Picking a Wallaby side of the decade
By Hoy, 15 Dec 2009 Hoy is a Roar Rookie
Coming to the end of this year, can only mean one thing to all those who argue long and hard over anything: a team of the decade!
For some reason, one has already been named – in 2005 (based on the first ten years of professionalism apparently), but I would like to go for the actual decade.
What an ordinary decade we have had, really.
Some great years at the beginning of the decade, followed by some pretty poor years at the middle to back-end. We are showing irregular glimpses of greatness, with more regular glimpses of incompetence.
Now how to pick your team? Do you pick purely on the number of caps? Do you pick your favourite player? Do you stay a little impartial at all? Do you pick players based on single stunning displays?
I like my sentimental favourites.
Does that make it a “favourite team of the decade” rather than “team of the decade”?
Anyway, here goes my team:
1. Benn Robinson
Sentimental favourite for prop, in a decade where, let’s face it, for the better part of the decade we have had a terrible scrum. His work this year has been awesome, and I feel he is hard done by not being recognized more for it.
2. Stephen Moore
Has been involved in the Wallabies since 2005. It was sheer weight of caps that got him here on my list. I like Tatafu more, for his robust game. But Moore has to start in my team.
3. Benn Alexander
Again, with the less than impressive scrum we have had to put up with for most of the decade, this bloke and the number one, have done an immense job in turning it around now. In fact, this bloke moreso, as he switched from Open side to Tighthead to become an integral part of the current team.
4. James Horwill
While some people might question this selection, I back it. I like how Horwill plays, even this year when he was down on form a little. He plays tight, and does the hard yards as a secondrower should. But oddly, he seems to pop up where needed to receive the crucial last pass to score out wide as well.
5. John Eales
I don’t care how many games this bloke has missed through retirement this decade. He is an automatic selection in my team.
6. Owen Finnegan
This one was a hard decision, but Melon provided everything you could want from a blindside flanker. He was tough, hard, and dirty. We complain a lot about the Saffas being dirty, but we all wish we had one of their enforcers. Finnegan was that enforcer for us. Elsom can sit on the bench behind this bloke, but if he plays well when given the opportunity, anything can happen.
7. George Smith
Simply a weight of caps here. This bloke debuted in 2000 and has played 100+ tests this decade. I must say, I toyed with the selection of David Wilson, a long held favourite of mine. Perhaps he will make the bench.
8. Toutai Kefu
This bloke was almost everything a number 8 should be, although I didn’t see too much of the drop-kicking skills held by ZinZan Brooke. I will forever remember the Irish hard man Trevor Brennan coming off second best in an altercation during the WC in ’99.
9. Wil Genia
Should have been Gregan, but I can’t bring myself to pick him as his final years stick in the memory banks more so than his earlier games. I like how Genia plays. Good passing, good running, very strong in contact. Hopefully he can carry this year’s play, and make my next decade’s team as well.
10. Stephen Larkham
There are three walk-up starts to my team, and this bloke is one. If Nobody was perfect, then this bloke is Nobody’s shadow. Jeez, he was great to watch. Slight, yet physical, deceptively fast with ball in hand, solid kicking game. He was fantastic in every aspect, and really embraced all that is running rugby.
11. Joe Roff
This bloke’s skills were silky. Big boot, good catcher, good passer, big fella. He could have played several positions, really, but was lucky enough to be on the end of a great backline. Plus, I think he still holds the record for most consecutive games for the Wallabies.
12. Matt Giteau
Calls for this bloke to go back to 12 are simply for the reason that he is a better 12 than 10. He can sniff a line break or try from anywhere, anyway, and the extra space out wide only helps him.
13. Stirling Mortlock
Can’t go past this bloke’s dominance at 13 this decade. Simple as that.
14. Ben Tune
Another sentimental favourite. People will undoubtedly call for Lote. However, I was never a fan of Lote Tuquiri. And was he really that good?
15. Chris Latham
I like Matt Burke, but Latham could do some freaky things. The try against Wales, when there were two blokes pushing him out, and he just kept powering forward towards the line? Amazing. Big kick, solid defense, great running.
So there it is. My starting favourite team of the decade.
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Jack Armstrong said | December 15th 2009 @ 6:33am | Report comment
Good Post Hoy – If Burke hadn’t zapped his shoulder he might have surplanted Latho at 15. Can’t agree with Horwill. I think Vickerman instead. Definitely Roff although I kind of think there might be some naysayers there. Tune was dynamic, while Lote, playing union, was just a good finisher. We haven’t seen enough of Giteau as an international center to give him the nod, but on the 5/8 level, Bernie scores a nine and Gits a five.
Maddog said | December 15th 2009 @ 8:30am | Report comment
Hoy,
For the most part mate I agree with your selections. You have done a great job and for true rugby fans, it is hard to argue with any of your selections…well with the exception of James Horwill at Lock. You have no room for Dan Vickerman? Dan single handedly (okay with some help from Justin Harrison) transformed the Australian lineout to what probably was the best lineout in the world early this decade. Add to this his uncompromising play that inspired everyone he played with and his no nonsense attitude. He did everything for the team and there were no on field behaviour issues either.
Howrill is a good player, but not close to the league of Vickerman…and if his form on the weekend with Cambridge is any indication, we would be lucky to have him back.
Hoy said | December 15th 2009 @ 9:13am | Report comment
I knew noone would like my selection of Horwill, however to be honest, I racked my brain thinking of another second rower to complement Eales and Vickerman didn’t even occur to me.
I guess I look back and think of Vickerman, to me he was in and out of the team due to selection and injury, and I could never really see him as a great player that stood out. That was just my take on things.
Vickerman played 52 tests for Australia? Horwill has already played 24, and looks like he could go further. I picked Horwill for what I see he could be and that is where the criteria for selection get a bit blurred. I like Horwill and how he plays, and if he gets a good regular second row partner that can stick with him, we could go back to having a premier second row again, something we haven’t had for years.
Maddog said | December 15th 2009 @ 9:16am | Report comment
True…Howill does have a lot of potential, so perhaps we will see him in the team of next decade?
Howi said | December 15th 2009 @ 2:03pm | Report comment
Harrison was no slouch. He pulled off a miracle play that handed the Wallabies the Lions Series in 2001. Maybe for that alone he should be there?!
crashy said | December 15th 2009 @ 9:23am | Report comment
yep agree with you Maddog and Hoy.
I saw some old footage of Nathan Grey which reminded me of how hard he used to tackle and hit the line. Tatafu PN could be on there if he sorts his lineout throwing out.
Bay35Pablo said | December 15th 2009 @ 9:47am | Report comment
Agree with most of that except:
Jeremy Paul (72 tests!) over Moore.
I’ll give you Alexander, but only because there haven’t really been any outstanding tightheads I can think of over the last 10 years, they have all tended to be decent but not great.
I’d take Vickerman, Harrison or Giffin over Horwill.
Genia is too early on. Much as I hate to say it, I’d pick Gregan is his earlier years (pre about 2003).
Given Horan played until 2000, he squeaks into this decade, but I’ll give you Giteau as he dominated this decade, but Horan was still considered!!!
Bench:
Moore
Elsom
Tuqiri
Latham
etc, etc
Burke over Latham
Hoy said | December 15th 2009 @ 10:32am | Report comment
I actually thought Horan retired after 99, but had I known he played any Wallabies games in 2000 I would have picked him in a heartbeat. Kicking myself for not remembering that at all.
sheek said | December 15th 2009 @ 6:07pm | Report comment
Horan only played the first test of 2000, quitting with an injured heal & promply retiring.
Whether one test in 2000 qualifies him for the period is debatable. Well, I’d say he doesn’t qualify…..
Seiran said | December 16th 2009 @ 12:09am | Report comment
Jeremy Paul was a shocker.
Mike said | December 16th 2009 @ 10:51am | Report comment
Richard Harry!
Brett McKay said | December 15th 2009 @ 10:58am | Report comment
Hoy, I think the main omissions have been covered off, and even if you stick to your guns and leave Gregan and Vickerman out, how good would it be to see the XV you’ve named running around…
Harry said | December 15th 2009 @ 11:02am | Report comment
Of the top of my head the 2001 side that beat the Lions and won the 3N and Bledislow was Burke (latham was in the 1st Lions test though), Roff, Herbert, Grey, Mortlock/Walker, Flately/Larkham (Larkham injury prone even then), Gregan, Kefu, Smith, Finegan, Eales, Harrison, Stiles, Paul, Moore.
Clearly the best team of the decade IMO… and the record/results show that as well.
Changes to that lineup for the team of the dacade:
MAYBE: Latham instead of Burke, Mortlock instead of Herbert/ so Turquii onto the wing, Gits instead of Grey, Vickerman instead of Harrison, Darwin instead of Moore, Elsom insteand of Finegan. But all debatable and I point out (see below) the paucity of actual achievement/trophies won in the Wallaby jersey by the likes of Giteau, Elsom and Vickerman.
Only ONE DEFINITE: Robinson for Stiles.
So: Burke, Roff, Mortlock, Giteau, Turquiri, Larkham, Gregan, Kefu, Finegan, Smith, Harrison, Eales, Rod Moore, Paul, Robinson.
No doubt Gregan stayed too long and became a liability, but his performances from 2000 to 2005 were magnificent and can’t be forgotten. Incidentially I think IF Larkham could have stayed fit for 2007, then him and Gregan may well have taken Australia far deeper into the 07 WC then the dismal Quarter final exit.
The only things the Wallabies have done of note since the 03 Final is some good wins against the Poms at Twickenham, spanking them in Brissy 50 something zip when they still had the RWC 03 winners aura, and, the biggest acheivement, keeping more or less equal with South Africa (including walloping them in Brissy 49-0 in 06 and this year’s very fine win). But very lean times at both test level and S14 level since the Brumbies 04 wins.
Hopefully a better decade looming!
Who Needs Melon said | December 15th 2009 @ 11:55am | Report comment
I note that by far the majority of them are NOT in the current team. And some of those that ARE in the current team are dubious selections (Sorry Hoy) – i.e. Genia and Horwill?
I don’t think you’ve been too sentimental nor viewed some former players through rose-coloured glasses. I think you’ve just highlighted that we were a much better team at the start of the decade than at the end.
PS. On another forum I voted for Elsom over Finegan just on the basis of the much greater number of games Elsom has played relative to Finegan… but I think you have made me regret my treasonous behaviour and I once again renew my search for Australias next Owen Finegan. I was hoping it would be Horwill but… alas, no.
Bay35Pablo said | December 15th 2009 @ 12:28pm | Report comment
Who Needs Melon (or should that be Who Needs Finegan?),
Finegan was mint. Like mint with extra mint and mint on top. Mongerel personified in a back rower. Sometimes I forget how good he was, until I realise really Elsom is probably the closest we have had to him since he quit. Then I remember Finegan was (IMHO) even better than Elsom, although Elsom could still potentially improve and get even better.
I would have Finegan in the Wallaby team of the 20th century. At least on the bench.
Peter K said | December 15th 2009 @ 12:11pm | Report comment
Jeremy Paul easily over Moore.
Vickerman easily better than Horwill.
Gregan was a spent force after 1999 so Genia will do.
Roff is overrated. He was good at running into space but lacked genuine pace, and worse defence than Campese.
He was not physical he avoided contact so if caught was easily tackled and only used arms in tackles like a turnstile.
My choice would be Matt Burke, far faster, great defender, also would be the goalkicker for the team, yes he played F/B most of the time but did have a couple of games at wing which qualifies him.
Alexander shows how thin out tighthead stocks have been since Andrew Blades.
Bay35Pablo said | December 15th 2009 @ 12:29pm | Report comment
Peter K, agreed Blades was the last really good or great tightie we have had.
Bring back blokes you could use as building foundations!!! We need the other half of the matching pair for Fat Cat!!!
Who Needs Melon said | December 15th 2009 @ 12:14pm | Report comment
PPS. I vividly remember that Latham try you mentioned. It seemed to defy physics and provided a stark contrast to guys like Tuqiri who, despite being bigger(?) than Latham, seemed to fall over even if tapped lightly on the hip by the tiniest halfback when a metre from the line.
If you look “finisher” up in the dictionary you will find the same picture as included with this arcticle. Something we seem to be missing recently.
Hoy said | December 15th 2009 @ 12:33pm | Report comment
Sorry, I have just tried to find the try, and while his try against Wales was bloody good, it was the one against the Highlanders that was incredible. I got them mixed up.
Funny how my minds plays tricks…
Bay35Pablo said | December 15th 2009 @ 12:44pm | Report comment
Actually, interesting comparing this with the Wallabies team of the first 10 years of professional rugby in 2005. main difference is the front 3.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wallaby_Team_of_the_Decade
1. Richard Harry
2. Phil Kearns
3. Andrew Blades
4. David Giffin
5. John Eales (c)
6. Owen Finegan
8. Toutai Kefu
7. George Smith
9. George Gregan
10. Stephen Larkham
11. Joe Roff
12. Tim Horan
13. Jason Little
14. Ben Tune
15. Matthew Burke
Reserves: 16. Jeremy Paul, 17. Dan Crowley, 18. Nathan Sharpe, 19. Phil Waugh, 20. Chris Whitaker, 21. Dan Herbert, 22. Lote Tuqiri
Coach: Rod Macqueen