Bring back New South Wales v Queensland
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By stillmissit, 19 Feb 2010 stillmissit is a Roar Rookie
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Watching how upset Horwill got at the last minute loss to the Waratahs brought back to me how hard fought the NSW v Queensland matches used to be.
We have such a mix of players from all states playing for whoever pays most or offers a job. For a franchise to make out there is a state v state match going on is hard for me to understand as I watch Berrick Barnes and Drew Mitchell lining up with the Waratahs.
Once a season we need a NSW v Queensland Match and to keep Sheek happy, it should be in traditional colours without sponsors on the uniform. It should also be able to encompass overseas players if available, so that we get the best of the best in a grand contest in the best traditions of Queensland and NSW.
Would be great if somewhere down the track a WA v Melbourne game could be added. I don’t think the ACT would ever have enough home grown players to make up a team.
I would love to watch this game and hopefully we can define it differently to the rugby league state of origin although that is a great and logical competition.
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formeropenside said | February 19th 2010 @ 7:33am | Report comment
I still dont understand why the teams beyond Qld and NSW are not just called Qld A and NSW A and also based out of the heartland states. I mean, Qld and NSW produce all the players, only to lose them to poaching parasites (and I am not excluding NSW from this: they produce even more players than Qld, but still feel the need to poach Mowen, Barnes, McKibbin, Nadolo. Drew Mitchell was born a New South Welshman in his heart though, so you can have him.
stillmissit said | February 19th 2010 @ 8:39am | Report comment
formeropenside – I guess that coaches want something they dont have and regardless of how well they could turn out they want the one with the tickets on him. In recent years that has been Qld that has been cleaned out and Waratahs who seem unable to identify who can turn out well for them.
I cannot understand that the lessons from the Brumbies have not been learnt by NSW and they continue to let talent go either early in Justin Harrison’s case or just a waste like Staniforth. You have to say that rugby in Australia compared to NZ and SA is amateur hour. We had a moment in the sun with Rod MCQueen but since then it has been back to madness and politics as usual.
A game between these two great rugby states without any dilution of talent would be a big draw card and could put a lot of money into QLD’s pockets and top up NSW’s as well. Both states have had great players for a long time and I am sure that some of the guys out there who are more into players than I am could put together potential teams.
formeropenside said | February 19th 2010 @ 9:48am | Report comment
Agreed, but you can still keep Mitchell. And no way can the gutless traitor Barnes come back either. They can sit in the stands.
I suppose a Qld XV would be:
1. Daley
2. Moore
3. Tom Court (Ulster, Ireland)
4. Horwill
5. MMM
6. Elsom
7. Pocock
8. Chapman
9. Genia
10. Cooper
11. Hynes
12. O’Connor
13. Digby
14. Cummins/Nadolo
15. Latham
16. Hardman
17. Holmes
18. Heenan
19. Mowen
20. Kingi
21. Toomua
22. Morahan
stillmissit said | February 19th 2010 @ 10:34am | Report comment
I think that several of your team would be classed as traitors in QLD but lets put that to one side. Barnes would have to start in a Maroons team.
Anybody got any ideas about a NSW team?
Keir Anderson said | February 19th 2010 @ 3:11pm | Report comment
Correct me if I’m wrong but Latham was born and bred in Narrabri, NSW before coming down and playing for Randwick for about 4/5 years before moving to Qld because he was stuck behind Matt Burke.
Banger said | February 19th 2010 @ 7:25pm | Report comment
would have to have richard brown at no.8 and a spot for Chisolm on the bench as well. Paul warwick is also still doing a great job for Munster, and would have been capped by Ireland years ago if hadn’t played sevens for Aus.
Is Daley a QLD’er all i know about him is that his dad played origin for NSW.
LT80 said | February 19th 2010 @ 9:05am | Report comment
Great idea – a genuine Qld V NSW match would be sensational.
JimmyJam said | February 19th 2010 @ 10:34am | Report comment
Depends on what your definition is of a queenslander? Born there? Raised there, played senior games there?
These days it seems to be “if we want you and you can play, your a queenslander!!” Kind of like the Qld SOO philosophy…. ie Inglis, Falaou etc.)
Look at your squad….
Latham got picked up by Qld as he was blocked by M burke from play FB for NSW.
Digby, poached from Melbourne(via Aust Schoolboys) and did one year of HS there.
Pocock, 3 yrs of school at Qld then off to the force, he’s lived in WA longer than he was in Qld!
Kingi, O’Conner, Cooper all from NZ and only been in Qld a few years.
Mowen… how is he any different from Barnes, but you’re happy to pick him in your squad?
Currently 25% of the current Qld S14 squad is from NSW!!! As they say, those in glass houses….
stillmissit said | February 19th 2010 @ 10:38am | Report comment
Good point Jimmy what would you suggest? Born there or went to school there. I think playing in one state and then playing senior rugby in another state is not a definition I feel too comfortable with.
My preferred is ‘raised there’ of the options you have put up.
formeropenside said | February 19th 2010 @ 11:09am | Report comment
I used schoolboy rugby as my test, but I will admit Latham is a error on that category. He is a real Queenslander though, despite his unfortunate birth.
If you cant see the difference between Barnes and Mowen on a moment’s glance, then nothing I can say will enlighten you.
JimmyJam said | February 19th 2010 @ 10:48am | Report comment
IMO grew up and learnt your rugby there would work for me, and if you had to put a date on it, minimum of high school years spent there. (Though that may only be a couple of years for a lot of Qlanders!!!!! Joke!!!!)
Brett McKay said | February 19th 2010 @ 11:15am | Report comment
Stillmissit, there’s always going to be calls for the revival of the old State of the Union games, and that’s fine, but what about x number of years down the track when there are genuine ACT, Vic, and WA players at the top level (Vanderglas, Lealiifano, and Haylett-Petty, instantly come to mind)? Who do they play for?
Could you draw a line from Esperence to Tweed Heads and play it as a North v South thing as a once a year game instead??
stillmissit said | February 22nd 2010 @ 8:55am | Report comment
Brett I am sure that it could evolve to that but would love to see who could make it for the North excluding Qld of course.
rugbyfuture said | February 19th 2010 @ 12:01pm | Report comment
only happen if the third tier comp was established, super rugby transferred over to a southern H-cup, and then would be an opportunity for a rugby state of origin.
stillmissit said | February 22nd 2010 @ 8:56am | Report comment
RF – are you saying there is no room in the calendar for one game of passion and with major support in the calendar?
JimmyJam said | February 19th 2010 @ 12:03pm | Report comment
“If you cant see the difference between Barnes and Mowen on a moment’s glance, then nothing I can say will enlighten you.”
Gimme a break!!! Mate, the only difference between these two blokes is that you wanted to keep one and didn’t care about the other bloke! They’re both born and bred Qlders.
And when Barnes hoofed it the average qld rugby fan spat it big time.
Where were the tears when Mowen left? You guys are pretty quick to poach from NSW when the opportunity arises. Latham hadn’t even been to Qld on holidays until he was 21 and couldn’t make the NSW starting team, and now he’s a true Qlder!! What a load of tripe!
Here’s a few more great Qlders for you….. all born and bred from anywhere but Qld.
Recent:
Chris Latham (NSW)
Micheal Foley (NSW)
Sam Cordingley (NSW)
Clinton Schifcovski (ACT)
Current:
Ewen McKenzie (NSW) (coach)
Dan Braid (NZ)
Ezra Taylor (NZ)
Dayna Edwards (NZ-NSW)
A Faingaa (ACT)
S Faingaa (ACT)
Leroy Houston ( NZ NSW)
Van Humphries (NSW)
Adam Byrnes (NSW)
Digby Ioane (VIC)
Jack Kennedy (ACT)
Lei Tomiki (NSW)
Laurie Weeks (NSW)
Morgan Turinui (NSW)
Fair dinkum, you might as well be supporting the tahs as well!!
formeropenside said | February 19th 2010 @ 2:56pm | Report comment
Ewen McKenzie (NSW) (coach) – because the ARU prevented the QRU from hiring Connolly for Foley in 2011
Dan Braid (NZ) – Is it NZ or NSW you are talking about? I’m confused. He’s a marquee import.
Ezra Taylor (NZ) – Brisbane born, like Sekope Kepu is Sydney born. Did you have a point here?
Dayna Edwards (NZ-NSW) – Another New Zealander who spent one season in Sydney.
A Faingaa (ACT) –
S Faingaa (ACT) – Not New South Welshmen are they? Also, I would not have hired them at the time and have seen nothing to make me change my mind.
Leroy Houston ( NZ NSW) – Blame Eddie Jones.
Van Humphries (NSW) – Moree is about 20km over the border, and he learned his rugby in Brisbane.
Adam Byrnes (NSW) – Likes punching New South Welshmen. How could Qld not offer him a contract?
Digby Ioane (VIC) – Learned his rugby at Nudgee.
Jack Kennedy (ACT) – Yep, our 4th string THP was a key acquisition.
Lei Tomiki (NSW) – I didn’t like this either.
Laurie Weeks (NSW) – The Tahs gave Tilse a 4 year contract.
Morgan Turinui (NSW) – I thought this was a mistake at the time. Still do. Nice enough guy, and I suppose after the Farce pinched a bunch of players and academy players – and still are – we had to look elsewhere to fill gaps.
Still, you will notice that none of those players were “poached” from anywhere else: its not like we took a NSW captain from the Tahs to fix a 25-year hole in a key position.
You did make my point about Mowen, and he would be welcome back – one youthful error can be forgiven.
Keir Anderson said | February 19th 2010 @ 3:20pm | Report comment
I’d take Turinui over the turnstyle that is Kurtley Beale.
Axel said | February 19th 2010 @ 4:36pm | Report comment
Mackenzie is from Victoria. NSW poached him years ago
Banger said | February 19th 2010 @ 7:16pm | Report comment
Schifcofske was born and raised in QLD mate
Chris said | February 19th 2010 @ 12:44pm | Report comment
You don’t think the ACT would have enough home grown players for a team?
It would certainly have more than Vic/WA. People forget the last time an all ACT side played NSW – they won, scoring 40 points in the process.
It’s a professional sport now. Players are going to move. You might not like sponsors but they pay the bills (and if you think 15 years after professionalism that players would go back to playing for nothing you are sorely mistaken – the Japanese comp, France, England, Ireland and the NRL would have them all signed within minutes).
The sooner NSW an Queensland abandon this silly notion they represent their states the better. North Sydney Waratahs and Brisbane Reds. The Red’s game in Townsville a couple of years ago got a simply pathetic crowd and try finding a person south of Wollongong who supports the “Tahs”.
The sooner rugby stops trying to replicate State of Origin and moves on the better. Origin is something we will never be able to copy. How about we focus on actually getting a second professional team into Sydney first! Sydney is too big to be a one team town. Even Soccer and the AFL are getting 2 pro teams in Sydney and we had a 130 year head start!
stillmissit said | February 22nd 2010 @ 9:04am | Report comment
Chris – would love to see ACT produce a team of home grown talent. I have a mate who played in the ACT for years and at Christmas when we caught up he still didnt think there was enough local talent to make a competitive team?
Give me names.
BTW rugby is not trying to replicate SOO, never heard it mentioned by the ARU. I am interested in a professional match between Qld’s best and our best. If the ACT has a competitive team then by all means bring it on.
If you ever came out West in Sydney you would know why there is not room or money for a second Sydney team at this time. Get real mate.
sheek said | February 19th 2010 @ 6:14pm | Report comment
Stillmissit,
Those who advocate South Australia as the missing link in Australian rugby’s expansion need not worry – The Qld Reds are the new South Australian provincial team, in their bright scarlet uniform!!!
When SA is admitted to the S36 (?!?!), the Reds will move to Adelaide, freeing Queensland to return to a team wearing Maroon!!! Whenever that will be….. (with collars)…..
On a more serious note, expansion is always associated with growth pains. The long-term future well-being of Australian rugby must be accompanied by short-term pain. However, if the ARU is serious about admitting the Rebels, they might facilitate their entry a little more helpfully than is currently the case.
All 4 current provinces must give a bit in order to make Victoria competitive. However, we want to avoid the wanton destruction that occurred especially to Queensland in 2005-06 when the WA Force entered the S14. The pain for admitting Victoria must be shared more or less equally.
Next year promises to be a great year for Australian rugby, providing the Rebels are given a fair deal. We will be able to witness 20 games in Australia between the 5 provinces, all playing each other twice, once at home & once away.
I am a tough critic of the ARU & Australian rugby, & will continue to be so, but there are some promising signs ahead. I can’t wait for 2011, S15 super rugby with the World Cup at the end of the year……….