Foolish disloyalty as Waratahs ignore supporter base
By LeftArmSpinner, 8 Jan 2010 LeftArmSpinner is a Roar Guru
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The New Year has arrived, the Test match is finished, and so I have been putting the sporting events into the diary for 2010.
During the delays and breaks at the Test, talk turned to the Super 14 and the Waratahs.
The consensus was that the Brumbies would pose the greatest threat to the Waratahs. “And it’s a home game for us. You beauty!”
“Not so fast ” quipped another, adding “I think they are taking it to ANZ! Contractual obligations!”
After a quick iPhone powered examination of the Tahs website, we discovered that the game was going to ANZ.
In allowing this farce to continue, NSW Waratahs management have ignored the remaining supporters who currently make it happen for them as well as those supporters who they hope will make it happen for them in the future.
The core Waratahs fans that remain have had their loyalty severely tested over the past few years. I don’t wish to relive these painful memories.
Let’s summarise them in two words: “Dunning” and “field goal” or “Winning” and “ugly” when all that resulted was “losing” and “ugly”.
The Waratahs have six home games: Sharks, Lions, Blues, Cheetahs, Hurricanes will play at SFS.
The Waratahs Vs Brumbies is the big game, the local derby, the grudge match, the one we all want to see, the one that can bring the crowds back, the one that can entice a new audience, has been unilaterally removed from the deal for the faithful who turn up each week to the SFS.
Who built them a $10m training and office facility? The Members. Who provides at least 7,000 supporters, or 30 percent of their dwindling total home crowd, to every game, win lose or draw? The locals and the members.
Worse still, there has been no offer to these supporters who have effectively paid for tickets to a game, only to have it moved.
There are very few supporters of any sporting team who, having bought a ticket, will buy a replacement ticket to the same game to go to a stadium that lacks both atmosphere and viewing quality.
Further, the new supporters, those in the famous western Sydney cohort that is yet to materialise in terms of actually turning up to games, get only one game.
Despite it being the contest of the season, these new supporters are expected to attend the game in the soulless, atmosphere “free” ANZ stadium.
The new supporters that turn up will also have to put up with arguably the worst stadium for rugby in the world while the acclaimed SFS sits empty. This is hardly the way to win over and build this audience. I expect a crowd of 30,000, and at this level, another own goal by the Waratahs management.
Disloyalty to these core and new supporters is a dangerous attitude for such a financially marginal team as the Waratahs.
But there is more.
1.The Waratahs have three trial matches. These have also been moved to Lismore, Orange and Canberra respectively. One or more of these games would be ideally suited to Parramatta Stadium and the new supporter base in Western Sydney.
2.The Waratahs core supporters will not have one local derby in 2010 at their home ground. The Force, the Reds and the Brumbies are all away!
3.The home Crusaders trial match has been cancelled.
4.The first three games are away games: two of which are in South Africa and played at inhospitable hours. The three month tournament will be almost a third completed before the Waratahs even get in front of their supporters in a home game.
5.If the Waratahs make a slow start to the season, the season will be financially doomed before a home game has even been played.
In conclusion, the Waratahs management have made and continue to repeat several fundamental mistakes:
1. They have lost focus on their core audience. Not addressing this audience’s needs when unilaterally moving the best games will further damage the Waratahs core support and be very expensive to rebuild.
2. They are chasing a new audience (Western Sydney) but with an inferior product and venue.
3. They have treated this new audience as “dumb” when in fact they are a very discerning audience who are spoilt for choice and used to good stadia like Penrith and Parramatta.
4. They are attempting to win over this new audience without investing in their tribal representatives in the Sydney Grade competition, Penrith and Parramatta.
5. I believe, but am happy to stand corrected that this contract with ANZ is for 10 years. Letting this contract to run in its current form could destroy the Waratahs completely.
I strongly suggest that the management return the shot gun approach to the gun cabinet and exchange it for the targeted rifle shot approach.
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JiMMM said | January 8th 2010 @ 8:18am | Report comment
To be fair us Rugby supporters are a funny bunch, up here in QLD we have the best rectangular field in the country and yet I think we will get more people to the reds game at Ballymore than any of the games at Lang.
Looking from the outside it does certainly look like NSWRU and the Wara’s have been taking lessons from the QRU and Reds on how to turn a succesful entity into an abjest failure (although the ARU certainly has it’s share of the blame for that).
reds fan said | January 8th 2010 @ 8:44am | Report comment
Despite the move away from Ballymore, I would say that the Reds do a spectacular job of getting crowds with the teams we’ve had. It will be interesting to see if all the “old timers” that complain about the move show up for the Blues clash on Feb 27.
I always look forward to the trial match at Ballymore but it also reminds me of how painful it is getting public transport there.
LeftArmSpinner said | January 9th 2010 @ 8:17am | Report comment
but lang is at least a purpose built rectangular ground with a reasonable capacity. anz is round, too big at 85k+ and provides poor views unless full in which case the atmosphere makes up for it.
Siva Samoa said | January 8th 2010 @ 9:05am | Report comment
the reds crowds were even worst when they played at ballymore before they moved to suncorp. had they stayed at ballymore they would have been playing in front of 5000 . ballymore is one of the worst stadium to get to. no trains, pubs, and parking is a nightmare.
JiMMM said | January 8th 2010 @ 9:32am | Report comment
Ballymore is no worse to get to than The Gabba (or Skilled Park if you don’t live on a train line for that matter), so I completely disagree that it was transport causing issues for people. It was the ageing Stadium infrastructure that was (and is) the biggest concern about playing at Ballymore, but even with that it always seems to have a good atmosphere.
Reds Fan, I don’t disgree with anything you have said but I know of quite a few people (definately not old timers though) who have the Ballymore game booked into to go to, but not really anything else.
But to drag this back on topic, do either of you think that the idiocy on display by the NSWRU and the Tah’s has beeen learned from the QRU and Red’s, and what is causing it.
reds fan said | January 8th 2010 @ 10:05am | Report comment
After living in Sydney for 6 years and regularly attending games at the SFS (to cheer to opposition naturally) I really came to love it as a football ground. Close to the action, good size crowd, yet intimate. Nothing like sitting in the Feb (daylight saving time provided) sunshine after work on a Friday with a cold beer waiting for kick off.
I also attended tests at Homebush. In particular the world record crowd, greatest game of all, 2000 bledisloe. Now that was an event! massive.
However, Super games are not Bledisloe’s. I can’t for the life of me think why they would go there. If they want to go “west” for a game, pick one of the other great footy grounds out there.
I dont think they’re learning it from the Reds. They are falling for the same money and hype that Homebush has used to lure the league teams there, the cricket there, and the AFL there.
sheek said | January 11th 2010 @ 8:46pm | Report comment
Gee, I don’t know about this. Back in the early 80s, when I was a young fella, I would make an effort every year (from Sydney) to get to one Brissie test, & sometimes a state match as well.
Lunch at Brekkie Creek was a test Saturday tradition. Massive BBQ rump steaks & beer off the wood. Then walk to Ballymore, watch the game in wonderful surroundings, & drink on downstairs (back of stadium) afterwards.
Can’t remember how I ever got home though……….
ballboy said | January 8th 2010 @ 9:21am | Report comment
The NSWRU does seem to be making a rod for its own back. The Tahs / Brumbies match is the one you always want to go and see. Being a Brumbies supporter living in Sydney I can tell you there is nothing better than going to the SFS to watch this clash. Hang on…there is one thing better. Travelling down to Canberra to see it at Bruce. The Brumbies are lucky that they have a smaller community and only one field to play on. It is our cauldron and it’s worth a few points a game no question. It’s a real community us vs. them feeling when you go out there. The Tahs on the other hand lose that momentum when they play at Homebush. It doesn’t make much sense. And putting a pre season game on at at Parra or Penrith would have been a great idea but the brains trust missed this op as well. I wonder if the contract they are under gives ANZ the right to nominate which game is played there each year. Or maybe NSWR think that this game will attract the largest crowd and exceed the SFS limit. With the excitement down in Canberra at the moment with them thinking they have their first genuine chance in years of winning the comp you may just see more than usual travel up for this one. Considering how the Tahs suport base is travelling from last year, there may actually be more Brumbie supporters there than Tahs. Strange days indeed.
exile said | January 8th 2010 @ 10:14am | Report comment
Like you I am a Sydneysider and a Brumbies supporter. Indeed, the NSWRU could well start by asking itself why so many Sydney rugby fans prefer to drive down to Canberra rather than to support the Waratahs.
I will go to Homebush to support the Brumbies, It is actually more convenient for me than the SFS but I hate it as a venue – I refuse to go to Wallabies matches there any more. If the Waratahs are contracted to play one match there each year they should recognise the problem and use it for the least popular fixture.
Brett McKay said | January 8th 2010 @ 9:50am | Report comment
Leftie, if there’s one positive to be drawn out of the move of the Tahs-Brumbies match to Homebush, it’s that there’s plenty of us down here in Brumbyland who are looking forward to making the trip north on the ANZAC Day weekend. I’d be very surprised if this wasn’t a deliberate move by the NSWRU, or Tah Corp, whoever they are now. We’ll be the ones in the Gold caps…
Also, Rickety and I have been in touch about trying to organise a Gathering of The Roarers for this match too, so stay tuned for more details I guess. It’d be great to get everyone together for a pre- and/or post-match beverage. (Rickety, I’ll be in touch over the weekend, I guess I’ve just committed us!!)
Chris said | January 8th 2010 @ 1:14pm | Report comment
As a (Queanbeyan based) Brumbies fan I would never consider driving to Sydney to watch the game as The Brumbies seemingly can’t win at the SFS. I think that the Tah X-Factor will be gone at Homebush (after all the 15 odd Wallabies in the Brumbies team see it as a home ground). This year I am definitely going to the game at Homebush – for what should be a comprehensive Brumby win.
Bay35Pablo said | January 8th 2010 @ 1:23pm | Report comment
God-DAMN I’m annoyed I’ll probably miss this game. I LOVE giving it to you urine yellow wearing upstarts.
The sweetest feeling as a Tahs supporter was going down there in 2005 and winning the first game away against the Nags. After going down in 2003 and getting abused and vitrually spat at, and getting flogged, it was awesome. Strangely enough the Brummies fans melted back into the bush around Bruce very quietly after the game, as we very politely wished them well.
This is why more derbies and the Super 15 should hopefuly give Australian rugby a shot in the arm from 2011. We love to hate each other!!!!!! Give the Rebels v Tahs, and Rebels v Nags derbies a few years to build up some heat, and they’ll be awesome!!! Especially if the Rebels nick a few Tahs and Brummies players.
Brett McKay said | January 8th 2010 @ 1:34pm | Report comment
Pablo, that’s AUSTRALIAN GOLD my friend, and don’t you f****** forget it!!!
Funnily enough, that 2005 game you mention coincided with my 30th, which despite trying six weeks out, the best we could do was standing room tickets for 10 or 12 of us. Pretty sure that night is the current ground record, just under 29K. Fortunately, rum solved the problem. Highlights/lowlights from an otherwise sorry night (and I’m not just talking about the rugby) was Gregan breaking a leg, and a mate of mine yelling out every time the just-back-from-suspension Justin Harrison touched the ball, “VILIFY ME, HARRISON!!” I guess you had to be there…
Bay35Pablo said | January 8th 2010 @ 4:47pm | Report comment
Brett, we also enjoyed a beer at King O’Hallorans after, along with chats with various downcast Brummies supporters. Then onto the Casino ….
Which was exactly what we did in 2003 except not as happy (and I didn’t get lost wandering back to the hotel in 2003). Oh, and in 2003 one of my boys walked up to a table full of tahs playing blackjack, threw his tahs pass on the table and said “How about my money back boys?”. Silence.
LeftArmSpinner said | January 9th 2010 @ 8:25am | Report comment
brett, not even funny. im a bloody member at the SCG/SFS. I’m locked in to $1,000 per annum, add to that another $100 per game for food and bev for 4 people and often more ’cause the kids bring their mates.
The Tahs and the cricket test are the attraction. to lose the big game and be left with the dross, and not to be even offered a comp ticket to anz despite the place being less than half full is ridicuous.
I am seriously considering boycotting the whole season. Not much for me to lose. I might go to the Blues game but other wise, all too hard.
I have not missed a home game for 5 years and have travelled to Canberra for several away games.
Put simply, there comes a point where it is just too hard. I might get more involved with the Swans. they are certainly popular and provide a good atmosphere.
Trust me, I am not joking. I dont have foxtel so, through a series of decisions, that are driven by money, the ARU and NSWRU are destroying the core asset, the supporters.
Brett McKay said | January 10th 2010 @ 10:14am | Report comment
Leftie, I’ll grant you that it’s pretty ordinary that SCG/SFS members are not being catered for at Homebush. Wasn’t it part of the agreement that they would be given seats though?? Perhaps that’s just Waratahs members..
Yikes said | January 10th 2010 @ 1:53pm | Report comment
LAS, Brett – should ANZ members get free tickets to all the SFS games? If not why not?
Further to that, LAS if this is such an issue for you, why not ditch the SCG/SFS membership altogether, and buy a season Waratah pass? You’d have plenty of enough cash left over to buy tickets to the New Year’s test.
And you won’t have to line up at 6am to get a seat!
Bay35Pablo said | January 10th 2010 @ 1:58pm | Report comment
Yikes, no they shouldn’t. I was getting at this in one of my later posts, and Chris then put it more bluntly. LAS has chosen to take SCG/SFS membership, and it has minuses as well as pluses as he is finding out.
It would be good to give those emmebrs an option, but the NSWRU is also part of a competition between the SCG Trust and Homebush here. They are not going to make it easy for each other.
At the end of the day the NSWRU needs to make it as easy as possible for rusted on members, and comments here suggest there might be some polishing to be done.
NickF’s comments below are concerning, in being unable to get decent seats which is what he wants as a top class member. As far as I can see there are quite a few at the front of Bay 35. Or is the NSWRU trying to get that whole bay back for Life Members slowly?
Ryan said | January 8th 2010 @ 9:54am | Report comment
I am not crazy about playing games at Homebush but in terms of growing the game I think Homebush is a good call. Parramatta is the centre of Sydney but Parra stadium is not big enough to host this game. Additionally for every bum on seat over the full house at SFS then the Tahs will make more much needed money.
LeftArmSpinner said | January 9th 2010 @ 8:28am | Report comment
ryan, how will you grow the game with a dull playing style, a atmosphere less arena and one game a year. the new audience are not close enough to know that the brumbies is a big game. look at the turn up for the Crusaders last year, and that included all those Kiwis.
one game a year wont do it but it is sure pissing the core supporter off.
Ryan said | January 9th 2010 @ 9:49am | Report comment
LAS, agreed re the playing style. It won’t matter where they play if they follow the same game plan as 2009 then crowds will be poor. I reckon the casual, potential or cash strapped Rugby fan will look through the draw and pick which game has the most potential to be a cracker, has to be the Brumbies. The Brumbies roster is full of Wallabies stars and should be marketed that way to bring in the potential fans.
As for one game a year, you got to start somewhere. Perhaps they should look to take games with forecasted crowd under to 20k to Parra Stadium. Getting to SFS from Western Sydney on a Friday evening sucks.
Unfortunately for me I am overseas working and will only make it back for one game, the Lions.
True Tah said | January 8th 2010 @ 9:59am | Report comment
The fact is the ANZ Stadium deal is a great deal financially for the NSWRU in that they make something like 1.5M for this one game, which is more than they would get for a game at the SFS.
Last year, the Tahs drew 32K, not great, but I expect that this game should draw at least 50K. The Brumbies are our closest rivals, and they have put together a fine team for this season.
I just pray that the NSWRU actively market this game.
LeftArmSpinner said | January 9th 2010 @ 8:39am | Report comment
$1.5m, the NRL teams get $75K per game. i strongly doubt it is $1.5. however, try this you need to deduct the loss of the 7000 people who wont turn up to ANZ and like me, are thinking about not bothering with the rubbish 6 home games. for every person that abandons the tahs, the tahs lose $450. (6 games at $75 per game) With this already being the trend, why encourage it any further. so for every 1000 people, you lose $450,000 per season and then you have to add the cost of getting them back. these are not walk ups, these are long term supporters.
TT, the crusaders have greater support than Brumbies. Even during their hey days, the brumbies were well behind both Crusaders and reds for crowds at SFS. Even when members restricted some cards, there were not enough seats for everyone that had turned up. Brumbies and $50K.
The Wallabies dont get 50K!
Ryan said | January 9th 2010 @ 9:56am | Report comment
43k for France game and 80k for All Blacks
Yikes said | January 10th 2010 @ 11:58am | Report comment
LAS, where on earth do you get $450 from? NSWRU doesn’t get $75 per SFS member from the SFS!
Timmypig said | January 8th 2010 @ 10:02am | Report comment
Yep, I hope Brumbies fans drive up the Hume Hwy by the thousands. But they’ll be as bored stupid after the game as the rest of us, or at least those Waratahs fans who turn up.
“OK, that’s it for another year – what should we do now” [looks around at miles and miles of nothingness, shrugs shoulders] “Umm, go home?”
If the SFS takes a c. 40k crowd for an anticipated NSW-ACT game, then keep it at the SFS. To justify going to the soulless dump in Homebush would require a 60k + crowd to have any sort of atmosphere, and to ensure that the sports bulletins the next evening on ABC, 7, 9, 10 & SBS don’t show thousands upon thousands of empty seats.
It ain’t gonna get 60k +
LeftArmSpinner said | January 9th 2010 @ 8:41am | Report comment
guys, the Brumbies V tahs last year didnt fill Bruce. lovely autumnal evening. I was there and we just walked up. Dream on.
even at 60, there is no atmosphere.
NickF said | January 8th 2010 @ 10:19am | Report comment
I used to be a season ticket holder at the SFS for the Waratahs, but the experience as a “loyal fan” became less and less enjoyable as the seasons rolled on. The crunch came one weekend when the final match was at home, and there was a game in NZ being played before the Waratahs that could make the difference for NSW in the final series. The earlier game was promissed to be shown on the big screen, so we were told to come early to watch. We did only to find out that the big screen was being used for advertising and the only screens to watch were the little ones above the “bar”. We eventually took our seats only to be accosted by a raffle ticket salesman selling incrediblly expensive tickets, I asked where the money was going to, he explained that it was for development of the Waratahs. This was followed by fand dressed up in the teams colours being put on show under the sponsors banner, as well as a kicking comp at halftime, again under the sponsors name. It all became too overwhelming to enjoy the game. I know sponsorship is so very important, but this became unbearable. The pursuit of money is one thing but when the loyalty to fans goes from second best to unimportant, it’s time to leave.
I still follow the Waratahs, but from home.
I became a season ticket holder for the St. Geoerge Illawarra Dragons, who give you a good package along with your ticket, you get to meet the team at a couple of BBQs and other functions, the stadium is terrific, and when offered a final at homebush, the Dragons decided to play at home instead, as the win was more important than the money (we didn’t win though). I have signed up for another year. I recommend to all. And I recommend the NSW Waratah adminstration to take a close look at this example.
LeftArmSpinner said | January 9th 2010 @ 8:43am | Report comment
nick f, spot on. people remember that game, the atmosphere and that the club put them first, not the dollar. the dollars will come if you provide the right product.
Sam Taulelei said | January 8th 2010 @ 10:37am | Report comment
LAS
There was a good article in the NZ Herald a couple of days ago regarding the new stadium being built in Dunedin where the head of the new stadium has accused The Otago Rugby Union of arrogance in its treatment of it’s potential supporters. The arrogance stems from the belief in rugby circles that if you build it then people will simply come to watch a game of rugby. Otago CEO Ron Palenski conceded that it’s no longer automatic that people will go to watch games and that rugby needs to work harder to get people to follow Otago, the Highlanders and the All Blacks. People need a reason to spend money and poor customer experience will turn people away which is not always directly linked to the onfield performance of a team. There was also strong criticism of the Highlanders that they hadn’t engaged their fans enough and the general public felt disconnected from the profesional arm of rugby.
NSW is not alone and I think all unions need to take an honest appraisal of themselves in what they provide and tend for their fans.
ballboy said | January 8th 2010 @ 10:43am | Report comment
Good point Nick. Too many administartors watching the dollars and forgetting about their loyal fans. It’s amazing how well league keeps hold of their fans despite their players constantly getting into trouble. A few lessons could be learnt from them. From what I’ve heard Fagan is doing a good job with the Brumbies down in Canberra. Their base is in the heart of Canberra, the coaching staff enjoy a good rapore with the media and the public really feel a part of the team. Again, it helps having a smaller community base, no AFL side etc. The arrogance of NSWRU heirarchy seems to have finally bitten them on the arse.