nice blog site. Your views as a moderate are to be applauded.

cheers
Redb

End of season figures vs end of season figures is the way to go.

No doubt their has been a dip but like Ernie Merrick says “nothing grows along a gradient”

We have gone from 6/8 teams being in capitals to 6/10 being in capitals and thier are very obvious factors for Roar and the Jets decline as well as GCU being a non event.

% wise so far this year: (year on year figures to Rnd 18 – noting of course this season will progress longer and allows 60% entry into finals vs 50%)
UP:
PG +22%
AdUtd + 12%
WPx +5%

Down:
SFC -8%
MVFC -17%
CCM -21%
Bris -27%
NJs -43%

comparing Rnd 18 this year to last years end of season totals:
UP:
PG +19%
AdUtd + 8%
WPx +3%

Down:
SFC -2%
MVFC -18%
CCM -23%
Bris -34%
NJs -41%

What really remains to be seen from the predictive perspective is what happens in this extended season from here on. Given that 6 teams make the finals.

And as Art correctly points out – the introduction of NQ and GC has certainly not helped overall attendances.

However, re on field success – the most concerning trend might be MVFC who has dropped since V2, : -19%, -6%, -17% : from a 32,444 average at Docklands to now just over 20,000……still clearly the best supported and most successful side in the ‘young’ league thus far and Hearts still to come.

SO, there’s concerns. The more you hear people claiming there aren’t really concerns – - you know there are!!!!!

or even Yoshuira up in Brissie!!!

You’ll be happy to know the BBC thinks your club is one of the most famous in the AFL.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8415988.stm

Move the matches to smaller gounds and the atmoshpere will improve significantly

Let me twist your astute observation around a bit.

“That said, given the NRL is an order of magnitude bigger than the A-League I defy you to find any demographic that does not contain more NRL supporters than A-League supporters.”

Ok here goes -
1) There less vegetarian NRL fans then there are vegetarian A-League fans.
2) There less gay NRL fans then there are gay A-League fans.
3) There less Hybrid driving NRL fans than there are Hybrid driving A-League fans.

There – are you happy now. What was that you said about about troglodytes??

That’s right they only like – league, meat pies, kangaroos and Holden cars

Teams whose attendance have gone up or are the same as last season (last season in brackets)
Sydney FC – 12,075 (12,375)
Adelaide United 11,433 (11,712)
Perth Glory – 9,419 (7,942)
Wellington Phoenix – 7,368 (7,193)

Teams whose attendances have declined and have their own separate issues that they need to address:
Brisbane Roar – 8,573 (12,995)
Central Coast Mariners – 7,706 (10,465)
Newcastle Jets – 5,764 (9,729)

Expansion clubs that have come in this season
North Queensland Fury – 6,676
Gold Coast United – 5,044

Team that will finish with over double the A-League average
Melbourne Victory – 20,089 (24,516) should get 25 – 30k on the weekend

Sydney
Newcastle
Fold Coast
Tards

Good question especially re Majak Daw,

I have noted an absence of any articles on him, even the ‘red’ column articles on the left,

If I get time (no certainty presently), there’s a couple of rookie related articles I’d love to do.

However – when I saw a place that I could add value to this thread via providing factual stats to clarify a misleading statement, I thought it my (Roarvic) civic duty to provide that clarification. After all – on theRoar – one thing we all seem good at is shooting down overly grand statements!!!!

(is it Xmas yet????)

http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/12/16/afl-plans-holding-the-ball-changes-but-nothing-else/

Why are you spending your time on this thread when you should be giving us your take on AFL rules.
Also, why don’t you write a piece on Majak Daw being drafted to your club.
Now there’s a good news story regardless of which code or codes people follow.

BTW My point was in response to Springs above yours.

rnd 14 V1 – 29,105

V3 never dropped below 40K for a round.

The 30,849 is just worse than V5 rnd 8 at 30,992 to claim the 3rd worst result yet.

short answer – - yes.

AFL, 185 games (inc finals) for 7 million.

AFL wins.

Let alone if we go into the per capita side of it, or that EPL is far and away more national than the AFL is etc etc.

Anyway – - just what was your point??

Are you uncomfortable with these facts, Chris?
Or do you wish to stereotype all AFL fans as troglodytes?

ah, don’t you love it when both people are right. 2009 was a record crowd aggregate for the NRL (H&A) season. The Avg as you correctly pointed out for 192 games was down 400 on the 180 games in 2005. The Aggregate was only about 2K more than 1995 with 220 games played…………all this variability makes comparisons internally a bit dodgey, let alone going external.

btw – if in discussion about the HAL and blockbusters – you feel you need to bring the Socceroos into discussion – then, don’t compare then to the AFL H&A season…..btw – AFL H&A season avg around 36,000. 40% of which is 14,400. That’d equate to 50,000. You might’ve done a typo when you intended to put “30%”??

however, why don’t you compare the handful of Socceroos matches to the handful of AFL finals which, for 9 matches averaged over 68,000.

Soccer is the biggest participation sport in the country….by some aggregated measures. Because, there’s been large recent growth in womens soccer. There’s large ‘un-organised’ participation, and larger over 35s participation. When you get into specific segments – soccer doesn’t win much outside of NSW.

btw – last year they tried on the ‘plateauing’ regarding HAL crowds. Last year that was wrong, they were falling dramatically. This year, they are falling dramatically again. That’s a consistant trend – to lose over 30% of your average attendance dropping from 14K to 9500 over a 2 year period……that’s freefall.

Comfortably beating the other codes…..unless it’s a union vs league stoush admittedly.

the HAL does have some continuity from the NSL – Glory, AdeUtd and Roar. And also a base initially in the main soccer state – NSW.

the HAL this year especially as stuff all competition from basket(case)ball, the international summer of cricket and a pretty low key build up so far to next months tennis open.

note though – on any given week in Sydney during the NRL season – you may have 50,000-80,000 NRL attendees, and every 2nd week another 30K at the Swans, and every 2nd week another 20K at the ‘Tahs.

During the HAL season, once a fortnight, there’s perhaps 11K at SFC and not much else.

now – the AFL has a specific focus on giving the fans what they want (maximising attendances) – - shock horror, what madness!!!!
Surely the HAL needs to try this approach.

NRL has about 60 of the top 100 highest rating pay TV programs of the year and is competing directly with the AFL games and the Super 14 Games. Soccer on Pay Tv is competing with American sport and international (not Australia) cricket.

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We like football, meat pies, kangaroos and Holden cars.
We like football, meat pies, kangaroos and Holden cars.
We like football, meat pies, kangaroos and Holden cars.
We like football, meat pies, kangaroos and Holden cars.
We like football, meat pies, kangaroos and Holden cars.