Building an army of Rebels behind the new Super team
By kronic, 20 Jan 2010 Gav is a Roar Pro
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2011 will mark a significant year in the history of the Victorian sporting landscape. It will field a team in the world’s most prestigious rugby competition, Super Rugby.
A Super Rugby title is the only remaining trophy yet to be won by a Victorian side.
The Geelong Cats, Melbourne Victory, Victorian Bushrangers are just some of the teams (at this point in time), which are the current premiers of their domestic sporting competition.
These are the hopes and aspirations of a sports mad Victorian.
A true Victorian. I was brought up on Australian Football (Richmond), soggy meat pies and afternoons at the MCG. I’m in a generation which has grown up with advancements in technology such as Pay-TV and the Internet.
These have helped us gain exposure to a wide and interesting world, which obviously included sport. I remember a time when the sporting landscape in Australia (in particular Victoria), only included Australian Football and Cricket.
Since 1998, with the introduction of a NRL team (Melbourne Storm) and the reinvention of Association Football through the A-League, many Victorians (Australians too) have a growing sporting interest, outside of traditional sports in their state.
This is where I found rugby.
I can remember watching a few matches in my early teens as well as league during the Super League war. During my mid-teens I fell out of love with sport for various reasons.
However, towards my late teens and early twenties, I found my passion again.
Before recommitting myself to a struggling Richmond, I was supporting the Wallabies in the build up to the 2007 World Cup in France. Subsequently, I discovered Super 14 in 2008.
Due to the lack of a Victorian team, I decided to align myself with our northern neighbour, the NSW Waratahs. I even purchased a relatively cheap non-match day membership.
It was only until late 2008 that I discovered Victoria’s attempt to gain a team in Super Rugby. I learned of the failed 2004 bid, which went to the Western Force. As well as news that SANZAR was looking to add another team to the prestigious competition.
I thought the time was right to build support for a team in one of my favourite sports. I employed tools that were popular and appealed to the masses through Facebook and Twitter.
I only gathered minimal support.
However, it wasn’t long before I found similar people who had already established more successful groups. As they say, two-heads are better than one.
Teaming up, we eventually found ourselves with 2,000 plus supporters. Out of this, we’ve evolved into a group known as the Rebel Army.
For those on the outside looking in, you may ask: “Why don’t I have this similar level of commitment to my AFL club?” The answer is simple, it’s a matter of history.
Richmond is over 100 years old, it’s supporter culture and groups are well established. On the other hand, the Rebels provide a fresh start something to be part of, to form the foundation of. A situation which isn’t dissimilar to that of the 11th A-League franchise Melbourne Heart.
The Rebels will also provide a niche in the Victorian sporting landscape, one which is slowly disappearing, state representation. At present there is only one team, in all of the major domestic sporting competitions which represent Victoria, the Bushrangers.
However, post-2011, this is expected to change with the Big Bash changing to a city/franchise structure. Victorian’s love their sport, and especially love their state representative sides, if the recent Big Bash series is anything to go by.
I could be grasping at straws using cricket (which is a well established sport in this country) as a measure for supporting a domestic rugby team, but I don’t think this is too far off the mark.
I’m sure every Victorian awaits the day, the mighty Victorian Rebels take on the NSW Waratahs at the new Rectangular Stadium.
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January 20th 2010 @ 12:06pm
Dogs Of War said | January 20th 2010 @ 12:06pm | Report comment
I like how the author makes this statement “The Geelong Cats, Melbourne Victory, Victorian Bushrangers are just some of the teams (at this point in time), which are the current premiers of their domestic sporting competition.”
Just excluding the Melbourne Storm, is there a reason for not acknowledging them?
January 20th 2010 @ 8:15pm
kronic said | January 20th 2010 @ 8:15pm | Report comment
They were three teams that came to mind when I was writing the article. I’ll admit I’m not a league fan, however I respect what the Storm have done.
January 20th 2010 @ 12:56pm
Jameswm said | January 20th 2010 @ 12:56pm | Report comment
You can’t compare Salvi and Elsom – one is an opensider and the other a blindsider.
Melbourne should aim to have both. They can leave Barnes up here, but I wouldn’t mind seeing Rocky go back home.
And Ioane at some stage too, because he’s originally from Melbourne. Does anyone know if his family all moved to Qld? I understand he’s one who suffers from homesickness.
And on Mitchell Chapman – at various times I watched him closely last season, and I thought he was entirely overrated. He just did bugger all. What was the fuss about? He’s the right size, and that’s about it. I hope the Brumbies pack spends a lot of time with him and Ben Hand in it.
Brumbies team does shape up pretty well though.
Alexander – Moore – Shep – Kimlin – Chisholm – Elsom – Smith – Hoiles
Valentine – Giteau – TSmith – Mortlock – Fainifo – other winger?? – AAC
Up and comers like Vanderglas, Toomua and Jerry Yanuyanu and older timers Harrison and I guess Chapman on the bench. Can’t see an obvious candidate for that other wing spot though. Sipa maybe?
January 20th 2010 @ 1:58pm
Brett McKay said | January 20th 2010 @ 1:58pm | Report comment
Jameswm, Alfi Mafi seems to be the name mentioned down here for the other flank…
I do wonder though If we mightn’t see a rebirth of the Giteau-Mortlock midfield though, with Toomua or Lealiifano at 10. Tyronne Smith would then be a benchie, along with which ever kid isn’t playing 10. Giteau all of a sudden is making noises about not being worried whether he wears 10, 12, or 15, and just being happy to fit in where ever required. Contrast that to what we heard last October….
January 20th 2010 @ 3:56pm
Bay35Pablo said | January 20th 2010 @ 3:56pm | Report comment
Typical Brumbie, ACT coach tells him to do it and he tows the line, Wallabies coach does it and he arcs up …
Hand out a gold jersey with every Brumbies one do they?
Perhaps Deans has laid down the law, and Gits realises he’d better nail down being the best 12 in Oz?
January 20th 2010 @ 5:07pm
sheek said | January 20th 2010 @ 5:07pm | Report comment
James,
I wouldn’t consider Elsom to be lost to the Rebels. As a lawyer, you’re trained to read between the lines. And I’m sure you found Elsom’s comments insightful, not for what he said, but what he didn’t say.
I thought Elsom did a terrific job of reassuring the Brumbies, but leaving the door just a little ajar for a change of heart at season’s end. Why should Elsom tell the media his intentions, anyway.
January 20th 2010 @ 3:34pm
Gatesy said | January 20th 2010 @ 3:34pm | Report comment
Kronic – great article. As a committed Brumbies fan from their second season when I moved there, any team that starts with Rod McQueen and is able to build its own culture from the start interests me. I checked your blog and will follow on Twitter and Facebook. I hope your Rebel Army is a brilliant success.
January 20th 2010 @ 3:56pm
katzilla said | January 20th 2010 @ 3:56pm | Report comment
I hope they do well.
I cringe at the thought of yet another Australian team clogging the mid to bottom of the table with most of the saffas teams.
It could be ‘Champions league/next tier of not quite so good league’ time. I don’t know what its called but teams like Everton play in it. UEAFA CUP?
January 20th 2010 @ 3:57pm
Bay35Pablo said | January 20th 2010 @ 3:57pm | Report comment
Katzilla, in rugby it’s usually called the Plate!
January 20th 2010 @ 5:12pm
sheek said | January 20th 2010 @ 5:12pm | Report comment
Yeah, I endorse all those comments wishing the Rebels well.
There were many reasons why WA beat Victoria for the 4th franchise back in 2005. The ARU knew both proposals would be well supported. But it was how the teams would fare when starved of success that concerned them. It was felt WA rugby supporters were just a bit better rusted on than Vic supporters.
Now the Vics have the opportunity to show the rest of Australia that they too can support rugby union, through the good times, & importantly, also the lean times.
January 20th 2010 @ 8:19pm
westy said | January 20th 2010 @ 8:19pm | Report comment
Same here Sheek it would be churlish not to wish them the best. But remember the ARU 3 million grant and a 1.3 million loan in their first year with no licence fee and a 10 foreign player concession the Gold Coast and /or Western Sydney could have fielded equally competitive teams.. I have no problem with Melbourne but am all to familiar with Macqueen’s big end of town arguments. I note in the initial interest submissions Melbourne ‘seemed ” to have a bit more of their own capital than seems to have been the final case.
By the way i think it was the new rectangular stadium that was the clincher. A real; bonus for any new franchise. On that basis i would have selected Melbourne.
The Waratahs are a professional rugby club not a state side . The recent Board restructuring makes that very clear. The tahs are making a genuine attempt to bridge the disconnect. The tahs fear any new NSW presence.
We shall see if the NSW nursery continues to produce. I fear we draw from the well without maintaining it. We now have a dysfunctional club competition in Sydney with Sydney Uni with a budget of two million relative to Parramatta’s $80000 from NSWRU. Penrith’s major sponsor by the way is ST Mary’s Leagues club and penrith has a budget of about $130000.
This is not an attack on Sydney Uni simply to highlight there are only three other Sydney first grade clubs that come near to financial competitiveness to field properly coached and resourced teams..You basically only have 4 clubs who can field a team in which it is not a waste of time to play a super 14 or academy player.
For those who do attend the defense of some first grade teams reminds us of how far professional rugby has come.Teams scoring 50 to 70 points ( and forfeiting conversions ) is not a good look.
Playing super 14 players in club games this year was great but was of little help to the likes of say penrith who have none.
You have no remotely successful club in Western Sydney .
Now if Melbourne was meant to be the “big end of town money ” $ 1.3 million loan on the most generous terms ( you can guess) and would have done a lot of development in Western Sydney.
Melbourne should have got the gong just not all the dough . We were told time and again they already had it.
January 21st 2010 @ 7:21am
Justin said | January 21st 2010 @ 7:21am | Report comment
Westy – How much do the other AUS S14 franchises get per year from the ARU? Its more than $3mil isnt it? Not really sure what you mean by Melbourne “getting all the dough”.
With the loan a once off, Melbourne has to find an extra $1mil plus per year if my maths are correct. Hardly a great windfall.
January 21st 2010 @ 12:06am
sheek said | January 21st 2010 @ 12:06am | Report comment
Westy,
I had a conversation with Bay that with the Rebels adopting Melbourne as their place name over Victoria, & Brumbies preferring (apparently) Canberra to ACT, there is a definite shift away from provincial based franchises to club franchises (in Australia).
The inference being the Waratahs may become Sydney, the Reds may become Brisbane, & the Force may become Perth, & also making it easier in the future for teams from Western Sydney & Gold Coast to participate in any national comp.
No more state & territory boundaries, just major cities & regions.
With respect to NSW rugby, you are obviously in “the know”. I have agreed in the past with you that the neglect of Western Sydney is reprehensible & may be rugby’s undoing in the state. They (NSWRU/ARU) will only have themselves to blame.
January 21st 2010 @ 12:21am
bever fever said | January 21st 2010 @ 12:21am | Report comment
Be careful .. Tiger supporters eat their own.
January 21st 2010 @ 7:16am
kronic said | January 21st 2010 @ 7:16am | Report comment
Agreed. This occurs with many supporters, however I can’t decide whether Carlton or Collingwood takes the medal in that one?
January 21st 2010 @ 6:29am
Banter said | January 21st 2010 @ 6:29am | Report comment
I hope the Rebels have the impact on Australian rugby that the Brumbies have had, although some say positively, some say negatively. Certainly, they changed some attitudes to how rugby can be played. Macqueen started it, Jones refined it, Nucifora held onto it before the game started to move faster than the Brumbies could evolve their game. Interestingly, a look over the Aus S14 2010 teams- Reds – Head Coach Mckenzie (ex Brum player/captain/coach), Head S&C,Damian Marsh (ex Brumbies S&C for the last 9 years). Waratahs -Head Coach Hickey (ex Canberra club coach for many years, ex Brumbies Assistant Coach). Rebels -Head Coach Macqueen (Brumbies innaugural Head Coach), Assistant Coach Damian Hill (ex Canberra premiership player, Brumbies Development Manager for years). Brumbies – Head Coach Andy Friend (ex Canberra rep player), Assistant Coach Owen Finegan (ex Brumbies foundation player). It seems the Brumbies tentacles still have some reach…..
January 21st 2010 @ 10:06am
Cameron of Melbourne said | January 21st 2010 @ 10:06am | Report comment
Hi Kronic,
Good article mate. As another fellow keen rugby supporter in Melbourne I have been waiting for a super rugby team for years and I was so happy when Melbourne finally got the team. I have no doubt Rebels will get good crowds. Just from my personal experience there’s good support for rugby here. The people who are involved in rugby are passionate about teh game. You just have to look at the numbers they get to Weary Dunlop rugby lunches.
I know quite a few rugby players and one that played for Victorian schools. 2 of my mates are keen on getting Rebels memberships (one is an Irishman). I think we’ll get a lot of expats going to the games. Hopefully we can get a few neutrals and get some of the AFL and soccer fans to go to the games as well.
I am really excited about Rebels and Australian rugby next year.