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	<title>Comments on: Dupuy six-month gouging ban is anti-French, fume Stade</title>
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		<title>By: Wavell Wakefield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wavell Wakefield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You said craggy faaced and he popped in my mind. I thought it an unlikely scenario at the time but you never know with the French. For the record the hardest tackle I ever saw was from Pelous on Keith Woods. It was horrific. Apparently Pelous also stabbed Michalak in the hand with a fork when Michalak was misbehaving in Toulouse colours one evening AND... he sells wine. A man of many talents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You said craggy faaced and he popped in my mind. I thought it an unlikely scenario at the time but you never know with the French. For the record the hardest tackle I ever saw was from Pelous on Keith Woods. It was horrific. Apparently Pelous also stabbed Michalak in the hand with a fork when Michalak was misbehaving in Toulouse colours one evening AND&#8230; he sells wine. A man of many talents.</p>
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		<title>By: pothale</title>
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		<dc:creator>pothale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sarkosy?  

Fabien Pelous is who I meant - I think he&#039;s more popularly known as &#039;Lurch&#039; from the Addams TV show.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarkosy?  </p>
<p>Fabien Pelous is who I meant &#8211; I think he&#8217;s more popularly known as &#8216;Lurch&#8217; from the Addams TV show.</p>
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		<title>By: Wavell Wakefield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wavell Wakefield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait until you see Poitrenaud&#039;s 72nd minute try, Pothale. Yet more comedy gold.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait until you see Poitrenaud&#8217;s 72nd minute try, Pothale. Yet more comedy gold.</p>
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		<title>By: Wavell Wakefield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wavell Wakefield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The French bloke with the craggy face? Sarkozy?

I couldn&#039;t believe my eyes. I spat my snowball everywhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The French bloke with the craggy face? Sarkozy?</p>
<p>I couldn&#8217;t believe my eyes. I spat my snowball everywhere.</p>
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		<title>By: pothale</title>
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		<dc:creator>pothale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Classic - can&#039;t wait to catch that on Setanta replay or you Tube - whichever manages it faster.

Obviously a favoured French tactic - I seem to recall whatisname, the French bloke with the craggy face, being similarly provoked in a Munster match and kicking Alan Quinlan in the derriere - he promptly got carded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Classic &#8211; can&#8217;t wait to catch that on Setanta replay or you Tube &#8211; whichever manages it faster.</p>
<p>Obviously a favoured French tactic &#8211; I seem to recall whatisname, the French bloke with the craggy face, being similarly provoked in a Munster match and kicking Alan Quinlan in the derriere &#8211; he promptly got carded.</p>
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		<title>By: Wavell Wakefield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wavell Wakefield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyhow, aside from the silly kiddies comments... back to the matter in hand. The Toulouse v Perpignan match has just been soured by a rather comic moment. Fred Michalak appeared to insinuate that his face had been attacked in a maul and hit the ground. A Perpignan player trotted over and forcefully rubbed his head (the old &quot;Hope you&#039;re OK, lad.&quot; trick). Michalak then rose, took a run up and kicked the Perpignan player up the arse. Comedy gold. It would take a real Eisenstein to suggest these boys and this league aren&#039;t full of naughty men.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyhow, aside from the silly kiddies comments&#8230; back to the matter in hand. The Toulouse v Perpignan match has just been soured by a rather comic moment. Fred Michalak appeared to insinuate that his face had been attacked in a maul and hit the ground. A Perpignan player trotted over and forcefully rubbed his head (the old &#8220;Hope you&#8217;re OK, lad.&#8221; trick). Michalak then rose, took a run up and kicked the Perpignan player up the arse. Comedy gold. It would take a real Eisenstein to suggest these boys and this league aren&#8217;t full of naughty men.</p>
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		<title>By: Wavell Wakefield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wavell Wakefield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 12:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2. I have not called a single person stupid. In contrast you have been rude, and as I recall started being personal. I have not been personal with you. Look at yourself first. 

3. I didn&#039;t make a parallel between rolling away and moving away. I asked you how a player could be banned for merely moving away - clearly an attempt at controversy and argument on your part. You became churlish and decided to ignore the question, as you do with others by offering nonsensical and hypocritical statements and by giving a short shrift - certainly by not offering a positive contribution.

4. Define and clarify or remove.

5. Resistance in the form of low-wit and low-class personal abuse from one person who avoids any talk of rugby (as you do). That Spiro agreed and extended the rugby discussion that I had galvanised says it all. This site is for rugby. Did you know that? Certainly not for depressed pilot fish who merely add on negative drivel to discussions and generally upsetting the apple cart.

6. Again, look at yourself. I have openly stated that I hardly drink at all, so not only is your suggestion offensive and personal it is also innacurate. Perhaps if you spent more time actually reading the threads then your silly comments wouldn&#039;t be so consistently pulled up by other contributors. Your hypocrisy is astonishing, as is YOUR ego, I would imagine. Like I said, I&#039;m sorry your cryptic wonders have gone awry. Time for a new hobby and something positive in your life. Go well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2. I have not called a single person stupid. In contrast you have been rude, and as I recall started being personal. I have not been personal with you. Look at yourself first. </p>
<p>3. I didn&#8217;t make a parallel between rolling away and moving away. I asked you how a player could be banned for merely moving away &#8211; clearly an attempt at controversy and argument on your part. You became churlish and decided to ignore the question, as you do with others by offering nonsensical and hypocritical statements and by giving a short shrift &#8211; certainly by not offering a positive contribution.</p>
<p>4. Define and clarify or remove.</p>
<p>5. Resistance in the form of low-wit and low-class personal abuse from one person who avoids any talk of rugby (as you do). That Spiro agreed and extended the rugby discussion that I had galvanised says it all. This site is for rugby. Did you know that? Certainly not for depressed pilot fish who merely add on negative drivel to discussions and generally upsetting the apple cart.</p>
<p>6. Again, look at yourself. I have openly stated that I hardly drink at all, so not only is your suggestion offensive and personal it is also innacurate. Perhaps if you spent more time actually reading the threads then your silly comments wouldn&#8217;t be so consistently pulled up by other contributors. Your hypocrisy is astonishing, as is YOUR ego, I would imagine. Like I said, I&#8217;m sorry your cryptic wonders have gone awry. Time for a new hobby and something positive in your life. Go well.</p>
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		<title>By: MM</title>
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		<dc:creator>MM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 01:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wavell...

1] It is patently obvious that you alone cannot interpret even the most clear comments since Pothale pointed out earlier what he did - why you only?

2] Throughout virtually all comments, you have got personal to others - call them stupid etc and by the large majority, the opinions of others are unnecessarily shredded apart by you - again with personal connotations.

3] What is the difference between &quot;rolling away&quot; and &quot;moving away&quot; in the Burger incident?  You said it - do not now deny it.

4] You have without substance accused myself and others of various - to myself, amongst many statements and the twisted, sarcastic use of some without validation or proof.

5] In case you hadn&#039;t noticed, check back on the articles and you will find the majority of resistance to your apparently superior approach.  Just who do you think you are anyway???

6] Having chatted about your booze openly, one doesn&#039;t know to what extent of sobriety you are in - but certainly one of immense self-importance and overtly ego-centric.

There is nothing cryptic or untrue in any of the above statements because the evidence is there - much of it in your own words.

Doubt you&#039;re in a frame of mind to comprehend the earlier, sincere post - neither this one.  Be it at your peril unless you want to get up and do something with your life.  It&#039;s little wonder that some favourites gave up on this column frankly.

Wake up and smell the roses.

Clearly, no matter in what vein - albeit a hand of decency, you are unable to accurately and with goodwill respond.  

Finished, Verby, Au Revoir and good bye -Finito!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wavell&#8230;</p>
<p>1] It is patently obvious that you alone cannot interpret even the most clear comments since Pothale pointed out earlier what he did &#8211; why you only?</p>
<p>2] Throughout virtually all comments, you have got personal to others &#8211; call them stupid etc and by the large majority, the opinions of others are unnecessarily shredded apart by you &#8211; again with personal connotations.</p>
<p>3] What is the difference between &#8220;rolling away&#8221; and &#8220;moving away&#8221; in the Burger incident?  You said it &#8211; do not now deny it.</p>
<p>4] You have without substance accused myself and others of various &#8211; to myself, amongst many statements and the twisted, sarcastic use of some without validation or proof.</p>
<p>5] In case you hadn&#8217;t noticed, check back on the articles and you will find the majority of resistance to your apparently superior approach.  Just who do you think you are anyway???</p>
<p>6] Having chatted about your booze openly, one doesn&#8217;t know to what extent of sobriety you are in &#8211; but certainly one of immense self-importance and overtly ego-centric.</p>
<p>There is nothing cryptic or untrue in any of the above statements because the evidence is there &#8211; much of it in your own words.</p>
<p>Doubt you&#8217;re in a frame of mind to comprehend the earlier, sincere post &#8211; neither this one.  Be it at your peril unless you want to get up and do something with your life.  It&#8217;s little wonder that some favourites gave up on this column frankly.</p>
<p>Wake up and smell the roses.</p>
<p>Clearly, no matter in what vein &#8211; albeit a hand of decency, you are unable to accurately and with goodwill respond.  </p>
<p>Finished, Verby, Au Revoir and good bye -Finito!</p>
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		<title>By: Wavell Wakefield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wavell Wakefield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 00:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps you deserve no less? However, clearly you misinterpret once more. You need to step back, re-read and lighten up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps you deserve no less? However, clearly you misinterpret once more. You need to step back, re-read and lighten up.</p>
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		<title>By: MM</title>
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		<dc:creator>MM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 00:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being decent and tolerant (last comment I made) clearly was not worth the time as the pedantic remarks continue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being decent and tolerant (last comment I made) clearly was not worth the time as the pedantic remarks continue.</p>
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		<title>By: Wavell Wakefield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wavell Wakefield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 00:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought that &#039;shove it&#039; was your way of being decent, MM? My mistake. Don&#039;t shove it then, keep it instead. Looks like it&#039;s all gravy now after all. Good stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought that &#8216;shove it&#8217; was your way of being decent, MM? My mistake. Don&#8217;t shove it then, keep it instead. Looks like it&#8217;s all gravy now after all. Good stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: MM</title>
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		<dc:creator>MM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 00:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you did misunderstand me... cool down a little Wavell - let&#039;s try and be decent - can you manage that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you did misunderstand me&#8230; cool down a little Wavell &#8211; let&#8217;s try and be decent &#8211; can you manage that?</p>
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		<title>By: MM</title>
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		<dc:creator>MM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 00:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most Certainly Potchale,

Zimbabwe - formerly Rhodesia as I prefer to call it.  I&#039;m unfortunately not resident in a particular country long enough to state so however - and that is due to work commitments around the Globe.

I cannot attest to supporting a country - my team of preference - very deeply embedded is the famous All Blacks team.  As rugby is the only sporting interest I have - there are admirable occasions where all teams are worthy of support irrespective of northern or southern hemisphere.  Same to certain individual players.

This year I have certainly admired John Smit for his supremacy in leading the Boks and according to my knowledge, they&#039;re a rough bunch who won&#039;t bow down to an undeserving captain.  It&#039;s been an honour to go into the change rooms and hear how he motivates his men.

Of equal honour - if not more, was chatting to various members of the All Blacks - an experience to die for, as the term says.
Very interesting indeed.

For all the media generated from Australia regarding Matt G, he&#039;s not a bad lad - still young and a little honing is needed.  Stirling Mortlock (sorry if spelling is incorrect) is a great guy - one with the right attitude.

I haven&#039;t had the privilege of chatting to northern hemisphere players - but that&#039;s coming...  Only Argentina - also inspirational and interesting.

Let me answer the question indepth further than asked to the best of my ability within the boundaries of my C.O.P.

I am an international I.R.C.A. Lead Auditor with years of experience in many genres - extremely varied.  As we cover the entire spectrum of business and other genres, we are continuously up to date.  I answer to the I.A.F. in Germany only because of their admirable standards and governance. (I&#039;m not German...)

It&#039;s normal to do a two - three day stint in investigations which is apart from I.R.C.A. without a break or sleep.  

The rewards are phenomenal in terms of knowledge and experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most Certainly Potchale,</p>
<p>Zimbabwe &#8211; formerly Rhodesia as I prefer to call it.  I&#8217;m unfortunately not resident in a particular country long enough to state so however &#8211; and that is due to work commitments around the Globe.</p>
<p>I cannot attest to supporting a country &#8211; my team of preference &#8211; very deeply embedded is the famous All Blacks team.  As rugby is the only sporting interest I have &#8211; there are admirable occasions where all teams are worthy of support irrespective of northern or southern hemisphere.  Same to certain individual players.</p>
<p>This year I have certainly admired John Smit for his supremacy in leading the Boks and according to my knowledge, they&#8217;re a rough bunch who won&#8217;t bow down to an undeserving captain.  It&#8217;s been an honour to go into the change rooms and hear how he motivates his men.</p>
<p>Of equal honour &#8211; if not more, was chatting to various members of the All Blacks &#8211; an experience to die for, as the term says.<br />
Very interesting indeed.</p>
<p>For all the media generated from Australia regarding Matt G, he&#8217;s not a bad lad &#8211; still young and a little honing is needed.  Stirling Mortlock (sorry if spelling is incorrect) is a great guy &#8211; one with the right attitude.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t had the privilege of chatting to northern hemisphere players &#8211; but that&#8217;s coming&#8230;  Only Argentina &#8211; also inspirational and interesting.</p>
<p>Let me answer the question indepth further than asked to the best of my ability within the boundaries of my C.O.P.</p>
<p>I am an international I.R.C.A. Lead Auditor with years of experience in many genres &#8211; extremely varied.  As we cover the entire spectrum of business and other genres, we are continuously up to date.  I answer to the I.A.F. in Germany only because of their admirable standards and governance. (I&#8217;m not German&#8230;)</p>
<p>It&#8217;s normal to do a two &#8211; three day stint in investigations which is apart from I.R.C.A. without a break or sleep.  </p>
<p>The rewards are phenomenal in terms of knowledge and experience.</p>
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		<title>By: Wavell Wakefield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wavell Wakefield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 23:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Accusations rolling in? Burger was banned for rolling away? I have very little idea what you&#039;re talking about. Generally I think you tend to contradict yourself, MM, and I think you try and belittle people with nonsensical statements - something that hasn&#039;t gone down all too well recently. That&#039;s unecessary and unfortunate, but I hold no grudges, and apparently neither do others. To quote a wise man you can shove it! Obviously I say that with the best intentions, MM, unless I severely misunderstood you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Accusations rolling in? Burger was banned for rolling away? I have very little idea what you&#8217;re talking about. Generally I think you tend to contradict yourself, MM, and I think you try and belittle people with nonsensical statements &#8211; something that hasn&#8217;t gone down all too well recently. That&#8217;s unecessary and unfortunate, but I hold no grudges, and apparently neither do others. To quote a wise man you can shove it! Obviously I say that with the best intentions, MM, unless I severely misunderstood you?</p>
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		<title>By: pothale</title>
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		<dc:creator>pothale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 23:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MM - can I ask where you are from and what country you support?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MM &#8211; can I ask where you are from and what country you support?</p>
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		<title>By: MM</title>
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		<dc:creator>MM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 23:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wavell - I was about to ask you the same thing - does poetry form part of a rugby forum?  That is my version of what you responded with - not necessarily yours.

It&#039;s not a site to be personal or make enemies - but there is a way to state things - like I have no problem seeing where Pothale is coming from and many others.  It&#039;s not necessary or a prerequisite to be right all the time - we share and we learn more.

Your accusations have been rolling in Wavell - you think I&#039;m cryptic - I don&#039;t - I state the fact without embroidering further on it. 

Perhaps you monitor word for word 24/7 and perfect each statement 100 times (for argument&#039;s sake) before uploading - where I err I admit - if you don&#039;t perfect 100 times before uploading then good for you - and I mean that sincerely.

Your one quote strongly implies as a result of what I have stated, that the ban on Burger (no we&#039;re not pals nor neighbours - surely an example can be used if you do not mind...) that the man got a ban for rolling away - that is not fair play and I do not think that is what this forum is about - do you?

Many pals have been made through assisting with oversights, but where does it get people interested in the same debacle to go into conflict??  

I do not deny that I will discuss to a point - but I do not have to justify my existence and do not ask you or anyone else to.

What may clarify matters is that we are required to be formal and to the point (if that is what you mean as cryptic). To rid of a virtual life-time habit is akin to asking you to change the way you speak Wavell.

I really do not think the backwards / forwards tossing has been of any contributory interest other than entertainment - and I include my own errors.

If you are unable to be human, shake hands albeit you still disagree - little more can be said other than there are no grudges.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wavell &#8211; I was about to ask you the same thing &#8211; does poetry form part of a rugby forum?  That is my version of what you responded with &#8211; not necessarily yours.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not a site to be personal or make enemies &#8211; but there is a way to state things &#8211; like I have no problem seeing where Pothale is coming from and many others.  It&#8217;s not necessary or a prerequisite to be right all the time &#8211; we share and we learn more.</p>
<p>Your accusations have been rolling in Wavell &#8211; you think I&#8217;m cryptic &#8211; I don&#8217;t &#8211; I state the fact without embroidering further on it. </p>
<p>Perhaps you monitor word for word 24/7 and perfect each statement 100 times (for argument&#8217;s sake) before uploading &#8211; where I err I admit &#8211; if you don&#8217;t perfect 100 times before uploading then good for you &#8211; and I mean that sincerely.</p>
<p>Your one quote strongly implies as a result of what I have stated, that the ban on Burger (no we&#8217;re not pals nor neighbours &#8211; surely an example can be used if you do not mind&#8230;) that the man got a ban for rolling away &#8211; that is not fair play and I do not think that is what this forum is about &#8211; do you?</p>
<p>Many pals have been made through assisting with oversights, but where does it get people interested in the same debacle to go into conflict??  </p>
<p>I do not deny that I will discuss to a point &#8211; but I do not have to justify my existence and do not ask you or anyone else to.</p>
<p>What may clarify matters is that we are required to be formal and to the point (if that is what you mean as cryptic). To rid of a virtual life-time habit is akin to asking you to change the way you speak Wavell.</p>
<p>I really do not think the backwards / forwards tossing has been of any contributory interest other than entertainment &#8211; and I include my own errors.</p>
<p>If you are unable to be human, shake hands albeit you still disagree &#8211; little more can be said other than there are no grudges.</p>
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		<title>By: Wavell Wakefield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wavell Wakefield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 22:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Such a declaration is unecessary and unfortunate, MM. Be more definitive; coming across as harsh, plain ignorant and just stupid is just that - but where else is there room for such analysis but on a rugby forum? Live it - and then comment. Right? Nothing complicated about that. I don&#039;t tell you what to shove, don&#039;t tell it to me, especially where substantive evidence is lacking. You have erred here. You could play the ball, but then what evidence is there that playing the ball is necessary and even possible, and without considering verbatim responses - who cares? Add to the thread, but no not add to the thread in the manner of cynicism and overt crudity. One could consider racism as a core tenet of such a response, it certainly would be naive to suggest otherwise. Whos zooming who though? The evidence is out there - enjoy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Such a declaration is unecessary and unfortunate, MM. Be more definitive; coming across as harsh, plain ignorant and just stupid is just that &#8211; but where else is there room for such analysis but on a rugby forum? Live it &#8211; and then comment. Right? Nothing complicated about that. I don&#8217;t tell you what to shove, don&#8217;t tell it to me, especially where substantive evidence is lacking. You have erred here. You could play the ball, but then what evidence is there that playing the ball is necessary and even possible, and without considering verbatim responses &#8211; who cares? Add to the thread, but no not add to the thread in the manner of cynicism and overt crudity. One could consider racism as a core tenet of such a response, it certainly would be naive to suggest otherwise. Whos zooming who though? The evidence is out there &#8211; enjoy.</p>
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		<title>By: MM</title>
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		<dc:creator>MM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 22:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Listen mate,

Take your pumpkins, seeds and Mayan &quot;whatever&quot; and shove them!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Listen mate,</p>
<p>Take your pumpkins, seeds and Mayan &#8220;whatever&#8221; and shove them!</p>
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		<title>By: Wavell Wakefield</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/12/20/dupuy-six-month-gouging-ban-is-anti-french-fume-stade/comment-page-1/#comment-273758</link>
		<dc:creator>Wavell Wakefield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 22:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clearly not as much as you like to hear the sound of your own contradictory, lucid and erratic non-factual statements/finger typing, my man.. or MM. However, what substantive evidence do I have to make that statement?

I would assume that you would care regarding the Burger case simply because you commented on the issue. Why would somebody spend their free time commenting on something to which they lacked an opinion? How bizarre. Personally I am very curious as to how a player would be banned for moving off another player, but then I guess philosophical sporting insights aren&#039;t my speciality as they are yours. (P.S. Responding verbatim isn&#039;t realistic. That would mean somebody would simply copy and paste the initial comments.)

I&#039;m sorry that things have turned awry for you. Perhaps the seeds sown by the butterfly will one day fruit into a mighty tub of butter etc. If they don&#039;t then the Mayan pumpkin has surely greyed a shade of molten. But then the otter only crows at midnight, eh. Peace be present in your trouser pleat and may your shoes be knotted in the manor of necessity and vitality.

P.S. (ii) How do disasters happen when events aren&#039;t recorded when such evidence is inherently flawed (as you stated in a prior post)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clearly not as much as you like to hear the sound of your own contradictory, lucid and erratic non-factual statements/finger typing, my man.. or MM. However, what substantive evidence do I have to make that statement?</p>
<p>I would assume that you would care regarding the Burger case simply because you commented on the issue. Why would somebody spend their free time commenting on something to which they lacked an opinion? How bizarre. Personally I am very curious as to how a player would be banned for moving off another player, but then I guess philosophical sporting insights aren&#8217;t my speciality as they are yours. (P.S. Responding verbatim isn&#8217;t realistic. That would mean somebody would simply copy and paste the initial comments.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry that things have turned awry for you. Perhaps the seeds sown by the butterfly will one day fruit into a mighty tub of butter etc. If they don&#8217;t then the Mayan pumpkin has surely greyed a shade of molten. But then the otter only crows at midnight, eh. Peace be present in your trouser pleat and may your shoes be knotted in the manor of necessity and vitality.</p>
<p>P.S. (ii) How do disasters happen when events aren&#8217;t recorded when such evidence is inherently flawed (as you stated in a prior post)?</p>
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		<title>By: MM</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/12/20/dupuy-six-month-gouging-ban-is-anti-french-fume-stade/comment-page-1/#comment-273750</link>
		<dc:creator>MM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 22:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pothale - despite stating nothing further would be said, you are correct in that it was not two cases of video footage - one case of footage - another of photos.  I do state clearly that disasters do happen where all is not recorded obviously.  Unfortunately, I am not at lib to state the body I represent - if you would like to skin me for that - fine - but we adhere to our C.O.P strictly which is all I&#039;m going to say on that with respect.  Looking at some of the posts - being delusional might not be a bad state of mind.  Obviously we are not agreeing on the live footage aspect - nothing says we have to and it should be respected.  In the second case of &quot;offending player&quot; in the Bruger incident - it should have been &quot;offended player&quot;.  

I never have a problem owning up or apologising - but the last grammatical error, was taken advantage of by W..W..I note.

Wavell, you like to hear your own voice - and anybody stupid enough to respond verbatim to your non-factual statement w.r.t. the Burger case - who cares?  What was the period of his banning?  And why?

You be the judge W.. W

Cheers and enjoy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pothale &#8211; despite stating nothing further would be said, you are correct in that it was not two cases of video footage &#8211; one case of footage &#8211; another of photos.  I do state clearly that disasters do happen where all is not recorded obviously.  Unfortunately, I am not at lib to state the body I represent &#8211; if you would like to skin me for that &#8211; fine &#8211; but we adhere to our C.O.P strictly which is all I&#8217;m going to say on that with respect.  Looking at some of the posts &#8211; being delusional might not be a bad state of mind.  Obviously we are not agreeing on the live footage aspect &#8211; nothing says we have to and it should be respected.  In the second case of &#8220;offending player&#8221; in the Bruger incident &#8211; it should have been &#8220;offended player&#8221;.  </p>
<p>I never have a problem owning up or apologising &#8211; but the last grammatical error, was taken advantage of by W..W..I note.</p>
<p>Wavell, you like to hear your own voice &#8211; and anybody stupid enough to respond verbatim to your non-factual statement w.r.t. the Burger case &#8211; who cares?  What was the period of his banning?  And why?</p>
<p>You be the judge W.. W</p>
<p>Cheers and enjoy!</p>
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		<title>By: Wavell Wakefield</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/12/20/dupuy-six-month-gouging-ban-is-anti-french-fume-stade/comment-page-1/#comment-273723</link>
		<dc:creator>Wavell Wakefield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 20:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;The “offended” player was virtually on top of Burger with the frames showing clearly that Burger was trying to move away as much as the “offending” player decided to do. Based on substantive and conclusive evidence South African’s Burger was given a lighter penalty.&#039;

Why would a player receive a ban for attempting to move his body?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;The “offended” player was virtually on top of Burger with the frames showing clearly that Burger was trying to move away as much as the “offending” player decided to do. Based on substantive and conclusive evidence South African’s Burger was given a lighter penalty.&#8217;</p>
<p>Why would a player receive a ban for attempting to move his body?</p>
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		<title>By: pothale</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/12/20/dupuy-six-month-gouging-ban-is-anti-french-fume-stade/comment-page-3/#comment-273702</link>
		<dc:creator>pothale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 17:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fraid not W2 - English production company with Irish director, Declan Lowney - not me.</description>
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		<title>By: Wavell Wakefield</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/12/20/dupuy-six-month-gouging-ban-is-anti-french-fume-stade/comment-page-2/#comment-273691</link>
		<dc:creator>Wavell Wakefield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 15:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pothale, after all those Father Ted jokes make my day and tell me you were involved in the production/direction of the Craggy Island sagas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pothale, after all those Father Ted jokes make my day and tell me you were involved in the production/direction of the Craggy Island sagas.</p>
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		<title>By: pothale</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/12/20/dupuy-six-month-gouging-ban-is-anti-french-fume-stade/comment-page-1/#comment-273685</link>
		<dc:creator>pothale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 15:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MM

I didn&#039;t cite two cases of video footage.  I cited one - Dupuy&#039;s case.  Read the posts again.

You&#039;re talking nonsense about this professional body - you&#039;re deluding yourself.

tossing my salad?   Do you even know what this expression means?

On-board studios is not a technical term in the broadcast industry that I have ever come across having worked in it for over 20 years.

I have both produced and directed TV programmes so I do know what I&#039;m talking about.

It&#039;s not impossible for the angle to have been covered if the camera weren&#039;t pointed at the incident since the ball had moved on in play.

The fact that you haven&#039;t even looked at the footage or a the stills speaks volumes.

What kick in the groin to Bakkies Botha was there in the Lions test?  Which test are you referring to?

Or are you just talking complete nonsense at this point?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MM</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t cite two cases of video footage.  I cited one &#8211; Dupuy&#8217;s case.  Read the posts again.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re talking nonsense about this professional body &#8211; you&#8217;re deluding yourself.</p>
<p>tossing my salad?   Do you even know what this expression means?</p>
<p>On-board studios is not a technical term in the broadcast industry that I have ever come across having worked in it for over 20 years.</p>
<p>I have both produced and directed TV programmes so I do know what I&#8217;m talking about.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not impossible for the angle to have been covered if the camera weren&#8217;t pointed at the incident since the ball had moved on in play.</p>
<p>The fact that you haven&#8217;t even looked at the footage or a the stills speaks volumes.</p>
<p>What kick in the groin to Bakkies Botha was there in the Lions test?  Which test are you referring to?</p>
<p>Or are you just talking complete nonsense at this point?</p>
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		<title>By: Wavell Wakefield</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/12/20/dupuy-six-month-gouging-ban-is-anti-french-fume-stade/comment-page-1/#comment-273665</link>
		<dc:creator>Wavell Wakefield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 13:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Anybody who has been in the studio working with the incoming footage from many cameras knows that virtually nothing is missed as all cameras are directed to focus as tasked.&#039;

Surely a conclusion, MM?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Anybody who has been in the studio working with the incoming footage from many cameras knows that virtually nothing is missed as all cameras are directed to focus as tasked.&#8217;</p>
<p>Surely a conclusion, MM?</p>
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		<title>By: Wavell Wakefield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wavell Wakefield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 13:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I stated that the Botha incident was hugely significant. It is hugely significant, however apparently not significant enough to merit any media coverage whatsover. Please provide me with a link, substantive evidence is necessary - although, as aforementioned, I am curious how you could sugges that the incident ever occurred given your post-modern stance that makes such proof (i.e. substantive evidence) non-existant? Also, given that I didn&#039;t imply that anybody else had confirmed the significance of the alleged incident I would ask you that you don&#039;t put words into any person&#039;s mouth.

&#039;Second question: the answer is in the last response.&#039;

This is not an answer - strangely enough it is simply a strange collection of words that have no relationship with the question that elicited them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stated that the Botha incident was hugely significant. It is hugely significant, however apparently not significant enough to merit any media coverage whatsover. Please provide me with a link, substantive evidence is necessary &#8211; although, as aforementioned, I am curious how you could sugges that the incident ever occurred given your post-modern stance that makes such proof (i.e. substantive evidence) non-existant? Also, given that I didn&#8217;t imply that anybody else had confirmed the significance of the alleged incident I would ask you that you don&#8217;t put words into any person&#8217;s mouth.</p>
<p>&#8216;Second question: the answer is in the last response.&#8217;</p>
<p>This is not an answer &#8211; strangely enough it is simply a strange collection of words that have no relationship with the question that elicited them.</p>
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		<title>By: MM</title>
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		<dc:creator>MM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 12:50:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I make no attempt at talking cryptically - it is your viewpoint and you&#039;re entitled to it.

Who stated the Botha incident was &quot;hugely significant&quot;??

Don&#039;t put words into any person&#039;s mouth.  If I wanted to provide links I would have - they are there to find.

Enjoy.

Obviously the response is the one on which you based your questions - strangely enough.

It is suffice to say that there has been sufficient debate and no more is being entered into irrespective of what is said further.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I make no attempt at talking cryptically &#8211; it is your viewpoint and you&#8217;re entitled to it.</p>
<p>Who stated the Botha incident was &#8220;hugely significant&#8221;??</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t put words into any person&#8217;s mouth.  If I wanted to provide links I would have &#8211; they are there to find.</p>
<p>Enjoy.</p>
<p>Obviously the response is the one on which you based your questions &#8211; strangely enough.</p>
<p>It is suffice to say that there has been sufficient debate and no more is being entered into irrespective of what is said further.</p>
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		<title>By: Wavell Wakefield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wavell Wakefield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 12:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The attempt to talk cryptically only serves to undermine what point/s you are attempting to define, MM - something that others have noted. What last response, and what response to whom? Also, I would ask you to humour me and provide me a link so that I can verify that Botha was indeed kicked in the genitals. I would be most grateful given that it is clearly a hugely significant incident.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The attempt to talk cryptically only serves to undermine what point/s you are attempting to define, MM &#8211; something that others have noted. What last response, and what response to whom? Also, I would ask you to humour me and provide me a link so that I can verify that Botha was indeed kicked in the genitals. I would be most grateful given that it is clearly a hugely significant incident.</p>
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		<title>By: MM</title>
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		<dc:creator>MM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 12:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wavell

Am I the one you should be asking as to why you haven&#039;t heard of the incident?  I doubt.  I am neither the first and only to know of it.

Second question: the answer is in the last response.

None of your lengthy posts thank you as I&#039;ll also need to be an insomniac to drawl through them albeit you have provided some great links and points.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wavell</p>
<p>Am I the one you should be asking as to why you haven&#8217;t heard of the incident?  I doubt.  I am neither the first and only to know of it.</p>
<p>Second question: the answer is in the last response.</p>
<p>None of your lengthy posts thank you as I&#8217;ll also need to be an insomniac to drawl through them albeit you have provided some great links and points.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Wavell Wakefield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 12:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are the first person to offer that Bakkies Botha was kicked in the groin during the BIL series, MM. Where is your evidence and why have I not heard of this incident through the media? Also, how can you assert that he was kicked when essentially your post-modern stance makes redundant the validity of visual &#039;proof&#039;?&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are the first person to offer that Bakkies Botha was kicked in the groin during the BIL series, MM. Where is your evidence and why have I not heard of this incident through the media? Also, how can you assert that he was kicked when essentially your post-modern stance makes redundant the validity of visual &#8216;proof&#8217;?&#8217;</p>
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