Any AFL club on the slide in 2010 can expect the rebound to be painfully slow. The league’s main levers to help strugglers – the salary cap and the draft – will be blunted as new clubs Gold Coast and Western Sydney make their entrance.
With the bulk of early national draft picks to go to Gold Coast in November 2010 and Western Sydney a year later, a youth-led rebuild will be a severely compromised strategy.
Similarly, underperforming clubs’ ability to use salary cap space to lure established players from stronger rivals will decrease.
The two new clubs will hold all the cards in that respect, with each having $1 million more than anyone else to pay players in their inaugural year.
It is not just clubs near the bottom of the ladder, or headed that way, that have cause for concern.
In each of the next three post-seasons, one of the newcomers will have the AFL-given right to poach uncontracted players from their established rivals, with young stars the obvious targets.
So, how well is each existing club placed to weather the storm?
ADELAIDE
Under Neil Craig, the Crows have never been far from the top of the ladder, reaching finals in each of his five full seasons. But they keep coming up short at the business end, a semi-final loss this season suggesting a lot of work remains for an elusive flag. They have some promising young players, although the loss of one of those, Andy Otten, for all of 2010 with a knee injury will hurt. Of greater concern is that core players Andrew McLeod, Tyson Edwards, Brett Burton and Simon Goodwin are all nearing the end. All have been kept on for next season, which should help Adelaide reach finals again in 2010. But preparing for life beyond that star quartet will be difficult.
BRISBANE
Rather than bulk up on youth, the Lions have recruited with the short term in mind, presumably to make the most of having triple-premiership veterans Simon Black and Luke Power still around to deliver the ball to power forward Jonathan Brown. Recruiting Coleman Medallist Brendan Fevola will make for some formidable scoring power. It will also help the Lions’ position themselves as Queensland’s glamour team ahead of the Gold Coast’s arrival on the scene to split the market. But with Fevola among a host of experienced recruits, it is a risky strategy for a club that made the finals for the first time in five years this season and just scraped through to the second week.
CARLTON
The Blues took a big step in 2009, playing finals for the first time in eight years, but backing it up will be tough. Fevola’s exit leaves a huge hole. They also lost Nick Stevens to an injury-forced retirement. The good news is that their list is very young – even moreso after those departures – and the future looks very bright. Heath Scotland is Carlton’s only player older than 27. Brock McLean, from Melbourne, joins the likes of Marc Murphy and Bryce Gibbs in a potent, emerging midfield group. The ruck contingent is similarly exciting, with Robert Warnock, prevented by injury from playing in his first year at the Blues in 2009, to complement Matthew Kreuzer and Shaun Hampson. Carlton also have salary cap space to ward off poaching.
COLLINGWOOD
A preliminary final appearance in 2009 suggests the Magpies are in flag contention and so does their recruiting strategy, having given up their first draft pick for experienced ruckman Darren Jolly and their next on midfielder Luke Ball. The question is whether it will be enough to bridge the gap to Geelong, St Kilda and the Western Bulldogs. Ball will add useful midfield grunt, but the Magpies’ lack of key forward support for Travis Cloke was shown up in a big preliminary final loss to the Cats. Perhaps Jolly’s arrival will allow ruckman Josh Fraser to spend more time forward as one solution. Their other worry is that their oldest player, key defender Simon Prestigiacomo, remains crucial, but is approaching the end.
ESSENDON
The Bombers face a challenging 2010, having lost a heap of experience in key positions, with Matthew Lloyd, Scott Lucas and Adam McPhee all leaving. They have also lost their most explosive midfielder, Andy Lovett joining St Kilda. Essendon will rely heavily on a promising but inexperienced group of talls in Michael Hurley, Jay Neagle, Scott Gumbleton, Tayte Pears and Cale Hooker. Evergreen defender Dustin Fletcher, the league’s oldest man, can pitch in for at least one more year. At least athletic young ruckman Paddy Ryder should be helped by the return of experienced David Hille from injury. But after scraping into the finals this year, it will be a hard act to follow.
FREMANTLE
The Dockers had the excuse of blooding an enormous amount of youth to explain yet another season nowhere near finals contention in 2009. But that alibi can only last Mark Harvey so long and he will head into 2010 as the coach under most pressure. Fremantle have trumpeted their recruitment of experienced utility McPhee, but adding an older player could be used as another stick to beat them with if they do not win more games. He adds to the Dockers’ status as a home for former Bombers, joining coach Harvey, assistant Dean Wallis and players Dean Solomon and Kepler Bradley. In general, the youth of their list suggests they are well braced for the coming draft drought, but only if the youngsters deliver as hoped.
GEELONG
Two premierships and another grand final in the past three years suggest the Cats do not have too many worries, but the coming year will have its hurdles. Captain Tom Harley, whose leadership has been crucial to their climb to power, has retired, with his captaincy to be missed as much as his reliability and versatility in defence. The loss of young ruckman Shane Mumford is also significant. Key players Darren Milburn, Cameron Mooney and Matthew Scarlett are all among the club’s oldest and the recent success has meant limited chances for youngsters to gain experience. Another issue will be young superstars Gary Ablett and Joel Selwood having their loyalty tested by expected massive offers from the Gold Coast in 2010 and Western Sydney after that.
HAWTHORN
The loss of big man Robert Campbell to injury-induced premature retirement, and fellow ruckman Max Bailey for 2010 with a third major knee injury in his young career are big blows. Premiership fullback Trent Croad’s future also remains clouded, having not played since the 2008 grand final because of a foot injury. On the plus side, they have snared backman Josh Gibson from North Melbourne to help counter Croad’s absence, while ex-Port Adelaide gun Shaun Burgoyne will be a huge midfield asset. The drafting of quick half-forward Rhan Hooper, whose questionable attitude caused Brisbane to cut him, adds to the sense they are loading up for another serious flag tilt. And the overall youth of their list means they should be around the mark for some years yet.
MELBOURNE
The Demons had consecutive years of dismal performances just in time, picking up the top draft pick in 2008 and top two in 2009. If a club performs similarly over the coming two years, their reward will not be nearly so sweet. The man most under pressure is possibly recruiting boss Barry Prendergast, as the club’s future rests heavily on their draft booty of the past two years meeting huge expectations. It will be a slow build for the Demons, but fans should have some excitement watching the youngsters develop and enjoying the flair of indigenous forwards, Liam Jurrah, who made a stunning impression in his debut 2009 season, and Austin Wonaeamirri, who added plenty of spark in 2008, before having this year wiped out by injury.
NORTH MELBOURNE
The Kangaroos have some exciting young players, notably midfielders Jack Ziebell, Liam Anthony and best and fairest Andrew Swallow, and an enviable array of ruck options – Hamish McIntosh, David Hale, Todd Goldstein and the versatile Drew Petrie. But they also have some serious concerns. They were deserted by two players they would have loved to keep, Gibson and the very talented but injury-prone youngster Jesse Smith. They also lost stalwart Adam Simpson to retirement. Adding to the perception that Arden St was not the place most wanted to be – despite a top-class new training facility – their first choice as coach Nathan Buckley preferred a succession plan at Collingwood and another candidate John Longmire chose a similar arrangement at Sydney, leaving former Brisbane enforcer Brad Scott to fill what could be a tough job.
PORT ADELAIDE
Struggles to draw crowds have hit the Power’s finances hard and their inconsistent on-field showings have not helped, with a disturbing drop since they played in a grand final just two years ago. It will be even tougher to regain ground now, having lost a ton of talent and experience, with the retirements of Brendon Lade and Peter Burgoyne and the trading away of Shaun Burgoyne, at the player’s instigation. The coaching set-up has also been transformed. Coach Mark Williams was reappointed, despite murmurings that he had reached his use-by date with the club. But Dean Laidley and Garry Hocking come in as assistants.
RICHMOND
The question that has been hovering over the Tigers like a dark shadow is about to be answered – how can they cope without Richo? Apart from being a standout in a struggling side, star forward Matthew Richardson has also ensured long-suffering fans have at least had something to enjoy. He is far from the only departure, in a huge cleanout that has seen the exit of Kane Johnson, Joel Bowden and Nathan Brown, plus a host of lesser lights. The Tigers turned heavily towards youth with seven national draft picks. But the downside of not having been quite as bad as Melbourne is that they did not get quite the same access to top-end picks. It means new coach Damien Hardwick takes over a team that should gradually improve, but still looks vulnerable in the ruck and key forward departments.
ST KILDA
The Saints are coming off a year which delivered everything but a premiership, and even that was only a few straight kicks away from being realised. But the Saints have set about improving their list further for 2010 to ensure they can overtake Geelong and add to the club’s sole 1966 flag. First, they added speedsters Andrew Lovett, from Essendon, and Brett Peake, from Fremantle, in trades. Then they drafted Jesse Smith, who could be a great pick-up if he can get fit. Their one notable loss was Ball, but they did not seem desperate to keep him, with a deep and talented midfield. With their best players all young enough to remain at their peak for several more seasons, the Saints should enter next year and beyond with every expectation of silverware.
SYDNEY
Having just missed the finals for the first time in seven years, the Swans will be hit as hard as anyone by the changing AFL landscape. They appear to be heading on a downward path at exactly the wrong time. Departing key forwards Barry Hall and Michael O’Loughlin will be missed, although youngster Jesse White has shown great promise and pre-season draft target Daniel Bradshaw will help fill the void. Similarly, Jolly’s exit will be sorely felt, even with the recruitment of other team’s fringe ruckmen Mark Seaby and Shane Mumford. Other premiership players Leo Barry, Jared Crouch and Amon Buchanan have also left, signalling the end of an era, although the positive is the return from Ireland of Tadhg Kennelly. Just as a likely on-field slide is unfortunately timed, the Swans could also feel the crunch off-field as they seek to cement support ahead of Western Sydney’s introduction.
WEST COAST
The Eagles have been in forced rebuilding mode since being rocked by the departures of former captains and premiership stars Chris Judd and Ben Cousins after the 2007 season. But they have tried to make the most of adversity, using the draft picks gained from Judd’s trade and their subsequent ladder slide to recruit a crop of players they hope can deliver their next successful era. The Eagles hierarchy clearly believe they are on the right track, handing coach John Worsfold a new two-year contract late this season. The players backed that up with a fast finish to the year, blowing away suggestions of tanking by winning four of their last five matches, including surprise victories over finals-bound Essendon and the Western Bulldogs. One of the most eye-catching positives was the AFL introduction of super-athletic young ruckman Nic Naitanui, who stamped himself as a future star.
WESTERN BULLDOGS
After two narrow preliminary final losses in two seasons, anything less than a grand final appearance will be hugely disappointing for the Bulldogs next year. Their post-season underlines that ambition. Captain and club games record-holder Brad Johnson will stay on, almost certainly as leader, while fellow veterans Jason Akermanis and Nathan Eagleton have both accepted pay cuts to remain part of what they hope will be a premiership side. The one notable departure is forward Scott Welsh. But in his place, the Bulldogs picked up the recruit who could shape next year’s premiership race as much as any player in the AFL, former Sydney premiership co-captain Barry Hall. If he can keep his temper in check and stay fit, Hall will be the power forward the `Dogs have craved. As with the other league pacesetters, their young stars such as Adam Cooney and Ryan Griffen will be obvious targets for new clubs.
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December 15th 2009 @ 4:04pm
ren said | December 15th 2009 @ 4:04pm | Report comment
I felt the freo post was somewhat irrelevant to the thrust of the article. The paragraph seemed more concerned with the recruitment of mcphee and the pressure that harvey will be under this season. The only relevant line was that the FFC seems well placed with a large number of young players on the list with the correct observation that they still need to be able to play. This second part resonates with the GC and WS teams when they come in, it’s all well and good to have the cream of the U18′s but what hapens when they dont develop into the cream of the AFL. It is also neccersary for new teams to have experienced players around the younger players hence I believe that the draft picks are as much trade currency as anything else.
December 15th 2009 @ 4:23pm
Redb said | December 15th 2009 @ 4:23pm | Report comment
Good point. GC and WS will be keen on hardened players they cant play with a group of kids it needs to be a mixture. No doubt though they will keep the best.
December 15th 2009 @ 4:38pm
ren said | December 15th 2009 @ 4:38pm | Report comment
the big advantage for gc actually comes from playing a season together in the VFL. Given that they are already giving guarantees to players that they will be drafted in the top 5 (swallow), they will be able to have the core group playing together a year before anyone else. Obviously the other clubs have a bigger advantage in this regard but for some reason i still seem to see it as a bonus for th gold coast.
I would expect that all the clubs will look far more closely at the WAFL, SANFL and VFL in the next couple of seasons, indeed they are already starting too. Not too sure about the non WA sides but I know bothe WA teams have sourced a number of solid players from WAFL ranks in recent years. THe most notable being sandilands and cox neither of whom came via the draft. Priddis and Boughton are two more and Jetta, Ballantyne are both older players drafted via the WAFL. BAllantyne actually won the sandover medal for the 08 season with Peel (which makes it even more of an achievement)
December 15th 2009 @ 8:13pm
Redb said | December 15th 2009 @ 8:13pm | Report comment
it seems a few VFL players have hit the radar in the PSD.
December 15th 2009 @ 9:08pm
Justin said | December 15th 2009 @ 9:08pm | Report comment
I dont think its that big an advantage. I think it could be detrimental in some way as very very young bodies are put up against tough, bigger bodies. Injuries could be a real factor over the course of a year.
Having said that within 5 years GC should be in the top 6. If they arent then something is very wrong.
December 16th 2009 @ 5:18am
Barking Glider said | December 16th 2009 @ 5:18am | Report comment
ha! This is hilarious! “NSW is an AFL dead zone!” I thought you lot said that NSW south of Wagga was an AFL hotbed? 30 years of the Swans and nothing to show for it. Can’t wait for the GWS Lamingtons.
http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/tough-times-as-sydney-snub-states-produce-20091215-kunk.html As far as producing players goes, NSW, south of Wagga Wagga, is a dead zone. If the Swans can’t find local players, how is the new Greater Western Sydney franchise going to create an organic football culture in the land of Alan Jones, rugby league and Sheikh Hilali? Even Kevin Sheedy’s salesmanship will be tested in this barren terrain. Getting these folk to watch the game will be challenging enough. To produce players will take a very long time and a great deal of money.
December 16th 2009 @ 6:55am
Michael C said | December 16th 2009 @ 6:55am | Report comment
the dilemma here is that there’s about 50 odd NSW scholarship kids listed around the traps which severely reduces what’s available.
What has been recognised is the need for better local talent development. It’s worked in QLD and the Gold Coast, and Sydney is a couple of years behind on that program. However, most of us ‘observors’ here on theRoar thought GWS was perhaps being rushed a fraction, whilst I reckon at very least GC17 was perhaps a year or two overdue.
Is it a concern? Of course.
Are things getting put in place? Yep.
Is it a gamble? What isn’t.
Is it worth having a crack at? You’d love to think so.
December 16th 2009 @ 7:09am
Barking Glider said | December 16th 2009 @ 7:09am | Report comment
So what’s doing south of Wagga? The well has dried up?
December 16th 2009 @ 8:56am
Michael C said | December 16th 2009 @ 8:56am | Report comment
Short answer – - dunno!!
Longer answer – a lot of us are looking at NSW(ACT) and wondering just how it’s going to structure up. And how well they’ll be able to channel ‘elite’ rather than just promising talent.
The Storm have similar issues here. It’s one thing to have guys looking okay at age level competition, but, to take them to the next level ‘locally’ can be a real challenge.
December 16th 2009 @ 4:03pm
Redb said | December 16th 2009 @ 4:03pm | Report comment
feeling insecure?
having trouble sleeping at night?
December 16th 2009 @ 8:25am
Matt S said | December 16th 2009 @ 8:25am | Report comment
Must have as they’re now signing up Americans who have never played the game.
December 16th 2009 @ 12:13pm
Michael C said | December 16th 2009 @ 12:13pm | Report comment
why not? The NFL signs up Australians who have never played the game.
btw – there’s a vast difference to a full listed/contracted player vs a speculative ‘project’ player on the international rookie list…….a vast, vast difference. Not sure what Collingwood’s expectations are – - probably more just a bit of an experiment and see what happens.
December 16th 2009 @ 12:18pm
Dogs Of War said | December 16th 2009 @ 12:18pm | Report comment
It’s not as if the NFL is signing Australian’s who can play any position. Just one position, punting the ball. You can’t make any parallels with what the AFL is doing. Most sports would require someone to play the game firstly at a lower level, with no chance of being on any top squad list.
December 16th 2009 @ 12:52pm
Michael C said | December 16th 2009 @ 12:52pm | Report comment
yep -
and note, the AFL position most commonly ‘gambled’ on (I couldn’t use ‘punted’) is the Ruckman. There’s a track record of successful ‘conversions’ of guys with limited Aust Footy experience but coming from commonly basketball (plus a bit of soccer or junior footy or Union) background.
Of all the positions, this one is kinda easiest – because, the ‘contest’ get’s delivered to the player (the centre bounce in particular).
However, the development of game smarts takes more time.
December 16th 2009 @ 9:45am
cuzybros cuz said | December 16th 2009 @ 9:45am | Report comment
From todays SMH
Tough times as Sydney snub state’s produce
JAKE NIALL
December 16, 2009
NORTH MELBOURNE found room for a Sudanese-born player. Brisbane recruited a kid of Japanese extraction. Collingwood drafted a 24-year-old American basketballer who has never played a serious game of Australian football.
Five AFL clubs were willing to take the punt on Irish recruits, but when the Sydney Swans had an opportunity to pick up a NSW kid in yesterday’s rookie draft – a youngster who would cost them just north of $50,000 – they passed. The Swans couldn’t find a single kid from the nation’s most populous state good enough to justify the expense.
Sydney’s actions yesterday – they passed on four non-compulsory selections, due in large part to budgetary constraints – underscored the magnitude of what the AFL is trying to achieve on the Gold Coast and especially in greater western Sydney. The Swans re-drafted the battling aristocrat, Henry Playfair, and picked up an Irishman from County Derry, Chris McKaigue.
In a sign of what is to come, they ”upgraded” one NSW scholarship player, Nathan Gordon. But he was the end of their local content, even though they were permitted to pick another couple. And, based on what happened in 2008, one cannot blame them for the backyard neglect. None of the NSW rookies the Swans drafted that year has survived the cull.
As far as producing players goes, NSW, south of Wagga Wagga, is a dead zone. If the Swans can’t find local players, how is the new Greater Western Sydney franchise going to create an organic football culture in the land of Alan Jones, rugby league and Sheikh Hilali? Even Kevin Sheedy’s salesmanship will be tested in this barren terrain. Getting these folk to watch the game will be challenging enough. To produce players will take a very long time and a great deal of money.
The Swans are allowed extra local rookie players, and had the opportunity to draft up to seven players yesterday. But having undertaken a cost-benefit analysis of what was available, they selected only four – a sign, not simply of the dead zone of NSW, but of a lack of players everywhere. The club said that tight finances were part of the reason. ”The last NSW selection, we didn’t feel there was one that was warranted,” said Sydney recruiting manager Kinnear Beatson.
Mindful that there aren’t any decent players in NSW to draft, the Swans will attempt to manufacture players themselves. So, they are directing funds into a revamped scholarship scheme – investing about $400,000 a year – instead of picking token locals who have Buckley’s hope of making the grade.
It’s a matter of choosing. Sydney, says chief executive Andrew Ireland, would rather spend the money where they reckon there is a better prospect of success. On that basis, Ireland must reckon the country that bears his name is a better bet than NSW.
The Lions (who have similar access to extra local rookies) also passed on two selections yesterday and one can safely assume that they did so because it wasn’t worth trawling over a pool of players that had been gutted by the Gold Coast.
The decisions taken yesterday were a measure of how expansion creates problems for all clubs, which were sifting through the rear end of a draft that had been diluted by Gold Coast concessions. When expansion contracts the talent pool, clubs are forced to look outside the traditional, reliable recruiting patches.
December 16th 2009 @ 11:34am
Barking Glider said | December 16th 2009 @ 11:34am | Report comment
“As far as producing players goes, NSW, south of Wagga Wagga, is a dead zone.”
Do we think that maybe Jake Niall needs a compass?
December 16th 2009 @ 12:06pm
Michael C said | December 16th 2009 @ 12:06pm | Report comment
yeah – I’ve been trying to work out if he meant it as it is written. Because, the south of Wagga zone has been a little quite so to speak of late……but, hardly dead. North of Wagga one would assume is what he’s on about.
The thing still though is – - there’s guys missing out (on being drafted, or not given a new home) who would still be left wondering “Why not me?”.
December 16th 2009 @ 4:25pm
Redb said | December 16th 2009 @ 4:25pm | Report comment
The article is factually wrong the Swans drafted Dylan McNeil (NSW) in the rookie draft.
It also ignores the NSW scholarhsip holders that have been split between many clubs.
December 16th 2009 @ 4:06pm
Redb said | December 16th 2009 @ 4:06pm | Report comment
Tough times as Melbourne Storm snubs states produce, again!
Every year no Vic recruits, 11 years straight not one?
December 16th 2009 @ 5:08pm
Barking Glider said | December 16th 2009 @ 5:08pm | Report comment
A Victorian will captain our nation’s rugby league team when they play in Melbourne next May.
December 16th 2009 @ 6:07pm
Redb said | December 16th 2009 @ 6:07pm | Report comment
you mean the Queenslander who plays State of Origin for Queensland! – get a grip.
December 16th 2009 @ 6:43pm
Barking Glider said | December 16th 2009 @ 6:43pm | Report comment
No, no. He’s a Victorian.
He’s lived in Melbourne for a decade.
He votes in Vic state and local elections and has a Vic drivers licence.
His kids go to the local Melbourne school.
He’s been living in Melbourne longer than the celebrated Sudanese-born Victorian Majak Daw.
Cameron Smith is a Victorian.
If not, how long does have to live there until you say he’s a Victorian?
Must he wait until he’s 50? 60?
Or will he never be a Victorian no matter how long he lives there?
December 16th 2009 @ 9:42pm
Redb said | December 16th 2009 @ 9:42pm | Report comment
no he’s a Queenslander
December 16th 2009 @ 6:55pm
M1tch said | December 16th 2009 @ 6:55pm | Report comment
yawn..dont be bitter mate
December 17th 2009 @ 5:29am
Barking Glider said | December 17th 2009 @ 5:29am | Report comment
Redb. So John Farnham is a pommy. Obviously in Victoria migrants from interstate or overseas can never be accepted as Victorians or Australians. Nice.
December 16th 2009 @ 12:21pm
jimbo said | December 16th 2009 @ 12:21pm | Report comment
After the AFL has put the NRL people off side and upset the football folk, you AFL automatons have got Ben Buckley’s chance of successfully growing AFL in Sydney.
It will cointinue to decline and not only will we have nothing to do with the AFL, we will also be doing all we can to run it out of town.
Have a read of this and try somewhere else:
http://www.springerlink.com/content/p5455p7570068h60/
December 16th 2009 @ 12:33pm
Midfielder said | December 16th 2009 @ 12:33pm | Report comment
Contary to many in Sydney I think the AFL will do well and they have a 20 year plan… no different to the A-League building from the the start..
December 16th 2009 @ 12:39pm
jimbo said | December 16th 2009 @ 12:39pm | Report comment
Mid,
the AFL is not building from a start – they have been here since we stole land from the aboriginals.
150 years later, they are still trying to steal from the locals.
December 16th 2009 @ 12:52pm
Midfielder said | December 16th 2009 @ 12:52pm | Report comment
Jimbo
Cannot agree, they have never made the push they are currently under taking, it is being carfully planned… very well funded, they have a lrage local council on side..
The best option is to understand what they are doing… all we can do is build our own game, we have two maybe three assets, first is our player numbers however converting players numbers to go to matches and watch TV is still a way off, second the global nature of our game and brand Socceroo is without doubt the countries leading brand, third is because of Footballs Asia connections business & government want football to suceed however business & gove4rnment are one thing bums on seats of the population is still to be mastered..
As I said the A-League is in it’s very early stages but was built off 130 years of poor nay hopeless management… the AFL push into WS is no different, it is a new approach after years of the Swans… and like the A-League will take years to finally take root…
December 16th 2009 @ 12:58pm
Michael C said | December 16th 2009 @ 12:58pm | Report comment
Midfielder -
again, you’ve been a sober voice of reason and fairness of late. COngrats!!
You soccer folk aren’t all bad after all!!!!
(now, KB would want me to insert an emoticon about now
December 16th 2009 @ 1:11pm
Michael C said | December 16th 2009 @ 1:11pm | Report comment
btw – the story of Majak Daw is a nice one – Sudanese refugee, comes to Australia, more familiar with soccer – and his comments below illustrate the importance of having a schoolyard ‘presence’ for any sport:
Soccer had been the sport of choice for Majak but he found himself drawn to a game called Aussie rules when mucking around in the school yard.
“I used to play at lunchtime and recess at school with the kids,” he said.
“They thought I went all right and asked me to come down to training where I impressed the coaches.”
Now – being Western suburbs Melbourne – there’s no shortage of soccer opportunities, but, this kid has been drawn to a game that more appealed to him……..not a this game is better than that game – that isn’t the point……….simply, for whatever reason – certain people will just find certain games ‘fit like a glove’ whilst others don’t.
THe challenge for AFL in Sydney is obviously at a couple of levels. One is to ensure and continue to grow the exposure that school kids and juniors get and can access. The other is the ‘elite level’ team and it’s marketing and economics.
West Sydney is so vast – that, I really don’t see what RL and some soccer folk are on about……..fear perhaps?, nah, loathing perhaps? But, the AFL ain’t forcing anyone to make way and on balance is paying it’s way.
December 16th 2009 @ 2:17pm
AndyRoo said | December 16th 2009 @ 2:17pm | Report comment
The problem with West Sydney is it’s not an AFL town so your not playing against the best of the kids, their playing rugby league or football so if your really good at sport that’s where the challenge is and the rep teams to find a more appropriate level.
I am sure being a big fish in a small pond appeals to some but not the real alpha ones that you need for top level sport.
They will have to really hit up a lot of suburbs really strongly all at once to get that critical mass of numbers. It will be a slow process but I guess grow as much from Blacktown as you can.
A summer comp as well would be a good idea, I know as a kid I would never have chosen VFL over League or Football but over Cricket…. that could work.
It’s seems to work in NZ
December 17th 2009 @ 8:51am
Michael C said | December 17th 2009 @ 8:51am | Report comment
the last point you make is an important one.
The AFL has learned a few things over the last 10 years not just in Australia……but via the international experiences ……. and stuff all of those international ones were initially via official AFL action.
The increased knowledge base on how to operate as a niche, and get in a position to grow and become accessable is important.
Obviously though – in any place that the desire is to develop elite pathways……the lack of decent ovals is always an issue (unlike for soccer/rugby expansion in AFL/cricket regions). This reason alone, we AFL advocates have always acknowledged the major impediment that this presents. That’s why facilities like Blacktown are so important moving forward. You’d hope that within 5-10 years you’d see a bit of a pay off in the ‘finishing’ of talent coming through.
December 16th 2009 @ 8:45pm
jimbo said | December 16th 2009 @ 8:45pm | Report comment
Midfielder,
I know what you are saying and it will obviously take time to establish any team, but the GWS team has hundreds of millions behind it and an Australia wide marketing empire, so they’ll stick it out no matter how much money it loses, just like News Limited and the Storm in Melbourne.
But I think you are understimating the backlash to the AFL from both the Rugby League and football supporters in west Sydney.
A few people who go to AFL games in Sydney are not just displaced Victorians, they also follow league and football, like myself.
But after the way the AFL is pushing itself into other peoples territories lately and its attack on the WC bid, it has made a lot of people angry – the AFL are our worst enemy.
December 16th 2009 @ 9:23pm
Midfielder said | December 16th 2009 @ 9:23pm | Report comment
Jimbo
I guess you answered your own question with the money and management team behind it there is no way the …. SECOND SYDNEY …. team can fail… it is a second Sydney team not a WST IMO..
The positive for football is the A-League teams are being set up for almost nothing .. that is if you call 5 million dollars nothing… The 5 million covers expected losses over the first few years..
Another positive we have is the ability [ not overly used as yet] but the ability to get overseas players from Asia to help fill the gaps…Plus the youth league is developing a number of players as well…Our Australia wide focus enables most teams to have most of there player from their home cities except North Queensland.
So while the AFL in it’s current structure needs to spend heaps of coin to establish in new areas football can establish teams at very low entry cost… Asuming the TerrOR reports are correct and we are in for 60 million dollars a season from next year ..remember RL only gets 80 million … FFA will cover all wages for the youth league, W-League & A-League salary caps… The positives are 14 teams then become only a matter of time because of the ease of setup with smaller stadiums and lower running costs i.e. team sizes etc… so while the AFL builds to 18 then 20 teams football will build from 8 to 14 …
At 14 teams plus 4 Asian champion league places by 2014 IMO sets Football up well for the future… IMO football can grow to 14 teams before the AFL can grow to 20 teams … time will whether Football gets to 14 or AFL gets to 20 first … BUT if the 60 million is correct Melbourne Heart 2011, Rovers 2012, Canberra 2013, Somewhere 2014.
Essentially given its current size and stadium size use the A-League is very nimble whereas the AFL in it’s position is large and needs big things so moves slower …
I watch management in organisations … I often have to report to a client on the management ability of an organisation they seek to do business with… so I kinda carry this into sport as well and the two codes are in totally different development phases… The A-League needing time to bed down is no different to the AFL new teams… It is going to fun to watch over time …
December 17th 2009 @ 6:53am
Redb said | December 17th 2009 @ 6:53am | Report comment
Jimbo,
If you’ve been looking for a reason to spurn Aussie Rules football and no amount of reasonable argument is going to change your mind.
You are no particular loss.
The way FFA has handled the WC bid has also got AFL people angry, but we’ll get over it and move on, its only sport.
Redb
December 17th 2009 @ 8:40am
Michael C said | December 17th 2009 @ 8:40am | Report comment
somehow I gain the impression you were doing all the talking and not doing much listening.
Did you never notice : (rating each position as an attack on the WC bid)
—Demetriou has all along supported in principle the WC bid. (0/10)
—Demetriou has first rights to the MCG but has stated that he can work around up to a 10 week period without it. (0/10…….see below, and pushes it out to 10/10)
—Demetriou has stated that 16 weeks without the MCG would not be workable (1/10 – - the FFA have stressed that although they’ve formulated this option, that they don’t intend pushing ahead with it……..who do you believe……if you believe the FFA, it’s only 1/10, if you don’t believe the FFA, and assume that the $130 mill rectangularisation is very much on the table, then, oh dear, pushes the score for this up to 10/10)
—Demetriou says Docklands is off the table (1/10 – - because, in Victoria, we’ve been told including this year by State ministers, that the brand new 100% state funded Swan St Bubbledome is for Soccer World Cups and can be extended to 50,000…………..but, because the FFA have renegged on an informal agreement…….Swan St is no good??? and Docklands is on the table…..this pushes up to 10/10)
—Demetriou intends to NOT shut down for 6-8 weeks (1/10…..Buckley has stated that he believes AFL and NRL need not shut down, but, if we note that Buckley has not yet covered this topic with FIFA, and only talks of possible future discussions – - and the turn around on Docklands – - suggests the FFA imagine both AFL and NRL shutting down….suddenly, again, up to 10/10).
……..so, I score Demetriou based on us believing Ben Buckley and the FFA as being 3/50 for ‘blocking the bid’,
but if we choose to NOT believe the apparent publicly stated position of the FFA, then the score goes to 40/50.
You tell me…….which is it??? Is Demetriou blocking the bid because the FFA has not been entirely truthful? Or, is Demetriou not causing any concern at all because the MCG is needed for 10 weeks or less, the AFL and NRL can continue and the FFA is capable of working with Vic Govt to extend Swan St.
You intransigent soccer folk are the worst enemy of the bid.
btw – back in October, how did you score David GAllop when he stated “We will obviously wait until they do that, but on the face of it we couldn’t see how it would work,”…….that’d be worth a 7/10 surely??
Demetriou at the time “We haven’t yet seen a detailed explanation from the FFA as to what would be required from other major sporting organisations in Australia, so I would rather wait to see that,”……0/10, perhaps 1/10??
December 17th 2009 @ 8:52am
Redb said | December 17th 2009 @ 8:52am | Report comment
Don’t waste your breath. Jimbo is running the agenda he wanted to run all along anyway.
December 17th 2009 @ 9:01am
Michael C said | December 17th 2009 @ 9:01am | Report comment
yeah – I know,
he’s a bit like KB – - will do all within his power to avoid answering a question.
Which leads me back to assuming that he only ever approaches this topic with like minded folk who sit nodding in agreeance whilst Jimbo preaches.
December 21st 2009 @ 7:19am
chris said | December 21st 2009 @ 7:19am | Report comment
Jimbo
why are people like you angry? Is it the millions the AFL has committed to upgrading Blacktown sporting facilities? Or is it that GWS will greatly increase the use of an otherwise empty second stadium at Homebush? Or is it the additional jobs GWS will give for team physios, trainers and administrators? Or is it the chance it will give for local kids to aspire to one day play in a national competition that will take them all over the land? Or is it the joy that local kids will get from playing aussie rules in local competitions that feed into GWS junior development programs?
Wailing about the AFL ‘empire’ pushing “into other people’s territory” makes no sense. The AFL is just doing what many businesses and many sports have done – they are expanding to new markets. You’re not going to be forced to go to a GWS game or to watch them on TV – so please no more tears. Just don’t watch them!!