Carney must play in halves for Roosters
By Alan Nicolea, 11 Feb 2010 Alan Nicolea is a Roar Guru
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Brian Smith’s pedigree as a first grade coach is to be respected, but his decision to shift Todd Carney into the fullback role this season is a risk not worth taking, especially when you have one of the most solid custodians in Sam Perrett at your disposal.
With three good halves fighting for starting positions at the Bondi-Junction club, Smith has been forced to make one of the more surprising positional switches in NRL history.
Instead of opting to move current five-eighth Braith Anasta to Lock, Smith has opted to move Carney into a position the former Canberra Raiders star has no experience in.
And to shift one of the most solid fullbacks in the game in Perrett out of position is certainly asking for trouble against the majority of NRL teams this season, let alone the premiership candidates.
Disregarding the fact that Perrett has established himself as one of the prime yardage gainers in the NRL at No.1, the 24 year old simply isn’t as effective on the wing due to a lack of height and explosive speed.
Although his try scoring rate playing on the flanks for New Zealand is clinical,(9 tries in 13 Tests), Perrett is a liability in the air , in particular against taller wingers such as Israel Folau, Antonio Winterstein, Taniela Tuiaki and Manu Vatuvei.
Perrett is much more adept defusing a bomb in the middle of the park, and thus has become one of the more reliable fullbacks in the game at the moment.
One only has to look at how far Perrett has come in Anthony Minichiello’s absence to see how much he prefers playing at fullback for the Roosters.
Indeed, Perrett himself will only grow in stature whilst being on the end of the great ball playing service Mitchell Pearce and Carney can offer in the halves.
During his four year reign at the Raiders, Carney was often touted as a future Origin and Kangaroos player thanks to his complete passing, running and kicking game.
Barely into his twenties, Carney had solidified himself as one of the most influential halves in the NRL, known for his ability to constantly produce clinical cut-out passes and kick a 40/20.
Not to mention the 23 year old is also a fine drop goal exponent, winning numerous matches while playing for the Green Machine off his own boot.
Were it not for his off field misdemeanours, it would have only been a matter of time before Carney found himself wearing the Sky Blue for NSW and the Green and Gold for the Kangaroos.
While it may take a few matches for Carney to develop a strong partnership with Pearce, coach Smith needs to realise this combination will pay much more dividends in the future – more than a move to fullback ever will.
With both Pearce and Carney still under 24 years of age, time is on Smith’s side to nurture a halves combination with the potential to dominate the NRL and lead the Roosters to some much needed on field success.
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Mick from Giralang said | February 11th 2010 @ 7:16am | Report comment
Smith is a canny coach but I can’t understadn this either, Alan. In Carney’s time at Canberra tackling was not one of his strengths. Be interesting to see him one-on-one with someone like Falou, Inglis or Slater.
alan nicolea said | February 11th 2010 @ 9:17am | Report comment
Mick
He wouldn’t stand a chance. God help him when he tries to stop a guy like Dave Taylor close to the line in round 1 against the Rabbitohs. Anasta himself has declared that lock is a position he would not mind playing in. His game suits it although Smith has other ideas. If Carney is a success however, Smith is a genius and really only needs the damn premiership which has eluded him, well, ever.
M1tch said | February 11th 2010 @ 9:25am | Report comment
I think he and Pearce will be a good partnership, all this talk about him being like a Gidley is crazy talk, he is a halves player and not so long ago he was a good one.
MyGeneration said | February 11th 2010 @ 9:43am | Report comment
Yes, surprising way to reward Perrett after he was one of their few shining lights last year.
Roostar said | February 11th 2010 @ 10:05am | Report comment
Alan i would have thought moving Anthony Minichiello from fullback to wing would be a more significant positional change than moving Sam Perrett to what has been his home out on the sideline, right?
After all, the Kiwi back has been selected mostly by his club and country on the wing and in the centres before being considered at the back. He was no more than a replacement in the number one jersey for the injured Minichiello at the Roosters.
Minichiello started on the wing only because Luke Phillips was at the back when he debuted. Once Phillips retired Minichiello made the position at the back his own, before being voted the league’s best fullback in 2004 and the world’s best player in 2005 when he was awarded the Golden Boot Award.
I’d say he would be the one most harshly done by with this change given he made that position his own for New South Wales and Australia before injury struck.
I have no doubt Carney will see some time in the halves this season, that risk you speak of I think will be averted as early as round one.
Not because it won’t work but other factors will force the new coach to hold off on his gamble… Wait and see.
mushi said | February 11th 2010 @ 11:46am | Report comment
This was always the problem with signing him, to make it work someone has to play out of position or you have a chunk of the cap sitting on the pine.
Anasta isn’t a lock, we’ve tried this experiment a few times all with the same poor result. Is Pearce anything other than a half? Could he survive the work rate of hooker?
As for defence, tackling is a bit of a nothing concern. No fullback is a great tackler. Of all fullbacks who made at least 70 tackles last year only Gidley had better tackling % than Carney in the halves, it’s just that a half looks horrible because they constantly get targeted with ball running second rowers.
Where his major liability is going to be is as a kick returner, fullbacks biggest defence affect is winning the field position to and fro with the opponent kicker, this takes wingers speed and agility combined with positioning. Not sure Carney has shown either.
I didn’t see the sense in buying a high profile name to fill our only position of strength. Maybe an injury will help smithy out.
Mick from Giralang said | February 12th 2010 @ 7:57am | Report comment
“No fullback is a great tackler”
I think you’re underrating Minichello and Perrett there. Both wonderful one-on-one defenders.
mushi said | February 12th 2010 @ 8:47am | Report comment
I think you devaluing the word wonderful, they miss 3 of every 10 tackles, if they are wonderful Carney is a stupendous legendary tackling machine.
Fullbacks defensive efforts get the opposite of the half in terms of skewed naked eye observation.
Their misses get remember for the try scorer or the valiant other cover defender and the quantity of attempts means that even after a bad game they haven’t missed enough attempts for the number to be a piece fo throw away “analysis”.
Whilst their successes, which often stop a try, result in the commentators bleating on about their efforts, especially during a break in play.
Mick from Giralang said | February 12th 2010 @ 9:27am | Report comment
Que?
mushi said | February 12th 2010 @ 10:43am | Report comment
Which bit don’t you understand:
- They don’t effect ~30% of their tackles
- That is worse than Carney
- The naked eye test horrendously over exaggerates how good they are because:
- when they fail the success of another player is focused on (try scorer, clean up cover defender)
- they attempt relatively few tackles so the number of misses per game doesn’t jump out (you won’t be able to say hey they blew 5 tackles today)
- when they succeed their successes excessively are disproportionately highlighted
Mick from Giralang said | February 12th 2010 @ 11:31am | Report comment
Don’t agree
LT80 said | February 11th 2010 @ 7:56pm | Report comment
Alan I agree. It seems like a strange gamble to play Carney at fullback. I would rather see Pearce trialled at hooker, with Carney and Anasta in the halves.
But the real concern for Easts is in the centres.
ScottWoodward.me said | February 12th 2010 @ 12:06am | Report comment
You all have some excellent observations, and personally, I always saw Carney as the successor to Lockyer.
Ok for what it is worth this is why Carney will play 1.
* Anasta is still one of the best 5/8ths in the world so why move him.
* Carney reads a game well and has the pace to run the length of the field. He can pop on on either side of the field and combine with Pearce and Anasta.
* Based on what he has shown in the off season, Carney has taken to fullback like a “duck to water”.
He is seen as a modern day fullback, unlike Mini.
The Roosters have a lot of options at centre inc Phil Graham/Ben Jones/ /Kane Linnett/ Shaun Kenny-Dowall /BJ Leilua abd Mitch Aubusson. Remember the kid BJ Leilula who somes from the St Geo SG Ball.
For me the concern is hooker, I have no doubt Carney will be a success at 1.
ScottWoodward.me said | February 12th 2010 @ 12:14am | Report comment
This is an excerpt from my eBook:
Sydney Roosters
Scott’s Likely Team
1 Todd Carney*/Anthony Minichiello
2 Sam Perrett
3 Phil Graham/Ben Jones/ / Kane Linnett
4 Shaun Kenny-Dowall /BJ Leilua
5 Anthony Minichiello/ Shaun Kenny-Dowall
6 Braith Anasta* /Todd Carney*
7 Mitch Pierce*
8 Frank-Paul Nuuausala
9 James Aubusson/ Nick Kouparitsas
10 Jason Ryles
11 Tom Symonds/Boyd Cordner
12 Anthony Cherrington
13 Nat Myles /Braith Anasta*
14 Jared Waerea-Hargreaves
15 Lopini Paea
16 Mitch Aubusson,Aidan Guerra,Daniel Conn
17 Ben Jones
* Denotes critical to team structure
alan nicolea said | February 12th 2010 @ 8:13am | Report comment
Scott Woodward
Jared Waerea Hargreaves should certainly start the game at No.11 IMO instead of Tom Symonds. The Kid has terrific potential.