More people watching as the NRL crumbles at the top
By apaway, 31 Dec 2009 apaway is a Roar Guru
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If there were any celebrations at the National Rugby League headquarters over the news of the television ratings figures for the year, they were understandably muted.
For the first time, rugby league drew higher television numbers nationally than the AFL, a hefty percentage increase giving the NRL a much-needed boost after another bout of bad publicity.
The news came just a day or so after Jake Friend used up his last strike in another alcohol-fueled incident which ultimately cost the young player his job with the Sydney Roosters. Friend’s name can be added to the rugby league dishonour role of 2009 which includes Stewart, Watmough, Mason, Myles, Fittler, Bird, Seymour, Gallen and Johns, all of whom committed infractions, alleged or proved, of varying degrees of severity but with the common denominator being over-consumption of alcohol.
Add to that the police drug squad hauling Danny Wicks away with subsequent serious allegations levelled at seemingly half the Newcastle Knights team, and league CEO David Gallup could be forgiven for breaking into a cold sweat every time he opened the newspaper.
This litany of bad behaviour doesn’t seem to be affecting league viewership at the top level. In many ways, rugby league is a perfect TV game. Almost all the action takes place in the 10-20 metres between the attacking and defending teams, and that action can be fast, hard-hitting and breathtakingly skillful. The camera misses very little. In comparison, so much happens in an AFL game a long way from the ball, scintillating marks and great goals notwithstanding, that it is a game best viewed live at the ground.
But the adverse publicity is almost certainly hitting the game at junior level. Participation rates in key areas are low, with football proving up to five times as popular in a number of Sydney LGAs, and Aussie Rules, basketball and rugby union drawing kids in greater numbers. While parents haven’t been surveyed en masse, it would be foolish to assume that the image of the NRL isn’t a factor in them steering their kids away from the game. It mightn’t be the only reason, but it is a reason. And this is despite the NRL pouring a lot of money into junior development and keeping registration costs close to nothing in many cases.
Why does the game seem beset by these problems? Other codes have had their issues without doubt, but the sheer volume of League incidents outweighs Union, AFL and football combined. It can’t be the scrutiny – all sports stars live in fish bowls these days, more so in overseas sporting competitions. There have been allegations of a drinking culture in League, given it is a game played predominantly by young men between the ages of 18 and 25. But young men play other sports. There have been suggestions that the NRL’s issues are simply a mirror of society. Perhaps, but they would seem to be a magnifying glass more than a mirror.
Consider this scenario: Many NRL teams enforce total drinking bans during pre-season training or at significant periods in the year. Players are breath-tested every day and train hard to attain an elite level of fitness for 8-10 weeks. They are then rewarded with a weekend off, and are told to let their hair down. They go out for a night on the drink, are in peak physical shape (and alcohol affects fit people a lot more quickly than those of lesser condition), are largely or completely unsupervised, and are caught up in the heady mateship of bonding with team mates.
Why not provide a loaded gun, too?
It doesn’t mean players shouldn’t take responsibility for their actions, not at all. But the scenario described happens frequently, and it would only take three or four standard drinks in this situation for a player to be intoxicated and unable to make rational choices for themselves. Before long, the group is binge drinking. Consider that many young players at NRL clubs are living far from home, without parental supervision, and may have done so since before they were of legal drinking age.
Perhaps it would be healthier and safer if clubs allowed players to have a couple of drinks a week, in line with medical guidelines (and all clubs have doctors on staff who could inform players what the guidelines are). It wouldn’t affect fitness levels and would eliminate the pattern of binge drinking that seems to lead to most of the trouble in the game.
As well, maybe clubs should be ensuring that any team bonding session involving alcohol include officials or senior players who are able to monitor players and give them a tap on the shoulder when they’ve had enough. Bar and hospitality staff are now required to complete a course in Responsible Service of Alcohol; perhaps it wouldn’t be a stretch if players did the course too. Self and peer-monitoring might work better than getting into an argument with a bouncer, fueled by VB courage, notions of invincibility, and not a thought for the headlines the next day.
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December 31st 2009 @ 7:47am
football said | December 31st 2009 @ 7:47am | Report comment
Considering News Limited history, they dont give things away, & they have been selling the game to themselves. I agree the entire structure is pathetic however it is in favor of Newslimited & I am not naive enough to believe they will throw away $8 Mil a year out of the goodness of their hearts.
My oppinion is they are sick of underwriting the code.
December 31st 2009 @ 7:58am
Dogs Of War said | December 31st 2009 @ 7:58am | Report comment
Yeah, underwriting the code? Is that what you call it? I call it underselling the rights to yourself. And that $8mil you are talking about, they are only using that for the Storm, and they won’t leave the game unless that continues.
You do realise that the only reason they are even involved in the game was due to the Super League war which they started. Rugby League owes News Ltd nothing for what they put the game through, the only credit News Ltd can take is that at least they didn’t run away after bringing the code to it’s knees, it’s now in a good position to take the next step, which requires a new administration in the form of the Independent Commission.
December 31st 2009 @ 7:48am
Master Blaster said | December 31st 2009 @ 7:48am | Report comment
What an article to finish off the year.
“But the adverse publicity is almost certainly hitting the game at junior level.” based on what apaway? Your opinion by the look of it.
Let’s get all the Roar’s soccer, AFL and RU zealots together in the one thread, and mutually share our contempt for rugby league.
December 31st 2009 @ 7:54am
Dogs Of War said | December 31st 2009 @ 7:54am | Report comment
Don’t expect him to reply, I had a look at the other article he wrote and he never replied once. That one was having a go at AFL. I suspect his next article will be having a go at Rugby Union.
December 31st 2009 @ 10:37am
rugbyfuture said | December 31st 2009 @ 10:37am | Report comment
c’est la vie
December 31st 2009 @ 10:41am
Master Blaster said | December 31st 2009 @ 10:41am | Report comment
Stop showing off! Us league people don’t understand Spanish.
December 31st 2009 @ 10:45am
rugbyfuture said | December 31st 2009 @ 10:45am | Report comment
hahaha
January 1st 2010 @ 12:42am
apaway said | January 1st 2010 @ 12:42am | Report comment
Hey Dogs Of War, I thought I’d shock you and reply, though it’s not something I usually do with an article I wrote. Sorry if you thought I was “having a go” at league, it wasn’t my intention, I actually love the game and have watched it since I was 7 years old, and played it with limited success at school. I was hoping to provide some reasoning to the high number of reported cases of player behaviour due to alcohol abuse. I’m also very much aware that the NRL provides alcohol management programs to players. And I was at the Dally M’s and alcohol was freely available to players. To their credit, almost all of them drank nothing stronger than Coca Cola.
The stats on junior participation rates came from information collected from Sydney LGAs and the Australian Sports Commission.
January 1st 2010 @ 6:27am
Master Blaster said | January 1st 2010 @ 6:27am | Report comment
So we’ll just take your good word on the stats will we?
Glad to see you’ve embraced the concept of the internet apaway. Not keen on the interaction side of it? Write an ambiguosly worded article that you now say “it wasn’t my intention” to have a go at league via.
January 1st 2010 @ 7:23am
Mister Football said | January 1st 2010 @ 7:23am | Report comment
Pull the other one.
January 1st 2010 @ 8:14am
Dogs Of War said | January 1st 2010 @ 8:14am | Report comment
I can’t find the article where it was said that alcohol was banned at the Dally M’s now (nrl.com articles don’t go back before the grand final, google search brings up way too much material).
Either way, given you said you went to the Dally M awards night, and thus must have a lot of interest in the NRL to go to such an event, and then must understand what changes have been happening in the NRL at club and higher levels via the education programs that all NRL players and even moreso Toyota Cup players must go to. I am surprised that you would go to an effort to try and take all the good work the NRL is doing and write this uneducated article about the subject.
Let’s go through your “recommendations”
apaway said” It doesn’t mean players shouldn’t take responsibility for their actions, not at all. But the scenario described happens frequently, and it would only take three or four standard drinks in this situation for a player to be intoxicated and unable to make rational choices for themselves. Before long, the group is binge drinking. Consider that many young players at NRL clubs are living far from home, without parental supervision, and may have done so since before they were of legal drinking age.
Perhaps it would be healthier and safer if clubs allowed players to have a couple of drinks a week, in line with medical guidelines (and all clubs have doctors on staff who could inform players what the guidelines are). It wouldn’t affect fitness levels and would eliminate the pattern of binge drinking that seems to lead to most of the trouble in the game.”
The pattern of binge drinking is no different to any other person in society. Young people tend to work during the week, and on the weekend hit the drink, surprise surprise the NRL players are no different when they get an opportunity. Education on the effects of binge drinking is the right course of action, these are grown men, and their is only so much the NRL can do. You say let them drink during the week, but the displine required to not going overboard (1-2 drinks suddenly turns into 6-7 drinks) can be hard to moderate. Better to just have a blanket ban.
apaway said “As well, maybe clubs should be ensuring that any team bonding session involving alcohol include officials or senior players who are able to monitor players and give them a tap on the shoulder when they’ve had enough. Bar and hospitality staff are now required to complete a course in Responsible Service of Alcohol; perhaps it wouldn’t be a stretch if players did the course too. Self and peer-monitoring might work better than getting into an argument with a bouncer, fueled by VB courage, notions of invincibility, and not a thought for the headlines the next day.”
I am sure via the player education that most club official attend these as well. They incorporate a lot of what happens in a RSA course, with more focus on the effects of alcohol. What is changing in clubs is the culture of the club allowing players to get on the drink to excess. Clubs realise the effects it has on their image, though some clubs will take a little longer to address issues in their clubs administration who may still just be an old boys club who did worse when they played the game (and thus turn a blind eye to what a player may be getting up to). That’s what must change, clubs need to take responsibility for players at every opportunity.
Still unsure how you can say the NRL has had more issues than all the other major sports combined. Maybe it just seems that way cause you only read the daily terrorgraph.
January 1st 2010 @ 8:54pm
apaway said | January 1st 2010 @ 8:54pm | Report comment
Believe it or not Dogs Of War, I think we’re on the same page. I agree with your comments on education on binge drinking and I do have a vested interest in responsible alcohol management. But I would dispute that NRL players are “no different” when they have a big night. Like it or not, they’re celebrity figures, and invariably any infraction will make it into the media, now that everyone carries a potential recording device with them. It’s not fair, but it’s reality.
And I don’t read the Telegraph.
December 31st 2009 @ 8:12am
football said | December 31st 2009 @ 8:12am | Report comment
Good to see that RL fans know nothing about their own code. The NRL pays Newslimited $8Mil a year so they can recover their superleague losses, its in the agreement.
Mick from Giralang, Should the soccer fans point out that Sokah holds the highest rating shows in Australian Pay TV history both set this year.
This has nothing to do with Sokah but you should be questioning whats going on rather than blindly accepting what you get fed by the Terrorgraph.
December 31st 2009 @ 8:17am
Dogs Of War said | December 31st 2009 @ 8:17am | Report comment
Good to see a Soccer fans who knows nothing about what he is talkign about. That $8mil is then invested back into the game via the Melbourne Storm to help develop the game in Victoria.
As for the Super League losses, how many times does it have to be said that without News Ltd, there would have been no Super League, and no losses to recoup!
December 31st 2009 @ 8:18am
Mick from Giralang said | December 31st 2009 @ 8:18am | Report comment
Should you point out how A-league rates on pay TV compared to NRL and AFL?
December 31st 2009 @ 8:24am
M1tch said | December 31st 2009 @ 8:24am | Report comment
i doubt he will
December 31st 2009 @ 8:23am
M1tch said | December 31st 2009 @ 8:23am | Report comment
yeh socceroos are our national team, but compare a-league to nrl games is a fairer assessment..
and a-league matches are around the 60k mark
December 31st 2009 @ 10:53am
Punter said | December 31st 2009 @ 10:53am | Report comment
Exactly correct, the Socceroos can only be compared to the Kangaroos (our national team).
December 31st 2009 @ 8:28am
football said | December 31st 2009 @ 8:28am | Report comment
Exactly so they are still owed $8 Mil a year as I stated. News limited use it to cover storms losses underwriting the team. So you still cant answer the question why is Newslimited pulling out as you claim that RL is being sold short in the TV deal so why would Newslimited pull out of something which benefits them for nothing.
Mick from Giralang
Now you want to limit it to one level & not the whole code interesting how it changes “oh no what about the A league”. It rates extremely well for a comp which is five years old & actually outstripped all initial expectations. It is the RL ratings which are on an overall downward trend (although pay TV is actually increasing), not the A league, they are establishing their market & holding it.
December 31st 2009 @ 8:33am
M1tch said | December 31st 2009 @ 8:33am | Report comment
where do you gets your ‘facts’ about ratings from?
December 31st 2009 @ 8:40am
Dogs Of War said | December 31st 2009 @ 8:40am | Report comment
Why is News Ltd pulling out. Yeah it because Rugby League is about to fall over, AFL and A-League are just too strong and News Ltd wants to devote it’s time and money to sports with a future. Is that what you want to believe? I think it is.
In reality it’s because they have had more than enough time to “recoup” losses which where only incurred when they started a war the code didn’t ask for and is still paying a price for. They also realise that are not in the business of running sports, rather they run Newspapers etc. And it’s not as if News Ltd are not exiting without making conditions that ensure the code prospers like demanding the Independent Commission, and also ensuring the future of the Melbourne Storm financially.
Maybe the question should be why was News Ltd involved in the sport at all?
December 31st 2009 @ 8:45am
Kurt said | December 31st 2009 @ 8:45am | Report comment
Interesting. Please post the links that support your contentions about TV ratings, with primary data included – i.e. – the actual figures themselves. Thanks.
December 31st 2009 @ 9:00am
Mick from Giralang said | December 31st 2009 @ 9:00am | Report comment
Football: You’re the one who brought up TV ratings — you can’t pick and choose.
The A-league ratings are simply appalling.
December 31st 2009 @ 9:21am
jimbo said | December 31st 2009 @ 9:21am | Report comment
The FFA are about to sign a new deal with Fox which is about five times or more larger than the current one.
The A-League games and highlights packages are shown on TV networks right around the world and aren’t doing too badly at all.
The 2008-09 A-League attendance average of 12,996 puts it as the 18th most popular football league in the world, even though 200 of our best footballers don’t play in the A-League, they play overseas.
Australian football isn’t just the A-League – the Socceroos are the highest rating football team on Pay TV and FTA and football is the biggest sport by far for players and participation rates across all ages, men and women, indoor and outdoor.
December 31st 2009 @ 9:26am
Dogs Of War said | December 31st 2009 @ 9:26am | Report comment
So A-League rates higher in other countries, is that what you are saying?
As for participation Rugby League is always at a disadvantage as many cannot play due to the physical nature of the sport, so instead play Oztag and Touch Football, which combined have over 400K playing the game. Add those numbers to the sport and you get a much better idea of how popular a sport actually is.
December 31st 2009 @ 9:48am
Punter said | December 31st 2009 @ 9:48am | Report comment
I think if you include Oztag & touch Football, which I think the Rugby League associations should do, the numbers still fall far less than the participation in football.
But I wouldn’t go as far as Jimbo as saying football is the biggest sport in Australia.
December 31st 2009 @ 10:40am
Springs said | December 31st 2009 @ 10:40am | Report comment
I would say League+touch > soccer. The touch comps usually have ten or so divisions with 5-10 teams. So there can be upwards of 1000+ players in just one comp. In soccer and League there are usually 8-10 teams, 5 grades with variable team playing numbers. So in a soccer around 400-500 players in a senior comp. (I’m speaking from a country NSW viewpoint of course)
December 31st 2009 @ 10:53am
Dogs Of War said | December 31st 2009 @ 10:53am | Report comment
Just saying that the participation numbers aren’t that far apart. People like to use figures which makes their code look like the best. Why it’s always all the other codes putting the boot into League has me stuffed, other than that’s the code they are most scared of if the admin ever gets it’s act together?
December 31st 2009 @ 10:59am
rugbyfuture said | December 31st 2009 @ 10:59am | Report comment
i think everyone puts the boot into league because its become a competitor for everyone, good grassroots attacks at soccer and a little at afl, a good national/semi national comp goes at it to AFL and the fact its a rugby code and attracts the same type of athlete as backs in rugby union goes at rugby union
January 2nd 2010 @ 1:24am
jimbo said | January 2nd 2010 @ 1:24am | Report comment
Punter,
there is no doubt that football is the biggest participation sport of any football code in Australia even if you add touch football to Rugby League.
This is the last ABS survey in 2007
http://www.ausstats.abs.gov.au/Ausstats/subscriber.nsf/0/A36EC2C4EAD3937BCA257281001ADA51/$File/41770_2005-06.pdf
and the football figures in 2007 were nearly double what they were in the last survey in 2000, so the 2010 figures will show an even bigger gap as the sport continues to grow here.
January 2nd 2010 @ 1:00pm
Springs said | January 2nd 2010 @ 1:00pm | Report comment
Jimbo I cannot take that document as indicative of the Australian sportinglandscape when it stated thatLeague had only 90,000 participants and soccer over 400,000.
The ARL Annual Report 2008 stated that ‘Total participation in competitve Rugby League (school and junior and senior club players) will be over 423, 584 players by the end ofthe year’. Now I know that that number is not a true measure of League participation. Over 250,000 of those players were school players. But there is still over 170,000 registered junior and senior players playing League regularly.
While Touch Football Australia has stated that there are over 250,000 registered players with 500,000 school children playing the sport. Now the total participation rates would addup to over 1.25 million players. But regular players still add up to over 420,000. Which adds to even more than the ABS reported about soccer players.
December 31st 2009 @ 11:43am
jimbo said | December 31st 2009 @ 11:43am | Report comment
If you’re counting touch football and oztag as Rugby League,
then we’ll throw in all the games played with a round football – beach soccer, table soccer, Monkey in the Middle, Ice Monster, Cops and Robbers, Pirate, Ball Monster, KickOut, Give and Go, EggHunt, Sharks and Fishes, Robbing the Nest, Camptown Races, KickaBooty and crushed Solo cans!
December 31st 2009 @ 11:45am
Dogs Of War said | December 31st 2009 @ 11:45am | Report comment
I have no problem if you count those who play a form of soccer, though table soccer may be going a bit far. As long as it’s an organised sport, their will be numbers available somewhere.
The point was that participations numbers aren’t that cut and dried.
December 31st 2009 @ 11:55am
AndyRoo said | December 31st 2009 @ 11:55am | Report comment
With the new Crawford report I think the writings on the wall that sooner or later their is going to be a lot of political mileage in amount of registered players you have.
Both League and Football should be getting all their different branches under one umbrella for registration purposes.
The AFL have been smart enough to make sure everyone that looks at a Sherrin is signed up as a registered player at least once, (3 times if you play for your school, a club and do a 6 week summer OZ kick session).
I wouldn’t go that far with the duplicate registrations but both League and Football should be setting up data bases to count their number of unique players and making sure the schools, church comps and table soccer (perhaps start with Futsal) clubs all provide the data they need and are rewarded for it.
December 31st 2009 @ 9:26am
Mick from Giralang said | December 31st 2009 @ 9:26am | Report comment
Just don’t mention the A-league ratings…
December 31st 2009 @ 9:46am
Punter said | December 31st 2009 @ 9:46am | Report comment
Show me the figures.
December 31st 2009 @ 1:22pm
Redb said | December 31st 2009 @ 1:22pm | Report comment
Australian football is not the A League or the Socceroos it is the AFL.
December 31st 2009 @ 1:26pm
Master Blaster said | December 31st 2009 @ 1:26pm | Report comment
In Melbourne maybe, but not in NSW or Queensland or the rest of the world.
December 31st 2009 @ 1:38pm
Redb said | December 31st 2009 @ 1:38pm | Report comment
What as of 5 years ago
December 31st 2009 @ 1:40pm
Master Blaster said | December 31st 2009 @ 1:40pm | Report comment
Sorry, that’s gone. The war is over.
December 31st 2009 @ 3:28pm
Punter said | December 31st 2009 @ 3:28pm | Report comment
Australian Football has never been AFL in Sydney & it has nothing to do with what happended 5 years ago. You in a RL thread not a football thread.
December 31st 2009 @ 8:28am
James D said | December 31st 2009 @ 8:28am | Report comment
Hmm the more controversy the more people tune in. As soon as the NRL cleans up its act people will begin to see how boring the code is without police investigations positive drug tests and sexual assaults to keep the code interesting.
December 31st 2009 @ 8:32am
M1tch said | December 31st 2009 @ 8:32am | Report comment
lol, love it
ignorance is bliss ay…
December 31st 2009 @ 8:32am
Dogs Of War said | December 31st 2009 @ 8:32am | Report comment
Yeah, that’s why people watch the game, because of what happens off the field. Maybe Friday’s nights should include a game, followed by highlights of the previous weekends hi-jinx that the NRL Stars got up to.
Obviously it’s a big reason why people aren’t watching Union, and now Union has decided to try and get into the press with Quade Cooper to get some of that publicity because that will make people watch the game, though being available on pay TV only works against them.
It’s must also a big reason why Soccer is so big in Europe, given what the Soccer Superstars get up to, makes the NRL boys look like choir boys.
December 31st 2009 @ 8:45am
James D said | December 31st 2009 @ 8:45am | Report comment
Yep – it certainly helps. The Union boys have been pretty much squeky clean and interest is low. Interest is much higher when Matt Dunning is bashing in Taxi Windows and Wendell Sailor is doing Cocaine or they are luring league players across. And all friday night games do have that mate – they are called news updates. Look all the off the field stuff does is get you exposure – the NRL has been in the paper non stop this year for drunk players acting stupid – public urination – sexual assault – drunk driving etc etc all this exposure is a type of advertising. And thats what causes people to tune in on their tv’s. Its not only league either – Controversy created some of soccer’s biggest stars – Beckham for example. And AFL’s biggest Stars – Ben Cousins – Barry Hall etc. As soon as the Union players start acting stupid you will see higher ratings for the code. Its true – the 2008 super 14 had very good australian ratings cause Matt Henjak got sacked after he punched Haig Saire in the face.
December 31st 2009 @ 8:52am
Dogs Of War said | December 31st 2009 @ 8:52am | Report comment
The Toyota Cup outrated the 2008 Super 14, and most people don’t even know who the Toyota Cup players are.
The interest off the field, is due to the interest in the game overall. Union players do act stupid, it’s just they don’t have the profile (unless you play for the Wallabies), so people just treat them like they do any other member of the public when they get up to mischief off the field. NRL and AFL players tend to not be afforded the same consideration, due to their public profiles.
Union is very good at covering up what their players get up to, though the NRL will be in a good position in 10 years via the player education programs they put in, and how they design leadership groups at the clubs, that any perceived culture will be changed for the better, while Union will still be trying to sweep things under the carpet (though I doubt anyone will care by then).
December 31st 2009 @ 9:08am
James D said | December 31st 2009 @ 9:08am | Report comment
Hmmm – “Union is very good at covering up what their players get up to” – Well thats a throw away BS line if i have ever read one. The rugby boys got in the paper and got fined for having a food fight? That sounds like they dont get away with much really. Also the Toyota Cup is branded the same as an NRL game ie Dragons V Eels – so dragons and eels fans tune in. However the blockbuster between the Sharks and the Lions at 2am might not rate all that well (wonder why). Even the Tahs will struggle to draw interest in a game against The Cheetahs or Lions but as soon as the Brumbies or Reds play the crowds are up to 30,000 and the ratings are much improved. Also keep in mind that off the field incidents for the NRL are also discussed on talk back radio – sport shows like the Back Page and PTI on ESPN never talk about the squeky clean players they always talk about the ones doing the wrong thing – so they have naturally had a focus on the NRL.
December 31st 2009 @ 9:21am
Dogs Of War said | December 31st 2009 @ 9:21am | Report comment
Which Rugby boys where involved in the food fight. Show me a link where it names the players.
Why was Lote’s contract torn up? Once again show me a link where it explains what happened.
Stop kidding yourself that Union is that much cleaner, at the end of the day the players are all representatives of society, and you can see what a lot of money and too much free time can do to players. Helps in Union that most of the time you are playing in another country where the general public wouldn’t have a clue who the players are, and thus they can get away with a lot more (Though not always ie Joe Roff in South Africa)
December 31st 2009 @ 10:34am
Jim Wilson said | December 31st 2009 @ 10:34am | Report comment
When have the Reds & Brumbies ever had crowds of 30,000?
December 31st 2009 @ 9:15am
jimbo said | December 31st 2009 @ 9:15am | Report comment
They show it at a time slot when nothing else is on – bored sports junkies watch.
December 31st 2009 @ 8:52am
Mick from Giralang said | December 31st 2009 @ 8:52am | Report comment
League critics can’t have it both ways…either off field incidents are killing the sport, or they’re its saviour.
Make up your mind
December 31st 2009 @ 1:28pm
Redb said | December 31st 2009 @ 1:28pm | Report comment
“And AFL’s biggest Stars – Ben Cousins – Barry Hall etc”
Rubbish they brought all the bad publicity particularly for the game in Sydney.
true fans of either the AFL or NRL dont start watching more games in the hope of a drunken or drugged up display on the field. They would rather the players behave themselves, if anything its a turn off and you focus on the good players who do the right thing, the ones who deserve more credit like El Masri in league or Ablett jnr in the AFL.
Redb
December 31st 2009 @ 8:41am
Davo said | December 31st 2009 @ 8:41am | Report comment
Speaking as a parent, I wouldn’t let my kids get involved in Rugby League. Generally speaking, the sport attracts the lower end of the spectrum in terms of intellect and behaviour. The NRL players who get involved in off-field incidents don’t help the image of the game. Having said that, I still enjoy watching the game.
December 31st 2009 @ 8:47am
Mick from Giralang said | December 31st 2009 @ 8:47am | Report comment
Speaking as a member of the rugby league community, I wouldn’t want a parent with such boorish views to get involved in my game.
December 31st 2009 @ 8:53am
M1tch said | December 31st 2009 @ 8:53am | Report comment
So you dont let your kids go outside either?
IF you think Rugby League is bad, the locals streets would be hell for you.
December 31st 2009 @ 8:58am
Corey said | December 31st 2009 @ 8:58am | Report comment
Thanks Davo for your medieval “noble” views, once again the status of an individual is more important than the character. I will tell you now that I play Rugby League and am currently studying Theology (almost finished and am doing fairly well). The so-called intellect you talk about is a fairly unfair comment, due to the fact that A LOT of rich rugby union families pay for their childs education and degree (ala Bond University). They may have some great intellect, but looking at the wallabies this year compared to the kangaroos playing I would say the intellect of the wallabies is far poorer than the kangaroos- at least the kangaroos know how to win consistently.
December 31st 2009 @ 9:52am
Punter said | December 31st 2009 @ 9:52am | Report comment
I don’t think the fact that you are winning makes you more intellectual….
January 3rd 2010 @ 12:49am
Corey said | January 3rd 2010 @ 12:49am | Report comment
I would say there is some correlation Punter, If I was in a competitive market intellect helps. And intellect frequently helps the outcome. If I was playing league and was smart I would know when to pass or hold the ball, same for union- yet the kangaroos know when to do this, yet the wobblies don’t.
December 31st 2009 @ 9:46am
Springs said | December 31st 2009 @ 9:46am | Report comment
Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. I was Academic Achiever (As in highest in my school) six years straight and guess what I have played since I was 7?
December 31st 2009 @ 9:53am
Dogs Of War said | December 31st 2009 @ 9:53am | Report comment
Tiddlywinks?
December 31st 2009 @ 10:17am
Springs said | December 31st 2009 @ 10:17am | Report comment
Wrong.
December 31st 2009 @ 9:55am
Punter said | December 31st 2009 @ 9:55am | Report comment
Mathlethics
December 31st 2009 @ 10:17am
Springs said | December 31st 2009 @ 10:17am | Report comment
Wrong again.
December 31st 2009 @ 9:50am
AndyRoo said | December 31st 2009 @ 9:50am | Report comment
Interesting and bold strategy Davo, keeping your kids cocooned until their say 21.
Hope it works out for you….. and them.
December 31st 2009 @ 12:46pm
Working Class Rugger said | December 31st 2009 @ 12:46pm | Report comment
Davo
“Generally speaking, the sport attracts the lower end of the spectrum in terms of intellect and behaviour “.
Not so. Some of the guys I went to school with and now have either made the NRL ( Ryan Hoffman) or making their way weren’t exactly dunces. There is however, a cultural aspect that is really negative in RL. It’s nothing new, just under alot more scrutiny these days.
December 31st 2009 @ 8:54am
football said | December 31st 2009 @ 8:54am | Report comment
Actually Newslimited is pulling out early so the time factor is not correct, but maybe they are just cutting their losses & getting out.
Newslimited is in the business of makeing money & if the comments about the code being undersold were correct then they should be reaping the benfits, so perhaps the code is not worth as much as you wish it was.
December 31st 2009 @ 9:03am
Dogs Of War said | December 31st 2009 @ 9:03am | Report comment
When do some of the A-League club owners do the same? You can’t say that any A-League club owner is in it for the money, rather it’s all about the ego of controlling a club.
December 31st 2009 @ 9:05am
Corey said | December 31st 2009 @ 9:05am | Report comment
Obviously your not looking at the ratings, also, this year League was the only football code to grow in crowd attendances this year. Also the fact that Rugby League has the most room to grow helps (e.g. Perth, Darwin, Sunny Coast, Central Coast, Central QLD, PNG, etc.) makes it appetising to investors. There are a lot of things that need to be fixed, but at the same time, there are a lot of things that are looking good, especially leading up to the World Cup in 2013. That should spread the game, especially across Europe, and Britain.
December 31st 2009 @ 1:20pm
Siva Samoa said | December 31st 2009 @ 1:20pm | Report comment
Like the 2000 Rugby League World Cup failure.
December 31st 2009 @ 1:34pm
Dogs Of War said | December 31st 2009 @ 1:34pm | Report comment
And that stuff happens, it’s how you recover that counts, and with a decent World Cup last year, I think the game recovered quite well. It now has something to build on (and a bit of spare cash).
Now run away back to your Union threads. You only come to the League threads to troll, and it gets boring quite fast.
December 31st 2009 @ 1:40pm
Siva Samoa said | December 31st 2009 @ 1:40pm | Report comment
Spare cash that most made up rugby league playing nations wont see.
December 31st 2009 @ 2:10pm
Dogs Of War said | December 31st 2009 @ 2:10pm | Report comment
ZZZzzzzzzzz……
January 2nd 2010 @ 12:39am
Realist said | January 2nd 2010 @ 12:39am | Report comment
Isn’t the 2011 Rugby World Cup tipped to lose $300 million? Far more than the 2000 RLWC lost.
January 2nd 2010 @ 12:45am
Working Class Rugger said | January 2nd 2010 @ 12:45am | Report comment
Realist
The $300 million you’re referring to is the expected loss the NZ Govt will incur in funding it will provide to host the event. This includes the upgrade and/or the building of new and existing stadia in order to do so. The tournament in itself will actually generate funds positively. Well above the monumental $5 million the RLWC managed to generate. And here’s a little bit of trivia for you. The 2015 RWC is expected to generate in excess of $1 billion AUD for the IRB. Good luck with your Mickey Mouse WC. Leave the real thing to the big boys.
January 2nd 2010 @ 1:05am
jimbo said | January 2nd 2010 @ 1:05am | Report comment
Was that the Daily Telegraph Rugby League journalist who became an expert Rugby Union journalist overnight who tipped a big loss for the 2011 IRB World Cup?
The 2007 WC in France was the most successfull ever and made Millions of Euros profit.
The WC in Australia in 2003 was also very profitable and made millions for the ARU..
Don’t believe everything you read in the Telegraph . . . unless you are a Rugby League supporter and want to get more of that glowing feeling . . .
January 4th 2010 @ 3:12pm
Siva Samoa said | January 4th 2010 @ 3:12pm | Report comment
Where did you get that ridicilous figues of $300 millions from Realist ? The IRB would still get a huge profits and the NZRU ould also get the profits from over half of the tickets sold.
The NZ government is under writing the $30 million because the tournamnet will generates hundreds of millions of dollars to the NZ economy.
January 4th 2010 @ 3:14pm
Bay35Pablo said | January 4th 2010 @ 3:14pm | Report comment
Are we talking about actual loss here, or do we have confusion about what underwriting or a guarantee means?
I think you will find those figures are based on if the guarantee were ever called on in full, which would be EXTREMELY unlikely to happen (you would just about need the tournament to be cancelled).
January 2nd 2010 @ 12:48am
Working Class Rugger said | January 2nd 2010 @ 12:48am | Report comment
Only to be completely eclipsed by the 2015 RWC. Good luck though, you’re going to need it.
January 3rd 2010 @ 1:03am
Corey said | January 3rd 2010 @ 1:03am | Report comment
may be we need the same luck you guys need to develop your own back line players…huh? …what’s that?…..you can’t because League is a bigger sport in Australia. Oh no! The rich boys are going to cry and talk about their money to make them feel better. Martin Luther said “The Lord commonly gives riches to foolish people, to whom he gives nothing else.” So go on about your money, does it make your game bigger in Australia- and don’t get me wrong, I like watching international Union, but I would rather League any day.
January 4th 2010 @ 3:15pm
Siva Samoa said | January 4th 2010 @ 3:15pm | Report comment
I like watching state of origin league but I’ll take any rugby union games any day.
December 31st 2009 @ 9:56am
AndyRoo said | December 31st 2009 @ 9:56am | Report comment
Perhaps their smart enough to realize the money is in controlling the TV rights and you don’t need to pay employees to organize fixture lists and referees to control that.
When optus had the monopoly they had too get involved in the nitty gritty but now they can move back to their core business as a media company.
December 31st 2009 @ 8:58am
football said | December 31st 2009 @ 8:58am | Report comment
Kurt
You keep asking for links to everything. Do your own research or counter the claim, I am not your research department.
December 31st 2009 @ 9:00am
M1tch said | December 31st 2009 @ 9:00am | Report comment
you spew stats but dont back them up..hmmm
December 31st 2009 @ 9:17am
Kurt said | December 31st 2009 @ 9:17am | Report comment
I ask for links because I am keen to increase my knowledge of such matters. You made specific claims about TV ratings that I was not aware of and as such I requested further information. I hardly think this constitutes an unreasonable request.
December 31st 2009 @ 9:26am
Corey said | December 31st 2009 @ 9:26am | Report comment
Kurt is asking a reasonable question football, you need to reference your claims to prove it. You cannot just put out statistics without proof.
December 31st 2009 @ 9:41am
football said | December 31st 2009 @ 9:41am | Report comment
Kurt for your information doing research involves collecting data over a period of time & a link wont show you that data. Rating information is availaible at around 11AM sat for FTA & Mon afternoon for Pay TV. I have collected this data for the past three years into a spreadsheet & unlike yourself I dont need to depend on a journalists oppinion.
If you want to discuss ratings you should know the results or dont enter the conversation.
Mick from
The article mentions ratings.
By the way Kurt have you found out the Korean Govt assesment of WC on the econemy after the event or are you still waiting for an economists oppinion.
December 31st 2009 @ 9:51am
Kurt said | December 31st 2009 @ 9:51am | Report comment
Three years TV ratings in a spreadsheet – that’s fantastic! Not to mention a little obsessive. Feel free to share the summary trended data with us – just enough to prove your point that soccer ratings are on the up and everyone else is on the way down.
I did look at actual Korean GDP figures as reported in the Economist and CIA Factbook and found no significant blip in 2002 or the years immediately preceding it. So no joy for you there I’m afraid, meaning that you’ve still failed that particular challenge. But please do get back to me as soon as you find something to support your contention.
December 31st 2009 @ 9:51am
Dogs Of War said | December 31st 2009 @ 9:51am | Report comment
Good, then if you have the data handy in a spreadsheet, uploading it to a website shouldn’t be too hard.
Otherwise I will have to presume the data on the Astra and Oztam websites is correct and that shows League increasing, and State of Origin receiving it’s highest ratings ever this year.
December 31st 2009 @ 9:59am
Brian said | December 31st 2009 @ 9:59am | Report comment
5 out of 4 soccer, sorry, football fans don’t understand fractions.
December 31st 2009 @ 9:44am
Springs said | December 31st 2009 @ 9:44am | Report comment
What absolute crap. AFL players have been involved in just as many alcohol-related incidents this year, and about three times as many in the last month or two. Half of the NRL’s ‘incidents’ are just media-created crap like the QLD red bull/stillnox fiasco. And the ratio of incidents:Players would be just as great to Rugby as it is to League.