Examining Group B in the 2010 World Cup
By Pippinu, 9 Dec 2009 Pippinu is a Roar Guru
This is the second of an 8-part series looking at each group, one at a time, for the 2010 FIFA World Cup. Group B includes Argentina, Nigeria, South Korea and Greece.
Argentina
Current FIFA ranking: 8
Nickname: Albicelestes (White and Sky blues).
Main kit: White and sky blue stripes, black shorts, white socks.
Key players: Martin Demichelis (Bayern); Pablo Aimar (Benfica); Maxi Rodrigues (Atletico Madrid); Lional Messi (Barcelona); Gabriel Heinze (Marseille); Esteban Cambiasso (Inter); Javier Mascherano (Liverpool); Carlos Tevez (Manchester City)
Route to 2010: Argentina was placed fourth in the CONMEBOL confederation, representing the final spot that automatically qualified for 2010.
The Albicelestes experienced a few nervous moments, losing 3-1 to Brazil at home and getting hammered by Bolivia 6-1 away.
In the end, a 1-0 away win over Uruguay, in the final round of matches, ensured a comfortable 4 point margin over the 5th placed Uruguay.
Recent results:
- 14 October 2009: Uruguay, 1-0 win, Montevideo, Uruguay.
- 14 November 2009: Spain, 2-1 loss, Madrid, Spain.
Honours:
- World champions twice: 1978 and 1986 (second in 1930 and 1990).
- Confederation Cup winners: 1992 (second in 1995 and 2005).
- Copa America winner on fourteen occasions.
- Olympic gold medallist in 2004 and 2008.
World Cup record: Argentina has played in 14 of 18 World Cups; winning twice, in 1978 and 1986, and finishing second in 1930 and 1990.
Both championship wins were shrouded in controversy, with political games played at the national level in 1978, and the so-called “hand of God” incident with Maradona in 1986 – at a time when he was clearly the best player in the world.
In the opening game of the 1990 World Cup – as reigning champion – they fell to a nine man Cameroon side 1-0, and could consider themselves fortunate that they did not lose by more.
Since that second placing in 1990, the Albicelestes have failed to make the last four, despite being close to outright favourites to win the cup the last few occasions.
In 1998 Argentina breezed through the group stage, got past England on penalties in the next stage, but fell to a good Dutch team in the quarter finals; 2-1.
They failed to get out of the group stages in 2002; in a similar vain to France.
In 2006 – once again billed as a top 3 team in terms of favouritsm – showed good form right up to the quarter finals; where, upon leading 1-0 against the host nation, basically put the cue away and allowed the hosts to tie the game up where they then lost on penalties.
Nevertheless, they left a good impression on 2006, best remembered for the 6-0 shellacking of Serbia which featured one of the very best team goals in world cup history, and a pulsating second round game against Mexico, which was just about the game of the tournament.
Comments: All the goodwill built up during the last World Cup has virtually dissipated under the guidance of national icon, Diego Maradona, both at home and abroad, with a string of insipid results.
The widespread feeling is that while Maradona is a wonderful figurehead for the national team, he is not really national team manager material, and that very little thought is given to the concept of a “game plan” whenever the Albicelestes take the field.
This might have the unexpected result of giving us some performances that are reminiscent of the carefree days of Brazil circa 1982, when structure and team discipline were considered dirty words.
Be that as it may, do not be surprised to see an Argentine team repeat its performance of 2002, despite a very talented squad in terms of the individual players.
Nigeria
Current FIFA ranking: 22
Nickname: Super Eagles.
Main kit: All green.
Key players: Vincent Enyeama (Hapoel Tel Aviv); Taye Taiwo (Marseille); Danny Shittu (Bolton); Joseph Yobo (Everton); Mikel John Obi (Chelsea); Peter Odemwingie (Lokomotiv Moscow); Obafemi Martins (Wolfsburg); Yakubu Aiyegbeni (Everton); Ikechukwu Uche (Real Zaragoza).
Route to 2010: Nigeria finished in top spot in Group B of the African qualifiers.
They were lucky to hold onto top spot in the final round of games when the lowly Mozambique won at home 1-0 against the second placed Tunisia, which was their only loss for the qualifiers.
Nigeria finished its six games with three wins and three draws, including two away nil-all draws.
Recent results:
- 7 June 2009: Kenya, 3-0 win, in Nigeria.
- 20 June 2009: Tunisia, 0-0 draw, in Tunisia.
- 6 September 2009: Tunisia, 2-2 draw, in Nigeria.
- 11 October 2009: Mozambique, 1-0 win, in Nigeria.
- 14 November 2009: Kenya, 3-2 loss, in Kenya.
Honours:
- African Cup of Nations, winners twice, in 1980 and 1994.
- Olympic gold medallist in 1996.
World Cup record: The Super Eagles made the World cup on three consecutive occasions, from 1994 to 2002, making the second round the first two times.
Their World Cup record is four wins, one draw and six losses, fourteen goals for and sixteen goals against.
In its first World Cup, in 1994, Nigeria topped the group, defeating two European nations – Bulgaria 3-0 and Greece 2-0.
In the second round, Nigeria led a 10-man Italy 1-0, but allowed Roberto Baggio to tie it up, and then succumbed in extra time to a 2-1 defeat.
Nigeria topped their group again in 1998, and again defeated two European nations, Spain 3-2 and Bulgaria 1-0, when they were then trashed 4-1 by Denmark in the second round.
In 2002, Nigeria was in the group of death, and finished bottom of its group after losses to Argentina and Sweden, and a nil-all draw with England.
Comments: Both Nigeria’s World Cup record and their recent qualifiers suggest a capacity to take on the very best in the world, but a missing mental cutting edge, which can see their game plan fall apart when least expected.
One thing is for sure, their World Cup record against physical European opponents is quite good, and they have had a strong win against Greece at World Cup level.
The squad shows plenty of talent, so on African territory I would fancy their chances of getting one of the top two spots.
Korea Republic
Current FIFA ranking: 52
Nickname: Taegeuk Jeonsa (Taeguk Warriros); Red Devils.
Main kit: Red shirt, white shorts.
Key players: Lee Woon-Jae (Suwon); Kim Dong-Jin (Zenit); Cha Du-Ri (Freiburg); Cho Won-Hee (Wigan); Park Ji-Sung (Manchester United); Seol Ki-Hyeon (Fulham); Park Chu-Young (Monaco).
Route to 2010: South Korea finished top of Group B in the AFC qualifiers.
Their best result was a 4-1 home win against the United Arab Emirates. They also managed two 2-0 away wins, against the UAE and the strong Saudi side.
Recent results:
- 12 August 2009: Paraguay, 1-0 win, in Seoul, Korea.
- 5 September 2009: Australia, 3-1 win, in Seoul, Korea.
- 14 October 2009: Senegal, 2-0 win, in Seoul, Korea.
- 14 November 2009: Denmark, 0-0 draw, in Denmark.
- 18 November 2009: Serbia, 1-0 loss, in London.
Honours:
- Asian Cup winners twice, in 1956 and 1960.
World Cup record: The Red Devils’ World Cup record looks a bit like the early years of Mexico’s record, making the World Cup on a regular basis, but going out after the first round on each occasion.
This record changed somewhat when South Korea co-hosted the 2002 World Cup, defeating giants in Italy and Spain on the way to a respectable 4th placing.
In 2002, while the Red Devils failed to go past the group stage, they achieved a first, winning their first World Cup game outside of Asia, defeating Togo 2-1.
Comments: Apart from the World Cup on home territory, it has to be said that South Korea’s record against European and South American opposition isn’t great, but they were far from embarrassed last World Cup.
There are four factors that make me consider South Korea some chance of going to the next round:
- More South Koreans than ever before are plying their trade overseas, some in very good clubs;
- South Korea has chalked up some decent results in their last few friendlies;
- They have met Greece twice for one win and one loss; and
- The random factor of the unfamiliarity of a World Cup in Africa.
Greece
Current FIFA ranking: 12
Nickname: Galanoleyki
Main kit: Blue with white trim
Key players: Loukas Vyntra (Panathinaikos); Sotirios Kyrgiakos (Liverpool); Kostas Kasouranis (Panathinaikos); Giorgos Karagounis (Panathinaikos); Angelos Charisteas (Nuremberg); Theofanis Gekas (Bayer Leverkusen); Giourkas Seitaridis (Panathinaikos).
Route to 2010: Greece finished second in UEFA Group 2, below Switzerland.
They lost both times to the Swiss, but were able to win both home and away games against the third placed Latvia (5-2 and 0-2). Yes, it wasn’t the most difficult group going around.
Greece met the Ukraine in the second round play-off, and it’s not too difficult to predict the aggregate scoreline: a 1-0 result falling the way of the Greeks.
Recent results:
- 14 November 2009: Ukraine, 0-0 draw, Athens, Greece.
- 18 November 2009: Ukraine, 1-0 win, Donetsk, Ukraine.
Record against group opponents:
- Argentina: Played once, lost.
- Nigeria: Played twice, one win, one loss.
- Korea Republic: played twice, one draw, one loss.
Honours:
- European champions in 2004.
World Cup record: For a country with a vibrant league, and a decent history of club success at European level, Greece’s World Cup history is a sorry one.
They qualified only on one other occasion – in 1994 – losing all three games, scoring zero goals and conceding 10.
As it happens, both Argentina and Nigeria were in that same group back in 1994. Argentina won 4-0 and Nigeria won 2-0.
Comments: Greece’s performance in Euro 2004 is far more relevant than their performance in the World Cup ten years earlier.
You might recall Greece was able to become European champions with some sturdy defence and the capacity to nick a goal from set pieces. Their last five games of the tournament ended up in 1-0 victories.
It might be tempting to presume that Greece made it to the World Cup on a similar basis, but putting aside their play off with Ukraine, I’m not so sure.
Remembering it was a relatively weak group (Latvia, Israel, Luxembourg and Moldova finished below them), they still managed to concede six goals at home in their five home games. Even Luxembourg managed to score one!
I have a nagging feeling that Greece will finish last in there group again.
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Art Sapphire said | December 9th 2009 @ 8:04am | Report comment
Can you please add the following disclaimer next time -
The person who wrote this piece has done more to sabotage Australia’s WC bid than any other person on this website.
“we don’t need the eyes of the world on us – we just want to watch our footy” Pippinu – Soccer Fraud
AndyRoo said | December 9th 2009 @ 8:28am | Report comment
The person who wrote this piece has done more to sabotage Australia’s WC bid than any other person on this website.
To be fair it’s pretty hard to sabotage a world cup bid by being a radical on an internet forum….. I don’t think Sepp reads the Roar.
I think Andy D has made a stand on docklands now so it could be argued that Pip was getting us prepared.
I do hope this is a turning point in cross code realtions in that both RL and Football now realise the AFL is a much more aggresive organisation than the other non for profit codes.
Edit: Korea are good enough to get out of this group but lack the arrogance/ignorance of Aussies who aren’t resigned to their fate. Most neutral pundits expected Australia to be wipping boys last time round but luckily the Roos didn’t know or care about that
Pippinu said | December 9th 2009 @ 8:55am | Report comment
AndyRoo
thanks.
It was obvious from day one that the AFL wasn’t going to go without both the MCG and the Dome for half their season – that people honestly and truly believe that they simply just should go without absolutely astounded me (and yes, that pushed my buttons).
AndyRoo said | December 9th 2009 @ 9:17am | Report comment
To be honest I still see little problem with just taking 4 weeks off and having a few split rounds. Like expecting senators to vote in the interests of their state rather than on party grounds a bit outdated unfortuantely.
15 years ago when sports were more about sport than business it might have happened I guess but sadly we have moved on and the $$$$ and market share are much more important.
Pippinu said | December 9th 2009 @ 9:22am | Report comment
AndyRoo
read the Age today.
The AFL originally thought that they were losing the MCG for only 4 weeks, could keep the Dome ,and that the FFA would use the new rectangular stadium.
But all of a sudden, the FFA wanted everything for half the footy season – it’s completely unrealistic , and some blame has to sit squarely with Buckley (who is an ex-AFL player I might add).
Joe FC said | December 9th 2009 @ 8:18am | Report comment
I can understand why you would sat that Art.
Norm said | December 9th 2009 @ 8:20am | Report comment
This is your idea of a joke right?
Pippinu said | December 9th 2009 @ 8:32am | Report comment
Thanks for your comments guys.
The 2010 World Cup is a totally seperate issue to the FFA not being able to put up a credible bid for 2022 (we all know that 2018 was always pie in the sky).
If you are desperate to look for scapegoats (and I know how much the World Cup means to Norm), then I would investigate who is to blame for the new rectangular stadium being built in Melbourne not being capable of extension.
Or if it is capable of extension – why no level of government can commit the necessary $150 million.
Work that one out – and everything else falls into place.
Art Sapphire said | December 9th 2009 @ 8:37am | Report comment
Pull the other one Pip. You’re in damage control now.
“we don’t need the eyes of the world on us – we just want to watch our footy” Pippinu – 2009
Pippinu said | December 9th 2009 @ 8:43am | Report comment
Yeh – and?
As I’ve said many times – I don’t suffer from cultural cringe.
I don’t need affirmation from the rest of the world.
Norm said | December 9th 2009 @ 8:39am | Report comment
If only you didn’t take yourself so seriously pippy boy some people just might listen to you.
Pippinu said | December 9th 2009 @ 8:42am | Report comment
Norm
As long as you keep reading my threads and posts – I’m then encouraged that your life long quest of self-improvement is on track.
I support you 100%!
Art Sapphire said | December 9th 2009 @ 8:54am | Report comment
Just add the disclamer next time you submit a soccer piece to save me or anyone else from doing it.
Actually, I suggest you trademark the Soccer Fraud brand and use
“we don’t need the eyes of the world on us – we just want to watch our footy” as your tagline.
Now you can’t say I am not trying to be helpful.
Ciao!
Pippinu said | December 9th 2009 @ 8:57am | Report comment
Art
I’ll leave it to you, since you appear so perturbed about it (which is odd for a Melburnian).
There are six more to go in the series – people can choose to read them, or ignore them, or, as is usual, post completely off-topic comments.
I will not lose any sleep either way.
Norm said | December 9th 2009 @ 9:08am | Report comment
Nor will anyone else.
Pippinu said | December 9th 2009 @ 9:13am | Report comment
Norm
I continue to take great succour from the fact that you are following my threads and posts so crefully.
Art Sapphire said | December 9th 2009 @ 9:10am | Report comment
Just add the disclaimer – I did not read the piece and I don’t intend to read any others.
You just have to be honest and salvage what’s left of your ever diminishing “soccer” readership.
As I said, I am only trying to help
Pippinu said | December 9th 2009 @ 9:14am | Report comment
Art
it’s your loss – I did a great write up of Greece.
KB said | December 9th 2009 @ 7:40pm | Report comment
I agree with Art and Norm, the author of this article is really a “Football Saboteur” and has helped to do immense damage to Australia’s 2018 WC bid…
A chance in a life time, not for me, but for the youth of Australia; to be denied the spectacular football extravaganza, to see a very special event that many of them may never have a chance to see on Australian soil, if ever … because of this hatred of Australian Football—Pippi you are a fraud…
I have to say I agree with Norm and Art… This article is a joke on all Football lovers of Australia… It’s damn right offensive to me that a ROAR commentator who has demonstrated his outrageous contempt, negativity of Football and on Australia’s Football 2018 WC bid, then turn to write an article on the 2010 WC in South Africa, is damn right offensive to me…
Pippi are your laughing at us…? I really do think you are….
~~~~~~~
KB
Pippinu said | December 9th 2009 @ 7:45pm | Report comment
That’s quite a list of achievements for one person.
Anyway, since when have you ever had one interesting comment to make about anything in this forum?
Pippinu said | December 9th 2009 @ 7:48pm | Report comment
It you wish to learn how to carry on a discussion in a forum, please read the full range of comments – you might learn something.
dasilva said | December 9th 2009 @ 7:49pm | Report comment
KB
I hardly doubt that Pippinu is so damn influential that he would cost Australia the World Cup in
2018/2022
If you really believe that Pippinu posting negative items on the Roar has the ability to damage our bid then our World Cup bid is even weaker then even Pip, RedB, MC thinks it is.
Don’t give him too much credit. He is just another person with an opinion.
KB said | December 9th 2009 @ 8:13pm | Report comment
Pippi,
why should I contribute to your articles…?
Unless it’s to tell the truth about your anti football agenda… I much prefer to make comments on articles from real football writers of the likes of Jesse Fink, Tony Tannous, and Mike Tuckerman, our resident Football Jurnos and those of Dasilva, Midfielder, the Bear, Jimbo, there are more than enough I take seriously and contribute with the football knowledge I have.. I don’t have to write articles as those I have mentioned do a fabulous job in writing good and informative pro Football articles, and so I leave the good work up to them… I don’t take myself so seriously as you do.. thank God I don’t …
KB said | December 9th 2009 @ 8:20pm | Report comment
Das,
He certainly is not… But maybe he’s employed by the AFL to denigrate Football …. He certainly spends enough time on the ROAR to make one suspicious of his being here day and night … Haven’t you ever wondered what he does for a living…? I have
Beast-A-Tron said | December 9th 2009 @ 8:27pm | Report comment
“He certainly spends enough time on the ROAR to make one suspicious of his being here day and night … Haven’t you ever wondered what he does for a living…?”
Public servant?
Pippinu said | December 9th 2009 @ 8:32pm | Report comment
KB
you need only ask me never to post again on the Roar, and I won’t
(of course that would mean the other six parts aren’t done, which required a lot of effort, all at home in my own time I might add)
KB said | December 9th 2009 @ 8:55pm | Report comment
Pippi,
do you really think I care what you do…? As I said I contribute to article writers I take seriously; this is my last post on any or anything positive you write on football, I will only contribute serious comments to those writers I respect, on a Football thread, and slam the anti-Football bashers, which are many, as you know… Good night Mr Football Saboteur…
Pippinu said | December 9th 2009 @ 8:59pm | Report comment
oh well – I gave you the opportunity…
dasilva said | December 9th 2009 @ 9:27am | Report comment
Pip
I think there would have been more receptive if you were little bit more diplomatic and less aggressive in your views of the world cup bid
You could have express your argument purely in stadium access terms similarly to Michael D. He is also a Football and AFL fan who writes articles on both sports and manage to write about this issue, defending AFL stance without pissing off Football fans.
Instead you went on a diatribe against FIFA with your comments about dropping you dacks to a foreign, unelected and corrupt board
You know that this has absolutely nothing to do with FIFA and are pretty much completely irrelevant to the problems facing with this bid. This is all about FFA wanting to use Etihad , MCG and the inability get funding to upgrade the rectangular stadium. All of this has nothing to do with FIFA (in any case FIFA members are elected by the football community).
Accusing football fans of cultural cringe. We don’t need the world cup for our own national identity or to feel confortable with ourselves. we just want to see the best players of football competing in Australia. We want to see Socceroos playing in the biggest tournament with the support of the home crowd and doing well. Not about our cultural insecurities. Don’t win it, we move on, win it then that’s great.
Really in the end this hostile reaction is caused by the same issue that Craig Foster is getting, you had a lot of good points buried under hyperbole and exagerration.
Pippinu said | December 9th 2009 @ 9:36am | Report comment
Australian soccer fans were certain that the AFL would just hand the goodies over because FIFA is so big and powerful, as if they were going to waltz in with tanks.
In that sense, the agressive stance by Australian soccer fans (and quite a few journalists) had everything to do with FIFA.
You can see even this morning on all the threads – zero respect for our local game, and the attitude that a tiny outfit like the AFL has no right to stand up to FIFA.
Well, I say it has every right to do so.
AndyRoo said | December 9th 2009 @ 9:51am | Report comment
Yeh I was a bit naive. I really expected the AFL just to take a rest and play a few games in rural areas to attract some nice PR. Not because of Fifa but from a fans perspective if you get your 11 home games at your home ground then what does it matter what time of year they are played?
I guess that comes from supporting RL and Football where in Footballs case it’s a winter game being played in summer and for RL nothing is sacred. As long as we see a game of people scoring goals/tries or belting each other the rest doesn’t matter.
jimbo said | December 9th 2009 @ 11:01pm | Report comment
The FIFA World Cup doesn’t need Melbourne or the AFL and never will.
I applaud the AFL and Melbourne fraternity for your stance and protecting your turf, but the WC Finals will still be staged in Australia with or without Melbourne and the Melbourne AFL parks.
Phil E Buster said | December 9th 2009 @ 8:35pm | Report comment
I was wondering if he would still have the hide to keep posting his next seven world cup articles after his 24 hr marathon of hatefilled posts about football, the FFA, the Aussie world cup bid, FIFA, Sepp Blatter, Frank Lowey, Buckley etc etc etc.
I suppose we’re supposed to cop it sweet and then pat him on the back for another football article that looks like something cut and pasted from Wikipedia (funny that).
Strange no-one has cheered this article yet, forty posts in.
Pippinu said | December 9th 2009 @ 8:39pm | Report comment
Which bit did you disagree with?
That FIFA is corrupt, or that Buckley is incompetent and has stuffed up the bid process?
Pippinu said | December 9th 2009 @ 8:40pm | Report comment
It’s not the first time I haven’t been cheered.
Pippinu said | December 9th 2009 @ 8:42pm | Report comment
I’m not sure, but I think I got the most cheers for this article (a soccer article, as it happens):
http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/02/10/who-will-be-in-the-socceroos-team-of-the-future/
14 cheers – that’s not too shabby – it might even be the most cheers I’ve ever seen on an aritcle – but I’m not too sure.
Beast-A-Tron said | December 9th 2009 @ 8:43pm | Report comment
That’s a nice tinfoil hat you got there.
Pippinu said | December 9th 2009 @ 8:44pm | Report comment
I do use wikipedia for some basic facts and to cross-reference, otherwise I”m relying on a few Almanacks of world football that I own, as well as a few books on the history of the World Cup that I also own.
All the text is written off the top of my head – that’s the way I normally write – I barely can be bothered proof reading once it’s done – I have a very bad habit.
Pippinu said | December 9th 2009 @ 8:47pm | Report comment
Phil
I’m also happy to extend the offer to you.
Just say the word, you will never see me on the Roar again – that’s a promise.
To be honest, dealing with all the attacks on Australian football, and all the misinformation, it becomes a bit of a drag after a while.
I’m happy to find something new to do.
Norm said | December 9th 2009 @ 8:58pm | Report comment
please do.
Pippinu said | December 9th 2009 @ 9:00pm | Report comment
Norm
I didn’t extend the offer to you – but if you don’t want me to return to the Roar, I will oblige.
Just respond to confirm.
Norm said | December 9th 2009 @ 10:29pm | Report comment
You won’t be missed.
Pippinu said | December 9th 2009 @ 10:40pm | Report comment
Thanks Norm
Freud of Football said | December 9th 2009 @ 10:49pm | Report comment
Well done Pip, respect for p!sssing so many people off with some utter stupidity on your part.
Right up there with the Bulldogs (your own team) supposedly not having had a ‘legitimate key forward … since Kevin Templeton won the Brownlow in 1980′.
dasilva said | December 9th 2009 @ 11:09pm | Report comment
Come on Pip
Shouldn’t quit because you got a few haters. Just ride off the storm.
You do offer a lot to the Roar.
I do think that you should tone down some of your criticism and avoid emotional language and stick to the point but otherwise you should keep on going.
I always believe that people have to right to be unpopular and to have unpopular opinion. Leaving because of criticism will be a blow to that concept.
The Roar will be poorer without your contribution. We already lost the likes of Millster, Towser etc. Shame to lose another long term contributor.
aubgraham said | December 9th 2009 @ 11:31am | Report comment
Nice analysis, Pip. I look forward to the rest. I think this group, along with Australia’s, is probably the best chance for an AFC qualifier to progress to the second round. Korea gave a reasonable account of themselves in the last World Cup and Argentina and Nigeria are two highly volatile teams. Hopefully, Korea can get them at their worst.
Pippinu said | December 9th 2009 @ 11:48am | Report comment
thanks aubgraham
dasilva said | December 9th 2009 @ 2:04pm | Report comment
Well I guess I get back to the topic of this thread.
I agree with most of the analysis
Argentina are the type of team that could either get knocked out group stages or win the tournament. If they do win the tournament, then it will be irrefutable evidence that Maradona is god.
I also agree that Greece will mostly likely be bottom of the group with Nigeria and South Korea will be battling out for the 2nd spot to the knock out stages.
From what I heard there is a bit of political tension between South Africa and Nigeria and they will not have support from the local South Africans. So therefore I’m picking South Korea for that 2nd place.
Pippinu said | December 9th 2009 @ 2:13pm | Report comment
Thanks Das – I’m glad you’ve picked Sth Korea – at one stage I thought I had written them up too much!
Pippinu said | December 9th 2009 @ 2:15pm | Report comment
Also – a group that had Nigeria and Sth Korea finish on top of Argentina and Greece would be interesting.
Maybe not in this group – but we will definitely see one or two groups go in that sort of direction, guaranteed.
dasilva said | December 9th 2009 @ 5:54pm | Report comment
Its true that there’s generally an upset most World Cup and one of the big guns missed out.
However last world cup in 2006
All 8 seeds made it to the round of 16 and 7/8 seeds top the group (only mexico didn’t). the quarter finals was basically made up with previous world cup winners + portugal
Will this world cup be the cup of the powerhouse or will it be like 2002 with loads of upsets?
Pippinu said | December 9th 2009 @ 6:11pm | Report comment
Actually, I wasn’t necessarily trying to say that there’s always an upset – I was really relating 2010 more to 2002 where there were a few new faces amongst the quarter finalists.
And just as two big names missed out in 2002 (or three counting Portugal), I reckon we will have a similar attrition rate in 2010.
But I’m not saying that is the norm – in fact one could argue that the reverse is true.
Teffers said | December 9th 2009 @ 3:26pm | Report comment
Great analysis, keep them coming… Now for my two cents
Argentina is going to be the must watch team of the tournament, unfortunately not for it’s football. Mr. Maradona is going to be the focus of the media, whether this will affect the players or not is going to be interesting. Whilst I believe that Argentina should have little trouble winning the group, I can’t see them going much further. If someone could bound and gag Maradona just before the tournament begins then they may have a chance, but I am seriously of the opinion that Mr. Ego is their more for himself than his country and will end up turning group B into a circus. Their first game against Nigeria should indicate their level of self belief and confidence. I am also eagerly awaiting the post match interviews!!
Nigeria are no longer the team that I loved to watch during the 90′s and could be classed in the ‘good, but…’ category. They have done well in recent times without really setting the house on fire. It was mentioned that relations between Nigeria and South Africa are a little strained (too many scams I think), I believe that this could be the catalyst needed to spark the Eagles into life, especially if there is a possibility of the two teams meeting in the next round. Their most important game will be against the Koreans, I believe that the winner of this will join Argentina into the next stage.
In Asia I believe that there is no better, more consistent team than the South Korean’s, outside of Asia? Well that can be anyone’s guess. They have to be one of the most frustrating teams to watch, they show periods of complete class, completely dominating most teams, only to suffer a lapse in concentration and concede a goal. If they can keep it together they could be joining Argentina, if not, then it will be the usual so close yet so far. The game against Nigeria will be their moment of truth.
Greece is going to be one of those teams that park the bus, brick up the windows and throw away the keys. I can honestly say that Greece could be undefeated yet unable to win either; three games, three draws. You can almost imagine Leonidas and his Spartans plugging up the goal posts screaming ‘NONE SHALL PASS!!’. We keep hearing that Greece won the Euro’s, they’re better than many suggest, but I really do believe that this one trick pony has been found out. They will not concede many goals, but they wont score many either. I expect Greece to be the draw specialists.
I see Argentina being joined by Nigeria simply because they have more to prove. South Korea and Greece will fight it out for third.
Pippinu said | December 9th 2009 @ 3:37pm | Report comment
Teffers
thanks for your terrific comments.
Ben of Phnom Penh said | December 10th 2009 @ 12:42pm | Report comment
If Maradonna does his usual homework and plays to his coaching strengths I can see Nigeria causing an upset in the first game here. South Korea will take Greece apart if the latter sits back and defends. A starting win for Nigeria and South Korea could make this an interesting group indeed.
AndyRoo said | December 9th 2009 @ 4:47pm | Report comment
This group is really open, if Argentina aren’t first then I guess that’s a surprise but with Maradona in charge it would be just that a surprise rather than a shock.
Any of these teams could hit form and make it through.
Pip, for future groups perhaps add the group schedule on the end. I found myself wondering who played who when
Pippinu said | December 9th 2009 @ 6:01pm | Report comment
Good suggestion.