By Nick the Rooster -
December 24th 2009 @ 3:41am
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If I was Gallen, I’d be very pissed too
Paul Gallen might be a lot of things – he’s been called a grub, a racist and a thug. But you’ve got to feel a bit sorry for him in this case. He’s lost $10,000 for doing what thousands of other men do every Friday and Saturday night.
The media attention on players is absolutely ridiculous, and if it doesn’t ease off soon, it’s going to cause long term damage to rugby league in Australia.
I agree he did the wrong thing.
He was dealt with by the authorities, as anyone else would. However, most other people wouldn’t have been fined $10,000 by their employer for it.
So who is to blame? The media, of course. Why would they think that I want to read about Paul Gallen being arrested for taking a piss? Is that really news?
The worst part about it is that, had the media not been involved, he never would have been fined. The club only takes action to appease the sponsors, whose name is tarnished by the reports in the media.
Think about it: if an NRL player pisses in the street and there is nobody there to report on it, does it actually happen?
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rich1612 said | December 24th 2009 @ 7:38am | Report comment
In the end these guys have to lift their game.
Too much of this rubbish goes on and it should be stopped, back the administrators and in time the players will learn, but it will take time and often unfair penalties.
Jameswm said | December 24th 2009 @ 7:42am | Report comment
I’m afraid it’s simple – don’t go out and get pissed. They just can’t stop themselves, though.
If you want to get pissed, have a party at home. Problem with that is there’s no one to look at to see if they’re looking at you and know who you are.
King of the Gorganites said | December 24th 2009 @ 8:10am | Report comment
i didnt follow this story. what did he actually do?
Master Blaster said | December 24th 2009 @ 10:27am | Report comment
You found the obscure Motu Tony story without any difficulty.
Mushi said | December 24th 2009 @ 8:19am | Report comment
Actually nick he’s in show biz he’s paid hundreds of thousands of dollars not because he can tackle or run the ball but because of the entertainment he provides to the public, the willingness for us to pay money/sit in front of ads to watch him, and the value sponsors ascribe to having him associated with himself or his team.
If my job entailed that and I was in the paper doing something which could jeopardise any of the above then yes I would expect my pay to decrease as the value I deliver is reduced.
Don’t like it? Don’t accept the hundreds of thousands and then live a normal life playing park football.
Also when was the last time you took a slash “in clsoe proximity to a man lying on the ground”?
Mark Young said | December 28th 2009 @ 9:19am | Report comment
Mushi I couldn’t have said it any better myself. Spot on.
Nick the Rooster said | January 5th 2010 @ 11:16am | Report comment
Mushi…….. I’m sorry but you’re wrong. He’s not in showbiz. He doesn’t act, sing or dance. He’s an athlete who plays at the top level of a sport which happens to be televised.
What a lot of people forget is that these guys are just ordinary guys, who usually aren’t too bright. Most of them are brought in from country towns, handed a wad of cash, and made to spend most of their time with other guys brought in from the country who have been handed a wad of cash, and then told to behave like choir boys. Its like lighting a stick of dynamite and complaining when it explodes.
The clubs and the league need to work harder on protecting these guys rather than letting them piss their careers up the wall.
Master Blaster said | December 24th 2009 @ 8:23am | Report comment
The problem for NRL and AFL and ARU footballers is that not only will you be punished by the laws of the land, but you will also be fined by your employer. In many cases you won’t even be charged, but will still be fined by your club. Most other Australians don’t suffer that treatment, nor the scrutiny.
Its also obvious that the various state police forces will no longer give footballers any leeway, for fear of the police themselves being ripped apart by the media for giving footballers an easier ride. The result is that footballers are treated worse than almost all Australians.
Of course, knowing all of that, why Carlton players would run amok on a boat cruise & the melbourne streets, and why Quade Cooper, Gallen, Friend etc, would take the the risk, is bewildering and stupid.
MarkR said | December 24th 2009 @ 9:23am | Report comment
MB – “footballers are treated worse than any Australians”.
Why – because they’re accountable to the law ? even the Police are accountable for their actions under the law. Or because their employer holds them accoutnable for their public behaviour ? If I get a criminal conviction I’m fired, no ifs buts or maybes & I’m not even a cop just an IT geek.
The rubbish some players have been allowed to get away with for so long because they’re ’special’ is the reason for this bulls**t persecution complex some of them or their supporters have. The message to footballers in all codes is consistent & simple – Grow up & accept accountability for your actions.
If you don’t like getting fined by your club for committing a criminal offence even if you’re not charged then get another job & play club footy.
If you don’t like being tested for recreational jobs, get a different career & pay club footy.
If you don’t like being held accountable for your actions through a code of conduct, get the picture ??
Master Blaster said | December 24th 2009 @ 10:32am | Report comment
Good for you. Why should footballers be treated differently to everyone else? FFS, they are just footballers, not politicians or brain surgeons.
Does your employer fine you for committing any supposed moral misdemeanour, even if you’re not charged?
Does your employer test you for recreational drugs anytime of the day or night? Make you pee in a bottle in the work toilet?
Redb said | December 24th 2009 @ 10:44am | Report comment
“Does your employer test you for recreational drugs anytime of the day or night? Make you pee in a bottle in the work toilet?”
Matter of fact yes it does even in an office environment. Not happy about it but thems the rules. (fitness for work policy which includes alcohol and drug testing)
The media no doubt seize on any story and blow out of proportion – Footy stars are fodder for the celebrity tabloid treatment that we see every day.
But, they are high paid high profile members of the communtity who should in the main know better. Most sporting clubs throw a lot of money and time (programs) at trying to educate these people. It is only the minority who stuff up but unlike 10 or 20 years ago they’re hardly ignorant of their responsiblities and the media focus on them and the club they represent.
The latest Carlton player antics will not only cost them on the field if they have to sack players but also in memberhip, sponsor unrest,etc The money the players are paid is a result of the sporting economy of which they are a part.
We can forgive a 19 or 20 year old first time offender who has too much to drink but some of these blokes are in their mid 20s and older – time to grow up or face the consequences.
Redb
Master Blaster said | December 24th 2009 @ 10:50am | Report comment
Good you for Redb, but in the great majority of Australian workplaces the employees don’t get tested.
Sponsors bailing out is because the sporting bodies of this country have built this ridiculous scenario where the media can belt them up. They should have stood firm years ago and said that we are here to run a football club or competition, we’re not here to fix society’s moral issues, and if one of our players is charged, the police and the Courts will resolve that.
Redb said | December 24th 2009 @ 10:57am | Report comment
MB,
That just ignores the reality of ‘image’ importance.
Apart from a traffic offence has Tiger Woods commited a crime?
His sponsors have jumped or put him in the bottom drawer becuase they dont want their product associated with a tarnished image.
Redb
MarkR said | December 24th 2009 @ 10:45am | Report comment
“supposed moral misdemeanour” = you are kidding aren’t you ??
BTW – I’m a role model to my kids NOT to the 10’s of 1000s who follow a specific sporting code. They get paid to be high profile & are expected to behave well in public. Their contract has what’s acceptable, if they choose to ignore it mnore fool them. Most do well, some undortunately can’t.
If I was in the Armed Forces or Police I could be tested & fired for recreational drugs, if they bought it into my workplace I’d have a choice of changing jobs/careers or being clean.
Master Blaster said | December 24th 2009 @ 10:56am | Report comment
Footballers aren’t in the armed forces or police. The job footballers do is to entertain us on the football field, not to judge other people wiith a clear head and then if called upon, to shoot someone wth a steady eye and hand.
“supposed moral misdemeanour” for example would include being drunk on a boat cruise. Like there aren’t 1000s of Australians who moments ago at Noon just began to kick off their afternoon office Christmas party and will walk the streets around 4pm to a bus or taxi or train drunk. In fact, the Police tell us to use public transport if we are drunk — so being drunk in public is hardly uncommon.
Central North said | December 24th 2009 @ 10:49am | Report comment
Is your employer a highly publicised and widely followed organisation whose reputation relies larely on the conduct and behaviour of its employees?
Does your company stand to lose significant financial investment from external sources every time one of your employees disgraces him or herself in public?
Like it or not, football clubs stand to lose plenty in situations like this. Why shouldn’t they try to minimise future damage by taking action against their well paid employees, who really should understand the environment they work in and should know the risk of any mistake, no matter how minor?
Footballers might be dumber than politicians. But they are arguably more likely to gain media coverage in good times and bad. The public hoovers shit like this up, which builds revenues for the media companies. Which means every indiscretion will continue to be reported. Footballers know this and they still get into trouble. Surely they see the link and don’t want to become the next statistic?
It’s not about what’s fair. It’s about what’s realistic. And if you f**k up, you know you’re going to be in tomorrow’s paper and all over online. So surely you avoid these risks?
In the case of Paul Gallen, and the hundreds who have gone before him, clearly not..
sheek said | December 24th 2009 @ 8:46pm | Report comment
Well, let’s not bring politicians into it, they’re not any better.
But brain surgeons, or any surgeons who save lives, that’s something to aspire to…..
jmo said | December 24th 2009 @ 8:48am | Report comment
Classic philosophy in the last line, Socrates would have been proud of that one.
When ya really gotta go ya really gotta go! Sometimes a piss is worth every cent of $10,000 …
…assuming you have it to splash around
Lisa said | December 24th 2009 @ 8:48am | Report comment
I agree Nick, The media is to blame, however, so are the people in charge at Cronulla, the club that I have supported for 30 years.
The Club wants to reconnect with the fans, well they can start by supporting their players, stop bending over and copping from a bunch of lowlifes who make money from peoples errors in life, (lowlifes like Magnay and friends).
What good does it do to cut a player from a club like Greg Bird, only to see him back playeing with an opposition team,
What good has it done to strip Gallen of the captaincy for a heated exchange with Micky Paea on the field of a tough mans sport, ( Grow some Balls Paea, or go play marbles)
And what bloody good has it done for fining Gallen $10K for taking a leak.
SWEET FA!!!
You bent over and copped it again Cronulla, the media has got you people scared and after 30 years of support the club I love, I have finally given up on you and am expecting us to get the spoon in 2010,
Central North said | December 24th 2009 @ 10:14am | Report comment
Grow some balls? So Mickey Paea deserved to be racially slurred? And because it’s a “tough mans sport”, it’s OK to call someone a black c**t? Racial vilification has no business anywhere in society, be it at Shark Park or North Cronulla beach.
I think after losing a CEO, a major sponsor, numerous backroom staff, leaking money like a sieve, AND losing a player like Greg Bird – who it must be said after what came out at his appeal had he handled things better in the very beginning he may never have left – the club has had enough and has to take a stand each and every time it is shamed in public.
Pinging a repeat offender 10k for a “minor” indescretion is fair enough in my book. Maybe it’ll make him wake up to himself.
san jorge said | December 25th 2009 @ 10:26pm | Report comment
Lisa, Gallen racially abused another player and Bird was found guilty of a crime…yes his conviction was overturned on appeal but there was obviously enough evidence for the first judge to be convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that the assault had occured.
Pete said | December 26th 2009 @ 3:14pm | Report comment
are the media really to blame? they only print it because the wider public read it… and then we write about it on sites like this. Its a two way street, they won’t publish it if no one wants to read it… but who stops first, does the media stop printing it or do we stop reading…
All in all, it comes down to the players… stop behaving like morons. If you don’t like the downside of the limelight, go any play country footy and find another job. How hard is it to restrain yourself and not piss near someone’s head or break into a house?Many of us would give our right arm to have the talent you have and play in the competitions you do. … on reflection, don’t know how effective I’d be if I gave my right arm away.
Springs said | December 26th 2009 @ 4:24pm | Report comment
The public buy the papers no matter what the stories are. I don’t think the public writes in saying that they want to know the latest rugby league scandals, maybe readers of womens magazines do. The papers realise a lot of the public are interested in sports so they think we want to hear our game trashed at every opportunity.
If players play coutry footy they will still be scrutinised. Craig Field was involved in a scandal about a robbery, has been ot of the pro scene for about five years.
Hayden said | December 27th 2009 @ 1:34pm | Report comment
Cheer up Lisa. I’m pretty sure it’ll be the Warriors who get the spoon in ‘10.
Central North said | December 24th 2009 @ 9:16am | Report comment
Please. Just because “thousands of other men do it”, doesn’t make it right. And don’t start on the media bashing. As mushi said, Gallen is very well paid to be in the public eye because he is a very good footballer. Like it or not, taking the cash means having to live by a higher set of behavioural standards.
Many footballers in this country earn more in a year than the prime minister. You think if old K.Rudd got caught having a leak anywhere in public it WOULDN’T be big news? Of course it would. Just because footballers behaving badly sells newspapers, don’t think for a second that if any other type of high profile public figure did the same thing they wouldn’t get hammered by the media as well.
Brent Read wrote a very good article in yesterday’s Australian about this case. It hits the mark perfectly. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sport/throw-bitter-shark-overboard/story-e6frg7t6-1225812945186
The media gets a bad wrap in these kind of cases because people think that for some reason highly paid footballers should have the right to live their lives in some kind of relative anonymity. But you can’t have it both ways. You can’t take the attention and adulation – from fans and media alike – on the field, then expect that same degree of attention to go away when you stuff up off it. In this day and age you know what you’re in for when you sign that big contract. And it means no longer being able to mess up on or off the field. Gallen just seems not to get it..
Hansie said | December 24th 2009 @ 9:20am | Report comment
I assume this article is taking the piss.
Matt S said | December 24th 2009 @ 10:00am | Report comment
5 Carlton players have been in trouble with the law or made public nuisances of themsleves over a couple of days. Where is The Australian’s expose on a club in crisis? Where are the reports on The Today Show or Sunrise? While Paul Galllen, being refused entry to two establishments to have a piss, then goes to an alley, gets national coverage. I’d be ‘peaved’ as well.
Mushi said | December 24th 2009 @ 10:12am | Report comment
So if someone took a leak on your head you’d say – that’s okay mate
MarkR said | December 24th 2009 @ 10:04am | Report comment
matt S c- read the Age, plenty of coverage in the AFL paper. Why would the Australian report this ? kind’ve like expecting the Age to report on Gallen.
Hansie – I wish it was…….
Master Blaster said | December 24th 2009 @ 10:35am | Report comment
The Australian is a national paper.
MarkR said | December 24th 2009 @ 10:40am | Report comment
Correction – it’s a Sydney paper with a focus on NRL not AFL. Very rare to see The Australian being read on Melbourne, most people who don’t read the HS will read The Age instead.
Master Blaster said | December 24th 2009 @ 10:44am | Report comment
Correction. It covers the NRL much less than the Telegraph & Herald, and gives more AFL than the Telegraph and Herald. I will concede that it loves RU more than the NRL and AFL.
The Australian ripped into the Sharks during the season, and should be doing the same to Carlton if it was consistent. Then again, that criticism could be applied to just about every media outlet in Australia, couldn’t it.
sheek said | December 24th 2009 @ 9:37pm | Report comment
MarkR,
Master Blaster is correct. The Australian is the national newspaper covering events in every state & territory, including sport.
Most people in Melbourne will read the Age (I presume); in Sydney’s it’s the Daily Telegraph ( a mostly useless paper); in Brisbane it’s the Courier-Mail; in Perth, it’s the Westralian & in Adelaide it’s the Advertiser; & so on.
Most of the state capital dailies are cannon-fodder rubbish, which shouldn’t bear any resemblance to their popularity, nonetheless.
But this doesn’t distract from the fact The Australian is the national paper, & read by people who generally think & care!!!
Redb said | December 24th 2009 @ 10:53am | Report comment
Mark R,
that is my observation as well.
‘The Australian’ is based in Sydney and is barely relevant in Melbourne.
The Carlton story is massive news in the Herald Sun (Blues Booze Cruise – page 3 today) and the AGE, Paul Gallen has barely got a mention in Melb.
Redb
MarkR said | December 24th 2009 @ 10:55am | Report comment
RedB – but I’m arguning with a Leaguie…I’m always going to lose, kind’ve like playing the Welsh, you can nver win only score more points……
merry Xmas all
Redb said | December 24th 2009 @ 10:58am | Report comment
cheers
Karlos said | December 24th 2009 @ 5:10pm | Report comment
Could you tell me why The Australian gives more space to the AFL then it does to the NRL (turn that around if it is bad news) when it is barely relevant in Melbourne?
This is what I reckon. The Australian is a bit more snobby than the average paper and hence it is THE flagbearer for the ARU. The ARU hates Rugby League more than they hate the AFL, therefore The Australian is biased against the NRL and that means the AFL is let off the hook.
Sports head honcho is Patrick bloody Smith and he is a Melbournite and an AFL stooge who puts the boot into RL far harder and longer for lesser crimes than those perpetrated by AFL players. Like his ridiculous attack on the man on man SOO fight this year as opposed to his lack of venom when the aussie (small a becuase they didn’t act like Aussies) AFL thugs who beat the crap out of part time GAA footballers and thought it a great joke as did Sheedy. Like the assaults on women this year when AFL players were fouind guilty as opposed to Greg Bird and probably Inglis (wait on that one) who were found innocent.
Take that to another level and realise very few working class people get to go to uni and gain positions of power where they can spruik their biases as much as they like, but there are plenty from the middle class in particular and those at the top end who can spruik what they want and they do this via the media. The AFL has not had to put up with this as has Rugby League. Ther are a couple reasons why there is a media bias against Rugby League everywhere Union is played (except perhaps NG) including Australia.
bever fever said | December 24th 2009 @ 7:46pm | Report comment
“Sports head honcho is Patrick bloody Smith and he is a Melbournite”
You make it sound like soddomite.
I thought it was Melburnian.
At any rate i take it your not a fan of the Australian game, good to see you are even handed.
sheek said | December 24th 2009 @ 9:42pm | Report comment
Redb,
My understanding is that The Australian bought in Melbourne will contain some local content not found elsewhere. The paper has some editorial control in each major capital city. Each capital city has its own editorial staff.
For example, during the winter months, Melbourne, Adelaide & Perth editions of The Australian will carry more AFL content, while Sydney & Brisbane will carry more NRL content. Not much, but enough to acknowledge the different levels of support.
sheek said | December 24th 2009 @ 9:48pm | Report comment
No Scott,
We’ve all done a piss in a public place at one point in our lives. Gallen should have realised that as a public person, he didn’t have the same leeway as the rest of us. He should at least tried to be more discrete.
I haven’t pissed in a public place for over 25 years (unless surrounded by lots & lots of trees & bushes), so I like to think I’ve matured, & also come to understand better the signals my body sends to me.
At the end of the day, try to apply some practical common sense.
Punter said | December 24th 2009 @ 10:46am | Report comment
Thats what I thought too.
Bottom line is that high profile people are more scrutinised these days than say 30 years ago. These people need to understand that. I don’t Jack Nicklaus’s private life was played out in public like Tiger Woods.
MarkR said | December 24th 2009 @ 10:50am | Report comment
Punter – similar to Bill CLinton vs John F K….& what happens to the royals in the UK.
Billy McClure said | December 24th 2009 @ 10:57am | Report comment
So because other guys are grubs for pissing in public its okay for anyone to do so. I don’t do that. If Gallen is stupid enough to not get it by now than he deserves the fine and shame. Rugby League would end up being a third rate sport in the next few years if the players don’t pull their heads in – surley its not that hard to be a little proffessional and stay out of the papers for the wrong reasons. Every week there is not just one incedent but 2 or 3 its crap for the fans. Articles like this do nothing to help the game.
Master Blaster said | December 24th 2009 @ 11:14am | Report comment
This whole debate proves one thing — Australians generally don’t think too deep. From the footballers who commit these “crimes”, to the Australian public who lap up stories about misbehaving footballers and the odd cricketer.
In a month where Rudd slinks back into Australia after his failed climate change talkfest, and then covertly relocates aslyum seekers from Christmas Is to Melbourne, just to name 2 examples, the biggest stories chased by our nation’s media are in pursuit of boozed up AFL, NRL and ARU footballers.
Obviously all Australians care about is football. They don’t necessarily think these players should be punished, but they do enjoy watching and reading about it.
Our football codes have turned into reality tv shows.
jimbo said | December 24th 2009 @ 11:44am | Report comment
The NRL was headed for a fairly ordinary season this year, till the Matty Johns gangbang hit the news, then Bird glassing his bird and so on and the NRL season turned around dramatically.
Crowds went up, rating went up and the Telegraph sold lots more newspapers.
This is not criticism of the game or players, but it reflects the society we live in and the fact that any publicity is good for the people that run the game.
Get ready for another Telegraph back page season of drunken brawls, pissing in the street, rapes, gangbangs, bashing wives and girlfriends and desperate clubs snapping up the bad boys after they have been kicked out of a rival team.
Karlos said | December 24th 2009 @ 5:21pm | Report comment
The way Matty Johns was treated and his family and the presumption of guilt against Bird makes people angry about a lack of consistency in the media and they want to support these people. That is a reflection of society. One rule for one and another rule for another. People don’t like it. Australia was the country of “The fair go”, but our media has sold us out on this.
I took a women to hospital the other night after she fell over pissed and hurt herself and the glares I got from hospital staff let me know a little of what Bird and others have to put up with.
jimbo said | December 24th 2009 @ 9:31pm | Report comment
I don’t think these guys are being unfairly accused – Johns admitted his sins but wouldn’t name names. Gallon pleaded guilty.
Bird initially tried to lie and said it was his flatmate that glassed his girlfriend and then changed his story that she tripped and fell hitting his glass with her head. Bird is a steroids junkie and is prone to violent outbursts.
He is just lucky that he has a doormat for a girl friend who was kind enough to change her story so that he could get out of jail.
Or do you honestly think his girlfriend tripped over and her head fell onto his beer glass?
Mick from Giralang said | December 25th 2009 @ 5:40am | Report comment
JIimbo. Absolutely not true…the game’s ratings, crowds etc were on the way up from the early rounds. It can be argued the game flourished DESPITE the coverage of poor behaviour.
Mushi said | December 29th 2009 @ 8:23am | Report comment
Yes it is us who don’t “think to deep” and not the guy who can’t see why actions which affect public perception should effect careers that are reliant on public perception.
If you want to read about the other news stories regarding national interests and politics then I suggest you start at the front page, not the back page of the paper or buy something other than the tele.
Rocky said | December 24th 2009 @ 11:33am | Report comment
You’re guilty of a bit of overstatement yourself Nick. I agree the media are in the very nasty habit of beating things up at the expense of the truth but Paul Gallen was fined $5,000 and a further $5,000 suspended unless/until he mucks up again. So he hasn’t lost $10,000 he’s lost $5,000.
ScottWoodward.me said | December 24th 2009 @ 12:15pm | Report comment
Rocky
I am not sure what tax bracket he is on, but the 5 large comes from his kick after he has paid tax to earn it. So its 5k plus tax.
jameswm said | December 24th 2009 @ 7:48pm | Report comment
Scott
Maybe you should read what Rocky said again.
And it’s pretty obvious what tax bracket Gallen is in.
sheek said | December 24th 2009 @ 9:03pm | Report comment
1. Paul Gallen is an adult.
2. God gave Gallen, like all of us, the ability to make choices.
3. Gallen is a public figure, which carries both responsibilities & burdens.
4. If Gallen wanted a piss, he should have thought more of the consequences, & been more discrete.
Gawd, us humans are pathetic. We come up with all sorts of excuses for all sorts of behaviour.
Anyone ever heard of accepting RESPONSIBILITY for your own actions????????????????????
ScottWoodward.me said | December 24th 2009 @ 9:19pm | Report comment
I have to be honest and own up!
I was busting through the week and there were no toilets in sight so I found a friendly tree.
Even though I were busting, I would not have even looked for a tree had I been a high profile footy player.
Jump in the car and wet your pants, but risking front page bad publicity should never been an option.
Mick from Giralang said | December 25th 2009 @ 5:43am | Report comment
Scott, you’ve just been fined $10,000 by the Roar. I’ll PM you with details of where the money can be lodged…
Andystath said | December 25th 2009 @ 12:13pm | Report comment
Paul Gallen is everything that is wrong with Rugby League.The story told to the media was that poor Paul couldn’t find a toilet and after exhausting every possible avenue to urinate in private he was forced to hang a piss in public.The reality is that he and some mates were walking up Erskine St and one of his mate either fell over or decide to lay down on the pavement and Paul being Paul thought it was hilarious to piss on or near his head.This was at a fairly major intersection possibly Sussex st or Clarence.
The Sharks and the NRL have then fined young Paul for his misdemeanors,much to his disgust.Now its a case of he wants to take his bat and ball and leave.Go to Manly Gallen,it would be a perfect fit.
Mick from Giralang said | December 26th 2009 @ 1:33pm | Report comment
How is Gallen’s ridiculous behaviour rugby league’s fault? The game has officially expressed its disgust by fining him $10,000!!!!! You get lesser penalties for grievous bodily harm in the NSW court system. If anything rugby league inissists on higher standards than society in general.
M1tch said | December 26th 2009 @ 5:14pm | Report comment
dont worry its a typical post from someone who is anti rugby league..you see with the other codes its the individuals..but when it comes to RL the ‘code’ has the problem