Resurgent Reds will be good for the Wallabies
By formeropenside, 12 Jan 2010 The Crowd is a Roar Pro
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Queensland's Sean Hardman is tackled during the Super 14 match between the Queensland Reds and the South African Stormers in Brisbane. AAP Image/Dave Hunt.
With a horrible 2009 behind both the Reds – a twelfth placing, the underhand departure of Barnes carefully calculated to inflict maximum damage on Queensland rugby – and also the Wallabies, last in the Tri-Nations and a loss to Scotland in the Grand Sham, 2010 can be hoped for as a year of redemption for both.
While the Reds have been forced to hire ex-Tah McKenzie after the ARU told them not to re-hire Connolly, he is at least a solid coach with an emphasis on forward play that suits Queensland’s traditional strengths.
And, if the last decade has proved anything, it is that when Queensland is strong, the Wallabies are strong.
So how do the Reds line up in 2010, and what is a successful year?
I’d love for the Reds to be finals-bound, but I don’t think it’s too likely.
A solid mid-table finish with wins over traditional bitch the Tahs, and a home win over the expats and mercenaries at the Force would be nice. Beating the star-studded Brumbies, a long time bogey side dating back to S12 days, is unlikely. Hopefully better fitness will have the Reds winning tight game they have been losing for the last several years: too often the Reds have faded in the last 20 (which should be familiar from a Wallabies perspective, too).
In theory, the Reds have a strong backline, but a pack that has let them down.
In practice, I don’t think that assessment is entirely correct, and in 2010 I expect the forwards to step up (and the backs to likely let us down, but we’ll get to that).
Where the Reds fall down a little bit is depth: the first 15 players hold up pretty well, but the bench is problematic in places, and if you throw in injuries, well, it could be grim.
It all starts, of course, with the front row.
The Reds are solid here, despite the ARU-instigated loss of Rodney Blake a season or so back. Greg Holmes and Ben Daley will battle for the loosehead prop spot, with the downside being that the no.2 no.1 usually misses the bench, since a reserve THP is more important.
Holmes looked good back in 06 and 07, but since then has had a succession of knee and shoulder injuries which led to the ignominy of being worked over by Al Baxter last season. If injury-free, a fully fit Holmes could find Wallaby selection, if Benn Robinson picks up an injury or has a spectacular loss of form.
Ben Daley looked the goods last year in a few games, but looks perhaps a little light for a prop at 108kg. Still, he turned in strong performances at scrumtime and around the park, and could take the no.1 jersey from Holmes (or, possibly, Holmes might switch to THP, which is where he broke into the Queensland side originally).
Sean Hardman is a hooker’s hooker: solid in the scrum, pinpoint at lineout time, and limited around the park. He’s not a runner like Moore or a ballplayer like TPN, but pulled off some brutal tackles in the tight in 2009, and recycled possession well when he found himself with the pill.
He’s been around since forever, and has always put pressure on more fancied hookers. He broke an arm in the final minute of Brothers 2009 GF win, but should be fit for Super 14 game 1.
Behind him though are Saia Faingaa and James Hanson. Faingaa had a pile of chances last season, and its probably fair to say took none of them, with his lineout throwing TPN-like at times. Australia U-20 hooker James Hanson, fresh from a stint the NPC, may end up as the no2 no2 by season’s end.
With Alec Evans back as forwards coach however, there will probably be a return to focusing on the core skills of a hooker rather than the ability to play as an extra backrower.
It is generally accepted that the THP and reserve THP are the first and second most important people in the team list. This puts Queensland in an interesting position – there is Laurie Weeks, ex-Sydney Uni and unwanted by NSW (who preferred Jeremy Tilse, and have for some years now).
Weeks was Rookie of the Year in 2009, and was solid in the scrum.
The other contender is Dayna Edwards, who had a great 2008 until crippled by injury, and who also struggled with injury in 2009. Edwards was part of a strong scrum in the opening rounds of 2008, and if he can recover that form, the Queensland scrum will be strong.
Around the park however, Weeks is limited and Edwards more so.
That can be tolerated so long as the scrum is strong. Injury may mean that one or both players are not up to scratch, or will miss games altogether, in which case Jack Kennedy may add to his handful of Super 14 caps.
A smokey for game time at 3 is James Slipper, currently in the Academy, who was an Australian U-20 last year. He may overtake Jack Kennedy in the pecking order.
The second row is another delicatrely balanced position for the Reds to fill, not helped by the ARU refusing MMM a dispensation to play for his beloved Reds in 2010 prior to taking up a Japanese contract. James Horwill showed a welcome return to form on the Wallaby Spring Tour, and that form and more will be needed to lead from the front for the Reds.
His partner will likely be evergreen Van Humphries as lineout general. Van is however, well into his 90′s by now and the problem with getting older is that injuries take a lot longer to fully heal. Its likely Van will probably miss several games with injury, so the backup locks become important.
It might be that Horwill has to bite the bullet and take over calling lineouts, or give the job to Hardman, or perhaps even a backrower.
Unfortunately, those backup locks are not proven. Adam Byrnes was promising last season, but doesn’t look like a future Wallaby at present. Young Rob Simmons (20) has had limited game time. Ezra Taylor might be an option, but he lacks height (although if Dave Dennis can play second row for the Wallabies, perhaps not).
Queensland backrow is a case of what should have been – Mowen, Pocock, and Chapman, with Dick Brown on the bench. Instead, with Croft’s retirement a while back there is All Black Daniel Braid at 7, with Higginbotham the likely 6 and Houston jostling with Ezra Taylor for the 8 spot.
As this is the last year on Braid’s contract, look for new recruit Tomiki and Andrew Shaw to see some game time to properly blood them. Hopefully young Shaw will not be lost to the Melbourne franchise in 2011, as he looked a real talent last year, despite staying in the Academy in 2010.
Higginbotham, Houston and Taylor are all trying to fit into the 6 or 8 positions, with PVT Luafutu not far behind (and Luafutu can also cover 7 in a pinch, which may aid in snagging a bench spot). Higginbotham is a genuine 6 in that he is a 3rd lineout option, strong runner and hard defender.
Taylor is a bit injury prone, but much the same type, save he prefers 8. Either could lose the spot to Leroy Houston, who at his best is a devastating runner. The problem is that his defence is shaky, especially if he has to turn or attempt lateral movement. Also, sometimes he just does not show up.
His best role might be as a bench weapon coming on in the last 20 with fresh legs. Hopefully he can stay fit and focused in 2010. Young Academy backrowers Schatz (an
or Ed Quirk (6) may also find themselves with some game time if injuries strike.
The backs however, despite looking good on paper, may be a problem due to injuries, retirements and poaching. Remember that out of last year’s backline, Barnes has defected, McLinden and Fetoai have retired due to neck injuries, Va’aulu has been injured over the offseason and may or may not be fit, and question marks remain on what Quade Cooper will be doing.
Throw in the loss of reserve half McKibbin to NSW, and things look somewhat grim.
The halfback role will be filled by Will Genia, subject to injuries.
After a few years of wrestling with both Nic Berry and Ben Lucas for the spot, Genia is surely an automatic selection this time around, as the incumbent Wallaby half. Usually, Ben Lucas would be the other 9 discussed, but with his ability to play 10 or 12, it might be that the bench spot goes to young Wallaby Kingi, fresh from a cameo or two in last years Super 14.
Kingi forced McKibbin to move south for greater opportunity, and is apparently impressing all with his skill and determination (although, to be fair he is only up against New South Welshmen: refer Berrick Barnes as the NSW strongman winner, with another former Queenslaner Nedolo as the runner up).
Depending on what the ARU decide to allow Quade Cooper to do, it might be that Lucas is the starting 10 (or it might be in any case, with Cooper at 12). Another other option is Academy player Jono Lance, with Anthony Faingaa a last resort.
The last inside back spot to be filled is 12 – and the contenders are Turinui, Cooper, and Anthony Faingaa. Turinui will hopefully be hungry after missing 2009 with injury, and will have used the time off to repair defensive lapses that were apparent in 2008.
While a fine attacking player with a good rugby brain, defence may be an issue. He is probably the best choice for 12, outside Cooper, while putting the 13 into holes.
While Digby Ioane is the current Wallaby outside centre, and was a revelation in the position in 2008, another option is league convert Will Chambers, or even Peter Hynes. Both Va’aulu and Fetoia would have been reserves for the spot, but are not available.
The wings may have Luke Morahan and Peter Hynes as the first choice wingers, but that tends to leave a hole at 15. The answer is probably Chambers to one wing, with Hynes to fullback.
The loss of McLinden to a career-ending neck condition is perhaps the greatest loss to the Reds, Barnes notwithstanding. McLinden was quick, a balanced runner, and starting to look like a potential Wallaby fullback. Lucas or Cooper are other options at 15.
The backline then looks good at first glance, but has little depth to cope with injuries. Rod Davies is speedy but showed little else when turning out for the Reds in 09, and Blair Connor was similarly unimpressive. Both may come good in 2010, as may Aiden Toua, but that’s a gamble rather than a statement of confidence.
What Queensland have to do is play smart rugby, within the bounds of what they can do. Get fit, scrummage effectively, defend.
Rugby is a simple game, as shown by the Queensland teams of the 90s.
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rugbyfuture said | January 12th 2010 @ 1:51am | Report comment
Whilst i don’t condone the reds winning over the tahs, i think a strong performance this year would provide a very good platform for the rebels and over all rugby. the main problem has been, though, that the australian teams have performed too consistently, in that they stay in the middle ranks of the table over and over. this has meant people havent really acted as hard as they would if they ended up last and that they havent won anything. hopefully this season can change things and clear a path for the 2011 super rugby tournament
Spook said | January 12th 2010 @ 3:29am | Report comment
Hi FOS, good to see you alive and kicking.
formeropenside said | January 12th 2010 @ 2:09pm | Report comment
PS – howdy Spook. All well? How’s the young one going?
LeftArmSpinner said | January 12th 2010 @ 6:48am | Report comment
read the article from top to bottom and as I did, I began to conclude that there were jsut too many names that I didnt know for the reds to be anything more than koalas this season and next. sure, if the young guys stand up, all well and good, but mnay of the names are not young. Humphries, taylor , braid etc. it doesnt look good.
formeropenside said | January 12th 2010 @ 7:16am | Report comment
Yeah, its the problem with spreading the resources of two player producing States into four (and soon to be five) teams. There is bugger all depth: the run on team is OK, the reserves bench a bit shaky. But throw injuries into the picture and it looks grim.
anopinion said | January 12th 2010 @ 7:25am | Report comment
FOS sounds like you are on the coaching staff and trying to get the team motivated. I enjoyed reading this article, can I take exception however to a couple of things?
You say
McLinden was quick, a balanced runner, and starting to look like a potential Wallaby fullback.
Sean Hardman is a hooker’s hooker: solid in the scrum, pinpoint at lineout time
Really? These are not the the assessments we usually hear about these guys.
You say
the ARU-instigated loss of Rodney Blake
Blake asked for too much money and used the threat of going OS as leverage. The ARU said bon voyage. If they did this more often some money would be left in the ARU bank account. It was a good call.
Blair Connor is an out centre but the Reds play him on the wing. Thus he has not had a chance to shine. Better to put him at 13 and Ioane on the wing.
Richard Brown was not recruited to the Reds and it is not a big loss. The off field problems he would bring outweigh any rugby talent he has.
Shatz and Houston are the laziest professional footballers in the world. Please do us all a favour and move them to Melbourne.
Banger said | January 12th 2010 @ 9:47pm | Report comment
what did brown do, get nabbed for playing with a wild bird. most people might think that would be a step forward from the crap that cooper and houston have pulled in the past
anopinion said | January 13th 2010 @ 11:06am | Report comment
Kicking a docile bird that is close to extinction is not a minor offense. Brown went to a school in Brisbane and was not an ideal student or person. No coincidence the same can be said of Cooper.
chris, syd Aust said | January 13th 2010 @ 1:06pm | Report comment
blair connor is a snap dog, he got man handled in the reds games i watched in 09 when he was on the wing. Unless he has buled up significantly i cant see him playing at out centre any time soon esp with a wallaby 13 already there.
i’d have chambers and Morahan on hte wings and hynes at FB like you have said.
i keen to see lee tomiki do big things. i remember seeing him in GPS rugby and he had a monster tackle.
sheek said | January 12th 2010 @ 7:41am | Report comment
Yeah, agree with the sentiment. With all the Aussie teams playing at their vintage best – the Reds are like the Boks, tough forwards, uncompromising defence & lethal counterattack.
The Tahs are like the ABs – technical proficiency in both forwards & backs, mixing their game up as the circumstances dictate. The Brumbies like the Wallas – the entertainers, flocking fans to their vibrant style of game. Don’t know about the Force – maybe they’re like the dysfunctional French?!
Sam Taulelei said | January 12th 2010 @ 11:29am | Report comment
‘The Tahs are like the ABs – technical proficiency in both forwards & backs’
LOL that’s a hell of a bouquet for the Waratahs Sheek.
sheek said | January 12th 2010 @ 12:39pm | Report comment
Sam T,
I did say “playing at their vintage best”….. !
Bay35Pablo said | January 12th 2010 @ 1:28pm | Report comment
We had a vintage year? In the professional era? What year was it … ?
sheek said | January 13th 2010 @ 9:28am | Report comment
Uuumm… eerrrr… aaahh… ???
Wavell Wakefield said | January 13th 2010 @ 4:19am | Report comment
I bet Robbie Deans would like to see his side described as entertainers who thrill fans with a vibrant brand.
Bay35Pablo said | January 12th 2010 @ 7:57am | Report comment
“underhand departure of Barnes carefully calculated to inflict maximum damage on Queensland rugby ”
What’s underhanded in him falling into our lap?
Maddog said | January 12th 2010 @ 8:33am | Report comment
Agree with you there Pablo! There is always going to be a movement of players during the off season, afterall we operate in a free economy where players are not restrained (thankfully!) by drafts or trades.
FOS, I noticed a fair amount on sinicism in your comments directed towards the ARU and the NSWRU. Perhaps taking a closer look at the disfunctional management of the Reds over the past 6 seasons would be a better target for your criticisms. No one is perfect, but we all need to look after our own backyard first.
I enjoyed your article and agree that we all need to see a stronger Reds outfit in 2010, but a ‘woe is me/Queensland’ attitude that puts the chip firmly back on Queenslands shoulder is not helpful for the Reds or Australian rugby as a whole.
Banger said | January 12th 2010 @ 9:14pm | Report comment
No coincidence that he only signed with the tards after Tuquiris departure. I wonder where all that third party money of Lotes went.
Brett McKay said | January 12th 2010 @ 7:59am | Report comment
good stuff FOS, and I agree a strong Qld side is a good thing for Australian rugby. There’s some names in there that have the perfect chance to stand up as you’ve said, though a lot obviously hangs on what becomes of Quade Cooper, which you’ve also acknowledged.
One question, is Luke Morahan an option at fullback?? The limited snips of him I saw during the Wallaby tour showed him to be a pretty handy customer in open space, I just wonder what he might be like at the back, and thus leaving Hynes and Chambers on the wings?
Actually, one more question: would you care to elaborate on “..the underhand departure of Barnes carefully calculated to inflict maximum damage on Queensland rugby…”??
Mike G said | January 12th 2010 @ 8:49am | Report comment
Feeling a little sad about the woeful state of affairs in the northern state huh FOS??? Some of your potshots are classic John Connoly-like…very funny!! I seriously cannot believe you mention Houston as though he is a weapon!!! What a joke, that guy was a disgrace to Aus rugby last yr & should be playing off the bench in 5th grade subbies…For what it’s worth let me give you what i feel is the strongest 15 you have (from a non biased viewpoint)
1 B Daley
2 Hardmen
3 Weeks
4 Byrnes
5 Horwill
6 Higgin
7 Braid (c)
8 Taylor
9 Genia
10 Lucas
11 Hynes
12 Cooper
13 Digby
14 Chambers
15 Morahan
I havn’t seen enough of the others to name a bench, but i reckon if this 15 stayed fit you’d finish about…ummm…7th!
Enjoy the season hahahaha
reds fan said | January 12th 2010 @ 8:56am | Report comment
Why make a guy looking to leave and with only a year to play on his contract captain?
reds fan said | January 12th 2010 @ 8:57am | Report comment
But besides your choice of captain I agree with you assessment of the starting team.
Mike G said | January 12th 2010 @ 2:35pm | Report comment
I think it’s the best mix of youth/experience you’ve got…& i chose Braid as capt as I’m not convince Horwill is leadership material. I hope for your sake I’m wrong, but he doesn’t strike me as being up to it…Braid on the other hand is a “follow me” type, & who cares if he’s only around for 1 season…You guys have got to stop thinking about 2, 3, 5 year plans & get results…Braid is that type
formeropenside said | January 12th 2010 @ 9:39am | Report comment
All I said is that Houston can be a devastating runner, and can pop a pass in the tackle. He does have undoubted ability. You will note that I have concerns over his defence, fitness, workload and commitment. All that said, I do think he could be useful off the bench (or converted to prop).
At the moment, I’d take a 7th spot on the table without any questions at all!
Comrade Bear said | January 12th 2010 @ 12:19pm | Report comment
I though Braid had a pretty ordinary 2009, and 2010 sees him coming back from injury. Not a captain in my mind.
anopinion said | January 13th 2010 @ 11:12am | Report comment
Tomiki will be the first choice number 7 soon enough.
Bay35Pablo said | January 12th 2010 @ 1:27pm | Report comment
Can’t make Braid captain! He’sa kiwi. A Kiwi as Qld captain?!?!? That’s like making a Kiwi Wallbies coach!!! Oh …
Surely Horwill or Hardman.
Spencer said | January 12th 2010 @ 2:29pm | Report comment
I thought the twins at the Reds were named Faiinga – not HardmEn!
anopinion said | January 13th 2010 @ 11:20am | Report comment
Can we really rely on Cooper after a few good games for the Wallabies? The Wallaby pack went forward, the Qld pack will not. he missed so many tackles last year and dropped so many balls. One stat that is missing is how many wrong options he took last year. I attended every Reds game and Cooper was the king of wrong options.
reds fan said | January 13th 2010 @ 11:25am | Report comment
i can only agree anopinion. i attended all home games and the overriding memory of last year is the anguished cries of “not again Quade!”
Harry said | January 12th 2010 @ 8:51am | Report comment
Excellent read FOS with your insider perspective, particularly the focus on how we’ll go against the other Australian teams … there are 10 other teams in the comp as well!
The head says don’t be overly optimistic for the Reds season, as you say there is a lack of depth and some players who realistically shouldn’t have S14 contracts … Rod Davies, Brandon Vaa’lu, Van Humphreys, Rob Simmons, Adam Byrnes, the Faingaa’s; and others who should have to pass a rigourous fitness test … Leroy Houston, Greg Holmes, Morgan Tuirini.
As ever come the kickoff I will be supporting Queensland, and what a wonderful thing it would be for Australian rugby if they fire.
We have 3 home games first up against NSW, Canterbury and Auckland (at Ballymore, good!).
Go Reds!!
Bay35Pablo said | January 12th 2010 @ 1:28pm | Report comment
Tough start to the season. If you win 1 you’ll be doing well, and 2 you’ll be firing!