Italy is guilty of a ‘losing ugly’ mentality
By Spiro Zavos, 8 Feb 2010 Spiro Zavos is a Roar Expert
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Italy's Mauro Bergamasco, left, is tackled by Ireland's Brian O'Driscoll in their Six Nations rugby union international match at Croke Park, Dublin, Ireland, Saturday, Feb. 6, 2010. (AP Photo/Peter Morrison)
Nick Mallet is a sophisticated man: he speaks several languages. He is bright: he was a Rhodes Scholar. He has been a very good coach: his Springboks in 1998/199 won 17 straight Tests, a South African winning sequence record. He is, however, a very poor coach of Italy.
He has set his team a goal of losing by no more than 15 points. That margin or preferably fewer points represents, Mallet has told his team, a sort of victory for Italy.
And to consolidate this negative team ambition, Mallett has imposed a style of play on Italy that ensures that his team can’t win Tests but will invariably lose in as ugly a fashion as possible.
This ‘losing ugly’ style makes Italy a difficult team to play expansive and attractive rugby against, as Ireland found on Saturday at Croke Park. They did, though, win 29 – 11 and this score reflected in a curious way a sort of double loss by Italy.
Ireland went past the 15-point mark and were never in any danger of losing the Test. Given the extremely negative nature of Italy’s play and the fact that this was the opening match of the Six Nations tournament, I thought Ireland were quite impressive.
There was nothing in the England-Wales match to suggest that these team will stop Ireland’s unbeaten run which now extends to 12 Tests, a national record for Ireland.
As well as being difficult for oppositions to play attractively against (the All Blacks and the Wallabies have struggled to put Italy away comprehensively in Italy), Italy plays (if such an active verb can be used in this context) the most unwatchable rugby that can ever have been inflicted on spectators by any team.
Every ball is kicked away. We don’t know if the backs can run and pass and make breaks because they never try these rugby basics.
They cheat at virtually every scrum. Against the All Blacks last year Stu Dickinson had a rare off day and let them away with this. On Saturday the French referee Romain Poite did not tolerate the boring-in tactics from the Italian front row and penalised them frequently, and correctly.
The worst aspect of their play, even worse than the never-ending kicking (with no one actually chasing the high balls), is the way the Italian halfbacks allow the ball to sit at the back of the ruck for more than 10 seconds. You feel like screaming out, ‘Use it! Damn you!’.
The sooner referees start applying a use-it or lose-it call, giving teams like Italy (and other ‘sitters’ like England and Wales to only a slightly lesser extent) five seconds maximum to play the ball, the better.
Italy, too, like all the European teams play their first five-eighths mainly in the quarter-back position, directly behind the half rather than almost in line with him. The result of this senseless positioning is that most of the European teams, even Ireland and Wales – teams that actually try to run the ball – have to kick away possession quite often from turnovers rather than launching wide attacking raids.
Talking about senseless play, Alun Wyn Jones, the Wales second-rower lost the Test against England at Twickenham when he stuck out a leg to trip the English hooker Dylan Hartley right in front of the referee Alain Rolland. The score was 3-3 at the time just five minutes before half-time with Wales looking like a side that could continue its run of victories at the home of English rugby.
Ten minutes later when Jones came rather shame-facedly back on the field the score was 20 – 3. Even though Wales came back strongly and scored 14 unanswered points, the game was effectively lost by an action that Brian Moore (who is turning into an excellent commentator) called a ‘half-witted’ and ‘silly cheap shot.’
England’s lineout was good, with Steve Borthwick doing a Victor Matfield in organising no fewer than six steals against the throw. The scrum was barely adequate, though. Jonny Wilkinson kicked too much and poorly and his positioning was in the European disease mode which made it virtually impossible for England to have any fluency in their backline.
England were an improvement on the side that performed so poorly against the southern hemisphere teams at the end of last year. But this was an improvement from someone on a life-support system to someone who is off it, for the time being.
Whether Saturday’s performance reflects an actual improvement or that Wales seems to be on another slippery slope to rugby mediocrity remains to be seen.
By far the best thing about England was their playing strip which reflected the strip used back in 1910 when Twickenham hosted its first Test. The off-white of the jerseys, with real collars, the band of blue around the waist of the white shorts and the blue socks looked terrific. The current jersey, with its red slash on the white, looks as if the England players have had their throats slit and blood is streaming out of the wound on to their jersey.
What a pity that Wales didn’t wear their 1910 playing kit, the famous scarlet jersey, the black shorts and the scarlet socks. The current outfit, a sort of Miami Vice red, with no collar, white shorts and green socks with a curious white pattern on them, looks like a dog breakfast.
Is it a coincidence that Wales played in a similar dogs breakfast fashion?
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Wavell Wakefield said | February 8th 2010 @ 5:57am | Report comment
Completely agree that Mallett is a poor coach of Italy. Johnstone and Berbizier made incrimental improvements whereas Mallett has taken the team backwards at a rate of knots. Not only that but he is publicly negative, and often too.
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I disagree that the Italians cheat at ‘virtually every scrum’. I’m not sure how you could qualify such a comment, Spiros?
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I’m still peturbed that you’re pushing this ‘European disease’ stuff. Have you not watched Australia play under Robbie Deans, or for that matter, have you ever watched South Africa play? I have a sneaking suspicion that the inclusion of Australia in the 3N means that you think that Australia has a rugby connection with New Zealand, Mr Zavos. Not so I’m afraid. Ye heavens, no.
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It is a shame that Wales didn’t wear a centenary strip.
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How did Wales play like a dogs breakfast when they looked ready to beat England?
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Is 12 unbeaten tests a national record for Ireland, or is 13 the national record?
scarlet said | February 8th 2010 @ 6:03am | Report comment
this is my post from the Wales/England thread
was very disappointed with the Welsh handling in the first half but the substitutions, and a big rev at half time from Gatland, made for a more incisive second half. The Welsh backs showed a desire to run the ball and the ability to penetrate the defence. Hook and Roberts could be a very exciting centre combination along the lines of O’Driscoll and Roberts for the Lions, but it will take a few games for them to gel. Cooper was shown to be one dimensional, as was Tom James. AW Jones should have had the crap kicked out of him at half time by his team mates as he lost the Test through an act of crass, schoolboy stupidity. Overall I was not too depressed by the Welsh performance. If I was English I would be more concerned as the backs still lack any penetration or subtlety. The Welsh scrum suffered from the loss of two outstanding Lions front row forwards and the lack of a quality scrum half also meant that delivery in to the backs was often laboured by the Greganesque two steps before passing off the base of the scrum/ruck/maul that was evident with Cooper. It is no coincidence that the arrival of Richie Rees saw improved performance from the backs as he passed quickly and flatly without taking a couple of steps, maybe Wales will be able to develop further strength in depth with him to support Phillips and Peel. Also Andy Powell is too predictable and maybe Jonathan Thomas should take his place.
Wales gifted this game to England….bugger!
Wavell Wakefield said | February 8th 2010 @ 6:34am | Report comment
I saw absolutely nothing from Jamie Roberts, yet again, so I’d be more worried if I was Welsh, scarlet. Shane Williams is not a test winger anymore, Stephen Jones is on his way out and Martyn Williams is not getting younger. That’s a lot of experience. For me, the game proved more questions than answers. Welsh rugby simply has no depth – hence the scrum gained little ascendency, and the lineout was demolished. Flood is not the long-term English 12, and Tait started his first match at 13 in a few years. Significantly this is a settled Welsh side, and yet there is no hint that the team is capable of matching the heights of two years ago. This England line-up hasn’t played together for an entire year, so a mixed bag should be expected.
scarlet said | February 8th 2010 @ 6:15am | Report comment
The European disease?
That is one of those silly ‘have a go at Stephen Jones’ comments where the ‘Hemisphere baiting’ continues. It is quite ridiculous really as all nations are playing the same boring kick it up the middle style in the hope of generating turnover off a mistake and lets not restart the tedious debate on the ELV’s. The SH sides are just a guilty as anyone of playing this tactic and it is unbelievably tedious. Have just watched the Dragons against Saracens and it was the Dragons who made all the running and the heavily SA influenced Saracens stayed in the game through penalties and drop goals/drop goal attempts. Only one team was determined to play running rugby – the Dragons. am very keen to see what the Super 14 season will bring, hopefully it will bring balanced rugby with strong scrummaging and forward play which will allow exciting back line running rugby. That is how that game was intended, and how it should be played. As a Welshman who has spent 20 years living in Sydney and now unfortunately stuck back in the UK for a while I hope that guys like Spiro can bring more balanced reporting and unite all in the search for balanced, fluent, running rugby (and Spiro, don’t take that as another opportunity to spruik the bloody ELV’s)! The last time Australia went all out in support of running rugby it lost the ability to scrummage…….
Bay35Pablo said | February 8th 2010 @ 1:23pm | Report comment
It won’t matter what the Super 14 plays as it will be under different interpretations which the boofheads in the IRB will reject because it comes from south of the equator and is the rugby equivalent of murdering babis in their eyes, or sumfink similar.
Viscount Crouchback said | February 8th 2010 @ 6:51am | Report comment
Totally agree about the “use it or lose it” call. Goalkeepers in soccer are given six seconds to kick the ball from hand, so I don’t see why something similar shouldn’t apply to scrum halves in rugby.
pothale said | February 8th 2010 @ 7:51am | Report comment
It was still godawful stuff from Ireland though. I don’t buy the notion that because the other team is doing, that they have to be similarly shackled. Every fan in the place was screaming at the Ireland to get the ball out and move it quickly. I thought Poite had a poor day in marshalling the offside line, but notwithstanding, Ireland had the guns in their backline to do a lot more damage.
Kearney must be hoping – along with a lot of Irish fans – that he’s had his ‘mare’ of a match out of his system. He was lacklustre, lazy and seemed to be sparking on about 3 of the ten cylinders that he has shown previously.
Earls and Dempsey are not up to scratch to replace him, so here’s hoping he’s back in form next week.
Italy’s delays at the scrum should have been tested a bit more, even if it meant coughing up a penalty to find out, through assuming the ball was out (because on a few occasions it was, and the ref let them away with it.)
84% said | February 8th 2010 @ 10:26am | Report comment
Spiros, you’ve shown yet again that you know SFA about Coaching and Rugby Union ! To say that Mallet has applied a “negative team ambition” to have as their current goal a loss of not more than 15 pts shows how little you know about good coaching. Since Mallet has taken the reigns of Italy they have indeed improved their overall performance by reducing their losses.(one step of many). Have you lost sight of the lack of talent available to Italy not to mention their light “rugby culture” ? It takes years to hone a nations rugby skills and must be done at the grass roots level with long term plans … like what Australia used to have twenty plus years ago, that brought them up from “also rans” to being one of the top Rugby nations, alas they too (Australia, probably aided by your and other “rugby Journalists” confusion with which code to play) have gone backwards at a rate of knots.
Robby Deans like Mallet are two superb Rugby Coaches who have the runs on the board and need your understanding about their skills and not have you going off like a badly constructed firecracker when their teams don’t conform to your expectations as to how Rugby Union should or should not be played. Learn the game …Union is TOTALLY different from League and remember that Union is also an all weather game where sometimes you have to use your team in different configurations and tacticts depending on who your opposition is.
Please make the necessary distinctions between the two codes when next you take pen to paper to report on what you know too little about.
I imagine that this will not pass your censorship which is part and parcel of your lack of insight.
Hammer said | February 8th 2010 @ 11:49am | Report comment
Wow – I often think SZ dials in his contributions to this site … they’re seem a mish mash of his more serious articles and last minute rush jobs …. but this really seems over the top … Italy under Mallett are horrible to watch and they celebrate losing margins … in their current guise they’re a blight on the 6N’s
Wavell Wakefield said | February 9th 2010 @ 5:00am | Report comment
Mallett has reduced losing margins has he? What are the stats?
Mr cheese said | February 8th 2010 @ 10:39am | Report comment
I think that Mr Zavos knows very little about Italian rugby: they have about 30 players in the whole country, and most of them are Aussies earning a few quid after leaving Rugby League.
Romania would have been a more obvious choice for the 6th nation, but nobody fancied Bucharest. The powers-that-be fancied an occasional trip to Rome instead. Neither Italy nor Romania would have been excellent, but still…..
Nick Mallett has a bunch of goats to work with. What do you expect him to do ?????
Choosing 15 decent Italian egg-chasers is like choosing 15 decent Australian novelists. However hard you look, you just won’t find them…
True Tah said | February 8th 2010 @ 3:41pm | Report comment
Mr cheese
you dont know a lot about Italian rugby, there are more Argies than Aussies in their side.
And rugby is a lot more popular in Italy than it ever was in Romania.
Matt said | February 8th 2010 @ 6:33pm | Report comment
The number of young kids and teens playing the game in Italy has exploded since their inclusion in the six nations and the media coverage has greatly increased. Give it time. It took the French ten years to win their first game in the competition didn’t it?
pothale said | February 8th 2010 @ 11:09am | Report comment
On a related note to Italy’s continuing ability to perform at test level, it would appear that the financial guarantees necessary for them to join the Magners League have now been secured.
Let’s wait and see if Scotland come up with another barrier to entry……
Chris said | February 8th 2010 @ 11:49am | Report comment
Perhaps its time that they kick Scotland out of the Magners and replace them with the Italians? In the long term Italy will be a much more important rugby market. Scottish rugby is dying, Italian rugby is exploding (except on the field of course where they seem to be going backwards).
If 80,000 fans at the San Siro can’t convince the powers that be to act then nothing will.
soapit said | February 8th 2010 @ 11:51am | Report comment
i assume italy are wanting to improve in the future. to do this they’ll have to attract a larger playing pool.
how will they attract this extra talent. people like winning and if you can’t get a win watching good performance and their team having a go. if i was italian i wouldnt want anything to do with a national team that had damage limitation as their main goal in most matches in their annual comp. note that they can achieve their not losing by more then 15 without actually scoring at all so they can “succeed” without having any success as an attacking (kicking or running or mauling or whatever)team whatsoever. bad for rugby and very bad for italian rugby.
it’s so incredibly short sighted. plus they’re in the 6N to help them develop italian rugby but it goes both ways. wouldnt matter in one off games but an ongoing situation in one of the worlds top 2 annual rugby comps just aint good enough.
Bay35Pablo said | February 8th 2010 @ 1:27pm | Report comment
“The off-white of the jerseys, with real collars, the band of blue around the waist of the white shorts and the blue socks looked terrific”
Terrific? More like horrific. I thought they were horrid. I couldn’t work out if someone had left something in the wash with the kit, or if they started out white and the grass stains were having a weird effect.
Go back to straight white, this cream or off white or whatever looked …… (urgh). Words fail me.