The southern teams have gone, it’s raining tries again
By pothale, 14 Dec 2009 Pot Hale is a Roar Guru
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The Heineken European Cup resumed this weekend, after the Autumn Test International break in November. And with the defensive kick-oriented Southern Hemisphere test rugby off the stage – bar two matches – it started raining tries again (58 in all) across 12 matches.
There was rugby for every type of aficionado of the game.
Friday night saw the grinding but thrilling win by Munster 24-23 over Top 14 champions, Perpignan, who ended up on the losing side.
This was despite scoring three tries against the restored, brilliant boot of Ronan O’Gara, who masterminded the win with his kicking out of hand and from the tee.
O’Gara’s kicking had reduced to season average of 43% before the game, he finished the game with 8 kicks out of 9.
Perpignan nearly made it, with SA import Phillip Berger running the full length of the pitch for one of the tries of the comp, to take the lead in the dying minutes, only for O’Gara to give the Munstermen victory.
Meanwhile, Magners League leaders, Glasgow, were dishing it out to Gloucester at Firhill, finishing 33-11 to the good with Dan Parks in flying form with boot and hand – seven kicks, and a hand in two tries on his scoring ledger.
Saturday’s games opened up with a bang, with Ospreys running riot in Italy against Super 10 side Viadana, and running in eight tries against a single consolation one.
World cup winner, Ricky Januarie, was at the heart of many of the Welsh tries with his quick passing finding players time after time to get over the line.
In Belfast, Ulster were proving Ravenhill remains a fortress against Stade Francais, posting four Heineken Cup home wins of five against the French side.
Irish out-half, Ian Humphreys, ran the game to perfection with his place kicking and tactical play setting up two of the game’s tries, including one from his 22, linking to a storming Stephen Ferris run to the line that was finished off by Scotland’s Simon Danielli for the Irish side.
Ulster now top their pool.
Another top French side were paying a visit to Wales, where Cardiff Blues met Toulouse. The French sides’ ability to drop form away from home continued with this game; the only one to not produce a try from two of the comp’s more fluent teams.
It finished 15-9 in favour of the Blues.
Perpignan had already created the shock of the competition in the opening rounds by losing away to lowly Italian side, Treviso – normally a bonus point banker.
The Italians looked like they might repeat the feat, when they took on Northampton in their English fortress at Franklin Gardens.
The scoreline as half-time approached was 3-13, with the Italians a try to the good.
The Saints woke up from their stupor and crossed the line four times either side of the half-time point.
Treviso got another later on in the game, but couldn’t manage to close the gap, with Northampton finishing comfortably at 30-18 with a bonus point in the bag.
The final two games of the day ended up with lop-sided scores in two away wins.
Brive were another poor French team, coughing up five tries against London Irish with some sub-standard defending in a 3-36 defeat.
The try of the match was an eye-catching run by Steffon Armitage – the Englishman dancing down the touchline past Brive defence and finishing under the posts.
Irish now lead their pool over current champions Leinster on try difference.
Leinster had come out of the blocks against the Scarlets, with Horgan, Shaun Berne and Gordon Darcy crossing the line in a blistering period in the first half that left the Scarlets breathless.
Both sides moved the ball around in hand, with very few kicks being taken.
Scarlets came out in the second half and played more pragmatically to gain field position. They were rewarded with a powerful try by Jonathan Davies.
That was all the Welsh side got though as Leinster continued to press and crossed for their fourth try courtesy of some lovely footwork by the Australian Berne passing to Man of the Match, Sean O’Brien, crossing for the bonus point.
Kidney now has a third option to use at seven in the World Cup – O’Brien may well outshine Wallace and Jennings in the upcoming Six Nations with a greater facility for fetching than his multi-capped counterparts.
Leinster finished 7-32 to the good.
Sunday saw the final batch of matches from Round 3 completed with four matches on the card. Bath reasserted their position in their pool with a 16-9 defeat of Edinburgh and kept the home crowd happy with two tries from Stephenson and Dixon.
The tempo increased at the Stoop in an all-English affair where last season’s bad boys, Harlequins, played Sale in a frantic, open, try-scoring game with Sale eventually finishing the winners; outscoring Quins four tries to three.
The final two matches had 118 points scored between them. First up, Biarritz restored French pride with a home thrashing of Welsh outfit Newport-Gwent Dragons, 49-13.
Former English International Ian Balshaw got two of Biarritz’s six tries who overwhelmed the Dragons and benefiting from two yellow cards.
Last game of the day saw Clermont Auvergne finally defeat Leicester in a high scoring match (40-30) with eight tries on the board by the end.
Clermont surged into a seemingly unassailable lead of 35-9 with ten minutes to go.
Six minutes later the Tigers had three tries on the board, and were relishing either getting a losing bonus point, and possibly a fourth try bonus point.
Clermont put their final try over the line, and a mad scramble on their own line at the final whistle prevented Leicester taking anything from the match.
58 tries ought to keep the crowds returning for next week’s round – it starts all over again in 5 days.
Northern hemisphere rugby boring? Natch.
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December 14th 2009 @ 7:41am
Brett McKay said | December 14th 2009 @ 7:41am | Report comment
But, but, Pots……
I saw the tail end of the Ulster-Stade game yesterday in a shopping centre of all places (on a pay-tv booth), and it certainly a wide, free-flowing affair by then.
But either way, it’s hardly the fault of southern hemisphere sides that the Home Unions couldn’t score tries!!
December 14th 2009 @ 8:10am
pothale said | December 14th 2009 @ 8:10am | Report comment
Just getting it up for you southern guys, Brett.
Have to say i was astonished by the results given recent levels of play, weather, etc. We had wind, wet, sun and snow across the various matches, and it still rained tries – extraordinary.
Well pleased for Ulster – they deserved their victory. Next week will be a tougher prospect with the switcharound Round 4 – same sides play except home/away is switched for the matches. Ulster winning at the King Bedouin staidum in Brussels would be something.
December 14th 2009 @ 9:08am
Matt said | December 14th 2009 @ 9:08am | Report comment
Any idea on how many tickets have been sold for the Brussels match pothale?
I’m hoping that the reverse fixtures is an entertaining affair to really catch the attention of the Belgium fans watching the match. Hopefully a landmark fixture that sees more matches played in other major European nations.
Also great to see some attractive rugby being played in the North. Hopefully the Super14 will see some attacking rugby from the get go and then we can all look forward to a great build into the WC year.
December 14th 2009 @ 11:43am
PastHisBest said | December 14th 2009 @ 11:43am | Report comment
“…of all places (on a pay-tv booth)…”
Sounds mighty dodgy Brett!!
December 14th 2009 @ 7:49am
Yikes said | December 14th 2009 @ 7:49am | Report comment
This is a little bit like the climate change deniers who look outside and say “But there’s a snow storm today – global warming’s not real!!”
Frankly, I’ve always felt that good rugby can be played under any Laws. And the further down you go from international rugby, the more likely it is to have good rugby played. Provincial, club, recreational, school rugby is all much, much better than international rugby sometimes.
But good on the Heineken Cup. It’s one of the best competitions in the world and if the teams are playing attractive rugby more power to them. That doesn’t necessarily mean that the game as a whole doesn’t still has some problems to solve, though.
December 14th 2009 @ 11:53am
Who Needs Melon said | December 14th 2009 @ 11:53am | Report comment
Acknowledging that this isn’t the forum to debate climate change, I’m firmly in the “denier” category and have never heard any fellow denier utter anything as stupid as “a snow storm today – global warming’s not real”.
In the global warming debate, the real point of contention is what are the drivers effecting climate. For a denier like myself, human activity has about as much effect on climate as sticking your arms up in the air on a roller coaster.
In the quality of rugby debate, the real point of contention is what are the drivers for conservative, negative tactics. I agree with you that I think there is more to it than just the laws.
December 14th 2009 @ 7:20pm
Yikes said | December 14th 2009 @ 7:20pm | Report comment
Well, WNM, you haven’t been listening to Fox News! Every time a cold snap hits, global warming is “revealed” as a hoax.
What are the drivers? For me, the fact humans emit 28 billion tonnes of C02 into the atmosphere each year is enough to suggest to me that we have at least a small parachute attached to our arms on the roller coaster. And it’s getting bigger each time we go on the ride. And one day it will rip our arms off. But Melon, we can agree to disagree on that one.
In a rugby sense, there is a mix between what the Laws are and the role of the all-important fear of losing. The higher up the level of game (provincial, international) the greater the consequences of losing. Hence the game is played differently to lower levels of the game where winning is important, but not everything. My argument is that there is a nexus between what the Laws allow (cheating, penalty goals to be scored) and what is the best option statistically speaking for a team whose fear of losing trumps the incentive of playing open football.
Rugby has to find the sweet spot between the Laws and the fear of losing so that at the top end of the game, it is the statistically right choice to play attractive football as opposed to negative football. At the moment, the needle is pointed too far in the direction of negative play – kicking, good defence, good goal kicker wins you matches more often than not.
December 14th 2009 @ 8:21am
Harry said | December 14th 2009 @ 8:21am | Report comment
Thanks Pothale, a very good read … astonished to see the likes of Berne and Balshaw still running around.
Nothing wrong with NH club rugby – like club rugby here. I wonder how Sydney Uni would go in the Heneiken Cup for instance? Pretty well I reckon.
When I lived in the NH I used to particularly enjoy watching the Welsh club matches – well attended, passionate, some great rugby. Come the test matches though, and the Welsh at that time (early 90′s) were dire.
December 14th 2009 @ 8:52am
Viscount Crouchback said | December 14th 2009 @ 8:52am | Report comment
But, but, Pots….
All these try-fest matches have had a common denominator: abject defending. Leinster and Ospreys yesterday, Sale and Clermont today – all made to look good by comically bad tackling. I don’t think we should start acclaiming northern hemisphere rugby just because the quality of defensive play suddenly took a turn for the worse.
The really interesting results of the past few days have been the resounding defeats for the Australian schoolboys in England. Beaten by an Academies side on Wednesday and now defeated by an England U18 side – the Aussies are U19, I believe – today. We could see a beasting when the England U19 team get their chance to have a crack next weekend.
And with Fearns, Gaskell, Brooker, Saull, Goode, Seymour, Homer & Co all looking pretty special in club rugby, it’s exciting times for the future of English rugby.
December 14th 2009 @ 8:59am
Harry said | December 14th 2009 @ 8:59am | Report comment
If I can defend the Aus schoolboys, I don’t think many, if any, are 18 (i.e. Under 19) … most are 17 and a few 16.
December 14th 2009 @ 9:08am
Viscount Crouchback said | December 14th 2009 @ 9:08am | Report comment
There’s an interesting article on them here: http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/australian-schoolboys-a-new-generation/
It seems that the young ‘uns of Queensland earned selection ahead of their weaker, older NSW rivals.
December 14th 2009 @ 10:10am
pothale said | December 14th 2009 @ 10:10am | Report comment
VC – acclamation comes hard to you, I realise. Luckily enough, I was more remaking on the sudden try-fest. Agreed some of the defending in the matches was poor; equally as poor as some of the defending in some S14 matches last season.
However, to move from a position of such defence-oriented rugby during November – from both teams – to the sudden deluge this weekend has more than poor defending as its root cause.
Quick thinking and being fleet of foot helped considerablly – particularly for a couple of the tries scored in the Leinster match and the second one in the Ulster match. Did you find all the Sale/Quins tries that displeasing due to poor defence?
I thought I detected a certain willingness by players to have a go in the matches I watched – and it was no coincidence that some of those players were from south of the equator.
December 14th 2009 @ 10:51am
Viscount Crouchback said | December 14th 2009 @ 10:51am | Report comment
Well…. Just off the top of my head, Pothale:
- Horgan didn’t even have to step for his try – his inexperienced opposite number simply shot off past him and allowed Horgan a free run at the line
- Ditto for a couple of Sale’s tries today when George Lowe lost the plot in defence
- And then Nick Easter dropped a ball for Seymour to gallop over unopposed…
- Macleod made an awful missed tackle on Evans for the Quins first try
- Aaron Mauger made an awful missed tackle on the Islander chappie for Clermont’s second try, and the defensive work around the ruck for Clermont’s first try was non existent. Truly schoolboy stuff from the Tigers.
- Chris Malone’s try against Brive was just comical. The Brive defenders might as well have been traffic cones.
We shouldn’t confuse entertainment with quality. Slapstick defence is the former, but it certainly isn’t the latter.
December 14th 2009 @ 11:04am
pothale said | December 14th 2009 @ 11:04am | Report comment
VC – I did agree that some of the defending was poor. My point remains though that the try count was remarkabkly high in contrast to last month’s fare.
The Horgan try was a gimme. The second, third and fourth were not.
Equally, Perpignan’s tries against Munster were down to poor defending. however, USAP had clearly done their homework beforehand and spotted a weakness in the defence line of a side not normally given to yielding up soft tries.
Anyway, one can be permanently pessimistic and view one’s glass as perennially half-empty. At some point, if only for your own level of cheer and good heart, it’s worth recognising that some good skill and inventiveness have their part to play in the game. It’s not good for a doughty chap like you to be so morose all the time, it lets down the side.
December 14th 2009 @ 11:14am
Viscount Crouchback said | December 14th 2009 @ 11:14am | Report comment
I think you misread me, old fruit. I am perfectly willing to be optimistic but I am not willing to delude myself. The standard of rugger served up thus far in the northern hemisphere has been quite lamentable. I thought Munster’s performance on Friday was scarcely worthy of a pub team.
I put the try glut down to three factors:
1. Awful defending (easily the most important factor)
2. More attacking intent (to be applauded, certainly)
3. Referees seem to have relaxed their interpretation of the breakdown. Attacking teams even seemed to be getting away with a bit of sealing this weekend.
All in all, it was a promising weekend for rugger, but one has to question the merit of any competition in which unschooled pups (Lowe, the Llanelli winger) and superannuated, apathetic southern hemisphere chappies (Mauger) are falling off tackles left, right and centre.
December 14th 2009 @ 11:25am
Hayden said | December 14th 2009 @ 11:25am | Report comment
I saw the second half of the Clermont – Tigers game. Thought I was watching the S 14, snow aside. Tuqiri showed a nice touch in Flood’s try – how NSW / Aus must be tearing their hair out. It’s been years since he showed that much nous, and for Leicester of all teams. I think the Tigers benefited from a couple of marginal passes. I think they’ll get their revenge next week.
Nice article pots.
December 14th 2009 @ 11:28am
pothale said | December 14th 2009 @ 11:28am | Report comment
Lol! I love that last para. “Unschooled pups”! is a lovely description.
Your third point is interesting. Starting with the Munster match and going through some of the other matches, I noticed that first scrums were being called much later in games than usual. Allied to your point about the breakdown, it certainly helped things move on a lot quicker, and there were far less collapsed/re-set scrums than normal.
The prize for most apathetic defending must go to Brive though. For the second London Irish try, I could have sworn the Brive backs were clapping the Irish backs as they went forward to the line. Abject is too limited a description. But the French are infuriatingly poor in their form in this competition of late. Biarritz and Stade are the only ones who have sought to put the boot in consistently. Albeit, Stade’s Julien Dupuy is going to find himself on the wrong end of a citing commissioner before the week is out, methinks, and may not play rugby again until the 6 Nations is over, if the finding goes against him. The TV replay of him going for ‘contact with the eye area’ of Ferris was so blatant, it would put Schalk Burger to shame.
December 14th 2009 @ 11:47am
PastHisBest said | December 14th 2009 @ 11:47am | Report comment
“equally as poor as some of the defending in some S14 matches last season”
Cheapshot Pothale…
December 14th 2009 @ 10:46am
Colin N said | December 14th 2009 @ 10:46am | Report comment
“All these try-fest matches have had a common denominator: abject defending. Leinster and Ospreys yesterday, Sale and Clermont today – all made to look good by comically bad tackling.”
I don’t think Sale benefited from bad tackling necessarily (it was the only game I saw in full of those you are talking about). The first was from a high-ball where Sale exploited the numbers. The second came from a huge hole in the Quins defence, but bad tackling? Not really. The third was hugely lucky, but it wasn’t becaus of poor tackling. Their final try was similar to the first, exploiting the overlap.
December 14th 2009 @ 10:53am
Viscount Crouchback said | December 14th 2009 @ 10:53am | Report comment
I’m talking about bad defence generally. A centre losing the plot positionally and failing even to get near his opposite number is as bad as a missed tackle in my book.
December 14th 2009 @ 11:32am
Colin N said | December 14th 2009 @ 11:32am | Report comment
But you could also praise Thomas for the timing of the pass and also in Sale’s second try, it was instigated by Peel spotting a chance to draw his man use the forwards to make ground. It then left an opportunity for Sale to exploit. It showed intelligence and ambition, something that has been lacking from Sale’s play this year.
Quins could have scored more tries had it not been for excellent Sale defence. Their second was superbly worked, not just the last phase, but also leading up to that – making ground, getting quick ball and then eventually exploiting the short-side.
December 14th 2009 @ 11:41am
Viscount Crouchback said | December 14th 2009 @ 11:41am | Report comment
Fair points.
December 14th 2009 @ 9:21am
Temba said | December 14th 2009 @ 9:21am | Report comment
They must be playing under the ELV up north…
December 14th 2009 @ 10:11am
pothale said | December 14th 2009 @ 10:11am | Report comment
NLVs – Temba.
December 14th 2009 @ 10:18am
Temba said | December 14th 2009 @ 10:18am | Report comment
Pothale do you recall the final score and tri taly of the Super 14 final?
I am with you though, rule changing will not change the mindset of coaches and players.
December 14th 2009 @ 10:26am
pothale said | December 14th 2009 @ 10:26am | Report comment
I do, Temba. A one-sided slaughter to the Bulls which I found somewhat dismaying for a premier cup competition.
Do you think it will be the same this coming year from the Bulls?
December 14th 2009 @ 10:41am
Temba said | December 14th 2009 @ 10:41am | Report comment
A Bulls fan I am but these days defending the S14 is hard. I think the Warathas and the Stormers will make a massive change this year. Plus I think they will do it running the ball.
I am going on gut here but I think you will see one of the best s14 in 2010.
My semi picks are
1. Stormers
Vs
2. Crusaders
3. Warathas
Vs.
4. Hurricanes/Bulls
5. Bulls/Hurricanes
6. Force
And so on for the rest
December 14th 2009 @ 11:28am
Hayden said | December 14th 2009 @ 11:28am | Report comment
Temba – it’s hard to look past the Crusaders and Bulls for the final. Carter back will be a huge difference, and the Bulls will / should strangle all before them. I am not sure what is more frustrating – being a Blues fan [ me ] or a Hurricanes sufferer. Although I have a mate from SA who is a Stormers man, and he tells me that is worse.
December 14th 2009 @ 11:52am
PastHisBest said | December 14th 2009 @ 11:52am | Report comment
‘Canes definitely Hayden….
December 14th 2009 @ 11:58am
Who Needs Melon said | December 14th 2009 @ 11:58am | Report comment
Temba showing enormous guts making S14 calls this far ahead of the season!
December 14th 2009 @ 1:40pm
Harry said | December 14th 2009 @ 1:40pm | Report comment
Hayden and PastHIsBest – try supporting Queensland this decade, after having one of the finest provincial sides in the world through the 80′s and 90′s.
December 14th 2009 @ 2:19pm
Justin said | December 14th 2009 @ 2:19pm | Report comment
No Brumbies in the top 6 Temba! They have a hell of a squad next year. Think they are big contenders…
December 14th 2009 @ 11:38am
pothale said | December 14th 2009 @ 11:38am | Report comment
Do the Bulls have the same line-up available to them this season? I know Habana is gone, are there others who have fallen by the wayside?
December 14th 2009 @ 12:18pm
Temba said | December 14th 2009 @ 12:18pm | Report comment
The bulls have the same line up (without Habs) but most of all they have exceptional depth. I am not even doubting for a second they have a player waiting with just as much talent as Habanna, of course without the experience.
What scared me is watching guys like Botha, Matfield and Du Preez towards the end of the season… the lacked a bit of stamina and mental toughness. Unfortunately I think they are going to rely on the kick chase and rolling maul again in 2010. I think that plan will work if they make the finals but with the S14 even closer next year it will be the teams that run in tri’s that will make the Semi’s.
Stormers have had a massive break and building a formidable team led by Rassie… watch this space.
Warathas have the best scrum and now building on their back line too… If anyone is going start playing running rugby again it will be the Aussies… Sorry Pothale
I can hope the bulls win it but for the sake of S14 I hope one of the Aussie teams or a brand new champion. Ie Canes, Stormers or Cheetahs (not going to happen)
Then again 2011 my new team joins from Melbourne, can you imagine if they win it their first year? Sign a Hollywood move deal staring Matt Damon.
December 14th 2009 @ 11:40am
Viscount Crouchback said | December 14th 2009 @ 11:40am | Report comment
Indeed, Pothale. Dupuy’s behaviour and demeanour throughout the match was quite outrageous. I fear that being surrounded by fellow Frenchmen does nothing for his temperament. He seemed much more focused and resilient when surrounded by English yeomen at Leicester last season. Incidentally, Paul Ackford’s article on the French mindset is well worth a read. Apparently they all live in fear of the club “patron” and show a quite Teutonic reverence for orders from above. The “joue, joue” approach is but a myth, it seems.
December 14th 2009 @ 12:00pm
pothale said | December 14th 2009 @ 12:00pm | Report comment
I read that, VC. Was astonished at its content and conclusions from his conversations with the French ‘mole’. I’m trying to reconcile the hitlerian ‘patron’ edicts with the chaos and brilliance that alternately appear on French pitches. Perhaps these diktats are more prevalent in the Top 14, and the coaches are left to fend for themselves in the H Cup (since it is not so important to the patron?).
December 14th 2009 @ 9:39pm
Parisien said | December 14th 2009 @ 9:39pm | Report comment
VC, Pothale!
I hadn’t read the Ackford article and was surprised to hear about it and the conclusions you revealed to us here at the Roar, so went and found it.
What an appalling and poorly written shabby little article based on one “secret” insider Englishman’s views while working somewhere in France! As a conclusion drawn from one unnamed man’s unsubstantiated assertions, it is “maddeningly” stereotypical and caricatural, and an indictment on Ackford and The Telegraph!
I’m very surprised you both mentioned it, given that you both normally have interesting and well-argued views to impart. But then you mention “teutonic” and “hitlerian”, so perhaps you are fans of the Ackford style? I sincerely hope not, as this kind of article does no service to rugby, or information for that matter.
Here is the article in its entirety so everyone can see just how weak it is:
“Apparently, all is not what it seems in French rugby. According to one insider working in that country, the notion of French sides as liberated, free-flowing, make it up as you go along outfits is as far from the truth as it is possible to get.
I know. I have bought into that stereotype too. Yet the reality is that the French love structure, love being told what to do and when to do it. “You have to be dictatorial if you want to get on,” says my mole. “They want a le patron who puts them in front of the video and humiliates them. If you try to initiate a discussion and give them some responsibility for originating strategy, they won’t listen to each other and start arguing amongst themselves.”
We’re not talking small fry here either. Many of the Top 14 sides, including Biarritz, Perpignan and Montauban, are said to prefer the prescriptive approach. “It goes way beyond anything I’ve ever come across,” reveals my man. “In the UK we tend to encourage players to analyse teams and devise ways to nullify opponents. The culture is collaborative. In France the opposite is true. They do not believe in the concept of a number of leaders throughout a team, and even the captain is marginalized. Players would be genuinely shocked if a coach discussed selection issues with the captain.”
Yet all is not bleak. Despite still being some way adrift in areas such as physical conditioning and medical back-up, the quality of the playing pool is high. “There’s massive potential in French club rugby,” discloses my source, “most of it untapped.”
An assortment of strait-jacketed artists? That’s presumably the reason why French rugby remains so maddeningly inconsistent.”
December 15th 2009 @ 10:45am
pothale said | December 15th 2009 @ 10:45am | Report comment
Touched a little raw nerve, perhaps, Parisien?
December 15th 2009 @ 10:23pm
Parisien said | December 15th 2009 @ 10:23pm | Report comment
Not at all Pothale. As I say above, I just thought the Ackford “article” was really bad, and was surprised you and VC both cite it.
I suspect that Ackford had nothing to write that week so dashed it off sloppily – his conclusion was so stereotyped. but hey, there’s the Telegraph for you. It could have been an article on wine, food, travel, the Greeks, anything really, but with no fact or content. Give the readers what they want.
I’m not French, so there is no raw nerve to touch, I just dislike poor journalism and am amazed how much it still influences people and their judgement.
Imagine if some English paper ran an article on Irish rugby with similar dubious claims, all coming from some “mole” working in Ireland, and as a result readers form a misinformed viewpoint about Irish rugby, but that suits their prejudice…
Ah, newspapers can be disappointing! I mean, we already have blogs for viewpoints, opinions, hearsay, and prejudice …OOPS!
By the way, I thought your article title should read :
THE SOUTHERN TEAMS HAVE GONE , ITS RAINING AGAIN.
December 16th 2009 @ 12:18am
pothale said | December 16th 2009 @ 12:18am | Report comment
Funnily enough, it has stopped raining in Ireland after a deluge of it in November. But I’m not attaching any significance to the presence of SH teams for that.
I didn’t cite the article per se. I was responding to VC bringing it up. It is minor fluff in the context of the wider point about behaviour of Dupuy in the match. He and abboud have both been cited for their alleged offences of gouging. Will be interested to see the findings. Did you see the pictures? If Abboud is indentifiable from the photographer’s still of putting his finger into Ferris’ eye, then he’s a goner. Dupuy’s apparent double attempt on the same player which seem to be more about scratching his face/eye area, will perhaps be viewed more leniently.
Year-long bans are being talked about.
December 16th 2009 @ 1:00am
Colin N said | December 16th 2009 @ 1:00am | Report comment
Here’s the footage of Dupuy. It looks pretty conclusive to me. What made it worse was Dupuy apparently said to Ferris “I didn’t do anything.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/irish/8412715.stm
This is the picture of the other one.
December 16th 2009 @ 7:18am
Parisien said | December 16th 2009 @ 7:18am | Report comment
Its not raining here now, Pothale, its snowing! Freezing!
re: the gouging, thanks for the images Colin. Dupuy’s offence looks worse because its deliberate, especially the second attempt, whereas the other one (Abboud?), looks physically worse, but perhaps unintentional given his own head is buried deep in a ruck and his finger is gouging via another player’s jersey. He must have been going on feel…
December 16th 2009 @ 1:25am
Viscount Crouchback said | December 16th 2009 @ 1:25am | Report comment
Parisien – You’re being a tad hysterical, if you don’t mind me saying. I really don’t think Ackford made the story up, nor do I doubt that his “mole” – Iain Balshaw, perhaps? – was speaking the truth as he saw it. None of us have been inside a French dressing room, so we can’t really judge the accuracy of the article, but I can say that the bit about French players losing the plot and pointing fingers at one another after defeats has been repeated elsewhere by none other than Ewan McKenzie (who ought to know).
I’m not a great fan of Ackford’s journalism, but I think it’s fair to claim that there is a fundamental weakness in the French sporting psyche. Their glorious depth of talent has produced meagre returns in the past decade.
December 16th 2009 @ 7:43am
Parisien said | December 16th 2009 @ 7:43am | Report comment
My dear Viscount old fruit, a tad hysterical? Moi? Why indeed, I do mind you saying so, velly velly much. Hysterical you say, hysterical, HYSTERICAL?!! aaaahhaahhh, ggnnaaaoouueeiiiiiii
I done gone an killed a man for less.
Dreadfully sorry, mixing my accents again. I’m calm again.
Its nice to think Ackford’s mole really exists, but on which part of his anatomy I ask? I have been inside a French dressing room and can judge on the accuracy of the article, and I think its full of s… I’ve played here and witnessed it first hand. There are many criticisms one can make, but Ackford’s mole’s are off the mark. All to sell copy like I said to Pothale.
As for Ewen McKenzie, you can read elsewhere what I think of him, his reputation is shot in this town.
Finally, yes, I agree, there is a fundamental weakness in the French sporting psyche despite their glorious depth of talent, and this is why I love them so much. They caused some of the most exciting upsets in the last twenty years and I’d lose interest in rugby if it wasn’t for them.
Meagre returns? I think they’ve done pretty damn well apart the last two years which were largely experimental. But who cares, vive le beau rugby! Merde, s’il y a un coup à tenter, comptez sur les français!
December 14th 2009 @ 11:45am
PastHisBest said | December 14th 2009 @ 11:45am | Report comment
Thanks for the update Pothale. Always informative.
December 14th 2009 @ 7:40pm
AndyS said | December 14th 2009 @ 7:40pm | Report comment
So I take it that wasn’t your original title, if you are opening a “hooray, it’s raining tries again” article with Perpignan scoring three but being denied by seven penalties and a drop goal. Irony much?
December 15th 2009 @ 1:16am
pothale said | December 15th 2009 @ 1:16am | Report comment
No I opened the article with defense-minded test play has gone for the year, and club sides descend into scoring tries again – 58 of them.
Do pay attention, Andy. tsk, tsk.
December 15th 2009 @ 8:07pm
sledgeandhammer said | December 15th 2009 @ 8:07pm | Report comment
When looking at teams playing with positive intent, I think we need to go back to the last couple of games from the Autumn tours. I refer of course to NZ vs France, Australia vs Wales, and of course the Barbarians game. Let’s home this is real sign of change, who knows perhaps the public outcry against boring rugby has touched a raw nerve amongst the players and coaches! Unlikely, but seems change is in the air.