Melbourne Heart and Rebels: A tale of two franchises
By Adrian Musolino, 1 Feb 2010 Adrian Musolino is a Roar Expert
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As the dust settles on the flurry of announcements that followed Melbourne Rebels’ clearance to join what will become the Super 15 rugby competition in 2011, there is still a heavy silence surrounding their fellow expansion side in the Victorian capital, the A-League’s Melbourne Heart.
In their embryonic stages, the Rebels have achieved more traction in 2010 than the Melbourne Heart, despite the fact the Heart debut six months (approximately) earlier than the Rebels.
With an announcement predicted to come this week from the Heart franchise – hopefully to confirm its name, strip and a website (currently only a syndicate site exists – with the term syndicate in the title!) – the long wait for news from the A-League franchise will finally come to an end. But it’s unlikely the Heart’s announcement will cause as much of a raucous as the Rebels’.
Fuelled by the scepticism and doubts about Melbourne’s ability to sustain a rugby franchise (especially alongside an NRL club), the Rebels announced some impressive signings in quick succession to form the nucleus of their structure – coach Rod Macqueen and former Melbourne Storm NRL chief executive Brian Waldron.
Importantly, as opposed to the Heart, the Rebels already have an identity – a name, colours, website, and a forum for their fans to engage and rally online.
The Rebel Army, the unofficial supporter group of the franchise, is already building an impressive following on their corresponding social networking sites.
Such interest was undoubtedly helped by the speed of announcements following their acceptance into the competition, which created enormous hype – featuring prominently in the sporting headlines and causing much debate in the state.
In contrast, the Heart franchise has been conspicuous by its silence.
Their snail-paced approach in deciding and announcing its branding, particularly the incredibly drawn-out name saga, has failed to generate any tangible signs of excitement, be it in the football community and the press.
It appears almost certain the franchise will stick with the Heart name, despite the Herald Sun poll put to Victorians to name the club.
As discussed previously, this was probably the only option considering the recognition that’s built around the Heart name.
Uninspiring for many, Heart lacks imagination and certainly doesn’t help the franchise significantly differentiate itself from the Melbourne Victory. Judging by the whole naming debacle, you sense the franchise has been forced to stick with the working name that they were unconvinced about to begin with.
And even made clear in the Fairfax press: “The name the Rebels had its origins in the goldfields of Ballarat in the 19th century in the uprising at Eureka Stockade. The rebel miners were fighting for a fair go, and in many ways Eureka represented the beginnings of the Australian egalitarian spirit.”
The association with the Eureka Stockade gives the club meaning. It stands for something; it matters.
And by sticking with the branding and name of the Melbourne Rebels franchise that played in the now defunct Australian Rugby Championship (ARC), there is continuity in terms of recognition.
The names and brandings may be for the eye of the beholder to judge, but the traction the Rebels have achieved in their comparatively shorter existence (since being accepted into Super rugby) has highlighted the flaws in the Heart’s slow approach.
There’s no definitive time-frame or guidebook for an expansion franchise to follow in terms of building the club’s structure, generating publicity and building a fanbase. But you sense Heart have stagnated for too long, and have left themselves with an awful lot of work to do before their debut in next season’s A-League.
The Rebels certainly have the edge on their compatriots at present.
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Tifosi said | February 1st 2010 @ 4:09am | Report comment
How can Melbourne Heart Football Club be confused with the Demons?
If this has been the reason for the delay in the announcement of the team name it would be silly.
Anyway, not unusual for the FFA to drag the chain.
Michael C said | February 1st 2010 @ 5:05am | Report comment
Tifosi -
did you not read that there was NO official action taken regards the Demons,
however, the point remains, both for Victory and Heart, that they have to promote themselves on the point of difference – i.e. as ‘Victory’, or ‘Heart’ and NOT as Melbourne FC (the Hearts).
Pretty simple really.
It’s the Lord Mayors charity that’s taken official action.
ItsCalledFootball said | February 1st 2010 @ 8:24am | Report comment
Lord Mayor’s Charity = AFL in Melbourne, the AFL Capital of Australia.
The legal action was taken by the Melbourne Lord Mayor’s charity on behalf of the Melbourne Demons, so the AFL didn’t look like anti-football bad boys again.
A legal challenge is a legal challenge and intented to hurt the Melbourne Heart Football Club, who don’t have the political, leagal or financial backing of the AFL.
Michael C said | February 1st 2010 @ 8:35am | Report comment
“Lord Mayor’s Charity = AFL in Melbourne, the AFL Capital of Australia.”
That’s just plain stupid given that the only 100% Govt funded stadium in town is just being finished this year to house the Rebels and Hearts.
Get over yourself with your anti-AFL hatred and petty conspiracy theories. To make such claims about a Lord Mayor’s Charity is really low.
Either back it up with something solid, or, please, let’s leave respected charitable organisations out of this.
Australian Football said | February 1st 2010 @ 9:14am | Report comment
ItsCalledFootball,
I fully concur with you—–just another dirty trick campaign to suppress the greatest game of all in Australia…
AFL hijacked the Brisbane Lions name from the Brisbane Lions Soccer Club forcing the name change for the Brisbane Roar FC. They (the AFL) haven’t got a leg to stand on.
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AF
Redb said | February 1st 2010 @ 9:35am | Report comment
Perhaps it’s karma given the A League have tried to hijack the term ‘football’ in Australia.
Australian Football said | February 1st 2010 @ 10:28am | Report comment
The name football never was AFL’s to claim in the first place as it was coined for the round ball game in the UK… Let’s all remember the game that was invented in Australia had an indigenous name which I’m restricted from using because of the AFL’s secret police stopping me doing so.. Shame on them..
But more importantly, a shame for Australian indigenous culture.
Redb said | February 1st 2010 @ 10:34am | Report comment
Australian Football League.
You just need to fix up your name, would be perfect.
Australian Football said | February 1st 2010 @ 10:47am | Report comment
Actually I agree with you—–morally we own it. Looking forward to seeing you in court…
Mikey said | February 1st 2010 @ 11:05am | Report comment
yeah, totally AF! It’s like how my great grandfather said he had his own version of peanut butter before anyone else independently came up with it. I’m pretty sure that means my family are entitled to demand Kraft and all the other peanut butter producing companies stop calling it ‘peanut butter’. Because lets face it, it’s not the real original peanut butter that my grandaddy made and he never intended for their particular types of salty/crunchy peanut butters to be called peanut butter. They should be forced to call it something else because morally my grandaddy had a truer, more purely peanuty butter before they did and it was more definitively peanut butter.
Australian Football said | February 1st 2010 @ 11:33am | Report comment
Mikey,
Yep the French stopped the Australian Wine industry from using the name Champagne and Coca Cola stopped Pepsi from using Cola so I agree with your Granddaddy. The AFL should tow the line as well. And use the Australian Indegenious name—-it would be great for the code.. (I am prevented from typing it in my comment by the AFL secret police, but you can view it on Fox TV or even google it up—-or do a search on You-Tube if you have any doubts of its existance).
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AF
Mikey said | February 1st 2010 @ 11:49am | Report comment
Really AF? So my great grandaddy didn’t even need to patent the name “peanut butter”? Just show that he had invented it first? Wow that’s good news considering he didn’t take the trouble to gain legal ownership of the name. It’s a good thing the law recognised “moral ownership”. But just to make it easier for me, could you direct me to state/federal law, or the international treaty Australia has signed which has as one of its clauses that “moral ownership” shall be observed retrospectively in the naming of products? You know, just so I can direct the family lawyers who’ve been searching all this time in vain.
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Cheers
Australian Football said | February 1st 2010 @ 12:20pm | Report comment
I think if he had a mountain of evidence for intellectual property name “Peanut Butter” that he can produce I think he would have a case. However, if he contacted the French Champagne people that obviously had the same process problems to go through as the patent laws were not to be found anywhere a hundred years ago so in the light of that, I would suggest your granddaddy contact the French immediately to see how they got around that small obstacle of intellectual ownership property—-I sure he can do it—-just remind him when he does and I believe he would be successful in his just rewards who it was that suggested he had a case… I will settle for just a mere $1b Aud—no questions asked—-please send the cheque to:- AS, C/- Currumbin RSL on the Gold Coast Queensland… Good Luck
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AF
Harry Kimble said | February 1st 2010 @ 1:50pm | Report comment
My dear old grandfather was a Georgie who migrated here and was on the board of a local district soccer team. To him, only the round ball game was called football. For him, all the other games were handball and he let you know that.
Mikey said | February 1st 2010 @ 2:08pm | Report comment
Good for your immigrant papa Harry! It’s nice to know that immigrants to whom English is a second language feel entitled to educate native speakers.
AF,
Checked out your claim buddy, and it turns out we don’t have a case after all because the name peanut butter is simply too generic; not referring to a specific place like Champagne. Apparently generic names just can’t be claimed that long after the fact… I suppose that’s why FIFA have never demanded the Americans stop calling their game “Football” nor the Irish their game “Gaelic Football”.
Oh well, these legal matters are rather tricky I guess AF, so don’t feel too bad for not realising that you don’t really have a case
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Beast-A-Tron said | February 1st 2010 @ 2:33pm | Report comment
“I suppose that’s why FIFA have never demanded the Americans stop calling their game “Football” nor the Irish their game “Gaelic Football”.”
If it could be done, FIFA would have attempted it already.
But yeah ‘football’ is a generic word that lends history to several sports. There is no ‘true’ or ‘real’ football, no matter how much a fanatic will kick and scream.
Australian Football said | February 1st 2010 @ 2:38pm | Report comment
But Rugby have dropped their claim and want to be known just as Rugby, (good decesion) the process maybe slow but in the end all will comply to their own product name.. Because of Globalisation and there can only be one real Football World Cup. Btw we have a Rugby World Cup and a Rugby League World Cup.. So with your own expansion plans—what are you going to call your World Cup—–surely not “Football World Cup”? So that brings me back to my original argument of the indigenous Australian name Marngrook World Cup would be a appropriate description for the Australian code.
Australian Football said | February 1st 2010 @ 2:51pm | Report comment
Your granddaddy has given up too easily. Cola maybe considered generic. However, Coca Cola stopped Pepsi in their tracks using the name Cola… C’mon laddie I could do with the cash..
Michael C said | February 1st 2010 @ 9:51am | Report comment
ah, but, there was no issue when the names were suffixed by a “SC” compared to a “FC”.
the legal situation around Melbourne Football Club and Storm, Victory and Hearts and Rebels, is simple – they (these other 4 clubs) have to be very careful to NOT present themselves as “Melbourne FC”,
thus far, that seems to be being achieved.
The irony, is that it was Victory who opted OUT of the ‘Team Melbourne’ concept that was dabbled with a few years back – - which at the time I thought Melbourne FC should’ve been the club least wanting to dilute the brand, so to speak.
Harry Kimble said | February 1st 2010 @ 1:57pm | Report comment
I remember from years ago that both in Britain and here, soccer clubs were known by the initials AFC, an abbreviation of Association Football Club, just as Rugby clubs had the initials RFC but Rugby has now dropped the word football.
By the way,” soccer” is purely an truncation of the word “association”.
Michael C said | February 1st 2010 @ 3:50pm | Report comment
HK -
we then get the muddied waters of “AFC” for ‘amateur football club’,
or, “AFC” for “Australian Football Club”.
Mikey said | February 1st 2010 @ 10:38am | Report comment
Suppress the greatest game of all? How are they trying to suppress the Melbourne storm?
Beast-A-Tron said | February 1st 2010 @ 1:17pm | Report comment
“Lord Mayor’s Charity = AFL in Melbourne”
That’s a nice tinfoil hat you got there.
Tifosi said | February 1st 2010 @ 2:32pm | Report comment
My apologies, i read this at about 4.30am when i got up to go to work. Not even sure what i read !!!
Justin said | February 1st 2010 @ 7:02am | Report comment
Considering there is Melbourne Victory FC I dont see why Melbourne Heart FC is any different for the AFL.
PS Go Rebels!
Nam Turk said | February 1st 2010 @ 6:35am | Report comment
If AFL clubs weren’t so prissy about their nicknames being unofficial, there’d be no confusion at all. They’re the Melbourne Demons. Just accept it and welcome to the 21st century.
Froar said | February 1st 2010 @ 6:59am | Report comment
Maybe we should just put all of the little culture to the sword on the basis that this is the 21st century.
Nam Turk said | February 1st 2010 @ 10:34am | Report comment
“Demons” has more culture than the generic “Melbourne Football Club.” It’s why they were branded the name in the first place; it adds character. The hypocrisy of featuring a mascot and then scoffing at it is ridiculous. I mean, clubs like Collingwood or Essendon can get away with it because they’re more unique, but Melbourne? If you gave me an unqualified “Melbourne,” I’d think you were talking of the Storm or maybe the Victory because they both currently represent all of the city. If you said “Demons” or even “Dees,” we’d be on the same page. For the same reason, I don’t think this new soccer club should go down that path, either.
Redb said | February 1st 2010 @ 10:44am | Report comment
“If you gave me an unqualified “Melbourne,” I’d think you were talking of the Storm or maybe the Victory because they both currently represent all of the city.”
Did you just arrive in Melbourne?
In AFL circles, teams are generally either called Essendon or the Bombers, or Dons. They’re interchangeable, same with Melbourne or Demons or Dees. In footy terms if you speak of Melbourne it’s Melbourne.
The Melbourne football club is low profile at the moment due to a lack of on field success, I think your getting confused with current day on field success somehow making it more legit for Victory or Storm to be Melbourne.
Melbourne FC was created a few years ago, obviously to protect the brand as much as possible with some many new entrants, I cant see why it is a problem – happens all the time in business.
In these days of internet search engines and intellectual property rights it is wise to protect your name. The AFL would have like most organisations would have someone whose job it is to protect intellectual property.
The AFL did not proceed with the objection – it’s a beat up.
Redb
Redb said | February 1st 2010 @ 7:03am | Report comment
150 years versus 15 minutes. Pffftt.
Absolutely no-one calls Melbourne, the Melbourne Demons. Nor the Collingwood Magpies or Essendon Bombers or Carlton Blues.
The Melbourne Football Club is one of the oldest in the world dating back to the 1850s. The Melb Heart are a private nothing of a sporting franchise.
Redb
Sam said | February 1st 2010 @ 7:08am | Report comment
Blah blah blah. It’s absurd that a team can complain about having Melbourne and FC included in another teams name. Hopefully sanity prevails and the name is allowed. Can’t see how anyone will confuse Melbourne Heart FC with Melbourne Victory FC or Melbourne FC. People never call all three by their fulls names anyway. What a frivolous waste of everyones time.
Redb said | February 1st 2010 @ 7:19am | Report comment
I think the point is who cares about the Melb Heart anyway
The AFL has not proceeded with the block of the name – it’s a nothing story. The Lord Mayors Fund has the major problem with it due to their charity “heart of Melbourne’.
Blaming others for Melb Heart’s name delays is BS. How long have they been stuffing around with it.
Redb
Michael C said | February 1st 2010 @ 7:58am | Report comment
evidently people didn’t actually read the linked article – otherwise they’d be commenting on this paragraph instead of attempting to belittle MelbourneFC.
IP Australia, the federal agency which grants rights in patents, trademarks and designs, has no record of an objection from the AFL and only two weeks ago granted approval to the name Melbourne Heart FC, a formal protest was lodged by the Lord Mayor’s Charitable Fund seven days ago, on January 22.
Any ongoing delay is not due to MelbourneFC, – obviously there was some earlier communication, but, for a more official legal delay – that’s the domain of the charity. Oh gosh, what meddlers those charities are!!! (must be anti-sokkah!!!).
Mr Real Australian it's called Football Man formerly known as Kurt said | February 1st 2010 @ 7:07am | Report comment
It will be interesting to see how both clubs go. It’s been an article of faith amongst soccer fans (at least since A-league crowds and interest levels went into freefall) that there are vast teeming hordes of soccer fans out there who haven’t gotten into the a-league because it isn’t ‘Euro’ enough. If the Heart develop their own unique base this may indicate some truth to that assumption – otherwise it will just be those Victory fans keen to watch a game every weekend.
As for the Rebels, personally I think Rugby fans are getting a bit bullish with their predictions, citing 50K plus crowds at major Wallabies test matches as an indicator of true levels of support. I’d suggest they should be setting their expectations a little lower – if the club averages 20K per game for the first couple of years they’ll have done well. I’d be surprised if the hear average half that.
Sam said | February 1st 2010 @ 7:11am | Report comment
I don’t think anyone is silly enough to predict 50K fans for the Rebels. I agree that 20K would be pretty good. As for the Heart, it may help the A-League to have some real derbies, and if they are going to have another expansion team, then Melbourne is probably the best place for it.
Justin said | February 1st 2010 @ 7:12am | Report comment
Snap Sam
Justin said | February 1st 2010 @ 7:11am | Report comment
I dont think anyone one is expecting 50k crowds. 20k is certainly an attainable crowd for the Rebels. I think for big matches (Aus derbies, Crusaders, Blues, Canes) they can go close to full at the Bubble and might only get 10k for some SA matches.
jeznez said | February 2nd 2010 @ 1:47am | Report comment
As a rugby union football fan ‘d be with 20K in the first couple of years. Definitely agree that a suggestion that you’d get the same crowd for the Rebels in their six or seven home games as the Wallabies pull once every couple of years is wildly optomistic.
I think the Rebels have made some great announcements but they went through some trauma and comedy capers to get this far. Hardly a model birth to the new club but the last couple of weeks looks like they have gotten the ship in order.
And to Harry Kimble, I don’t want to start a big debate but every rugby club I’ve ever been in has been a RUFC, the English are still the RFU. Most rugby fans actually differentiate their codes by the League or Union descriptive to try and avoid confusion. Us Union lads (and lasses) are hopefully not too precious and don’t mind other codes sharing terms like Football or Rugby.
True Tah said | February 1st 2010 @ 7:30am | Report comment
Adrian,
I think the Heart can actually afford to drop the ball here and do things at their own pace. Futbol has big grassroots following in Vic, the Victory have paved the way and the fed govt will back the FFA on anything.
On the other hand, the Rebels need to do as much as they can as best they can. They represent a sport with virtually no grassroots in the area and a sport which the Fed govt couldnt give a damn about.
agga78 said | February 1st 2010 @ 7:36am | Report comment
The Rebels will get very good support just because their are enough toffs and ex pat Kiwi’s to sustain the team. Heart have been very good at getting a top manager which you failed to mention, who is more qualified to manage Australia than the dud we have at the minute. The Rebels will continue to get good media support through their connections with the establishment in Victoria. Redb Melbourne Demons are not one of the oldest football clubs in the world, because they don’t play football.
Mr Real Australian it's called Football Man formerly known as Kurt said | February 1st 2010 @ 7:40am | Report comment
Funny, here’s another one who has bought into the weird idea that the Melbourne establishment is rugby mad.
AndyRoo said | February 1st 2010 @ 8:22am | Report comment
Actually the current UEFA President Platini was the aggrieved party in some marital shenanigans in the French team…. then again they are French so probably less agrieved.
Michael C said | February 1st 2010 @ 8:37am | Report comment
“Melbourne Demons are not one of the oldest football clubs in the world, because they don’t play football.”
Do you really want to go down this path??
TahDan said | February 1st 2010 @ 10:44am | Report comment
I know… I find it is astonishing how soccer fans can be so ignorant of the origins and meanings of the word “football”.
Simmo said | February 1st 2010 @ 10:56am | Report comment
it belongs to everyone
Ghost said | February 1st 2010 @ 3:50pm | Report comment
To me thats a cop-out.
JohnB said | February 1st 2010 @ 8:50pm | Report comment
But more accurate than most of the statements on here re rights to the word.
LT80 said | February 1st 2010 @ 7:40am | Report comment
Adrian, why do you constantly use the term “franchise” rather than “club”?
Do you think it adds gravitas to the writing?
Michael C said | February 1st 2010 @ 7:55am | Report comment
when it’s a privately owned start up organisation – that is actually yet to form a playing group, let alone define names/positions etc – - – then, ‘franchise’ works pretty good. The ‘Heart’ is solely a business proposition at present. The Rebels are more advanced in building thier club.
In the AFL context, GC17 is well and truely a club presently, however, GWS18 is – even if not privately owned – is not yet a club so to speak, although, is more advanced in structuring up than Hearts by some way.
Redb said | February 1st 2010 @ 7:46am | Report comment
“The names and brandings may be for the eye of the beholder to judge, but the traction the Rebels have achieved in their comparatively shorter existence (since being accepted into Super rugby) has highlighted the flaws in the Heart’s slow approach. ”
Heart are following in the Victory’s footsteps for soccer whereas the Rebels are the first rugby franchise for Melbourne and are yet to tap into the latent following of that football code. Hence a bigger story than the ‘who cares about Heart’ mob.
Even Melbourne A League fans seriously question how they will differentiate from Victory for their soccer fix.
Whereas rugby followers in Melbourne have been waiting for a long for a team.
Rebd
AndyRoo said | February 1st 2010 @ 8:29am | Report comment
Heart are following in the Victory’s footsteps for soccer whereas the Rebels are the first rugby franchise for Melbourne
Exactly, it’s hard to get excited about MV lite and any excitement they will generate will be on the back of their playing roster. With a Salary cap that’s not going to be huge but Rome wasn’t built in a day.
Super Rugby though is new and shiny for the Victorians and something different.
ItsCalledFootball said | February 1st 2010 @ 8:17am | Report comment
Melbourne Heart have already signed up their manager John van’t Schip, a few high profile A-League players and CEO Scott Munn, the former head of AFL licensing. At the end of the European season they will announce some overseas signings and are still negotiating with Mark Viduka and Josip Skoko’s agent, among others.
The delays have been compounded by the AFL and Melbourne Demons mounting a legal challenge against Melbourne Heart calling themselves a Melbourne football club, despite the fact that Melbourne Victory has been calling itself a Melbourne football club for over 5 years.
The FFA also have limited resources and are working very hard and spending most of their time and money on the WC bids.
Melbourne Heart is not the only A-League team lacking marketing, promotion and publicity at the moment.
Still with the sort of money the FFA will make out of this year’s world cup and if they are successful with a WC bid, understandably their priority is on the world game and not the local game at this moment.
AFL see football as their major threat in Melbourne and are not helping the FFA currently by doing all they can to slow down any progress for the World Cup or the A-League and emphasising the negative issues in the AFL dominated press in Melbourne.
The AFL and its press seem to be leaving the Rebels rugby team alone for now, during their honeymoon period.
Redb said | February 1st 2010 @ 8:29am | Report comment
Please provide links for the negative articles by AFL writers on Melb Victory and Melb Heart? This is the typical soccer paranoia about AFL coming through yet again. Err just who is obsessed with who?
You fail to mention the major objector to the name – the Lord Mayor’s Fund. Funny that.
Redb
ItsCalledFootball said | February 1st 2010 @ 8:35am | Report comment
Huh?
Don’t you read the papers or blogs, watch TV or listen to the radio in Melbourne – all the stories about the WC bid ruining the AFL season, Melbourne Demons outraged by Heart calling themselves a Melbourne football club.
Lord Mayor’s Charity = AFL in Melbourne, the AFL Capital of Australia.
The legal action was taken by the Melbourne Lord Mayor’s charity on behalf of the Melbourne Demons, so the AFL didn’t look like anti-football bad boys again.
A legal challenge is a legal challenge and intented to hurt the Melbourne Heart Football Club, who don’t have the political, leagal or financial backing of the AFL.
Mr Real Australian it's called Football Man formerly known as Kurt said | February 1st 2010 @ 8:39am | Report comment
Loving the fact that the soccerinas are getting their excuses in early for the impending failure of the Melbourne expansion team. “It would’ve been a huge success with vast crowds if it wasn’t for the pesky AFL” etc. etc. Talk about a lack of confidence in your product.
ItsCalledFootball said | February 1st 2010 @ 9:39am | Report comment
No – we’re just elaborating as to the main reason the announcement of the Melbourne Heart Football Club’s public naming was delayed – a legal challenge from the Lord Mayor of Melbourne’s Charity.
Its a commercial world out there and some AFL clubs have had to move a couple of thousand kilometers and take millions of dollars from the AFL and state Governments, so they wouldn’t go broke.
Of course Melbourne Heart will have to prove themselves and the new owners are taking a business risk as did the owners of Melbourne Victory.
But if you want to predict they will go broke before they even start playing then that’s up to you.
Redb said | February 1st 2010 @ 8:42am | Report comment
The fear is strong with this one yes.
Beast-A-Tron said | February 1st 2010 @ 1:31pm | Report comment
“The legal action was taken by the Melbourne Lord Mayor’s charity on behalf of the Melbourne Demons…”
Are you at any point going to prove this? Or are you just going to keep repeating it, again and again, hoping someone will eventually believe you?
Mr Real Australian it's called Football Man formerly known as Kurt said | February 1st 2010 @ 8:36am | Report comment
Ah yes, but the lord mayor’s charity is nothing but a front for the AFL didn’t you know!
ItsCalledFootball said | February 1st 2010 @ 8:52am | Report comment
Its the farking Judean People’s Front of AFL – Splitters!
Why would a charity spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on a legal challenge to contest the naming of a football team?
But that wouldn’t seem strange to the brothers of the Judean People’s Front of AFL, now would it.
ItsCalledFootball said | February 1st 2010 @ 9:13am | Report comment
Then please answer the question – Why would a Melbourne high profile charity spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on a legal challenge to contest the naming of a football team?
Matt said | February 1st 2010 @ 10:34am | Report comment
because they think they will win and subsequently have their legal expenses covered by the defeated party. That is probably why.
ItsCalledFootball said | February 1st 2010 @ 10:47am | Report comment
How could they possibly win the case when Melbourne Victory Football Club has been in existance for six years already with the words “Melbourne, “Football” and “Club” in their title.
Ridiculous really, because even the City of Melbourne official website calls them the Melbourne Victory Football Club
http://www.melbourne.vic.gov.au/ParksandActivities/SportsandRecreation/Pages/MelbourneVictory.aspx
If the AFL or the Melbourne Lord Mayor’s Charity won the case, then they would have to do the same to Victory and Victory would have to stop operating till it was fixed.
I’d love to see that.
Dogz R Barkn said | February 1st 2010 @ 10:53am | Report comment
I’m not 100% sure here, but I think you would find that they are officially registered as Melbourne Victory FC.
So, yes, Melbourne Heart FC is probably acceptable, but Melbourne Heart Football Club may not be acceptable (in terms of offically registered names).
ItsCalledFootball said | February 1st 2010 @ 12:15pm | Report comment
Same thing isn’t it? What does FC stand for all over the world and how can the AFL lay ownership to it?
Really – just stalling tactics and being a PitA.
Redb said | February 1st 2010 @ 12:25pm | Report comment
Keep trying.
ItsCalledFootball said | February 1st 2010 @ 12:29pm | Report comment
Keep stalling . . .
Froar said | February 1st 2010 @ 6:43pm | Report comment
I don’t understand why some of my fellow assoc football supporters are still so paranoid?
I doubt that the charity is taking this on under political pressure. Legally, they risk losing their charitable status which would effectively disolve the organisation.
It kind of shoots the conspiracy argument in the foot.
ItsCalledFootball said | February 1st 2010 @ 11:08pm | Report comment
Huh?
Paranoia.
How in the world is Melbourne Lord Mayor’s Charity going to lose its charity status, because of Melbourne Heart Football Club?
Beast-A-Tron said | February 1st 2010 @ 1:47pm | Report comment
“Same thing isn’t it? What does FC stand for all over the world and how can the AFL lay ownership to it?”
But that just isn’t true, you are lying; the AFL has done nothing of the sort.
Michael C said | February 1st 2010 @ 10:57am | Report comment
The Lord Mayor’s Charity is NOT concerned with any use of “Melbourne”, “Football”, “FC”.
It’s the “Heart of Melbourne” charity brand/image that is of concern here – and any marketing of Melbourne Hearts/Heart of MElbourne with respect to the soccer team will have to be done very carefully.
That’s why it’s ludicrous to claim this action as a covert pro-AFL move by the city council – because, the “Heart” bit has nothing whatsoever to do with the AFL.
Haven’t you figured that bit out yet???
ItsCalledFootball said | February 1st 2010 @ 12:27pm | Report comment
Yes I can see your point now and agree Michael.
Everyone will get confused with the Lord Mayor’s Hearts of Melbourne charity when they really want to go to the Melbourne Hearts Football Club games – it will be chaotic.
And these people too can expect football fans to knock on their door by mistake
http://melbourneheart.com.au/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdScsag3WbE
http://www.rmit.edu.au/browse/News%20and%20Events%2FNewsroom%2FNews%2FMedia%20Releases%2Fby%20title%2FN%2F;ID=vr8tg67cojv2;STATUS=A
http://www.melbourneheartsurgery.com.au/
http://www.egov.vic.gov.au/pdfs/CaseStudies/Bcase9.pdf
http://www.hotfrog.com.au/Companies/Melbourne-Heart-Centre
http://www.melbourneheartcare.com.au/
http://www.hotfrog.com.au/Companies/Melbourne-Heart-Care
ItsCalledFootball said | February 1st 2010 @ 12:34pm | Report comment
Is the Lord Mayor making a legal challenge against these poeple too
http://melbourneheart.com.au/
I can see how the poor people of Melbourne will get easily confused and end up at a Hearts football game instead of donating to the Lord mayor’s charity or seeing their heart specialist.
Michael C said | February 1st 2010 @ 12:41pm | Report comment
What probably started coming to their notice was reporting of stories like this one the heart of melbournes new aleague bid, that would’ve probably rung some alarm bells.
The “Melbourne Heart” medical specialist centre probably don’t go claiming to be the “Heart of Melbourne” medical centre.
One would imagine the main aspect of all this is a confirmation that the club NOT actively engage in or encourage “Heart of Melbourne” type marketing/references, such that suggestions for “Sporting Heart of Melbourne” would probably not be tolerated.
But, where the club to call itself “St.Vincents”??
Towser said | February 1st 2010 @ 1:05pm | Report comment
Have a heart. Your just heartless. I know I wear my heart on my sleeve,but I’m just trying to get to the heart of the matter.
Still Its good for a hearty laugh .
Whats that English sea shanty “heart of Oak are our men”. Change the name to the”Vampires” then we can just drive a stake into it. Perhaps their supporters can come from the “Tin man Club” of Melbourne. There also looking for Hearts.
Do they have a big membership in Melbourne?
Australian Football said | February 1st 2010 @ 1:53pm | Report comment
ItsCalledFootball
Further damning evidence of the AFL/lord mayor’s true disgraceful attempts in trying to strip “Hearts” from the new Football Club’s Franchise name..
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AF
Michael C said | February 1st 2010 @ 1:07pm | Report comment
“If the AFL or the Melbourne Lord Mayor’s Charity won the case”
How can the AFL win the case?
THe AFL aren’t proceeding any actions.
Melbourne Victory FC has zero to do with “Heart of Melbourne”
AFL has zero to do with “Heart of Melbourne”.
you’re stalling better than Redb could by arguing about something that isn’t happening or going to happen.
Dogz R Barkn said | February 1st 2010 @ 9:21am | Report comment
I’m no expert in the field, but I imagine they would do it for the same reason that Absolut vodka challenged the use of the word Absolut in marketing a range of swimwear sold on line.
Redb said | February 1st 2010 @ 9:36am | Report comment
so you have no evidence or you would not be asking.
AndyRoo said | February 1st 2010 @ 8:55am | Report comment
I think this is the most famous one
Mike Sheehan – Herald Sun.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/soccer-just-too-ho-hum/story-e6frfbro-1111112946158
AndyRoo said | February 1st 2010 @ 8:58am | Report comment
Ok their were about 6 posts i didn’t see before I posted that …in those 6 posts the thread went a bit loony.
I would have thought this would all be solved by a simple the Lord Mayors Charity becoming the Mleboune Hearts preffered Charity and a bit of cross promotion.
Lets not forget the Brisbane Lions received $$$ for letting the AFL team use the name
ItsCalledFootball said | February 1st 2010 @ 9:03am | Report comment
Haven’t you ever seen Life of Brian?
ItsCalledFootball said | February 1st 2010 @ 9:09am | Report comment
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PrheWm2bF4
Michael C said | February 1st 2010 @ 9:05am | Report comment
oh gee- – - and how far back is this dredging? Relevance to the Rebels and Hearts???
Redb said | February 1st 2010 @ 9:12am | Report comment
So clearly there has been a plethora if you have to go back to 2007 to fine one
I’ve been to 3 A League games including a semi final and find the game mostly ho hum as well It just doesn’t compare to AFL footy but everyone is different.
It;’s called soccer made it out like there is this army of AFL writers churning out anti soccer pieces daily about the nw team, its just rubbish.
i doubt any AFL writer has even mentioned Melb Heart positive or negative.
Redb
AndyRoo said | February 1st 2010 @ 9:46am | Report comment
I was just replying to RedB’s request “Please provide links for the negative articles by AFL writers on Melb Victory and Melb Heart”
I didn’t actually look it up, I used an old site (hasn’t been updated in 3 years) that has quite a few anti soccer pieces from AFL people but you specified “melbourne victory or Melbourne heart” which narrowed it down a lot, most attacks are just on the game itself.
Why do we keep such lists…… no reason….it’s definitely not because after the revolution we have a list of names that we will send to work in the Pilbra mines or our new Skoda factory.
Redb said | February 1st 2010 @ 9:55am | Report comment
the point is they are still few and far between, given Lynch, Foster, Hill and their anti AFL agendaet al – the arrows have been crossing back and forth for awhile.
AndyRoo said | February 1st 2010 @ 10:08am | Report comment
I am not claiming the high ground either.
I am quite comfortable where football is, it’s not like the old days where a Phil Rothfield piece bagging football would represent 80% of the football news in that paper for the day with the other 20% being European league scores tucked next to the horse racing.
Once we get on FTA people can make their own choice and if they don’t like then so be it, if they do like it I don’t think they are going to be discouraged by an anti piece in the newspaper.
Michael C said | February 1st 2010 @ 12:21pm | Report comment
heh heh….the Skoda Falcon claims it’s 5th straight Bathurst title defeating the Proton Commodore…..
Lazza said | February 1st 2010 @ 11:06am | Report comment
But you reckon that an 80 point thrashing in a game that’s all over by half time is interesting to watch so we have to question your judgement?
The best matches in sport are close, absorbing CONTESTS.
Michael C said | February 1st 2010 @ 11:30am | Report comment
“The best matches in sport are close, absorbing CONTESTS.”
agreed,
however,
Just as a soccer die hards can quote occurrences of teams coming from 0-3 down at half time to win, so too, sadly, can Australian Football fans quote of teams coming from 12 goals down just before half time to win (Essendon over my North Melb almost 10 years ago!!),
just as soccer die hards can quote of teams who scored 3 times in injury time to miraculously win, so too can AFL folk speak of teams that came from 40 pts down at 3/4 time to win, or slam through 3 goals in 3 mins in ‘red time’ to grab an unlikely win.
Michael C said | February 1st 2010 @ 11:35am | Report comment
edit – actually, I forgot, the last para was meant to be :
A couple of things are important. One, is that the potential to get smashed makes a close game all the more enthralling,……even for soccer, the potential to get smashed 6-0 makes you appreciate a 2-1 all the more (surely??),
and, the knowledge of the history of magical comebacks and boilovers is what provides hope when trailling heavily – - and if it were easy to comeback from X goals down……then, the miracles and magicals wouldn’t be described thus.
Therefore, for every 1 goal margin, it’s good to have the odd 50+ point margin – - it reminds you of what’s at stake and helps classic games elevate themselves more clearly – - as, after all, many a dud game (of any sport) has produced a close scoreline that falsely gave the impression of a good game if it hadn’t been observed to be otherwise.
whiskeymac said | February 1st 2010 @ 8:27am | Report comment
Interesting comparisons.
heart have signed some good players and installed someone who appears, on paper at least, with a reasonable pedigree and experience. but it is just a bit boring re: the name and colours dragging on. Is too late to apply for the name Melbourne Ennui it shd help differentiate them from the Victory. At this rate they are destined to become the equivalent of an everton to liverpool, the spurs to an arsenal and an altetico to real, why rush into 2nd place? on the other hand I sincerely hope they do well – Melbourne derby cld light up the HAL like no other.
As for the Rebels – i hope they make it too. Using the name rebels and euroka stockade etc is interesting – i may be wrong but i thought Melb HAL teams/ suporters at least werent allowed to do the same re: too political (as if, those red shirts need to be taught a thing or too). I hope that they all grow 1850 style beards, something for the props to bind onto. Unions a good sport and the Wallabies need as many feeder teams as possible!
Simmo said | February 1st 2010 @ 10:58am | Report comment
I suggest the Ennui play in beige
Bay35Pablo said | February 1st 2010 @ 11:27am | Report comment
How about Melbourne Schadenfreude?
Nathan said | February 1st 2010 @ 8:48am | Report comment
“Importantly, as opposed to the Heart, the Rebels already have an identity – a name, colours, website, and a forum for their fans to engage and rally online.”
What a pathetically uniformed author!!
If he had bothered to spend a few simple minutes searching on the net (instead of writing this dismal effort) he would have found the Melbourne Heart Syndicate website and forum.
Website: http://melbourneheartsyn.com/
Forum: http://www.melbourneheart.proboards.com/index.cgi?
Get behind the club in terms of support – not behind it with a knife
James said | February 1st 2010 @ 10:50am | Report comment
Nathan, how can you compare this basic forum (which you need to be registered to even view) – http://www.melbourneheart.proboards.com/index.cgi? – to the Rebels fan site with its pages on facebook etc – http://www.rebel-army.com/
It’s chalk and cheese.
The Heart site is a syndicate site. Hardly inspiring much passion with the supporters.
Nathan said | February 1st 2010 @ 11:23am | Report comment
I agree it is not the most aesthetically appealing forum but it is a temporary one until the official colours + emblem are released. The main point is that there are passionate fans on it who ‘engage and rally online’ – something which yourself and the author of the article has suggested we do not!
James said | February 1st 2010 @ 11:47am | Report comment
Heart don’t have an identity, as suggested. There may be a forum run by fans (not the greatest forum, as you say), but it pales in comparison to what the Rebels are doing on the fan front that’s cause of the inaction of the Heart syndicate.
Nathan said | February 1st 2010 @ 11:54am | Report comment
My point is that Heart have a group of dedicated fans who are passionate about football!
My original point is that whether it looks good or not – we have a forum and a website – something which the author of this article failed to recognise!
ItsCalledFootball said | February 1st 2010 @ 12:05pm | Report comment
. . . and a venture that is unable to start an official Melbourne Hearts Football Club website due to impending legal action from the AFL and the Lord Mayor of Melbourne.
James said | February 1st 2010 @ 12:11pm | Report comment
@ItsCalledFootball, had they settled on a name ages ago – when they were awarded the place in the A-League (how long ago was that?), they would have all this legal issues sorted and could have made an announcement sooner. It’s been too drawn out a process and now its getting to the crucial stage where things need to come together pretty quickly.