Resurgent Reds will be good for the Wallabies
By formeropenside, 12 Jan 2010 The Crowd is a Roar Guru
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Queensland's Sean Hardman is tackled during the Super 14 match between the Queensland Reds and the South African Stormers in Brisbane. AAP Image/Dave Hunt.
With a horrible 2009 behind both the Reds – a twelfth placing, the underhand departure of Barnes carefully calculated to inflict maximum damage on Queensland rugby – and also the Wallabies, last in the Tri-Nations and a loss to Scotland in the Grand Sham, 2010 can be hoped for as a year of redemption for both.
While the Reds have been forced to hire ex-Tah McKenzie after the ARU told them not to re-hire Connolly, he is at least a solid coach with an emphasis on forward play that suits Queensland’s traditional strengths.
And, if the last decade has proved anything, it is that when Queensland is strong, the Wallabies are strong.
So how do the Reds line up in 2010, and what is a successful year?
I’d love for the Reds to be finals-bound, but I don’t think it’s too likely.
A solid mid-table finish with wins over traditional bitch the Tahs, and a home win over the expats and mercenaries at the Force would be nice. Beating the star-studded Brumbies, a long time bogey side dating back to S12 days, is unlikely. Hopefully better fitness will have the Reds winning tight game they have been losing for the last several years: too often the Reds have faded in the last 20 (which should be familiar from a Wallabies perspective, too).
In theory, the Reds have a strong backline, but a pack that has let them down.
In practice, I don’t think that assessment is entirely correct, and in 2010 I expect the forwards to step up (and the backs to likely let us down, but we’ll get to that).
Where the Reds fall down a little bit is depth: the first 15 players hold up pretty well, but the bench is problematic in places, and if you throw in injuries, well, it could be grim.
It all starts, of course, with the front row.
The Reds are solid here, despite the ARU-instigated loss of Rodney Blake a season or so back. Greg Holmes and Ben Daley will battle for the loosehead prop spot, with the downside being that the no.2 no.1 usually misses the bench, since a reserve THP is more important.
Holmes looked good back in 06 and 07, but since then has had a succession of knee and shoulder injuries which led to the ignominy of being worked over by Al Baxter last season. If injury-free, a fully fit Holmes could find Wallaby selection, if Benn Robinson picks up an injury or has a spectacular loss of form.
Ben Daley looked the goods last year in a few games, but looks perhaps a little light for a prop at 108kg. Still, he turned in strong performances at scrumtime and around the park, and could take the no.1 jersey from Holmes (or, possibly, Holmes might switch to THP, which is where he broke into the Queensland side originally).
Sean Hardman is a hooker’s hooker: solid in the scrum, pinpoint at lineout time, and limited around the park. He’s not a runner like Moore or a ballplayer like TPN, but pulled off some brutal tackles in the tight in 2009, and recycled possession well when he found himself with the pill.
He’s been around since forever, and has always put pressure on more fancied hookers. He broke an arm in the final minute of Brothers 2009 GF win, but should be fit for Super 14 game 1.
Behind him though are Saia Faingaa and James Hanson. Faingaa had a pile of chances last season, and its probably fair to say took none of them, with his lineout throwing TPN-like at times. Australia U-20 hooker James Hanson, fresh from a stint the NPC, may end up as the no2 no2 by season’s end.
With Alec Evans back as forwards coach however, there will probably be a return to focusing on the core skills of a hooker rather than the ability to play as an extra backrower.
It is generally accepted that the THP and reserve THP are the first and second most important people in the team list. This puts Queensland in an interesting position – there is Laurie Weeks, ex-Sydney Uni and unwanted by NSW (who preferred Jeremy Tilse, and have for some years now).
Weeks was Rookie of the Year in 2009, and was solid in the scrum.
The other contender is Dayna Edwards, who had a great 2008 until crippled by injury, and who also struggled with injury in 2009. Edwards was part of a strong scrum in the opening rounds of 2008, and if he can recover that form, the Queensland scrum will be strong.
Around the park however, Weeks is limited and Edwards more so.
That can be tolerated so long as the scrum is strong. Injury may mean that one or both players are not up to scratch, or will miss games altogether, in which case Jack Kennedy may add to his handful of Super 14 caps.
A smokey for game time at 3 is James Slipper, currently in the Academy, who was an Australian U-20 last year. He may overtake Jack Kennedy in the pecking order.
The second row is another delicatrely balanced position for the Reds to fill, not helped by the ARU refusing MMM a dispensation to play for his beloved Reds in 2010 prior to taking up a Japanese contract. James Horwill showed a welcome return to form on the Wallaby Spring Tour, and that form and more will be needed to lead from the front for the Reds.
His partner will likely be evergreen Van Humphries as lineout general. Van is however, well into his 90′s by now and the problem with getting older is that injuries take a lot longer to fully heal. Its likely Van will probably miss several games with injury, so the backup locks become important.
It might be that Horwill has to bite the bullet and take over calling lineouts, or give the job to Hardman, or perhaps even a backrower.
Unfortunately, those backup locks are not proven. Adam Byrnes was promising last season, but doesn’t look like a future Wallaby at present. Young Rob Simmons (20) has had limited game time. Ezra Taylor might be an option, but he lacks height (although if Dave Dennis can play second row for the Wallabies, perhaps not).
Queensland backrow is a case of what should have been – Mowen, Pocock, and Chapman, with Dick Brown on the bench. Instead, with Croft’s retirement a while back there is All Black Daniel Braid at 7, with Higginbotham the likely 6 and Houston jostling with Ezra Taylor for the 8 spot.
As this is the last year on Braid’s contract, look for new recruit Tomiki and Andrew Shaw to see some game time to properly blood them. Hopefully young Shaw will not be lost to the Melbourne franchise in 2011, as he looked a real talent last year, despite staying in the Academy in 2010.
Higginbotham, Houston and Taylor are all trying to fit into the 6 or 8 positions, with PVT Luafutu not far behind (and Luafutu can also cover 7 in a pinch, which may aid in snagging a bench spot). Higginbotham is a genuine 6 in that he is a 3rd lineout option, strong runner and hard defender.
Taylor is a bit injury prone, but much the same type, save he prefers 8. Either could lose the spot to Leroy Houston, who at his best is a devastating runner. The problem is that his defence is shaky, especially if he has to turn or attempt lateral movement. Also, sometimes he just does not show up.
His best role might be as a bench weapon coming on in the last 20 with fresh legs. Hopefully he can stay fit and focused in 2010. Young Academy backrowers Schatz (an
or Ed Quirk (6) may also find themselves with some game time if injuries strike.
The backs however, despite looking good on paper, may be a problem due to injuries, retirements and poaching. Remember that out of last year’s backline, Barnes has defected, McLinden and Fetoai have retired due to neck injuries, Va’aulu has been injured over the offseason and may or may not be fit, and question marks remain on what Quade Cooper will be doing.
Throw in the loss of reserve half McKibbin to NSW, and things look somewhat grim.
The halfback role will be filled by Will Genia, subject to injuries.
After a few years of wrestling with both Nic Berry and Ben Lucas for the spot, Genia is surely an automatic selection this time around, as the incumbent Wallaby half. Usually, Ben Lucas would be the other 9 discussed, but with his ability to play 10 or 12, it might be that the bench spot goes to young Wallaby Kingi, fresh from a cameo or two in last years Super 14.
Kingi forced McKibbin to move south for greater opportunity, and is apparently impressing all with his skill and determination (although, to be fair he is only up against New South Welshmen: refer Berrick Barnes as the NSW strongman winner, with another former Queenslaner Nedolo as the runner up).
Depending on what the ARU decide to allow Quade Cooper to do, it might be that Lucas is the starting 10 (or it might be in any case, with Cooper at 12). Another other option is Academy player Jono Lance, with Anthony Faingaa a last resort.
The last inside back spot to be filled is 12 – and the contenders are Turinui, Cooper, and Anthony Faingaa. Turinui will hopefully be hungry after missing 2009 with injury, and will have used the time off to repair defensive lapses that were apparent in 2008.
While a fine attacking player with a good rugby brain, defence may be an issue. He is probably the best choice for 12, outside Cooper, while putting the 13 into holes.
While Digby Ioane is the current Wallaby outside centre, and was a revelation in the position in 2008, another option is league convert Will Chambers, or even Peter Hynes. Both Va’aulu and Fetoia would have been reserves for the spot, but are not available.
The wings may have Luke Morahan and Peter Hynes as the first choice wingers, but that tends to leave a hole at 15. The answer is probably Chambers to one wing, with Hynes to fullback.
The loss of McLinden to a career-ending neck condition is perhaps the greatest loss to the Reds, Barnes notwithstanding. McLinden was quick, a balanced runner, and starting to look like a potential Wallaby fullback. Lucas or Cooper are other options at 15.
The backline then looks good at first glance, but has little depth to cope with injuries. Rod Davies is speedy but showed little else when turning out for the Reds in 09, and Blair Connor was similarly unimpressive. Both may come good in 2010, as may Aiden Toua, but that’s a gamble rather than a statement of confidence.
What Queensland have to do is play smart rugby, within the bounds of what they can do. Get fit, scrummage effectively, defend.
Rugby is a simple game, as shown by the Queensland teams of the 90s.
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January 12th 2010 @ 8:54am
reds fan said | January 12th 2010 @ 8:54am | Report comment
For those asking above Mclinden was balanced and fast, and also great under the high ball. As our only recognised 15 he is a major loss.
I’m not going to discuss the leaving of Barnes, suffice to say he will never wear Red again. You have to question the leadership quality of a guy who walks out on a team cos it all became too hard.
For me the biggest issue for the Reds is the pack.
In the propping department there are 4 decent candidates who are now being coached by real scrum and forward coaches.
The hookers have to be Hardman and Hanson. Faingaa is blunder prone. Only to be selected in an emergency.
In the second row I expect Jimmy H (a real leader by the way) to be waiting each week to hear who’ll be partnering him. Van H put in some of laziest defensive displays since … er well… Morgan T. Byrne thinks being “an enforcer” is being a good player. He needs to get smart. Simmons is young and inexperienced. Hopefully he’s is a least competent.
The backrow is series of what might be. At 7, Braid was looking to leave until his ankle injury meant all suitors found other lovers. Tomeki and Shaw are the future so hopefully they impress.
At 6 we have Higginbotham. Needs to get his short fuse lengthened. He has all the attributes of a good 6 but hasn’t developed any consistency or intelligence. I think Poutasi will find himself backup 6/7, and is another that is just shy of the level required.
At 8, as FOS said there is the injury prone Taylor (who can also play lock.. albeit a bit short), and the, as mentioned, laziest professional rugby player in the country Leroy Houston. I believe this is the first place to look to see what impact the new coaching regime is having. If Leroy hits the paddock looking trim and fit and energetic they might just be making some head way.
All in all though, there are too many players that have so far lacked the intelligence and consistecy to be quality Super rugby standard players.
After a summer of beaches and mangoes I will be watching with a fresh well of hope.
January 12th 2010 @ 9:06am
Hoy said | January 12th 2010 @ 9:06am | Report comment
Pray we go good this year but I have some problems with key positions:
Front row: Some former Wallabies, but no current ones, and all not even close at the moment I would say. Although as you say, only a few injuries away. Having said that, they are not exactly knocking on the door at the moment. The fact that journeyman Hardman is the Reds most capped player really offends me actually, when you look at the great former players that have played for QLD. This bloke has as many caps as minutes he has actually played. He has played second fiddle to almost every other hooker QLD has had, and only recently has he got the starting spot. So many caps doesn’t equate to quality sadly.
Second row: Van Humpries has been around for ever. I am not sure he is good enough to offer something to the young blokes as a teacher is he? He has been around long enough, but again, not exactly knocking on the door for higher honours. Would we be better to just slap him on the bench now, and blood a good young second rower?
Back row: Number 8 is a massive problem. Ezra Taylor didn’t impress too much last year, and Houston somehow is the only professional sportsman outside weightlifters and some wrestlers who actually got fatter. How that bloke ballooned out so much last year stumps me. Don’t the Reds have fitenss gurus working on running these blokes up and down the oval? Prodigy when he was about 18, massive unit at 22.
Backline: Quade Cooper has thrown a spanner in the works. What to do now? Will he play? Will he go to jail? Our backs have been exciting on paper, and mediocre in reality for a while. To be honest, Va’aulu and Fetoia were hardly ground breaking players. Are their injuries really going to make much difference to the team? Ask yourself would they have made any other Super team? Really? McLinden? Valued now he is gone, but I would not have bought him, as two years later, we are back at the start without a good fullback. We could have used those two years to groom the hell out of some young buck to be a good 15. It is always the QLD problem. They buy some old player to fill a hole, and then two years later, we are no closer to having fixed the shortage, so they go out and buy another old player to fill the hole, and so it goes.
Coach: I hope to hell McKenzie does something good with the team. Fitness would be a good start. We have a massive tendency to fall off in the final stages of the game. One thing I will say is I at least enjoyed the Reds having a go in 2009, running the ball. That was enjoyable. My concern is that McKenzie has been fired from his last two jobs. Fair enough, maybe the NSW sacking was harsh, but he didn’t set the world on fire for Stade either. I don’t like how he was hired either, with his good mate axing Mooney almost immediatley after McKenzie was sacked from Stade. A little convenient, with shit excuses given for the sacking of Mooney.
I have had massive problems with the recruitment at the Reds for around a decade now. How the Reds let so many Wallabies leave QLD to play elsewhere is astounding. I hope Horan and Herbert and Crowley make a bit of a difference in the back office.
January 12th 2010 @ 1:23pm
Conor said | January 12th 2010 @ 1:23pm | Report comment
Im pretty sure that the hiring of Mckenzie is pretty much all about fixing the recruitment problems your talking about, I liked Mooney, he was a likeable guy, and i think he was getting some good things done at the reds, however, he isnt a big name like Mckenzie who can hopefully attract the big names to join and convince the present ones to stay. I mean Gasnier said a few times Mckenzie is the reason he chose to play for SF, as an example
January 12th 2010 @ 9:21pm
Banger said | January 12th 2010 @ 9:21pm | Report comment
At least Hardman has had the guts to stay and try to help out the rebuilding process, shows he may be the only player that appreciates what those former greats (that he was good enough to play with) did for the state.
January 13th 2010 @ 9:04am
Hoy said | January 13th 2010 @ 9:04am | Report comment
Thats true Banger. You are right there.
January 12th 2010 @ 9:08am
The Link said | January 12th 2010 @ 9:08am | Report comment
Good preview, however we’ve heard it all before with the Reds. The difference this time is they have a proven winning coach. This should ensure a competitive season and a marginal improve on 12th, but hard to see them challenging the big boys.
January 12th 2010 @ 9:44pm
Banger said | January 12th 2010 @ 9:44pm | Report comment
what exactly has this winning coach actually ever won?
January 12th 2010 @ 11:37am
Roger said | January 12th 2010 @ 11:37am | Report comment
For what its worth, Reds have Holmes, Horwill, Braid and Higginbotham as S15 class forwards. The rest are currently pretenders and I expect Reds to have a season much like the force previously, plenty of razzle dazzle but no forward power.
I am still utterly confuised why McMeniman left…I understand he was probably told “look Hughie,. this is your 24th leg/shoulder injury, you probably only have 2 years of rugby left in your body, take the yen and run”, but it seems such a waste.
January 12th 2010 @ 1:25pm
Harry said | January 12th 2010 @ 1:25pm | Report comment
Yep, thats what the mirror told him Roger … good luck to him, but don’t thnik that anyone but McMeniman himself was responsible for him making the decision to take the easy yen ..
January 12th 2010 @ 11:59am
Skip said | January 12th 2010 @ 11:59am | Report comment
The biggest Losses to the Reds are Mooney and Emtage, Perhaps Barnes new these 2 were departing.
Unfortunatley there are 2 many holes in the squad for the Reds and no genuine 10 (cooper is better at 12).
Lucas is a great premier grade player not up to S14 IMHO.
Unfortunatley there are no real stars in Premier Rugby Or Premier Colts (The QRU needs to adress the Colts issues and promote it along with Premier Rugby) that are ready to step up. Ed Quirk has great potential as does Morahan.
Jono Ellis of GPS is tuff enough but is over looked for those with a better “pedigree”.
Bothers are blessed with talent like Sawer etc but are the S14 quality? Whilst I hate to say it Brothers will step up another gear this season under the guidance of the astute Carl Marshall ( How dumb were West to let one of QLDs smartest young coaches go)
In summary the reds dont have depth in thier squad and there Premier comps are not generating more cattle.
January 12th 2010 @ 12:11pm
reds fan said | January 12th 2010 @ 12:11pm | Report comment
While I was really liking some of what Mooney was doing the reality is that he took a team that finished last or 14th in 2007, to 12th in 08, and then 13th in 09.
Professional sports is cut throat. You need to deliver improvement.
January 12th 2010 @ 9:39pm
Banger said | January 12th 2010 @ 9:39pm | Report comment
I think that lucas can do the job at ten, he can leave all the creative stuff for cooper and tuirinui and just focus on guiding the team around the park, and with his kicking game he should be more then capable of doing that.
January 12th 2010 @ 12:01pm
Jameswm said | January 12th 2010 @ 12:01pm | Report comment
Yep a resurgent Reds would be good for Australian rugby. I agree.
But what are the chances of the Reds having a good to solid year? You’re kidding, aren’t you?
And the Tahs being the Reds’ traditional bitch? How long is it since the Reds beat the Tahs?
I’m afraid the basis of the whole article (the Reds finishing mid-table) is flawed. The “will” in the title of the article should read “would”.
January 12th 2010 @ 12:06pm
Comrade Bear said | January 12th 2010 @ 12:06pm | Report comment
For the first time in years I don’t have that ‘New Season – we are going to do well’ optimism.
We have lost 3 starters from last year:
- MMM (when fit of course)
- Barnes
- McLinden
Maybe 4 if Quade (Muppet) Cooper does not find God in time.
and replaced them with:
- Will Chambers.
- Lei Tomeki
Last year we finished 13th.
However – surely we can’t play that bad and finsh in the bottom three 7 years in a row?
I am going for 11 place this year.
The Brumbies are the team to get ino the habbit of winning and provide the nucleas of a winning Wallabies in 2010.
January 12th 2010 @ 12:13pm
reds fan said | January 12th 2010 @ 12:13pm | Report comment
Comrade i’m with you on the optimism level.. each year starts with a dwindling supply…
January 12th 2010 @ 12:30pm
Comrade Bear said | January 12th 2010 @ 12:30pm | Report comment
I think what I am looking forward to most is what you mentioned in an earlier post – and what might perhaps be the best indicator of how the Reds will go in 2010 – the size of Leroy Houston’s guts!
Lets hope less guts = more fitness in the last twenty and ‘hopefully’ a few cheeky wins.
Never-the-less :: I received my Season Tickets over the Christmas break and will be at every game enjoying beers with great mates in awesome weather – whatever rugby turns up will be a bonus!
January 12th 2010 @ 1:28pm
Harry said | January 12th 2010 @ 1:28pm | Report comment
Spot on comrade …whatever happens I will be supporting them. With those forwards, I suspect we’ll finish in the bottom 4 but hope desperately I’m wrong.
January 12th 2010 @ 1:33pm
reds fan said | January 12th 2010 @ 1:33pm | Report comment
same. warm nights. cold beer. and hopefully some entertaining rugby. heroes and villians.
January 12th 2010 @ 3:29pm
Harry said | January 12th 2010 @ 3:29pm | Report comment
Especially the Auckland game at Ballymore. By that stage we will have 2 great wins under our belts, smashing NSW (Cooper plays all over barnes) and Canterbury (Houston smashes McCaw), and another crushing bonus pount win to the mighty Queensland will cement our position at the top fo the table.
Always nice to dream before the season begins …
January 12th 2010 @ 12:29pm
Brett McKay said | January 12th 2010 @ 12:29pm | Report comment
is it wrong of me to hope all four teams do well this year?? Some better than others, obviously!!
I mean if a resurgent Reds is good for the Wallabies, then surely all four teams in the top half would be better!!
January 12th 2010 @ 12:35pm
formeropenside said | January 12th 2010 @ 12:35pm | Report comment
Not really, history has proved that when Queensland is strong, Australia is strong. No such correlation can be applied to other teams, except possibly the Brumbies in 99-03 (during which Queensland were semi-final contenders also, as a rule).
January 12th 2010 @ 12:47pm
chris McKay said | January 12th 2010 @ 12:47pm | Report comment
Rock solid analysis but as always is the case for the Reds – the team looks good on paper and in pre-season but 1 or 2 injuries usually decimates the team and they struggle from there.
Cooper has a lot to deal with n and off the field and it will be interesting to see how he goes with no Barneds or Giteau to help him around the park. He needs a tough season and this will prove to be one for him and the REDS.
PS – the Tahs will bitch slap the Reds – as usual!
January 12th 2010 @ 12:54pm
reds fan said | January 12th 2010 @ 12:54pm | Report comment
i think it was 15-11 last year… not quite a bitch slap.
January 12th 2010 @ 1:13pm
Chris said | January 12th 2010 @ 1:13pm | Report comment
You know Queensland rugby has well and truly gone to s*** when their fans are happy to have only lost by 4 points to NSW. Imagine the same thing being said even 5 years ago.
January 12th 2010 @ 1:20pm
reds fan said | January 12th 2010 @ 1:20pm | Report comment
never said i was happy about it.
January 12th 2010 @ 1:24pm
Bay35Pablo said | January 12th 2010 @ 1:24pm | Report comment
tahs should have won by more. We played down to your level.
January 12th 2010 @ 1:29pm
reds fan said | January 12th 2010 @ 1:29pm | Report comment
call it what you will.
January 13th 2010 @ 11:04am
Bay35Pablo said | January 13th 2010 @ 11:04am | Report comment
January 12th 2010 @ 1:26pm
Bay35Pablo said | January 12th 2010 @ 1:26pm | Report comment
Surely they will play chambers at 11. They tend to play all league backs (are there any other types) converts at fullback or wing to get a feel for the game. Centres would seem a bit of a stretch first off.
January 12th 2010 @ 1:41pm
Conor said | January 12th 2010 @ 1:41pm | Report comment
Chambers played all his schoolboy rugby at outcentre, and in leagur im pretty sure
obviosuly not the same but id give him a go there in the trials.