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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/12/10/gambling-on-matches-a-risky-bet-for-the-nrl/comment-page-1/#comment-267163</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 06:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Watching the NZ v Pak cricket Test and I would love to bet that some of the comms have had a bet on the match! Refer to prices every 30mins or so and you can tell who has backed what outcome just by listening to their passion for the way the game is developing at different times. Quite funny really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Watching the NZ v Pak cricket Test and I would love to bet that some of the comms have had a bet on the match! Refer to prices every 30mins or so and you can tell who has backed what outcome just by listening to their passion for the way the game is developing at different times. Quite funny really.</p>
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		<title>By: AndyRoo</title>
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		<dc:creator>AndyRoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 06:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeh I think this should be a case for self regulation. The betting agencies should pick up on this mood and keep it more low key, if they go over the top their will be a ground swell against them and they will cop legislation like tobacco. Just because they are currently allowed to do something desn&#039;t mean they should.

The HAL does a bit at half time where the normal commentators give you the half time price, I think thats as far as it should go,  no need to talk about it when the game is on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeh I think this should be a case for self regulation. The betting agencies should pick up on this mood and keep it more low key, if they go over the top their will be a ground swell against them and they will cop legislation like tobacco. Just because they are currently allowed to do something desn&#8217;t mean they should.</p>
<p>The HAL does a bit at half time where the normal commentators give you the half time price, I think thats as far as it should go,  no need to talk about it when the game is on.</p>
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		<title>By: Mushi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mushi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 06:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What the hell does the Iraq war have to do with it? So you’re happy to have any investigation conducted like the Iraq war – authorities can act knowing no evidence exists and use it as pretext to achieve some other result?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What the hell does the Iraq war have to do with it? So you’re happy to have any investigation conducted like the Iraq war – authorities can act knowing no evidence exists and use it as pretext to achieve some other result?</p>
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		<title>By: Mushi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mushi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 06:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree if you want US college style point shaving in the NRL then force betting underground</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree if you want US college style point shaving in the NRL then force betting underground</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Woodward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Woodward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 07:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BG what is your definition of evidence?
Does an alarming change in prices early in the week?
What about when a big chunk of the money was at the margin suggesting an easy win?
Every major bookie I know rang an alarm bell.
Punters I spoke to were conscious of the unusual circumstances.
BG you are correct that there is no evidence to convict, but there is enough circumstantial evidence to take action, and in some cases that has happened unofficially.
The USA had no evidence to invade Iraq and grab Pres Hussein, but I am glad they did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BG what is your definition of evidence?<br />
Does an alarming change in prices early in the week?<br />
What about when a big chunk of the money was at the margin suggesting an easy win?<br />
Every major bookie I know rang an alarm bell.<br />
Punters I spoke to were conscious of the unusual circumstances.<br />
BG you are correct that there is no evidence to convict, but there is enough circumstantial evidence to take action, and in some cases that has happened unofficially.<br />
The USA had no evidence to invade Iraq and grab Pres Hussein, but I am glad they did.</p>
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		<title>By: Barking Glider</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barking Glider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 04:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the record BG are you of the opinion that everything is above board and squeaky clean?

Of course I am of that opinion. There&#039;s no evidence of anything else going on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the record BG are you of the opinion that everything is above board and squeaky clean?</p>
<p>Of course I am of that opinion. There&#8217;s no evidence of anything else going on.</p>
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		<title>By: ScottWoodward.me</title>
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		<dc:creator>ScottWoodward.me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 01:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You really must stop quoting me incorrectly. I am happy to debate the issue, especially as it is such an important one.
1. I haven&#039;t demanded anything.
2. I never claimed the VCGR are &quot;hopeless&quot;
I certainly do not claim to &quot;know all&quot; but I do believe I can smell a rat. Our major sporting bodies need someone with an appropriate background who can not only know where to investigate possible crimes, but importantly have the &quot;nose&quot; to stop them before they have started.
When hundreds of millions are invested on anything, it will attract undesirable activities, and at the moment there is NO dedicated watch dog.
For the record BG are you of the opinion that everything is above board and squeaky clean?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You really must stop quoting me incorrectly. I am happy to debate the issue, especially as it is such an important one.<br />
1. I haven&#8217;t demanded anything.<br />
2. I never claimed the VCGR are &#8220;hopeless&#8221;<br />
I certainly do not claim to &#8220;know all&#8221; but I do believe I can smell a rat. Our major sporting bodies need someone with an appropriate background who can not only know where to investigate possible crimes, but importantly have the &#8220;nose&#8221; to stop them before they have started.<br />
When hundreds of millions are invested on anything, it will attract undesirable activities, and at the moment there is NO dedicated watch dog.<br />
For the record BG are you of the opinion that everything is above board and squeaky clean?</p>
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		<title>By: Barking Glider</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barking Glider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 10:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So you demand  that the NRL and AFL introduce a steward, which would do what the VCGR did, but you claim the VCGR are hopeless as well. How about you become the NRL and AFL steward seeing as you know all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you demand  that the NRL and AFL introduce a steward, which would do what the VCGR did, but you claim the VCGR are hopeless as well. How about you become the NRL and AFL steward seeing as you know all.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Woodward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Woodward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 08:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barking Glider so you are one of those guys who believe everything they read? What about weather reports? The VCGR investigated the NRL who would be the first to admit that they do not understand the subject, so they made a call to the clubs who naturally said they know nothing.
Can you imagine the NRL, the Roosters and the Cowboys investigating a sting, pllllllllease!
I am not sure who the VCGR spoke to but they never spoke to any punter or bookie that I know of. The difficulty is that there is a huge &quot;illegal&quot; market that these guys would have no contact with.
When it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, in general BG more often than not, it turns out to be Daffy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barking Glider so you are one of those guys who believe everything they read? What about weather reports? The VCGR investigated the NRL who would be the first to admit that they do not understand the subject, so they made a call to the clubs who naturally said they know nothing.<br />
Can you imagine the NRL, the Roosters and the Cowboys investigating a sting, pllllllllease!<br />
I am not sure who the VCGR spoke to but they never spoke to any punter or bookie that I know of. The difficulty is that there is a huge &#8220;illegal&#8221; market that these guys would have no contact with.<br />
When it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, in general BG more often than not, it turns out to be Daffy.</p>
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		<title>By: Barking Glider</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barking Glider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 02:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rubbish. The Victorian gambling commission investigated the Roosters match and found that the NRL&#039;s investigation into it was sufficient and proved there was nothing untoward. 

&quot;The VCGR said the NRL had fully and properly investigated the matter and recognised the importance of protecting the sport&#039;s integrity.&quot;  http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/1134817/NRL-match-fixing-claims-quashed

There were many NRL matches over recent seasons where there has been a run of points one way to one team. It&#039;s called possession flow. Have a look at the Kangaroos vs England 4N final for an example.  

The NRL and AFL haven&#039;t formed joint ventures with betting agencies. They have sponsorship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rubbish. The Victorian gambling commission investigated the Roosters match and found that the NRL&#8217;s investigation into it was sufficient and proved there was nothing untoward. </p>
<p>&#8220;The VCGR said the NRL had fully and properly investigated the matter and recognised the importance of protecting the sport&#8217;s integrity.&#8221;  <a href="http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/1134817/NRL-match-fixing-claims-quashed" rel="nofollow">http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/1134817/NRL-match-fixing-claims-quashed</a></p>
<p>There were many NRL matches over recent seasons where there has been a run of points one way to one team. It&#8217;s called possession flow. Have a look at the Kangaroos vs England 4N final for an example.  </p>
<p>The NRL and AFL haven&#8217;t formed joint ventures with betting agencies. They have sponsorship.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Woodward</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/12/10/gambling-on-matches-a-risky-bet-for-the-nrl/comment-page-2/#comment-266313</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Woodward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 01:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve excellent post but the ARL, NRL and who ever we end up with next year just don’t want to know about the subject of maintaining integrity in relation to betting.

It is in the “too hard basket” for them and they happily hand ball it onto the police, who in turn do nothing. The Racing world have their own dedicated stewards, but the footy world don’t think it is necessary because they partly have their head in the sand, and consider the money involved may only be small bickies.

The NRL and AFL have both formed joint ventured with betting agencies which signal that they accept an income stream from betting, but they have no idea where it originates from and if it was “hot” money. They don’t care, as long as it keeps coming.

The Roosters V Cowboys game should have been a shot across the bow but nothing has happened officially, and will not.

I originally included the Roosters in my staking plan as part of my preview on RacenetTV and my MillionDollarRatings, but had no hesitation to then take them out after observing “unusual” betting movements. I did this mid week and warned my members to “stay out” and displayed a warning ticker on my blog.

A red flag was waiving with any thinking person that knows anything about wagering, and after watching the game at the SFS, what happened in the second half would have made great copy for Paul Newman and Robert Redford in “The Sting”.

Steve Kaless quoted: “It is estimated that the yearly nationwide pool in rugby league betting is around $300 million dollars per year.”

I know of a couple of guys that would cover that figure on their own. Rugby League is big business, who when the smoke is cleared, will rely on the punting dollar to survive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve excellent post but the ARL, NRL and who ever we end up with next year just don’t want to know about the subject of maintaining integrity in relation to betting.</p>
<p>It is in the “too hard basket” for them and they happily hand ball it onto the police, who in turn do nothing. The Racing world have their own dedicated stewards, but the footy world don’t think it is necessary because they partly have their head in the sand, and consider the money involved may only be small bickies.</p>
<p>The NRL and AFL have both formed joint ventured with betting agencies which signal that they accept an income stream from betting, but they have no idea where it originates from and if it was “hot” money. They don’t care, as long as it keeps coming.</p>
<p>The Roosters V Cowboys game should have been a shot across the bow but nothing has happened officially, and will not.</p>
<p>I originally included the Roosters in my staking plan as part of my preview on RacenetTV and my MillionDollarRatings, but had no hesitation to then take them out after observing “unusual” betting movements. I did this mid week and warned my members to “stay out” and displayed a warning ticker on my blog.</p>
<p>A red flag was waiving with any thinking person that knows anything about wagering, and after watching the game at the SFS, what happened in the second half would have made great copy for Paul Newman and Robert Redford in “The Sting”.</p>
<p>Steve Kaless quoted: “It is estimated that the yearly nationwide pool in rugby league betting is around $300 million dollars per year.”</p>
<p>I know of a couple of guys that would cover that figure on their own. Rugby League is big business, who when the smoke is cleared, will rely on the punting dollar to survive.</p>
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		<title>By: MyGeneration</title>
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		<dc:creator>MyGeneration</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 11:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing to note here is that this sort of review is possible because betting is open and (somewhat) transparent. If you drive betting underground there will be rumours, but no realistic chance of investigation. Just because betting isn&#039;t visible doesn&#039;t mean there isn&#039;t any betting. The current visibility of betting, plus scandals in a number of sports, is distasteful to many, but the alternative is really for sporting bodies to stick their heads in the sand, because betting will go on regardless. If Rabs and Sterlo are alerting us to betting moves (I know it&#039;s advertising), we can make our own minds up about what is going on out on the field. Transparency is crucial to integrity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing to note here is that this sort of review is possible because betting is open and (somewhat) transparent. If you drive betting underground there will be rumours, but no realistic chance of investigation. Just because betting isn&#8217;t visible doesn&#8217;t mean there isn&#8217;t any betting. The current visibility of betting, plus scandals in a number of sports, is distasteful to many, but the alternative is really for sporting bodies to stick their heads in the sand, because betting will go on regardless. If Rabs and Sterlo are alerting us to betting moves (I know it&#8217;s advertising), we can make our own minds up about what is going on out on the field. Transparency is crucial to integrity.</p>
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		<title>By: Col the Bear</title>
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		<dc:creator>Col the Bear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:23:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Steve where can I put some loose cash on the CCBears getting up into the NRL by 2013..now that one I will back...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Steve where can I put some loose cash on the CCBears getting up into the NRL by 2013..now that one I will back&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Kaless</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Kaless</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 13:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An interesting post script from the UK&#039;s Guardian.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/dec/10/corruption-sport-government-review-rick-parry</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An interesting post script from the UK&#8217;s Guardian.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/dec/10/corruption-sport-government-review-rick-parry" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/dec/10/corruption-sport-government-review-rick-parry</a></p>
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		<title>By: Steve Kaless</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Kaless</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 13:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was no editorial decision for the issue to only focus on NRL Barking, it is simply my beat and the issue interested me, the other columnists like myself have complete freedom to choose their own articles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was no editorial decision for the issue to only focus on NRL Barking, it is simply my beat and the issue interested me, the other columnists like myself have complete freedom to choose their own articles.</p>
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		<title>By: The Answer</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Answer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 12:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sterlo still appears on Fox as they take the Nine feed on those games.

The problem with Sterlo and Rabs punting tips (apart from the fact they come from dreadful punters) seem to be more down to the Channel Nine production decisions rather than betting per se.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sterlo still appears on Fox as they take the Nine feed on those games.</p>
<p>The problem with Sterlo and Rabs punting tips (apart from the fact they come from dreadful punters) seem to be more down to the Channel Nine production decisions rather than betting per se.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Kaless</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Kaless</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cotton, I agree I found the advertising of the running odds during the game quite off. Interestingly, according to Sportsbet those &#039;ads&#039; from Rabs and Sterlo don&#039;t actually increase the bet in play market much at all, but just the brand awareness, so surely there must be a strong arument on the &#039;why bother&#039; front.

Sadly like cotton jerseys the days of watching a match without being bombarded by odds are probably behind us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cotton, I agree I found the advertising of the running odds during the game quite off. Interestingly, according to Sportsbet those &#8216;ads&#8217; from Rabs and Sterlo don&#8217;t actually increase the bet in play market much at all, but just the brand awareness, so surely there must be a strong arument on the &#8216;why bother&#8217; front.</p>
<p>Sadly like cotton jerseys the days of watching a match without being bombarded by odds are probably behind us.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:16:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spot on, those that want a bet (me!) should be entitled too but I dont need it rammed down my throat every 30 secs</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spot on, those that want a bet (me!) should be entitled too but I dont need it rammed down my throat every 30 secs</p>
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		<title>By: Barking Glider</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barking Glider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 08:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is sensible matter to raise, but in regard to all major sports in Australia. Why just a story on the NRL? What about the AFL? The AFL basically told the Victorian betting watchdog to get stuffed when they were out under scrutiny about match fixing in AFL (I&#039;m not calling it tanking).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is sensible matter to raise, but in regard to all major sports in Australia. Why just a story on the NRL? What about the AFL? The AFL basically told the Victorian betting watchdog to get stuffed when they were out under scrutiny about match fixing in AFL (I&#8217;m not calling it tanking).</p>
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		<title>By: oikee</title>
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		<dc:creator>oikee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 07:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, i watch alot of rugby league on Fox, so Sterlo dont really bother me, what bothers me is getting a fix of anything rugby league in the off season. :)
Anyhow, this might cheer us up, love this video. Enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_slM5Hmsp6g</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, i watch alot of rugby league on Fox, so Sterlo dont really bother me, what bothers me is getting a fix of anything rugby league in the off season. <img src='http://cdn0.theroar.com.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Anyhow, this might cheer us up, love this video. Enjoy.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_slM5Hmsp6g" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_slM5Hmsp6g</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tifosi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tifosi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 06:57:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leave the betting. 

But no betting ads, no commentators telling me odds either. You think seeing rabbits and sterlo talking odds are bad, hearing Richie Benaud say it at the cricket must be the worst thing i have seen on tv.

In conclusion betting yes, advertising the betting during games. NO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leave the betting. </p>
<p>But no betting ads, no commentators telling me odds either. You think seeing rabbits and sterlo talking odds are bad, hearing Richie Benaud say it at the cricket must be the worst thing i have seen on tv.</p>
<p>In conclusion betting yes, advertising the betting during games. NO.</p>
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		<title>By: Mick from Giralang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mick from Giralang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 05:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree with you Oikee, I have a mate whose life was shattered by gambling addiction unfortunately he has yet to turn things around like you have. I am not suggesting rugby league should end its association with gambling completely after all it&#039;s a legal activity and gamblign and sport have gone together since day one. It just annoys the hell out of me that they&#039;re using the commentary team to push the envelope during games.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree with you Oikee, I have a mate whose life was shattered by gambling addiction unfortunately he has yet to turn things around like you have. I am not suggesting rugby league should end its association with gambling completely after all it&#8217;s a legal activity and gamblign and sport have gone together since day one. It just annoys the hell out of me that they&#8217;re using the commentary team to push the envelope during games.</p>
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		<title>By: oikee</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/12/10/gambling-on-matches-a-risky-bet-for-the-nrl/comment-page-1/#comment-265255</link>
		<dc:creator>oikee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 05:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And Mick, one thing mate, i am not having a go at you, but i was one of those gamblers, and nearly lost my house and marriage over it at the time. It does not effect me these adds , or probably many of the millions of gamblers out there. I was one, i do know. 
I learnt my lesson, and now own my own home, paid for, so its up to the individual, same applies to drugs mate. You stick that needle in your arm, hey, you took that choice, nobody forced you. So dont let guilt of humanity run you into the ground, as long as you are a good person, be happy. Cheers mate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Mick, one thing mate, i am not having a go at you, but i was one of those gamblers, and nearly lost my house and marriage over it at the time. It does not effect me these adds , or probably many of the millions of gamblers out there. I was one, i do know.<br />
I learnt my lesson, and now own my own home, paid for, so its up to the individual, same applies to drugs mate. You stick that needle in your arm, hey, you took that choice, nobody forced you. So dont let guilt of humanity run you into the ground, as long as you are a good person, be happy. Cheers mate.</p>
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		<title>By: oikee</title>
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		<dc:creator>oikee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 05:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well quite frankly i dont know why you guys are carrying on about betting, mate, what are we doing here , ? trying to save the world from gambling, the government indorses gambling, The USA allows for Poppy growing in Afganistan, the Chinese government allows for a 100 ton quota of ivory into china, we all beleived bush about weapons of mass destruction, and we let our kids go to schoolies week. ???  

Gambling is one of lifes painful reminders of why we are human. Along with every other evil. Lets not turn this into a save the world , when we can&#039;t even endorse a engine emmisions program which is compulsary in England, and europe, now who&#039;s talking about saving the last 1500 tigers in the wild, ????  You want to save them, put them in a zoo. Even then, we will read a report how the guards smuggled them out for a nice price tag. Remember 1 thing, we all have lust and greed before us, its up to the individual to say no. Your the one with duty of care, to yourself and others, but your not responsible for there doings. 
Hope that answered your question fully Cotton, i really did not have time before, was off to the bank to cancel a evil, my credit card. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well quite frankly i dont know why you guys are carrying on about betting, mate, what are we doing here , ? trying to save the world from gambling, the government indorses gambling, The USA allows for Poppy growing in Afganistan, the Chinese government allows for a 100 ton quota of ivory into china, we all beleived bush about weapons of mass destruction, and we let our kids go to schoolies week. ???  </p>
<p>Gambling is one of lifes painful reminders of why we are human. Along with every other evil. Lets not turn this into a save the world , when we can&#8217;t even endorse a engine emmisions program which is compulsary in England, and europe, now who&#8217;s talking about saving the last 1500 tigers in the wild, ????  You want to save them, put them in a zoo. Even then, we will read a report how the guards smuggled them out for a nice price tag. Remember 1 thing, we all have lust and greed before us, its up to the individual to say no. Your the one with duty of care, to yourself and others, but your not responsible for there doings.<br />
Hope that answered your question fully Cotton, i really did not have time before, was off to the bank to cancel a evil, my credit card. <img src='http://cdn0.theroar.com.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mick from Giralang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mick from Giralang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 03:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spot on Cotton. I find the personal endorsement of betting during the match commentary sickening. Sterling of all people would know the misery that current and ex footballers, not to mention ordinary punters, have suffered through addiction to gambling.

Steve, I agree with the thrust of your article but I think the Roosters accusations have been overblown. Glenn Munsie from Sportsbet is on the record as saying they had no problems with the match against the Cowboys. An NRL investigation also found nothing wrong. Much of the SMH article which laid the original accusations against the Roosters has subsequently been debunked. 

None of that of course means the game can afford to be complacent about the impact of betting. There have been well publicised betting scandals involving the AFL and soccer in recent years and rugby league is not immune from the same sort of risks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spot on Cotton. I find the personal endorsement of betting during the match commentary sickening. Sterling of all people would know the misery that current and ex footballers, not to mention ordinary punters, have suffered through addiction to gambling.</p>
<p>Steve, I agree with the thrust of your article but I think the Roosters accusations have been overblown. Glenn Munsie from Sportsbet is on the record as saying they had no problems with the match against the Cowboys. An NRL investigation also found nothing wrong. Much of the SMH article which laid the original accusations against the Roosters has subsequently been debunked. </p>
<p>None of that of course means the game can afford to be complacent about the impact of betting. There have been well publicised betting scandals involving the AFL and soccer in recent years and rugby league is not immune from the same sort of risks.</p>
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		<title>By: oikee</title>
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		<dc:creator>oikee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 03:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, we dont need betting, but people do bet on games. So putting some money back into your code from these proceeds seems ok in this world we live. As for Gambling, i am with you, i dont even bet on the Melbourne cup.  We all have choice, you just sometimes have to learn the hard way, if you get what i mean. ? Yes, i gave up gambling about 15 years ago.

Bet responsibly, true, but does not work for some people. I also learnt the hard way. Part of lifes lessons. I for one know the evils of gambling, so i am on your side, but still does not stop the government from reaping profits from betting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, we dont need betting, but people do bet on games. So putting some money back into your code from these proceeds seems ok in this world we live. As for Gambling, i am with you, i dont even bet on the Melbourne cup.  We all have choice, you just sometimes have to learn the hard way, if you get what i mean. ? Yes, i gave up gambling about 15 years ago.</p>
<p>Bet responsibly, true, but does not work for some people. I also learnt the hard way. Part of lifes lessons. I for one know the evils of gambling, so i am on your side, but still does not stop the government from reaping profits from betting.</p>
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		<title>By: Cotton McKnight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cotton McKnight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 02:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oikee, you said we need betting. Could you explain what you mean by this? I&#039;ll be up front, I don&#039;t like gambling much, I&#039;ve seen too many people, personally, that have had real problems with it, doing real damage. But I can also see the fun in putting on a bet. I am not trying to ban it. But I am concerned that as A sponsor to NRL and channel nine, the promotion of it make me a bit uncomfortable. Peter Sterling and Rabs telling us the ongoing odds, but making sure we bet responsibly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oikee, you said we need betting. Could you explain what you mean by this? I&#8217;ll be up front, I don&#8217;t like gambling much, I&#8217;ve seen too many people, personally, that have had real problems with it, doing real damage. But I can also see the fun in putting on a bet. I am not trying to ban it. But I am concerned that as A sponsor to NRL and channel nine, the promotion of it make me a bit uncomfortable. Peter Sterling and Rabs telling us the ongoing odds, but making sure we bet responsibly.</p>
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		<title>By: oikee</title>
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		<dc:creator>oikee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 02:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, sorry, i was wrong, it was sponsership deals, and the peice i was reading must have been for a sponsership deal with a different agency, sorry, my mistake. 
But to add to your question, with the game being so close now,&quot; last can beat 1st &quot;, how would you find out if there was a scam being played out, i could put 100 thousand on the sharks to beat Parramatta, next year. What would that mean, they beat them this year. I recall the game, the shark crowd went ballistic, cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, sorry, i was wrong, it was sponsership deals, and the peice i was reading must have been for a sponsership deal with a different agency, sorry, my mistake.<br />
But to add to your question, with the game being so close now,&#8221; last can beat 1st &#8220;, how would you find out if there was a scam being played out, i could put 100 thousand on the sharks to beat Parramatta, next year. What would that mean, they beat them this year. I recall the game, the shark crowd went ballistic, cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: Russell Bussian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russell Bussian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 01:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My understanding is that the NRL receives lump sum sponsorships from betting companies rather than profit sharing. I wasn&#039;t aware of then receiving say 1% of net profit. The sponsorship might work out around that but at least it doesn&#039;t give the NRL a financial incentive to increase betting turnover.

Those other Roosters game Steve mentioned as possible suspicious games could be right. That game in Melbourne was played on a wet night and I found it odd that all the big punters were looking to back the Storm giving a big start in the rain. That is the opposite of what they would usually do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My understanding is that the NRL receives lump sum sponsorships from betting companies rather than profit sharing. I wasn&#8217;t aware of then receiving say 1% of net profit. The sponsorship might work out around that but at least it doesn&#8217;t give the NRL a financial incentive to increase betting turnover.</p>
<p>Those other Roosters game Steve mentioned as possible suspicious games could be right. That game in Melbourne was played on a wet night and I found it odd that all the big punters were looking to back the Storm giving a big start in the rain. That is the opposite of what they would usually do.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Whitchurch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Whitchurch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 01:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oikee, 

Yeah, I&#039;d like to see something more solid :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oikee, </p>
<p>Yeah, I&#8217;d like to see something more solid <img src='http://cdn0.theroar.com.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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