicrist. Its not a win for their code, it will be the darkest day in the codes history.
Cheers.
And probably become more loathed than it already is, yes the codes have issues, but everything can be worked out through talks. Anyhow, just thought i would add my 2 cents. Football is huge around the world, and no city has fallen down yet, why anyone is scare-mongering is beyond me, yes i give other codes stick on this site, but its all good bantering, i would never want to stop the rugby Union world cup from being played in OZ. And i think you all know how league tragic i am.
Pippinu said | December 8th 2009 @ 7:14am | Report comment
Oikee
Gallop has already rejected the FFA’s first proposal to them.
agga78 said | December 8th 2009 @ 6:57am | Report comment
When war of the worlds was played on radio in 1938, people in America thought Aliens were invading Earth, fear grip the nation their way of life was over, they would be slaves or killed off by the Aliens, Fast foward to 2009 and the AFL and there spin doctors the Herald Sun are using fear and scare tactics to turn Victorians(the Americans) against a world cup(the Aliens) by saying they are going to cancel the AFL season.
Mike Sheahan Hearld Sun’s chief AFL Puppet says in a rallying call to AFL loving people in todays sun “Come on, Andrew, time to do what you do best: dig in, defend the cause, roll out that confident, some say belligerent, attitude that says to hell with the PR and the politics. We’re fighting for a cause, a way of life, here”
A way of life, is this a fight between communism and Democracy, a war on terror?
Pippinu said | December 8th 2009 @ 7:01am | Report comment
But who is fearful?
If FFA have the balls – go and bid for the World Cup without the MCG – but do they have any balls?
Macs.football said | December 8th 2009 @ 8:42am | Report comment
But if the MCG didn’t host any world cup matches it couldn’t call itself the greatest stadium in the world anymore.
Pippinu said | December 8th 2009 @ 9:24am | Report comment
AFL fans don’t care about such monikers – we just want to watch the footy.
Gatto Nero said | December 8th 2009 @ 9:29am | Report comment
I highly doubt that. Yankee Stadium didn’t host any World Cup matches, yet it doesn’t stop them. And it’s a moot point anyway – the MCG Trust and MCC care more about diminishing their outstanding debt by hosting AFL matches than they would care about hosting the World Cup for no return.
Gatto Nero said | December 8th 2009 @ 7:39am | Report comment
FIFA stand to make 3-4 billion from the rights to the sport. The easiest way to avoid conflicts in this situation would be for them to offer to fund the development of soccer-dedicated fields to accommodate any Cup schedule they desire. But that would never happen, and when they demand that other sports shut down for the duration suddenly the other codes are at fault for complaining? Give me a break.
Pippinu said | December 8th 2009 @ 7:41am | Report comment
Yes – that sort of money would build a few 70,000 plus rectangular stadiums, ideal for the world cup – and the riches the cup generates would pay for it – everyone’s a winner!
Redb said | December 8th 2009 @ 7:14am | Report comment
Nice work Adrian.
You’ve effectively painted AFL fans as the villians with your selective reader comments from the Herald Sun. Where are the soccer zealout comments putting down Australia and the Australian game? why arent you quoting these?
If your objective was to polarise further you’ve achieved your aim.
Redb
Pippinu said | December 8th 2009 @ 7:25am | Report comment
Pretty clear there was no other objective.
Mark Young said | December 8th 2009 @ 9:37am | Report comment
Hi Redb and Pippinu
I’ve lurked on this site for quite a while and written the occassional comment, mainly about car racing and occasionally Rugby League.
While reading the comments, I can’t help but notice that the two of you are not just pro AFL, you are furiously anti every other sport except for AFL.
I’m pro Rugby League, but I’m not out and out opposed to AFL, Union or Soccer, I have enjoyed the previous two both in preson and on the box and am looking forward to seeing a big game of AFL the week before the Grand Prix next year (I think it’s Richmond and Carlton).
If we get the World Cup, and I very much doubt that we will but here’s hoping, it will be a huge one off. The sort of major event that will energise the entire country, not just the Olympics which was more focused on Sydney. Every major sport will benefit in the wake of it as people embrace the energy of being involved in major sporting events.
Do you honestly believe deep down that the AFL season will be called off?
Do you really believe it will even be put on hold?
Aren’t you kind of excited as a sporting fan about seeing a major event in your home town? I know I am, and I know that although it will inconvenience the NRL season a little bit, in the long term it won’t effect it at all. Surely they will just schedule split rounds and send some games out into Regional towns and cities during the tournament. And when it is over, move back into better stadiums with upgraded facilities and transport. Don’t you think that the AFL will do the same.
I hate to think that either of you are actually as depressed and sometimes bitterly angry as your posts are.
What are your thoughts? Do you really hate everything except for the AFL? How do you feel about a World Cup in Australia?
Pippinu said | December 8th 2009 @ 9:43am | Report comment
Mark
no one is talking about hate.
In fact, I refer you to my recent Roar article examining Group A of the 2010 world cup:
http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/12/06/examining-group-a-in-2010-world-cup/
But non-AFL people on the Roar clearly have trouble coming to grips with commerical property rights.
And there remains a very valid question: why should the AFL season be stopped at all?
Punter said | December 8th 2009 @ 9:50am | Report comment
Beware the wolf in sheep clothing.
Art Sapphire said | December 8th 2009 @ 9:53am | Report comment
Don’t worry Mark.
Reading Pip’s World Cup Group analysis is like reading wine reviews by a teetotaller
Mark Young said | December 8th 2009 @ 12:18pm | Report comment
Hi Pippinu
I sincerely hope that neither the AFL or NRL season is stopped.
And realistically, I very very much doubt if anyone other then the most pessimistic or paranoid really thinks that they will.
Were we to host the World Cup, both the AFL and NRL are way too important to be stopped, but not nearly important enough to not experience some amount of inconvenience.
My comment about hate is just my impression from having read a lot of really negative and angry comments over a long period of time. I’m glad you enjoy other sports and are not all bitter and twisted about life.
Kind regards
Marshall said | December 8th 2009 @ 9:43am | Report comment
Thank you Mark!
Redb said | December 8th 2009 @ 9:46am | Report comment
G’day Mark,
If you read my comments I’m asking for a better deal for the AFL than the one being proffered and left hanging by the FFA. My main objection is the requirement of Etihad Stadium when there is a brand new rectangular stadium being built in Melbourne.
I make no apology for my passion for the game of Aussie Rules it does at times polarise my opinions when the game gets unfairly attacked.
Redb
Mark Young said | December 8th 2009 @ 11:47am | Report comment
Gday thanks for taking my comments in the spirits they were intended.
I agree with you there. Surely the World Cup would not need to use the MCG, Docklands AND new rectangular stadium.
I reckon it would make more sense to have Docklands and the new stadium for the world cup so the AFL season can go on as per usual at the MCG.
At the end of the day, the AFL and NRL seasons are too big to stop and too many people care about for them to be too badly effected. But they are pretty small compared to the world cup so they will effected in some way.
Punter said | December 8th 2009 @ 9:49am | Report comment
Thank you Mark.
Jaredsbro said | December 10th 2009 @ 2:31pm | Report comment
Tis unfortunate when banter turns to perpetuating old battlelines isn’t it? Now I love these kind of arguments but in the end of the day I’m not in here to waste my whole day (looking at 600 plus posts) unless I thought it was for a greater good. Of course the code wars rhetoric is yet another point of difference between Oz and…NZ
Pippinu said | December 8th 2009 @ 7:15am | Report comment
It’s remarkable that people on the Roar have failed to pick up that Etihad has rejected the FFA’s request to use the Dome outright on the basis that they would lose far too much money.
Lose money hosting the biggest show on Earth?
That tells you quite a lot about the economics of hosting the World Cup.
By the way, Etihad is 100% privately owned.
Kurt said | December 8th 2009 @ 7:18am | Report comment
I know, staggering isn’t it? This vast, stupendous event that a) can’t afford to build its own stadiums; and b) can’t even make money for existing stadiums! It just defies belief.
Redb said | December 8th 2009 @ 7:22am | Report comment
The inclusion of Etihad I beleive is at the ehrt of the AFL’s dilemna and its highly disingenous of Ben Buckley to say he is sensitive to other football codes when he knows very well that the MCG and Etihad are the AFL’s main stadiums in Melbourne. The game could live without one or the other but not both.
The FFA are lying. They’re as corrupt as their FIFA counterpart.
I can just see the negotiations now, Ben Buckley: “oh look I’m sorry Andrew D and David G I’m trying for you but FIFA may not allow it”
Come n’ Play – Crime ‘ll Pay.
Redb
Pippinu said | December 8th 2009 @ 7:28am | Report comment
Redb
it’s true – it’s been one big lie now for ages.
Buckley keeps saying the MCG will only be needed for 6 to 8 weeks – but we already know that 6 weeks is a lie and that it is most likely it will be needed for more than 8 weeks.
All lies.
Just have the balls and come out with it!!
Redb said | December 8th 2009 @ 7:36am | Report comment
I heard one radio interview with Ben Buckley last night where he said it might be 8-10 weeks and he confirmed they did look into ‘rectangularising’ the MCG which would it put out of action for 4 months but the cost and disruption to the AFL would be too much, Buckley now says (spinning his wheels). I wonder if he bothered to share that with Demetriou beforehand?
If the AFL is allowed to play by FIFA (I say this with massive sarcasm) then deprived of both the MCG and Etihad it will hurt the game enormously.
Redb
Pippinu said | December 8th 2009 @ 9:26am | Report comment
Yes – one minute it’s 4 weeks, then 6, then 8, now we’er talking about major earthworks – Buckley has been full of BS from day one.
Punter said | December 8th 2009 @ 7:29am | Report comment
Another quote from Richard Hinds:
‘ulterior motive for the FFA’s bid – accelerating the growth of its game at a rate that would be impossible without the massive exposure and government patronage a home World Cup would guarantee.’
Now are these the real reasons why the sky is falling down & that all of Melbourne thinks that FIFA has WMD.
Now is that what you guys are worried about?
Pippinu said | December 8th 2009 @ 7:30am | Report comment
Punter
I refer you to macavity’s post below.
macavity said | December 8th 2009 @ 7:29am | Report comment
Gatto Nero has hit the nail on the head.
The FFA is seeking to impose massive externalities on the NRL and AFL (by legislation, no less!), and is claiming some sort of moral imperitive in doing so.
That claimed (and extremely dubious) moral imperitive is the only argument the soccer lovers have.
Try that argument (“you will bear the cost of my actions, because my actions will benefit me!”) in any other arena and see how far you get.
If it is such a good idea, it should be no issue at all to compensate the organisations to suffer massive the impost of hosting the thing.
Pippinu said | December 8th 2009 @ 7:31am | Report comment
I have been quoting $1 billion in compensation (plus a few other sweeteners).
Mattay said | December 8th 2009 @ 7:38am | Report comment
How about the argument “you will bear the cost of my actions, because my actions will benefit the country we live in!”.
We all know li’ Ruddy loves showing off to his overseas counterparts. Do you really think he’s going to let Andy D and Gallop ruin his chance of bringing the biggest show on Earth to Australia??
macavity said | December 8th 2009 @ 8:25am | Report comment
will those actions benefit the NRL and AFL?
and by the time you factor in the massive cost to taxpayers, how much benefit is the country really getting?
the WC will first and foremost, and almost exclusively, benefit soccer.
it will first and foremost cause massive externalities to be imposed on our two most important football comps.
compensation is the only way it will work – and that probably doesn’t make it economically viable.
so in effect what you are proposing is that the NRL and AFL incur massive costs to first and foremost benefit soccer, with some residual, undefined and unquantified benefits to “the country we live in”
doesnt add up.
Gatto Nero said | December 8th 2009 @ 9:45am | Report comment
This is the biggest issue yet to be covered in the debate. The negative effects of hosting a World Cup upon the AFL and NRL may be insignificant compared with the negative effects upon wider Australian society. I read of the astounding costs of hosting such an event – anywhere from $4-8 billion, and yet nobody is discussing what that money could be better spent on. Yes, there will be some economic windfall from hosting the World Cup, but it will confined to a one-off tourism input in the year of the event. For the better part of a 5-10 years prior, our governments will be spending money on stadia when there are many other pressing areas that remain underfunded. Just look at the Planetizen urban planning site to read a host of articles on white elephant sporting infrastructure, funded by the public at great detriment to the local urban fabric. Sydney hosted (and funded) the Olympics, and a decade later people are moving away in huge numbers as inadequate infrastructure makes it a less appealing city to live in. The World Cup is a bigger investment again, and all for a four week party that will leave many unsustainable stadia littered across Australia. Better still, FIFA will pocket $3-4 billion for the privilege.
An investment of that magnitude in any other aspect of public policy would receive a lot more attention from a spectrum of commentators. We should be concerned about more than just the effect upon the other codes.
Pippinu said | December 8th 2009 @ 9:49am | Report comment
That’s the equation:
1. Australian taxpayers fork out $4 billion (minimum)
2. The Government legislates to deny the AFL accesss to its property rights
3. FIFA pockets $3 billion
4. Taxpayers pick up the tab for maintaining white elephants
macavity said | December 8th 2009 @ 9:55am | Report comment
Taxpayers pick up tab? Make no mistake, at least in the northern states it will be the Rugby League clubs picking up the tab.
The State Govt’s shameful treatment of the Newcastle Knights over the redevelopment of EAS is only the tip of the iceberg.
Jaredsbro said | December 10th 2009 @ 2:46pm | Report comment
Agreed. The Soccer WC works as far as profitability is concerned only in a country that is fantatical (and zealous ‘swell) about Soccer. Australia won’t ever be fanatical and not even a WC could shore up the support of everyone, particularly not if FIFA makes it clear that they are Monarch with Absolute powers. Govts that are monocultural in their appreciation for sport have already sold out to all these potential windfalls and this rec-cycles the fanaticism about being part of the in-group (ie we’ve hosted a tournament thus we love our football more…puke
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Chris said | December 8th 2009 @ 11:27am | Report comment
and do you really think Kruddy Ruddy has a hope in hell of being PM in 2022. It’s about as unlikely as Soccer taking over America, Cronulla winning the NRL, Carlton winning the AFL and the Waratahs winning the Super 14.
Soccer in Australia is not actually growing – its dying a rapid death. The crowd figures and ratings prove it.
Mattay said | December 8th 2009 @ 12:13pm | Report comment
Who cares if he’s PM? The hosts are decided in December 2010, and he will be PM then and will be a self-appointed national hero for bringing the World Cup to Australia. Regardless of who is PM in 2022, Mr Rudd will be front and centre.
Mattay said | December 8th 2009 @ 7:35am | Report comment
Demetriou needs to be careful. For every xenophobic AFL fan living in a coccoon, there are hundreds of AFL fans who embrace all sports and would love for a World Cup to be held in Australia. If he’s not careful, I can see a movement away from AFL out of spite.
Redb said | December 8th 2009 @ 7:38am | Report comment
You simply dont understand the full ramifications particularly for Melbourne based AFL fans.
Mattay said | December 8th 2009 @ 12:15pm | Report comment
You don’t think there’s a significant amount of Carlton fans of Italian descent who would not be a bit peeved about the AFL stance on this??
Jaredsbro said | December 10th 2009 @ 2:52pm | Report comment
Uh huh. But it’s made more of a problem by those who only like one football code. I know the govt’s supposed to protect/promote minoritarian view points but sheesh. It’s a disadvantage (I repeat) D.I.S.A.D.V.A.N.T.A.G.E. liking only one footy code. No one can tell you that you’re missing out on another footy code if you’re not willing to be a bit more pluralistic. Of course by all means hold them accountable or hold your MP accountable for not holding the bidders accountable, but you’re ultimately the one who really misses out if you are unilateral (like Republican) puts it
Pippinu said | December 8th 2009 @ 7:39am | Report comment
It’s not about xenophobia.
It’s about commercial property rights, being properly compensated for all commercial losses and future earnings, and not being dictated too by an unelected and corrupt body with zero executive power within Australia.
albatross said | December 8th 2009 @ 7:44am | Report comment
>>not being dictated too unelected and corrupt body with zero executive power within Australia.
What like the Vatican?
Pippinu said | December 8th 2009 @ 7:48am | Report comment
Yeh – maybe even worse than the Vatican.
Robbos said | December 8th 2009 @ 7:49am | Report comment
With, as Art said yesterday, Weapons of Mass destructions. I would be worried.
Geez Pip, it’s a sport, it’s ok you don’t like it, but others do, give it a break, it’s the Foz article all over again for you.
Pippinu said | December 8th 2009 @ 8:22am | Report comment
Robbos
it’s not about liking or not liking the sport.
It’s about the AFL having a right to enforce its own commercial property rights, and the FFA working out a way all on its own to be good enough to put in a half-credible bid.
Macs.football said | December 8th 2009 @ 8:48am | Report comment
Yeah Robbos this is about Andrew the mighty leader of the AFL standing at the gates of Melbourne, trying to stop the evil invaders getting in yelling This is Melbourne, This is AFL TOWN.
Jaredsbro said | December 10th 2009 @ 2:55pm | Report comment
No Pip. It is about the code wars, just like Foster’s article. You don’t like people telling you (as no one does) that the sport you watch/support is not as good as another. You bring up facts&figures, you bring up legal principles…but essentially you feel taken advantage of by a rather crass organisation namely the Secret Brotherhood entrausted with the will of Lord FIFA
oikee said | December 8th 2009 @ 10:33am | Report comment
Good one Albatross,
Hey Pip, if Melbourne had embraced other sports 100 years ago, you would not have this problem, because their would be decent stadium in Melbourne for 3 other codes. Your lack of foresight in this city, and your complete doggedness of promotion of 1 code, has lead to Australia being a backward, 1st century country with rabid dogs leading our number 1 code.
Bloody nora, talk about 3rd century. Mate, blame yourself for this mess, even as far to say that etihad has a commercial deal in place that no stadium with over 40 thousand capasidy can be build before what.? 2030.
Mate, that is just plain stupid, do you think Suncorp has any conditions like that in Place, and it was built yesterday. Cheese, whizz.
Gatto Nero said | December 9th 2009 @ 4:58am | Report comment
I’d be surprised if Suncorp didn’t actually. Or, at least, that the Government has a tacit agreement not to allow any other large stadiums to be constructed in Brisbane. It’s the only way that makes these venues profitable.
KB said | December 8th 2009 @ 9:50am | Report comment
Mattay,
Yes indeed, it is already happening, 43.56% yes in favour cancelling the AFL season and 56.44% say no…. Says the Melb Herald Sun survey…
I have been around for a long time and if that same survey was floated 30yrs ago, the no vote would have won hands down by a “100% NO” vote…
It sure brings a smile to my face, to see how much our “Australian National Football Team’s popularity as grown in Australia” and even more so in Melbourne, the home of Marn Grooky, the most insular sporting capital of the world..
Yes the times in Melbourne are now quickly changing from state to national pride, instead of a state, cocooned in a myopic insular, self serving, introverted, die trap existence… The doors of Melbourne are finally opening to let in the light…
Welcome to the real world lads, you will enjoy what it has to offer on the biggest stage of all, the 2018 FIFA FOOTBALL WORLD CUP at the MCG…
~~~~~~~
KB
KB said | December 8th 2009 @ 10:04am | Report comment
PS in a rectangle configuration at a mere nominal cost of $130m from the Vics state treasury … money well spent..
a gift to Football if you wish as an investment for the future if you will
for those poor long time melb second class citizens…
oikee said | December 8th 2009 @ 10:39am | Report comment
A gift K.B ? i call a 480 million, make that 600 million Adelaide oval a gift (blow-out in costs included)
,. Mate, make your gifts more enjoyable, lets just rip down that rusty old MCG which is not even in the top 10 stadium in the world, and build us a future 120 thousand purpose built rectangle with the option? of going to oval for less important codes.
Lets rock this country, and take it into the 21 century.
KB said | December 8th 2009 @ 12:46pm | Report comment
Agreed Oikee …. state-of-the-art rectangularism is the way of the future … for “all” world cups and the annual SoO a gift to Melbourne’s second class citizens for now… And they won’t be for long … No Worries, come ‘n’ play, no matter what your rectangular preference is…
Midfielder said | December 8th 2009 @ 7:41am | Report comment
Adrain
Bravo … and Bravo the Roar … one of the things I like about the Roar is the media is still not owned by any code… keep your independence and you shall grow.
Robbos said | December 8th 2009 @ 7:48am | Report comment
Well done Midfielder. Too true.
albatross said | December 8th 2009 @ 7:53am | Report comment
Even better we have a thread that will run and run until December 2010 at least – maybe until 2018 or 2022,,,
61 posts and Michael C isn’t even here yet. Is he sick or on holiday? Or haven’t the AFL media been able to send out today’s talking points email?
Redb said | December 8th 2009 @ 8:01am | Report comment
soccer fans just backing other soccer fans. Objective view nowhere to be seen.
Macs.football said | December 8th 2009 @ 8:50am | Report comment
We copied the tactic from the anti soccer and AFL fans.
Beast-A-Tron said | December 8th 2009 @ 8:01am | Report comment
Bravo for his blatant anti-Americanism? His last line completely buttf@cks the entire message of his article. You’re right Adrian isn’t owned by the mainstream media, because of his unconscionable writing.
Midfielder said | December 8th 2009 @ 8:04am | Report comment
Beasty
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aVHLL5egRY
Beast-A-Tron said | December 8th 2009 @ 8:08am | Report comment
Hey I have a thickskin and I don’t care if he chooses to bag out Americans. I’m merely pointing out his journalistic integrity is in question.
Midfielder said | December 8th 2009 @ 8:01am | Report comment
Adrain
The AFL fear the WC bid being won… or that is what I read from their comments..
It was like a rallying cry to the AFL faithful especially their media and the axis of evil (Ch 7, Herald Sun & 3AW)… the same mob who popped champagne corks when we did not make the WC are smelling of fear now we look like we may have some chance of pulling off the bid…
The AFL do not want football to win the WC bid … simple as.. they know it will forever change the face of the Australian sporting landscape .. add the 2015 Asia cup in Australia, and the women’s world cup that often comes with the WC… the world is changing …
Pippinu said | December 8th 2009 @ 8:20am | Report comment
The Asian Cup would be outside of the footy season wouldn’t it?
In any event – it only requires four venues – it’s a big difference.
Non-AFL people on the Roar really struggle with the concept of enforcing commercial property rights.
oikee said | December 8th 2009 @ 10:49am | Report comment
Hey Middy, notice their is no greif coming from rugby blogs, we are with you buddy on this one. Well as other league lovers point out, i am on my own, but weather you win the bid or lose the bid, soccer wins, because if any codes jepodises the bid, it will leave a almighty black mark against their name, and giving the support by nearly half the country? I wonder where the against is coming from, like i said, rugby league, or me, are all for the bid. cheers.
Rugby league has been fighting all its life, why stop now.
What does not kill you, makes you stronger.
Mushi said | December 8th 2009 @ 8:13am | Report comment
This article is simply a fear and loathing propaganda response. If you don’t support the world cup you are racist or isolationist.
Maybe you are fan of the other codes and not round ball fan and as such lose out?
Maybe you think the spend to host it is unnecessarily large.
Maybe you think we can’t support the thundering herd of white elephant stadiums that will need to be built.
There are credible arguments and positions on both sides, sadly this article is not one of them this is just a positioning piece which makes the author no better than those he wishes to denigrate.
Redb said | December 8th 2009 @ 8:51am | Report comment
Spot on.