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	<title>Comments on: The hits and misses of the rugby movie Invictus</title>
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		<title>By: Blackballs</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/12/19/rugby-movie-hits-and-misses/comment-page-1/#comment-288036</link>
		<dc:creator>Blackballs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 00:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would add a scene where the All Blacks were out two nights before the game reaping havoc on the town.</description>
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		<title>By: ohtani's jacket</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/12/19/rugby-movie-hits-and-misses/comment-page-3/#comment-272257</link>
		<dc:creator>ohtani's jacket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 08:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clearly we need Michael Moore to uncover the truth of what happened in the 1995 World Cup.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clearly we need Michael Moore to uncover the truth of what happened in the 1995 World Cup.</p>
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		<title>By: AndyS</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/12/19/rugby-movie-hits-and-misses/comment-page-3/#comment-272111</link>
		<dc:creator>AndyS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 02:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eYSpIz2FjU with some minor mods. Even works with the different body types...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or this &#8211; <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eYSpIz2FjU" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eYSpIz2FjU</a> with some minor mods. Even works with the different body types&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/12/19/rugby-movie-hits-and-misses/comment-page-3/#comment-271556</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 01:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rugger Buggers,

Whilst it warms the cockles that rugby union is attracting the likes of Eastwood, Freeman and Damon as a vehicle to tell a story again Hollywood has over look the facts in the case of RWC 1995, SA Rugby and the SA Government;

Fact: The All Blacks deserved to win the cup but were poisoned.
Fact: The Bok&#039;s had signed with WRC however welched on the deal.

Lets not forget the dishonesty and lengths South Africa went to to seal its place in history. The powerbrokers of SA and SA rugby were not men of integrity and not rugby men in my opinion. So believe the hype about hope and unity etc etc however under the surface was a machine intent on doing whatever it took to win. 

For the record I am not a Kiwi or a racist. I just don&#039;t like crap being reported as fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rugger Buggers,</p>
<p>Whilst it warms the cockles that rugby union is attracting the likes of Eastwood, Freeman and Damon as a vehicle to tell a story again Hollywood has over look the facts in the case of RWC 1995, SA Rugby and the SA Government;</p>
<p>Fact: The All Blacks deserved to win the cup but were poisoned.<br />
Fact: The Bok&#8217;s had signed with WRC however welched on the deal.</p>
<p>Lets not forget the dishonesty and lengths South Africa went to to seal its place in history. The powerbrokers of SA and SA rugby were not men of integrity and not rugby men in my opinion. So believe the hype about hope and unity etc etc however under the surface was a machine intent on doing whatever it took to win. </p>
<p>For the record I am not a Kiwi or a racist. I just don&#8217;t like crap being reported as fact.</p>
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		<title>By: By Guess</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/12/19/rugby-movie-hits-and-misses/comment-page-3/#comment-271433</link>
		<dc:creator>By Guess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 22:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looking forward to this movie - great exposure for rugby in US - re the food poisoning of the All Blacks - Clint could have just clipped this in - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7l6jg4Hlog - and appealed to an even wider US audience</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking forward to this movie &#8211; great exposure for rugby in US &#8211; re the food poisoning of the All Blacks &#8211; Clint could have just clipped this in &#8211; <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7l6jg4Hlog" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7l6jg4Hlog</a> &#8211; and appealed to an even wider US audience</p>
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		<title>By: Dean Pantio</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/12/19/rugby-movie-hits-and-misses/comment-page-2/#comment-271057</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean Pantio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 03:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=6&amp;click_id=581&amp;art_id=qw961136822629B262</description>
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		<title>By: Shahsan</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/12/19/rugby-movie-hits-and-misses/comment-page-1/#comment-270684</link>
		<dc:creator>Shahsan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 12:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, that description of him I can live with. Fair enough</description>
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		<title>By: pothale</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/12/19/rugby-movie-hits-and-misses/comment-page-1/#comment-270671</link>
		<dc:creator>pothale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 11:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Asking rhetorical questions again, Shahsan?  Did you not want an actual answer to your question?  

Then that explains it all. Enough said.

:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Asking rhetorical questions again, Shahsan?  Did you not want an actual answer to your question?  </p>
<p>Then that explains it all. Enough said.</p>
<p> <img src='http://cdn0.theroar.com.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: ohtani's jacket</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/12/19/rugby-movie-hits-and-misses/comment-page-1/#comment-270659</link>
		<dc:creator>ohtani's jacket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 10:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, it&#039;s a sports blog not a film blog, so I don&#039;t know that&#039;s really necessary to debate the merits of Clint Eastwood as a filmmaker. He&#039;s a respectable elder statesman for people who are only familiar with mainstream cinema, but to say he&#039;s a great filmmaker is a pretty casual statement. He&#039;s a veteran actor who&#039;s a reasonably talented filmmaker with quasi-auteur status thanks to being an iconic figure in spaghetti Westerns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it&#8217;s a sports blog not a film blog, so I don&#8217;t know that&#8217;s really necessary to debate the merits of Clint Eastwood as a filmmaker. He&#8217;s a respectable elder statesman for people who are only familiar with mainstream cinema, but to say he&#8217;s a great filmmaker is a pretty casual statement. He&#8217;s a veteran actor who&#8217;s a reasonably talented filmmaker with quasi-auteur status thanks to being an iconic figure in spaghetti Westerns.</p>
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		<title>By: Shahsan</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/12/19/rugby-movie-hits-and-misses/comment-page-1/#comment-270609</link>
		<dc:creator>Shahsan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 07:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saying you&#039;ve seen thousands of movies doesn&#039;t prove anything. That&#039;s not an argument. I&#039;ve seen lots  too (average 5 a week for at least 20 years), but we cannot further any discussion that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saying you&#8217;ve seen thousands of movies doesn&#8217;t prove anything. That&#8217;s not an argument. I&#8217;ve seen lots  too (average 5 a week for at least 20 years), but we cannot further any discussion that way.</p>
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		<title>By: Shahsan</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/12/19/rugby-movie-hits-and-misses/comment-page-1/#comment-270607</link>
		<dc:creator>Shahsan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 07:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pothale, you think Dennis Lehane is a brilliant author? Then that explains it all. Enough said. 

MyGeneration, you are stating your opinion, i have stated mine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pothale, you think Dennis Lehane is a brilliant author? Then that explains it all. Enough said. </p>
<p>MyGeneration, you are stating your opinion, i have stated mine.</p>
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		<title>By: PastHisBest</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/12/19/rugby-movie-hits-and-misses/comment-page-2/#comment-270591</link>
		<dc:creator>PastHisBest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 06:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So you&#039;ve answered your own question then Jerry.</description>
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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 02:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And on the subject of previous films with rugby as a subject, I can&#039;t understand why people aren&#039;t mentioning Old Scores. It has both Grizz Wylie and Steve McDowell in it (in non speaking roles). There&#039;s really nothing wrong with it other than a crap plot, bad dialogue, terrible acting and poor directing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And on the subject of previous films with rugby as a subject, I can&#8217;t understand why people aren&#8217;t mentioning Old Scores. It has both Grizz Wylie and Steve McDowell in it (in non speaking roles). There&#8217;s really nothing wrong with it other than a crap plot, bad dialogue, terrible acting and poor directing.</p>
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		<title>By: MyGeneration</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/12/19/rugby-movie-hits-and-misses/comment-page-1/#comment-270519</link>
		<dc:creator>MyGeneration</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 02:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eastwood has made a lot of different sorts of movies over a long period. Some of them are great, some are mediocre, some are terrible (my personal hate is Million Dollar Baby). But he&#039;s a great director by any measure, and ambiguity is a feature of many of his movies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eastwood has made a lot of different sorts of movies over a long period. Some of them are great, some are mediocre, some are terrible (my personal hate is Million Dollar Baby). But he&#8217;s a great director by any measure, and ambiguity is a feature of many of his movies.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/12/19/rugby-movie-hits-and-misses/comment-page-2/#comment-270516</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 02:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another message board I frequent has offered the following improvements - 

1 - Mandela should be responsible for poisoning the AB&#039;s using methods he learned while in prison.
2 - Some sort of shout out to the best film about South Africans in history - Lethal Weapon 2. Perhaps one of the Boks should say something like &quot;He&#039;s the president? But...but...he&#039;s BLICK!&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another message board I frequent has offered the following improvements &#8211; </p>
<p>1 &#8211; Mandela should be responsible for poisoning the AB&#8217;s using methods he learned while in prison.<br />
2 &#8211; Some sort of shout out to the best film about South Africans in history &#8211; Lethal Weapon 2. Perhaps one of the Boks should say something like &#8220;He&#8217;s the president? But&#8230;but&#8230;he&#8217;s BLICK!&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 02:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish any one trying to make a profitable movie where south african spotsman are the good guys all the best.</description>
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		<title>By: pothale</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/12/19/rugby-movie-hits-and-misses/comment-page-1/#comment-270501</link>
		<dc:creator>pothale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 02:16:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shahsan - I don&#039;t need to watch his movies again to be able to articulate my views.  I&#039;ve seen them often enough.  There is ambiguity in his movies in my view.  In the themes he picks, in the characters he plays, and the actors he directs.

My point was that the phrase &#039;Heavy–handed, mindless schlock&#039; was straight out of the grab-bag of film critics&#039; cliches.  Critics 101 if you like.  I&#039;ve no doubt there exists two critics who think Eastwood is wonderful, and possibly many more who don&#039;t.

Funny you should mention Midnight in the Garden.... - one of the most overrated novels to be made into one of the most overrated movies.... would be my view.  A few years ago, I had an opportunity to visit Savannah in Georgia where it was shot - and boy do they idolise it.  They even have tours that take you around parts of the city to show you where certain scenes were filmed.  You can get your picture taken.  Local art galleries have paintings by local artists commemorating some of the locations.  All a bit OTT.  

And why do you not like Mystic River written by the brilliant Denis Lehane and to which the screen play is very faithful?  Ambiguities and sublties abound in this story which I thought Eastwood handled well in what is a complex story to tell.

To each his own as you say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shahsan &#8211; I don&#8217;t need to watch his movies again to be able to articulate my views.  I&#8217;ve seen them often enough.  There is ambiguity in his movies in my view.  In the themes he picks, in the characters he plays, and the actors he directs.</p>
<p>My point was that the phrase &#8216;Heavy–handed, mindless schlock&#8217; was straight out of the grab-bag of film critics&#8217; cliches.  Critics 101 if you like.  I&#8217;ve no doubt there exists two critics who think Eastwood is wonderful, and possibly many more who don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Funny you should mention Midnight in the Garden&#8230;. &#8211; one of the most overrated novels to be made into one of the most overrated movies&#8230;. would be my view.  A few years ago, I had an opportunity to visit Savannah in Georgia where it was shot &#8211; and boy do they idolise it.  They even have tours that take you around parts of the city to show you where certain scenes were filmed.  You can get your picture taken.  Local art galleries have paintings by local artists commemorating some of the locations.  All a bit OTT.  </p>
<p>And why do you not like Mystic River written by the brilliant Denis Lehane and to which the screen play is very faithful?  Ambiguities and sublties abound in this story which I thought Eastwood handled well in what is a complex story to tell.</p>
<p>To each his own as you say.</p>
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		<title>By: ohtani's jacket</title>
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		<dc:creator>ohtani's jacket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 01:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the thousands of movies and hundreds of great directors I&#039;ve seen say you&#039;re wrong.</description>
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		<title>By: Shahsan</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/12/19/rugby-movie-hits-and-misses/comment-page-1/#comment-270414</link>
		<dc:creator>Shahsan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 22:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, mate, there is no ambiguity in Eastwood&#039;s films. He leaves you in no doubt how you should think or feel. Go watch his movies again.
&quot;Heavy–handed, mindless schlock is film critics cliche&quot;. On teh contrary, most film critics, especially men such as Roger Ebert and David Stratton, have man love for Eastwood. Must be a crush from boyhood. In their eyes, he can do no wrong. 
He is actually incapable of making more subtle movies such as, to give some mroe commercial examples, Judgment at Nuremberg, Das Boot and The Lives of Others. His movies are essentially Dirty Harry or Play Misty For Me dressed up in fake gravitas. Even so-called deep movies such as Letters from Iwo Jima suffer from this failing. And he ruined a fantasttic book in Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil because of this.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, mate, there is no ambiguity in Eastwood&#8217;s films. He leaves you in no doubt how you should think or feel. Go watch his movies again.<br />
&#8220;Heavy–handed, mindless schlock is film critics cliche&#8221;. On teh contrary, most film critics, especially men such as Roger Ebert and David Stratton, have man love for Eastwood. Must be a crush from boyhood. In their eyes, he can do no wrong.<br />
He is actually incapable of making more subtle movies such as, to give some mroe commercial examples, Judgment at Nuremberg, Das Boot and The Lives of Others. His movies are essentially Dirty Harry or Play Misty For Me dressed up in fake gravitas. Even so-called deep movies such as Letters from Iwo Jima suffer from this failing. And he ruined a fantasttic book in Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil because of this.</p>
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		<title>By: pothale</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/12/19/rugby-movie-hits-and-misses/comment-page-2/#comment-270393</link>
		<dc:creator>pothale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 19:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True.  Give it time.   If it succeeds, full credit to Eastwood to popularise a story and sport that lies outside the narrow confines of Amercican storytelling that doesn;t have an English link.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True.  Give it time.   If it succeeds, full credit to Eastwood to popularise a story and sport that lies outside the narrow confines of Amercican storytelling that doesn;t have an English link.</p>
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		<title>By: Colin N</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colin N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 19:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In it&#039;s first weekend it was third in the US box office, I believe.

Certainly not the worst.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In it&#8217;s first weekend it was third in the US box office, I believe.</p>
<p>Certainly not the worst.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank O'Keeffe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank O'Keeffe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 15:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick,

I never said Suzie should be in the movie. Rather I said I&#039;d include the food poisoning. I wasn&#039;t inferring that the All Blacks were deliberately poisoned at all, but that they had food poisoning. 
I have the VHS of the semi-final as well, and it&#039;s contentious whether Benazzi scored that try. He later admitted years later that he did. You can take that with a grain of salt I guess...

Just little things like that make the difference between a great movie and a terrible movie like Tokyo Story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick,</p>
<p>I never said Suzie should be in the movie. Rather I said I&#8217;d include the food poisoning. I wasn&#8217;t inferring that the All Blacks were deliberately poisoned at all, but that they had food poisoning.<br />
I have the VHS of the semi-final as well, and it&#8217;s contentious whether Benazzi scored that try. He later admitted years later that he did. You can take that with a grain of salt I guess&#8230;</p>
<p>Just little things like that make the difference between a great movie and a terrible movie like Tokyo Story.</p>
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		<title>By: pothale</title>
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		<dc:creator>pothale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 13:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Invictus will likely bomb in the US.  The reaction from preview-goers, including Morgan Freeman, is what the hell is rugby about, and we prefer (real) football - US style.  

It&#039;ll be a winner in SA, and have a milder following in Europe - maybe more so in Australasia.  Invictus doesn&#039;t have enough rugby action in it - a la Any Given Sunday for example - it&#039;s more a means to an end in glorifying Mandela&#039;s pursuit of unity.  It takes liberties with his relationship with the SA captain and makes more of it than actually happened - but that&#039;s how you write screenplays for US audiences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Invictus will likely bomb in the US.  The reaction from preview-goers, including Morgan Freeman, is what the hell is rugby about, and we prefer (real) football &#8211; US style.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;ll be a winner in SA, and have a milder following in Europe &#8211; maybe more so in Australasia.  Invictus doesn&#8217;t have enough rugby action in it &#8211; a la Any Given Sunday for example &#8211; it&#8217;s more a means to an end in glorifying Mandela&#8217;s pursuit of unity.  It takes liberties with his relationship with the SA captain and makes more of it than actually happened &#8211; but that&#8217;s how you write screenplays for US audiences.</p>
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		<title>By: pothale</title>
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		<dc:creator>pothale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 13:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eastwood didn&#039;t write Dirty Harry/Magnum Force, etc.  It was based on real-life events and characters

He was given the part only after Sinatra, Wayne, McQueen and Newman had all passed on it.

It does fit with his penchant for supporting the underdog and victim - a recurring theme in a lot of his movies that are mentioned in earlier posts.  Invictus fits the bill in that respect.  Heavy--handed, mindless schlock is film critics cliche.  Black is black and white is white?  I would have thought that Eastwood&#039;s characters have more trodden the line between the two and been more ambiguous in the values and morals he portrayed/adopted in the pursuit of &#039;good&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eastwood didn&#8217;t write Dirty Harry/Magnum Force, etc.  It was based on real-life events and characters</p>
<p>He was given the part only after Sinatra, Wayne, McQueen and Newman had all passed on it.</p>
<p>It does fit with his penchant for supporting the underdog and victim &#8211; a recurring theme in a lot of his movies that are mentioned in earlier posts.  Invictus fits the bill in that respect.  Heavy&#8211;handed, mindless schlock is film critics cliche.  Black is black and white is white?  I would have thought that Eastwood&#8217;s characters have more trodden the line between the two and been more ambiguous in the values and morals he portrayed/adopted in the pursuit of &#8216;good&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Bondiplage</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bondiplage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 11:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t know about Melbourne, Brisbane, Perth or Auckland but Hoyts says that Invictus won&#039;t be released in Sydney until January 21. The studio wanted a pre-Christmas-into-Christmas movie hence the December 12 release date in North America. 

Stiff competition for the holiday adult dollar in the States as Invictus goes up against two likely blockbusters, the $300 million Avatar and Robert Downey&#039;s Sherlock Holmes, and one proven blockbuster, the Sandra Bullock movie with a background of American football, The Blind Side. But if Invictus has legs, makes its nut, and a tidy little profit besides, maybe those rugby scripts that ended up in the slush pile will get another look.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t know about Melbourne, Brisbane, Perth or Auckland but Hoyts says that Invictus won&#8217;t be released in Sydney until January 21. The studio wanted a pre-Christmas-into-Christmas movie hence the December 12 release date in North America. </p>
<p>Stiff competition for the holiday adult dollar in the States as Invictus goes up against two likely blockbusters, the $300 million Avatar and Robert Downey&#8217;s Sherlock Holmes, and one proven blockbuster, the Sandra Bullock movie with a background of American football, The Blind Side. But if Invictus has legs, makes its nut, and a tidy little profit besides, maybe those rugby scripts that ended up in the slush pile will get another look.</p>
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		<title>By: Bondiplage</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/12/19/rugby-movie-hits-and-misses/comment-page-2/#comment-270278</link>
		<dc:creator>Bondiplage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 10:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The 1995 RWC was a tough one to handicap. Most people who bet on try difference in certain matchups would have lost money. For example, although Canada beat Romania by 29 points and the Ws beat them by 39 points the Boks scored only one more try than did Romania when they played. The Pumas scored 2 tries against England and England scored none, but Andrew kicked 6 penalties and 2 drop goals. The Ws scored 2 more tries than did Canada in their game. England versus Italy, even steven at 2 tries apiece. The Pumas scored one more try than Italy, Ireland scored one more than Wales, and England scored one more than Samoa.

In the semis, the Boks scored one try, France 0. And although the ABs beat England, England still managed to score 4 tries against them. 

In the final, neither team scored a try.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 1995 RWC was a tough one to handicap. Most people who bet on try difference in certain matchups would have lost money. For example, although Canada beat Romania by 29 points and the Ws beat them by 39 points the Boks scored only one more try than did Romania when they played. The Pumas scored 2 tries against England and England scored none, but Andrew kicked 6 penalties and 2 drop goals. The Ws scored 2 more tries than did Canada in their game. England versus Italy, even steven at 2 tries apiece. The Pumas scored one more try than Italy, Ireland scored one more than Wales, and England scored one more than Samoa.</p>
<p>In the semis, the Boks scored one try, France 0. And although the ABs beat England, England still managed to score 4 tries against them. </p>
<p>In the final, neither team scored a try.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 10:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Benazzi probably didn&#039;t score in the semi, but ironically (in that he was the player who probably did score in the final) neither did Ruben Kruger. He&#039;s actually admitted he didn&#039;t score that try against France.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Benazzi probably didn&#8217;t score in the semi, but ironically (in that he was the player who probably did score in the final) neither did Ruben Kruger. He&#8217;s actually admitted he didn&#8217;t score that try against France.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/12/19/rugby-movie-hits-and-misses/comment-page-2/#comment-270267</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 10:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Suzie is a daft notion, but it&#039;s not really disputed the players were sick. There&#039;s been multiple first hand accounts of that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suzie is a daft notion, but it&#8217;s not really disputed the players were sick. There&#8217;s been multiple first hand accounts of that.</p>
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		<title>By: Shahsan</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/12/19/rugby-movie-hits-and-misses/comment-page-2/#comment-270260</link>
		<dc:creator>Shahsan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 10:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was one last year about rugby, called Forever Strong, starring Gary Cole. I havent watched it but RottenTomatoes gave it 32%. Sports movies, by and large, are hard to do. Especially for team sports.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was one last year about rugby, called Forever Strong, starring Gary Cole. I havent watched it but RottenTomatoes gave it 32%. Sports movies, by and large, are hard to do. Especially for team sports.</p>
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		<title>By: Seiran</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seiran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 09:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lol, I&#039;d buy that for a dollar!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol, I&#8217;d buy that for a dollar!</p>
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