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		<title>By: Ben of Phnom Penh</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2010/01/15/does-pim-really-rate-korea-and-japan/comment-page-1/#comment-282101</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben of Phnom Penh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 10:35:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If football were to be measured on the production of individuals this would be true.  If it is to be measured on the quality of the game itself then less so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If football were to be measured on the production of individuals this would be true.  If it is to be measured on the quality of the game itself then less so.</p>
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		<title>By: gazz</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2010/01/15/does-pim-really-rate-korea-and-japan/comment-page-2/#comment-281737</link>
		<dc:creator>gazz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 01:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think he clearly does. The examples you use are irrelevant. 

-Ognenovski is a separate case, due to Verbeek stating he&#039;s better off chasing an international career Macedonia, even when he was in the A-League.
-North has simply fallen out of favour at club level and therefore isn&#039;t getting the gametime required to play internationally.
-And Bosnar seems to not be deemed good enough for the Socceroos.

When you look at Mark Milligan, playing in China, getting called up you realise Pim must believe these leagues aren&#039;t too bad. I mean, China is clearly weaker than Korea and Japan (just look at ACL performances) and Milligan can get a run.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think he clearly does. The examples you use are irrelevant. </p>
<p>-Ognenovski is a separate case, due to Verbeek stating he&#8217;s better off chasing an international career Macedonia, even when he was in the A-League.<br />
-North has simply fallen out of favour at club level and therefore isn&#8217;t getting the gametime required to play internationally.<br />
-And Bosnar seems to not be deemed good enough for the Socceroos.</p>
<p>When you look at Mark Milligan, playing in China, getting called up you realise Pim must believe these leagues aren&#8217;t too bad. I mean, China is clearly weaker than Korea and Japan (just look at ACL performances) and Milligan can get a run.</p>
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		<title>By: dannyshepherd</title>
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		<dc:creator>dannyshepherd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and yet african club football is of the lowest standard... maybe these african players are being &#039;produced&#039; in europe...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and yet african club football is of the lowest standard&#8230; maybe these african players are being &#8216;produced&#8217; in europe&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: jimbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>jimbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not such a bad game tonight and a good goal from Travis Dodd. 
He is starting to come back to form and maybe Travis is an outside chance to get a recall for the Socceroos in the Asian Cup qualifier against Indonesia in March.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not such a bad game tonight and a good goal from Travis Dodd.<br />
He is starting to come back to form and maybe Travis is an outside chance to get a recall for the Socceroos in the Asian Cup qualifier against Indonesia in March.</p>
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		<title>By: jimbo</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2010/01/15/does-pim-really-rate-korea-and-japan/comment-page-2/#comment-281618</link>
		<dc:creator>jimbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ogenovski hasn&#039;t played for Macedonia yet because FIFA have not accepted his eligibility, despite his intentions after being overlooked by Guus and Pim and having been named Macedonian footballer of the year in 2008.

So theoretically Pim could still select the six foot five central defender to play for the Socceroos and woudn&#039;t he love to mark up against the Serbian team in South Africa for the WC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ogenovski hasn&#8217;t played for Macedonia yet because FIFA have not accepted his eligibility, despite his intentions after being overlooked by Guus and Pim and having been named Macedonian footballer of the year in 2008.</p>
<p>So theoretically Pim could still select the six foot five central defender to play for the Socceroos and woudn&#8217;t he love to mark up against the Serbian team in South Africa for the WC.</p>
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		<title>By: David V.</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2010/01/15/does-pim-really-rate-korea-and-japan/comment-page-2/#comment-281598</link>
		<dc:creator>David V.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 11:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I watched footage of a couple of games between Ayr United and Dunfermline in 1988- in the 87/88 season Dunfermline were a struggling Premier Division side, Ayr United runaway Division Two leaders. The following season, both teams were in Division One.

The games between the two, footage of which exists online, were very watchable. With far more imagination and inspiration coming from players like Henry Templeton (Ayr) and Craig Robertson (Dunfermline) than most SPL players now, and certainly far more than the garbage served up by Adelaide United and Central Coast Mariners tonight and their previous two games this season!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I watched footage of a couple of games between Ayr United and Dunfermline in 1988- in the 87/88 season Dunfermline were a struggling Premier Division side, Ayr United runaway Division Two leaders. The following season, both teams were in Division One.</p>
<p>The games between the two, footage of which exists online, were very watchable. With far more imagination and inspiration coming from players like Henry Templeton (Ayr) and Craig Robertson (Dunfermline) than most SPL players now, and certainly far more than the garbage served up by Adelaide United and Central Coast Mariners tonight and their previous two games this season!</p>
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		<title>By: Ben of Phnom Penh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben of Phnom Penh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t confuse the league with the players, Jesse.  After all Garcia plays in the EPL but doesn&#039;t even make the Socceroos squad.  This hardly means Pim doesn&#039;t rate the competition.  

I&#039;ve watched Eddie when he played for Chiba and he isn&#039;t as good as the other prospects for the position.  It is as simple as that.  

Spira&#039;s move is a good one as he has no doubt been told that his main problem is game time. Uruwa is a good choice.  Uruwa are still a very, very big club.  There&#039;s something about living in Saitama that puts a chip on the shoulders of the supporters and they really want to give it to the rest of Japan.  He will be under incredible pressure to perform; and perform he will.

As for Milligan he needs to move his career along and Chiba, whilst not my first choice, isn&#039;t a bad one either.

Ogenovski is a better question as he has shown some quality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t confuse the league with the players, Jesse.  After all Garcia plays in the EPL but doesn&#8217;t even make the Socceroos squad.  This hardly means Pim doesn&#8217;t rate the competition.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve watched Eddie when he played for Chiba and he isn&#8217;t as good as the other prospects for the position.  It is as simple as that.  </p>
<p>Spira&#8217;s move is a good one as he has no doubt been told that his main problem is game time. Uruwa is a good choice.  Uruwa are still a very, very big club.  There&#8217;s something about living in Saitama that puts a chip on the shoulders of the supporters and they really want to give it to the rest of Japan.  He will be under incredible pressure to perform; and perform he will.</p>
<p>As for Milligan he needs to move his career along and Chiba, whilst not my first choice, isn&#8217;t a bad one either.</p>
<p>Ogenovski is a better question as he has shown some quality.</p>
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		<title>By: David V.</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2010/01/15/does-pim-really-rate-korea-and-japan/comment-page-1/#comment-281582</link>
		<dc:creator>David V.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t doubt the quality of J-League and K-League. But admittedly, as I&#039;ve pointed out, Asia is still some way behind Latin America and Africa when it comes to producing players who&#039;ve become true stars of European football. Those regions have been doing it for a long time, and far more of them to have made names for themselves in Europe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t doubt the quality of J-League and K-League. But admittedly, as I&#8217;ve pointed out, Asia is still some way behind Latin America and Africa when it comes to producing players who&#8217;ve become true stars of European football. Those regions have been doing it for a long time, and far more of them to have made names for themselves in Europe.</p>
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		<title>By: dannyshepherd</title>
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		<dc:creator>dannyshepherd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 09:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>no... you&#039;ll find most players go from celtic and rangers to the championship not the epl... eg, middlesborough just bought four celtic players... even if the so called better ones do go to the epl they don&#039;t do much, eg, hutton, buomsong, moore to name a few...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no&#8230; you&#8217;ll find most players go from celtic and rangers to the championship not the epl&#8230; eg, middlesborough just bought four celtic players&#8230; even if the so called better ones do go to the epl they don&#8217;t do much, eg, hutton, buomsong, moore to name a few&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: AndyRoo</title>
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		<dc:creator>AndyRoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 09:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t know who&#039;s side of the argument this helps but FC Seoul had two great young midfielders, one went to Celtic (Ki Sung-Yong) just recently but the other to Bolton ( Lee Chung-Yong) for the start of the season and has since featured 14 times and scored 3 goals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t know who&#8217;s side of the argument this helps but FC Seoul had two great young midfielders, one went to Celtic (Ki Sung-Yong) just recently but the other to Bolton ( Lee Chung-Yong) for the start of the season and has since featured 14 times and scored 3 goals.</p>
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		<title>By: David V.</title>
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		<dc:creator>David V.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 07:51:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Good teams&quot;- their abysmal showings in Europe this season doesn&#039;t paint that picture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Good teams&#8221;- their abysmal showings in Europe this season doesn&#8217;t paint that picture.</p>
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		<title>By: Davstar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Davstar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 07:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your probably right, and i know the standard has dropped but honestly but i still don&#039;t see Celtic or Rangers losing to any J-league team. I still think Celtic and Rangers are good teams, players go from the SPL stright to the EPL were as players from the J-league generally have to go somewhere else then move to bigger leagues. However the J-league has alot more money then the SPL so i donno...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your probably right, and i know the standard has dropped but honestly but i still don&#8217;t see Celtic or Rangers losing to any J-league team. I still think Celtic and Rangers are good teams, players go from the SPL stright to the EPL were as players from the J-league generally have to go somewhere else then move to bigger leagues. However the J-league has alot more money then the SPL so i donno&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: David V.</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2010/01/15/does-pim-really-rate-korea-and-japan/comment-page-1/#comment-281522</link>
		<dc:creator>David V.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 04:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very high standard? That was the case a decade ago when Celtic had Larsson and Moravcik, and Rangers had Gascoigne and Laudrup before then. The Old Firm clubs now don&#039;t have the same talent they used to, nor do they bring gifted players through the ranks like they once did. Even the worst teams in the Scottish top flight in the 90s had better players than most SPL teams do now. Scotland had produced many, many, many outstanding talents in their own right, but far fewer of them now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very high standard? That was the case a decade ago when Celtic had Larsson and Moravcik, and Rangers had Gascoigne and Laudrup before then. The Old Firm clubs now don&#8217;t have the same talent they used to, nor do they bring gifted players through the ranks like they once did. Even the worst teams in the Scottish top flight in the 90s had better players than most SPL teams do now. Scotland had produced many, many, many outstanding talents in their own right, but far fewer of them now.</p>
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		<title>By: Dogz R Barkn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dogz R Barkn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 04:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was intrigued by this question in relation to Japan and the SPL, and did a quick search, and this is what I found:

1.  all of the national U17 team ply their trade in Japan
2.  all of the national U20 team ply their trade in Japan, and
3.  all of the current squad play in Japan, although there are a few famous names likely to get call ups that play in Europe, e.g. Morimoto, Honda and Nakamura.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was intrigued by this question in relation to Japan and the SPL, and did a quick search, and this is what I found:</p>
<p>1.  all of the national U17 team ply their trade in Japan<br />
2.  all of the national U20 team ply their trade in Japan, and<br />
3.  all of the current squad play in Japan, although there are a few famous names likely to get call ups that play in Europe, e.g. Morimoto, Honda and Nakamura.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Steele</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan Steele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 04:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I&#039;m usually the first to bang heads with David V., I&#039;m finding it hard to agree with your reply. Which of the best players in the J. League went from Japan to the SPL? The only Japanese players I can think of are Nakamura and Mizuno - and Nakamura was already playing in Europe, while Mizuno is hardly in favour at either country or club levels, nor was he the most spectacular player in his home country.

It&#039;s not that the SPL is rated highly in Japan - it&#039;s that Europe is rated highly in Japan, so any player that goes from Japan to any somewhat recognisable league in Europe will be considered a fantastic player.

That&#039;s not to say I agree with David V., but I felt the urge to respond to this comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I&#8217;m usually the first to bang heads with David V., I&#8217;m finding it hard to agree with your reply. Which of the best players in the J. League went from Japan to the SPL? The only Japanese players I can think of are Nakamura and Mizuno &#8211; and Nakamura was already playing in Europe, while Mizuno is hardly in favour at either country or club levels, nor was he the most spectacular player in his home country.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not that the SPL is rated highly in Japan &#8211; it&#8217;s that Europe is rated highly in Japan, so any player that goes from Japan to any somewhat recognisable league in Europe will be considered a fantastic player.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not to say I agree with David V., but I felt the urge to respond to this comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Davstar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Davstar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 04:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of the best young players in the J-league go to the SPL to develop their Career. I agree half the teams in the SPL are weak but Celtic and Rangers are still of a very high standard and i would put them to beat any club in the J-league. Naka was Japans number one player and he played in the SPL in the last world cup not the J-league, rememberthat the SPL is rated very highly in Japan and even though its been struggling lately its still a good league</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of the best young players in the J-league go to the SPL to develop their Career. I agree half the teams in the SPL are weak but Celtic and Rangers are still of a very high standard and i would put them to beat any club in the J-league. Naka was Japans number one player and he played in the SPL in the last world cup not the J-league, rememberthat the SPL is rated very highly in Japan and even though its been struggling lately its still a good league</p>
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		<title>By: David V.</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2010/01/15/does-pim-really-rate-korea-and-japan/comment-page-1/#comment-281444</link>
		<dc:creator>David V.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 01:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scotland? You&#039;ve gotta be kidding there- the SPL isn&#039;t far above the A-League and is probably behind the J-League et al these days. It&#039;s declined to a farcical standard well below what it was even a decade ago, let alone 2 or 3 decades ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scotland? You&#8217;ve gotta be kidding there- the SPL isn&#8217;t far above the A-League and is probably behind the J-League et al these days. It&#8217;s declined to a farcical standard well below what it was even a decade ago, let alone 2 or 3 decades ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Steele</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan Steele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 01:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really don&#039;t think Ognenovski, North, and Bosnar are worth mentioning in this argument.

Ognenovski had his chance to represent Australia before moving to Korea, but all the &quot;um-ing and ah-ing&quot; about declaring for a national team blew it for him, and Pim essentially gave up. Sasa later declared for Macedonia, which is why Pim hasn&#039;t looked any further. Funnily enough, he&#039;s yet to earn a cap for Macedonia, despite nearly being named the country&#039;s best player of 2008.

North was given several caps for the Socceroos, but having fallen out of favour at his club and given very little playing time over the last year, it doesn&#039;t take quantum physics to understand why he hasn&#039;t been called up for so long.

Bosnar&#039;s issue has been previously discussed to some length on the Roar, and I remember discussing with Mike the pros and cons of his time at JEF. He was a regular starter, obviously, but his temperament and concentration caused plenty of fouls and slip-ups in defence. That&#039;s not to say he was the cause for JEF&#039;s relegation - that was inevitable, and S-Pulse wouldn&#039;t have signed him if it were the case - but it was not the performance of a national team member. We can&#039;t really question why he hasn&#039;t been called up if he&#039;s playing for Shimizu, either, because he&#039;s only just made the move and isn&#039;t currently in season.

Spiranovic&#039;s move clearly is to benefit Urawa more than himself, but I can see him also getting a valuable return so long as Finke continues to run the show. Volker Finke&#039;s focus is on player development, and being able to play against the likes of Lucas, Okazaki, and Sato - all extremely talented forwards - should help him learn and grow as a player.

Milligan will benefit from the huge load of games he&#039;ll be playing in J2, along with all the cup games that are involved. It&#039;s also quite different from a technical perspective, and proving he can successfully adapt to another pace will prove his worth even further.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really don&#8217;t think Ognenovski, North, and Bosnar are worth mentioning in this argument.</p>
<p>Ognenovski had his chance to represent Australia before moving to Korea, but all the &#8220;um-ing and ah-ing&#8221; about declaring for a national team blew it for him, and Pim essentially gave up. Sasa later declared for Macedonia, which is why Pim hasn&#8217;t looked any further. Funnily enough, he&#8217;s yet to earn a cap for Macedonia, despite nearly being named the country&#8217;s best player of 2008.</p>
<p>North was given several caps for the Socceroos, but having fallen out of favour at his club and given very little playing time over the last year, it doesn&#8217;t take quantum physics to understand why he hasn&#8217;t been called up for so long.</p>
<p>Bosnar&#8217;s issue has been previously discussed to some length on the Roar, and I remember discussing with Mike the pros and cons of his time at JEF. He was a regular starter, obviously, but his temperament and concentration caused plenty of fouls and slip-ups in defence. That&#8217;s not to say he was the cause for JEF&#8217;s relegation &#8211; that was inevitable, and S-Pulse wouldn&#8217;t have signed him if it were the case &#8211; but it was not the performance of a national team member. We can&#8217;t really question why he hasn&#8217;t been called up if he&#8217;s playing for Shimizu, either, because he&#8217;s only just made the move and isn&#8217;t currently in season.</p>
<p>Spiranovic&#8217;s move clearly is to benefit Urawa more than himself, but I can see him also getting a valuable return so long as Finke continues to run the show. Volker Finke&#8217;s focus is on player development, and being able to play against the likes of Lucas, Okazaki, and Sato &#8211; all extremely talented forwards &#8211; should help him learn and grow as a player.</p>
<p>Milligan will benefit from the huge load of games he&#8217;ll be playing in J2, along with all the cup games that are involved. It&#8217;s also quite different from a technical perspective, and proving he can successfully adapt to another pace will prove his worth even further.</p>
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		<title>By: Lmacca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lmacca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 01:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree, only because having seen Spiranovic at the Olympics and also vs Ireland, he&#039;s not just there for headers. He&#039;s good on the ball and got some pace. So he&#039;s not exactly like Ognenovski nor Bosnar.

I think the upcoming Asian Cup game may be an ideal time for those playing in Asia to get a run - Milligan, Kennedy, Spira, the Ogre, Bosnar, North, Ryan Griffiths. See if they&#039;re any better than the A-League players who would otherwise be playing. Also would help draw a line to see how their form stacks up as a measure of the relative strength of the Japanese and Korean leagues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree, only because having seen Spiranovic at the Olympics and also vs Ireland, he&#8217;s not just there for headers. He&#8217;s good on the ball and got some pace. So he&#8217;s not exactly like Ognenovski nor Bosnar.</p>
<p>I think the upcoming Asian Cup game may be an ideal time for those playing in Asia to get a run &#8211; Milligan, Kennedy, Spira, the Ogre, Bosnar, North, Ryan Griffiths. See if they&#8217;re any better than the A-League players who would otherwise be playing. Also would help draw a line to see how their form stacks up as a measure of the relative strength of the Japanese and Korean leagues.</p>
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		<title>By: Australian Football</title>
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		<dc:creator>Australian Football</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 01:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is hard to no what he rates or doesn&#039;t rate he is suck with one playing system and that&#039;s agianst good and bad opposition... No matter who he picks it&#039;s the same old same old formation....  

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is hard to no what he rates or doesn&#8217;t rate he is suck with one playing system and that&#8217;s agianst good and bad opposition&#8230; No matter who he picks it&#8217;s the same old same old formation&#8230;.  </p>
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		<title>By: Davstar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Davstar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 23:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dickroo - you have to have a &quot;ic&quot; at the end of your name to mention that Spria is croat dw i do too lol. 

Anyway 

Pim dose rate the J-league, K-league, remember Jade North got a run before he stopped getting game time. Sprias move was the best thing he could have done for his career his young he needs to be playing, i hope he does well in the J-league a lot of people are counting on him. I think is his German team get relegated it would probably be best to switch leagues if they stay in 1.Bundesliga then i would say perhaps come back at the end of the loan.
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No doubt Pim rates the J/K-league but he doesn’t overated it! I&#039;ve notice a lot of football experts seem to think the J-league is as good as playing in Europe. Whilst the league is a step or two up from the A-league, it’s not as good as the Greek or Turkish super league, Scottish premier league etc and many other mid level European leagues. Technically advanced but Finishing, Physical play and tactics its will far behind. Also I’ve noticed Goal keeping in Asia in general is of a very poor standard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dickroo &#8211; you have to have a &#8220;ic&#8221; at the end of your name to mention that Spria is croat dw i do too lol. </p>
<p>Anyway </p>
<p>Pim dose rate the J-league, K-league, remember Jade North got a run before he stopped getting game time. Sprias move was the best thing he could have done for his career his young he needs to be playing, i hope he does well in the J-league a lot of people are counting on him. I think is his German team get relegated it would probably be best to switch leagues if they stay in 1.Bundesliga then i would say perhaps come back at the end of the loan.<br />
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No doubt Pim rates the J/K-league but he doesn’t overated it! I&#8217;ve notice a lot of football experts seem to think the J-league is as good as playing in Europe. Whilst the league is a step or two up from the A-league, it’s not as good as the Greek or Turkish super league, Scottish premier league etc and many other mid level European leagues. Technically advanced but Finishing, Physical play and tactics its will far behind. Also I’ve noticed Goal keeping in Asia in general is of a very poor standard.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 22:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good point Lu.

And a very interesting article from Jesse.</description>
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<p>And a very interesting article from Jesse.</p>
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		<title>By: AGO74</title>
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		<dc:creator>AGO74</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 22:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t get too carried away about Spira in Japan rather than Europe as I suspect even if he stayed in Europe he wouldn&#039;t be going to the WC anyway as he didn&#039;t even make the bench for the B-squad against Kuwait. Let&#039;s just hope he can stay injury-free over the next few years and develop the way we all think he can (he was our only positive out of the Beijing disaster)  and be a 1st choice defender for us at the 2014 World Cup.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t get too carried away about Spira in Japan rather than Europe as I suspect even if he stayed in Europe he wouldn&#8217;t be going to the WC anyway as he didn&#8217;t even make the bench for the B-squad against Kuwait. Let&#8217;s just hope he can stay injury-free over the next few years and develop the way we all think he can (he was our only positive out of the Beijing disaster)  and be a 1st choice defender for us at the 2014 World Cup.</p>
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		<title>By: Dickroo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dickroo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 22:24:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spira will be the ideal CB for this World cup - young, tall, quick, knowing German football well, being a Croatian, perfect against the Germans and Serbians. If only he can get some regular game time between now and June. Moore will be beat once, twice......and more, by those quality World Cup forwards, just looking at the first goal we conceived in the Kuwait city.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spira will be the ideal CB for this World cup &#8211; young, tall, quick, knowing German football well, being a Croatian, perfect against the Germans and Serbians. If only he can get some regular game time between now and June. Moore will be beat once, twice&#8230;&#8230;and more, by those quality World Cup forwards, just looking at the first goal we conceived in the Kuwait city.</p>
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		<title>By: Lu</title>
		<link>http://www.theroar.com.au/2010/01/15/does-pim-really-rate-korea-and-japan/comment-page-1/#comment-281271</link>
		<dc:creator>Lu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 22:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The players mentioned above Ognenovski, Kennedy, Bosnar and now Spiranovic are niche players who have been brought into their respective teams to add that extra size and presence thats lacking in most Asian teams. Which probably is why North is struggling to get a place as there would be players of his size and ability already. 

These Aussie boys are probably doing what they&#039;ve been brought into do and most seem to be doing it well. 

However throw them into the international arena against the skills and technique of the Sth Americans and the European big guns, the brute strength and force of the eastern Europeans, the raw speed and talent of the Africans (all of which Australia will be facing in WC10) and those playing in J and K will be tested and may very well not scrub up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The players mentioned above Ognenovski, Kennedy, Bosnar and now Spiranovic are niche players who have been brought into their respective teams to add that extra size and presence thats lacking in most Asian teams. Which probably is why North is struggling to get a place as there would be players of his size and ability already. </p>
<p>These Aussie boys are probably doing what they&#8217;ve been brought into do and most seem to be doing it well. </p>
<p>However throw them into the international arena against the skills and technique of the Sth Americans and the European big guns, the brute strength and force of the eastern Europeans, the raw speed and talent of the Africans (all of which Australia will be facing in WC10) and those playing in J and K will be tested and may very well not scrub up.</p>
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		<title>By: The Bear</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Bear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Should have gone to Holland  ; /</description>
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