AFL takes big strides into Western Sydney
By Ben Somerford, 19 Feb 2010 Ben Somerford is a Roar Expert
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When Sydney and Carlton meet in Saturday’s NAB Cup match the AFL will take a significant stride in it’s push into west Sydney with the first ever elite-level match at the GWS headquarters in Blacktown. And with the match already sold out, it could be quite the debut.
On the official Team GWS website yesterday it was revealed the game had ‘SOLD OUT’ despite not involving the new franchise, so there’s no doubt this fixture is all about making inroads into western Sydney in anticipation of their entrance into the AFL in 2012.
The AFL will be delighted with the response to Saturday’s game, although it should be noted the Blacktown Olympic Park only has a capacity of around 10,000.
Nevertheless, it is a response which will ensure other codes in the region take some serious notice of the AFL’s expansion into western Sydney.
And curiously the Swans-Blues NAB Cup clash has been scheduled on the same night as the NRL’s pre-season ‘Battle of the West’ between western Sydney-based pair Penrith Panthers and Parramatta Eels.
NRL Chief Executive David Gallop recently laughed the scheduling clash off as a coincidence, despite the NRL having set their date a long time before the AFL.
And a Team GWS spokesperson echoed Gallop’s sentiment in the local Blacktown Advocate last week.
Still, the clash in schedules means the ‘war of the codes’ could begin this Saturday night. So the NAB Cup sell-out will certainly enthuse the AFL.
But Geelong two-time premiership-winning coach Mark Thompson believes a battle of the codes isn’t necessary.
Thompson and the Cats spent three days in Holroyd and Parramatta last week, and the Geelong mentor told the Parramatta Advertiser there’s room for all.
“I don’t think we have to compete against rugby league,’’ he said.
“We have the Melbourne Storm, and they’re a great football team. They are my team and I support them even though they are in a different code.
“This is the biggest city in Australia and I see no reason why two AFL sides can’t survive with everything else.”
But Thompson’s view is typical of an AFL perspective, while NRL fans may feel Aussie Rules is intruding on their turf.
Whichever way you are inclined, the proof will be in the pudding, and Saturday’s NAB Cup sell-out at Blacktown appears to be a good starting-point for the AFL.
That response certainly exceeded my modest expectations of the region’s interest in AFL footy at this point, although the involvement of the Swans will have had an effect too.
Still, that latter point shouldn’t be overemphasised as this is only a pre-season game where large, parochial support is rarely forthcoming and the Swans are hardly a hot ticket right now, as they are in a re-building phase and haven’t won a NAB Cup game for years.
And if you look back to the 2004 Wizard Home Loans Cup, Sydney (in the year before they won the AFL premiership) played Carlton out at Homebush Bay at the-then-titled Telstra Stadium in front of just over 6,000 fans. This latest figure is certainly an improvement which symbolises progress in the region.
It was also revealed this week the Swans will definitely play another pre-season game at Blacktown on March 6 and possibly another there next weekend should they lose on Saturday. The success of these games will be monitored.
But it is, of course, early days with the Team GWS franchise entering the AFL in 2012, so we shouldn’t get too carried away especially considering these are pre-season matches.
Nevertheless, the pre-season offers the AFL a good insight into how much existing support there is for Aussie Rules in the region and this is their first real chance to gauge that out at Blacktown.
Obviously, the AFL need to generate and stimulate interest in Aussie Rules footy in the region prior to Team GWS’s entrance into the competition and Kevin Sheedy’s appointment as coach has a lot to do with just that.
But I’m sure the AFL will feel it is nice to know what they’re working with and I dare say a lot of those who pre-purchased for this Saturday already have an interest in AFL footy. Most won’t need to be converted.
Indeed, more than anything, Saturday’s sell-out is a strong and encouraging message for the AFL as they strive to make inroads into western Sydney. But there’s still plenty of work to be done.
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February 19th 2010 @ 9:33am
Michael C said | February 19th 2010 @ 9:33am | Report comment
I’d've thought at the moment – - it’s not so much a ‘success’ (getting 10K pre-sold for the match) as, it’s NOT a ‘failure’, and I presume a failure would be sub 5000.
although in Clive Palmer world, a 5000 cap was deemed a workable model?!?!?
btw – finally, the cricketers of GWS will get the game designed to keep them fit over winter.
February 19th 2010 @ 9:39am
Rod said | February 19th 2010 @ 9:39am | Report comment
Today show MC
February 19th 2010 @ 10:19am
bever fever said | February 19th 2010 @ 10:19am | Report comment
Al said
The AFL is one of this country’s most despicable organisations.
Really Al, jihad anyone.
February 19th 2010 @ 2:34pm
Al said | February 19th 2010 @ 2:34pm | Report comment
Most Aussie Rules supporters can’t stand the AFL administration themselves.
February 19th 2010 @ 3:09pm
Michael C said | February 19th 2010 @ 3:09pm | Report comment
Al -
whilst this is true – - often the dislike is based on ignorance in not realising that compared to the alternatives – such as IOC, FIFA, FFA, NRL, ICC, CA etc etc…….that the AFL isn’t actually all that bad. And, at very least – - it’s totally responsible to Australian interests and is very often reasonably responsive TO Australian interests.
So, despicable is way, way harsh.
February 19th 2010 @ 3:14pm
Punter said | February 19th 2010 @ 3:14pm | Report comment
What about the UN, NBC, NBL, NFL, NAB, UCA or the USA!!!!
February 19th 2010 @ 4:38pm
Al said | February 19th 2010 @ 4:38pm | Report comment
You put the FFA and NRL up there with the IOC, ICC and FIFA? Tell me, how is the AFL a more wholesome organisation than the NRL of FFA (ie: How is the AFL “not that bad” in comparison)? The AFL have done everything from changing many of the fundamental rules of the sport (to the chagrin of many AFL followers) to trying to kill off other codes of football in this country with shady television rights deals and an a continuing, unadulterated hate campaign against said other codes driven by the sports media which they control. When have the NRL or the FFA done anything as remotely sinister?
February 19th 2010 @ 10:24am
bever fever said | February 19th 2010 @ 10:24am | Report comment
What will be interesting is to see if the AFL NSW has made some increases into player participation at junior level.
The key will be forming junior clubs close together to enable kids to join without to much travel for both kids and parents.
Some rego days have been held and the fixtures wont be out for a while but this would be a good barometer of increasing interest.
February 19th 2010 @ 10:31am
Punter said | February 19th 2010 @ 10:31am | Report comment
I can confirm to you that I have seen quite a few adds to registar to play AFL around the Nothern Beaches in the last few weeks.
February 19th 2010 @ 10:40am
bever fever said | February 19th 2010 @ 10:40am | Report comment
No i mean in Sydneys west, that is the weakest point in Sydney as far as junior participation goes, Sydneycity/north would by far be its strongest area for juniors.
February 19th 2010 @ 10:34am
JP said | February 19th 2010 @ 10:34am | Report comment
“That response certainly exceeded my modest expectations of the region’s interest in AFL footy at this point, although the involvement of the Swans will have had an effect too.”
This quote sums it up for me. Its a Swans game not a GWS game. The 10k in attendance (minus around 2k corporate seating no doubt paid for by the AFL to attract local business people) will be the majority swans supporters. Its is not a good guide for interest in AFL in the GWS reigion. I am a rugby league supporter, however I plan on going to a match at blacktown when the next game is held just to see what the fuss is all about. I suspect over the next couple of years a lot of people in the GWS area will be doing the same, its wether they (people like me) stick around in the long term that the AFL should be worried about. Unless I get blown out of my seat with an action packed game Im doubt very much I will come back for seconds. The AFL has been in western sydney for decades, and yet they have not managed to make a decent impact in the sporting landscape in that time. I doubt now with all the effort and big spending by the AFL will change peoples minds.
February 19th 2010 @ 10:49am
Simmo said | February 19th 2010 @ 10:49am | Report comment
I think the AFL fans can be found in this thread… the other GWS team has released an early indicator of it’s strip. Get your pitchforks ready.
http://au.fourfourtwo.com/news/122883,sydney-rovers-the-kits.aspx
February 19th 2010 @ 11:01am
Dogz R Barkn said | February 19th 2010 @ 11:01am | Report comment
Wow – there are some interesting comments!
I doubt most Sydney siders would actually think of St Kilda upon seeing the colours and emblem, and the thought never occurred to me to be honest, but now that you mention it….
I accept what someone said that it sort of looks like it’s been knocked up on the cheap.
On the other hand – it’s quite different to most A-League strips – so I don’t mind it.
What gets me is the amount of posters who say the Rovers should pinch the playing strip of AC Milan or Sao Paolo – very strange comments indeed.
February 19th 2010 @ 11:27am
Simmo said | February 19th 2010 @ 11:27am | Report comment
Definitely not Milan. Or a plain red shirt. Half-committed fans will wear Man Utd or Liverpool shirts to games instead of Rovers’. When selling your own identity you don’t want your customers buying someone else’s instead.
February 19th 2010 @ 11:19am
bever fever said | February 19th 2010 @ 11:19am | Report comment
Surely this a bad joke, the rovers have millions of strips they could use, but they blatantly chose to take St Kilda’s one, how embarrasing for soccer.
There is litereally millions of designs avaailable.
February 19th 2010 @ 11:33am
AndyRoo said | February 19th 2010 @ 11:33am | Report comment
St Kilda with sleeves…not impressed.
Not something I would wear out and about. I think I bagged Redb and Dogz on the previous Rovers thread about the badge where I claimed their nothing like the Saints. My claim just got blown out of the water.
My profile pic was some amateur bloke mucking around on a computer……. and it looks far better than the real thing.
Can only hope it’s just a feeler and they take the response on board, perhaps prooving they really are “listening” to fans when they change it.
February 19th 2010 @ 11:36am
bever fever said | February 19th 2010 @ 11:36am | Report comment
You are never going to get 100% concensus on any design, but seriously how can they use this one, its a blatant rip off, they really should HAGLHLAT.
Swift uppercut as well.
February 20th 2010 @ 8:18pm
Fly on the Wall said | February 20th 2010 @ 8:18pm | Report comment
I would have thought an appropriate logo for a new GWS club of any code would be a big pair of fuzzy dice and a rat’s tail or mullet insignia
February 19th 2010 @ 11:55am
Simmo said | February 19th 2010 @ 11:55am | Report comment
Not being cynical or anything but I smell a publicity stunt. If it works then we’ll see an article in the Hun or the Age lashing out at these colours. The article can be syndicated back into the Sydney sister paper for some of the cheapest publicity possible. Then a couple of months down the track they can “re-think” the design and get some more publcity when they “back down” and unveil the design they’ve wanted all along.
Guerilla marketing.
At least that’s what I hope is happening. Otherwise it’s an embarassingly unoriginal design.
February 19th 2010 @ 5:58pm
bever fever said | February 19th 2010 @ 5:58pm | Report comment
Well its possible i suppose, but IMO its going to be pretty hard to explain the “mistake” in a positive light.
February 19th 2010 @ 11:54am
rugbyfuture said | February 19th 2010 @ 11:54am | Report comment
Just to point out that sydney is apparently such a huge place, so of course theres going to be a presence by every football code at the grassroots. AFL has been around for a bunch in sydney, and there are heaps of my mates (private school boys) who are playing afl and have even had afl scholarships to uni. There are also many Victorians who live in sydney etc, so it makes sense.
Its not really a big stride, its just harnessing whats already there.
February 19th 2010 @ 12:56pm
Michael C said | February 19th 2010 @ 12:56pm | Report comment
woohoo, Tora Bright won a gold……go girl!!!
February 19th 2010 @ 1:10pm
Dogz R Barkn said | February 19th 2010 @ 1:10pm | Report comment
Damn – does that mean we all have to pretend that we actually care about the Winter Olympics??
February 19th 2010 @ 1:10pm
BigAl said | February 19th 2010 @ 1:10pm | Report comment
woohoo indeed !
doing what ? – is it self funded…
February 19th 2010 @ 1:18pm
Art Sapphire said | February 19th 2010 @ 1:18pm | Report comment
Congatulations Michael for being so excited about Tora’s win
February 19th 2010 @ 1:48pm
Michael C said | February 19th 2010 @ 1:48pm | Report comment
apparently there’s a snow bunny sport called ‘half pipe’,
no idea what it is, looks like or involves,
and for a mormon living in Salt Lake City and already worth over a $1 million …… I’m really not sure how much I can care about her ‘Australianess’,
but, that said – how is that different to caring or not about Harry Kewell???
February 19th 2010 @ 1:58pm
AndyRoo said | February 19th 2010 @ 1:58pm | Report comment
Harry Kewell played junior football for Smithfield and went to Westifeld Sports high. Smithfield weren’t in my zone but we had to play (as in get thrashed by) Westfield Sports school on occassions.
His parent’s still live in Smithfield and he was in OZ 3 weeks ago.
He represents Australia in international competition and is a genuine world sporting star who was born and bred in our backyard. Is that not enough for us to be proud of him?
February 19th 2010 @ 2:19pm
BigAl said | February 19th 2010 @ 2:19pm | Report comment
. . . and our silver medallist ( & prev. games gold winner) is actually Canadian – and he’s also worth MILLIONS !
Money well spent Mr Coates
February 19th 2010 @ 2:51pm
Punter said | February 19th 2010 @ 2:51pm | Report comment
Funny how the fans of sports where there is little int’l flavour cannot marvel at an Australian doing well in an int’l sport.
Well done Tora, I jumped with excitment when you won.
February 19th 2010 @ 2:55pm
Punter said | February 19th 2010 @ 2:55pm | Report comment
Sydney fans gets excited about an some Irish guyn leaving after winning the championship in Gaelic football to play for the Swans.
So what is your point BigAl.
February 19th 2010 @ 4:20pm
BigAl said | February 19th 2010 @ 4:20pm | Report comment
My point being John Coates of the AOC harping for increased public funding for elite Olympic sports.
To my mind just about ALL Australians participating in Winter Olympic sports would have to be considered elites with pretty much zero grass roots participation rates waranting public funding.
The only time I’d change my mind about the Winter Olympics is if they introduced Ice cream eating – Australia consistently ranks in the top 2 or 3 in the worldin this and enjoys great grass root participation.
February 20th 2010 @ 7:45am
Punter said | February 20th 2010 @ 7:45am | Report comment
You don’t get down to the snow much do you BigAl? You can see the grassroots from all the skiiers skiing on the snow.
February 19th 2010 @ 2:35pm
Al said | February 19th 2010 @ 2:35pm | Report comment
Finally an Aussie gold medalist that is a stunner, unlike those swimmers who are built bigger than most men.
February 19th 2010 @ 4:18pm
Robbo said | February 19th 2010 @ 4:18pm | Report comment
Not one to be politcally correct Al? Even so – its true!
February 19th 2010 @ 1:09pm
Dogz R Barkn said | February 19th 2010 @ 1:09pm | Report comment
I’ll tell you what’s even bigger news than this pre-season game getting sold out – this thread copping more than 100 posts!!
February 19th 2010 @ 1:29pm
Art Sapphire said | February 19th 2010 @ 1:29pm | Report comment
Dogz – its Friday and my work ethic is pretty low at the moment.
February 19th 2010 @ 1:42pm
AndyRoo said | February 19th 2010 @ 1:42pm | Report comment
Not news at all
There are a few guaranteed topics to get 100 posts, I could put up an article with just a picture of a puppy but as long as I had the following headings I would give 100 posts a good shake.
“Football is taking over Australia”
“AFL is our national game”
“Rugby League and Rugby union should merge” then 1 day and 200 posts later I would back up with
“having two Rugby’s doesn’t make sense”
“AFL is gaining in the Cook Islands”
“It’s called Sokkah”
“West Sydney, one hell of a town”
“FIFA World Cup will inconvenience black stump under 6 Cricket Comp”
“Latest Sheedy article is spot on”
“How come only NRL players are naughty boys”
February 19th 2010 @ 2:11pm
AGO74 said | February 19th 2010 @ 2:11pm | Report comment
Great call AndyRoo!
February 19th 2010 @ 3:54pm
Dogz R Barkn said | February 19th 2010 @ 3:54pm | Report comment
ah – I’m starting to see what you mean!
Just re-checked the title of the thread – yep: AFL makes big strides in Western Sydney – fits the bill.
Now if if they had called it: Sydney to play Carlton this weekend in the NAB Cup – my guess is that you have had about 3 posts!!
February 19th 2010 @ 1:34pm
hazza said | February 19th 2010 @ 1:34pm | Report comment
The swans have been around for 30 years yet AFL is still the no. 4 code in terms of popularity. GWS will hardly change the sporting landscape in the future.
February 19th 2010 @ 1:46pm
Mr Real Australian it's called Football Man formerly known as Kurt said | February 19th 2010 @ 1:46pm | Report comment
Yeah, those Waratahs and Sydney SC crowds really blow the Swans attendances out of the water…
February 19th 2010 @ 2:25pm
AGO74 said | February 19th 2010 @ 2:25pm | Report comment
Mr whatever your name is:
Apples with Oranges mate. Who is the main AFL driver in Sydney at the moment? The Swans. For Sydney FC and Waratahs, yes they don’t draw the crowds of Swans (BTW – who can forget that 16,000 mega-crowd in the semi the other year?) the Tah’s/Sydney FC ain’t the main vehicle for their respective codes in Sydney – i.e. Wallabies and Socceroos. By the way, when will you AFL goons realise that sure Sydney Swans have decent crowds but in terms of what drives the real $$$$ and what has real impact (i.e. TV ratings) even with all the success the Swans had in recent years that they currently rate in NSW at just above zero. And as for the Swans, sadly for them (and I do feel for them as they are the forgotten team in all this with all their work on and off the field) they along with the vast majority of other AFL teams will continue to compet for the next 5 years in a competition that the AFL has systematically rigged for the benefit of 2 new teams. ACCC anyone??!!
February 19th 2010 @ 10:44pm
Mr Real Australian it's called Football Man formerly known as Kurt said | February 19th 2010 @ 10:44pm | Report comment
Yeah, AFL TV rights deals are terrible too when compared with RU and soccer – good point.
February 19th 2010 @ 2:47pm
Punter said | February 19th 2010 @ 2:47pm | Report comment
Lots of southerners living in Sydney.
February 19th 2010 @ 2:51pm
Mr Real Australian it's called Football Man formerly known as Kurt said | February 19th 2010 @ 2:51pm | Report comment
Yep, that’s why GWS is less of a gamble than some people seem to think.
February 19th 2010 @ 2:59pm
Punter said | February 19th 2010 @ 2:59pm | Report comment
Very true. Most of those going to the Swans matches will also go to the GWS matches to get their AFL fixes.
I can see my work colleague, who follows Collingwood, cheering as he can now see his beloved Collingwood more now.
February 19th 2010 @ 2:37pm
Al said | February 19th 2010 @ 2:37pm | Report comment
There’s a team called Sydney SC now?
February 19th 2010 @ 2:53pm
Mr Real Australian it's called Football Man formerly known as Kurt said | February 19th 2010 @ 2:53pm | Report comment
I think they played Melbourne Draw SC on the weekend or something.
February 19th 2010 @ 3:04pm
Al said | February 19th 2010 @ 3:04pm | Report comment
Really? Never heard of either of them.
February 19th 2010 @ 3:24pm
Mr Real Australian it's called Football Man formerly known as Kurt said | February 19th 2010 @ 3:24pm | Report comment
I think they play in something called the A-league. Very small niche competition primarily supported by expat Brits. They probably have a website, try googling it.
February 19th 2010 @ 3:34pm
Al said | February 19th 2010 @ 3:34pm | Report comment
Only expat Brits? You sure other “unAustralians” such as the Greeks, Italians, Serbs, Croats etc. have no interest in this A-League? Not everyone is Aussie (ie: bogan) enough to support the mainstream code in Melbourne afterall.
February 19th 2010 @ 5:52pm
bever fever said | February 19th 2010 @ 5:52pm | Report comment
I would agree with that Kurt, in Perth the soccer scene is run well and truly by expat Brits.
February 20th 2010 @ 2:03pm
Al said | February 20th 2010 @ 2:03pm | Report comment
Perth doesn’t encompass the whole of Australia.