The curious case of Rebels fullback Danny Cipriani
By Spiro Zavos, 24 Feb 2010 Spiro Zavos is a Roar Expert
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The rugby media around the world have had several days now to digest the news that Danny Cipriani will be one of the star signings for the Melbourne Rebels in their first year in the 2011 Super 15 tournament. But in that time, they have failed to see the real news behind the signing.
To give the revelation of the real news of the Cipriani signing a context, we need to go back to a Sherlock Holmes story which involved a dog that did not bark during the night.
When Dr Watson asked Holmes what was curious about a dog not barking in the night, the great detective replied along these lines: “Dogs always bark during the night when something is happening.”
The signing of Cipriani had been foreshadowed for some weeks before it actually happened. It was no surprise when the announcement was made. But the dog not barking in the night factor was revealed towards the end of a long statement put out by the Melbourne Rebels CEO Brian Waldron announcing the signing.
“Rod Macqueen and his Rebels coaching staff,” the statement noted, “are intending to play Cipriani at fullback, the position he currently fills at London Wasps.”
This is the real news on the signing.
I think most experts expected that Cipriani would play first five-eighths for the new franchise. The acknowledgment that this won’t be his starting position opens up the intriguing question: Have the Rebels signed up, or virtually signed up, another star player for the crucial five-eighths position?
You would have to think that the franchise has.
Why would they be so adamant that Cipriani, a Test five-eighths, won’t be playing in the position that most experts think is his best if the real five-eighths hasn’t been put into place?
The Rebels have encouraged the ARU to move forward the date the franchise can officially sign up players from rival Australian teams to March 15. They can still announce overseas players before then. The fact that the franchise has not suggests that the five-eighths will be someone now playing in Australia.
Presumably, we can discard Johnathan Thurston, after the ARU (correctly in my opinion) refused to encourage such a signing. Rebels CEO Waldron told reporters: “Any interest in Johnathan Thurston would mean a top-up from the ARU and, from my understanding, the ARU has no interest in Johnathan at all.”
The other possibility is Berrick Barnes.
He has a one-year contract with the NSW Waratahs. He is the type of player (disciplined, steady and smart) that Macqueen likes. He would fit into the culture of making “a positive contribution to the Melbourne community and the rugby game” that the Rebels are trying to create.
High ranking rugby officials have told me that Barnes is a future Wallaby captain. He was made a vice-captain last year, much to the consternation of Matt Giteau. So he must be the favourite for the first-five eighths leadership role with the Rebels.
There is one other possibility (slightly left field, I know) I’d throw in, however. Sterling Mortlock is known to be on the Rebels wish list, along with Rocky Elsom (the Rebels equivalent of the ACT Brumbies Owen Finegan?) and Mark Gasnier.
Could Mortlock be the first five-eighth Macqueen is looking for?
Macqueen has coached Mortlock for the Brumbies and the Wallabies and clearly has a great regard for his leadership talents. Mortlock has played all his rugby as a winger and in the centres, admittedly.
But as he is slowing down in terms of speed, his passing skills seem to have developed quite markedly. His defence, too, in the crucial number one channel off the ruck and maul would be invaluable for a new team.
There is a precedent for the conversion.
Stephen Larkham played halfback, outside centre and fullback before Macqueen converted him into a five-eighths.
Mortlock, I’m sure, could make this transition. And if he doesn’t, the Rebels could always move Cipriani up and Mortlock back to the centres.
So the curious case of fullback Danny Cipriani might have thrown up the possible solution in Stirling Mortlock, the first five-eighths.
Whether we can say “elementary my dear Roarers,” though, will have to wait until March 15.
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Wavell Wakefield said | February 24th 2010 @ 3:22am | Report comment
Regarding Cipriani, I was under the impression that he finalised contact with Rod McQ and managed to convince him that he wanted to play. Is that correct? The implications are quite intriguing, that Cipriani is willing to play 15. To be honest it probably makes sense in his first season. Also, I was quite interested to read that the Rebels had asked Nick Abendanon to play for them.
Kenny said | February 24th 2010 @ 5:29am | Report comment
Yeah! Mortlock at 10. While you’re at it let’s try Al Baxter on the wing, Adam Ashley-Cooper at hooker and switch Benn Robinson to the second row.
Stupid.
Bob said | February 25th 2010 @ 9:14am | Report comment
haha – been smokin the reefa again Spiro??
Lee said | February 24th 2010 @ 5:45am | Report comment
What about Juan Martin Hernandez at 10…he was signed to the Sharks until injury ruled him out. Argentina will be joining the Tri Nations soon, so more Argy players should be looking this direction, and he would easily eclipse Cipriani in the pecking order for 10 at any team.
Red Rooster said | February 24th 2010 @ 9:36am | Report comment
He has signed for Racing Club in Paris
Lee said | February 24th 2010 @ 9:47am | Report comment
Thanks for that…didn’t know that – it’s a pity. Hopefully not for too long…we need more argy’s in the comp.
jus de couchon said | February 24th 2010 @ 5:54am | Report comment
Juan M H is the best Fly half in the World. Easy.
Lee said | February 24th 2010 @ 6:11am | Report comment
Now you have done it…
JohnB said | February 24th 2010 @ 9:32am | Report comment
According to Stephen Jones anyway (with Cipriani a close second).
Lee said | February 24th 2010 @ 9:51am | Report comment
There’s your first mistake…Dan Carter, Hernandez, Morne Steyn, Matt Giteau.
Steyn could take over Hernandez this year, as he seems to have added a bit more running to his game this season whilst keeping his superb kicking up.
All up though, the Tri Nations might mean some great 1st Five battles when Argentina joins.
Wavell Wakefield said | February 24th 2010 @ 8:47pm | Report comment
I don’t think Stephen Jones actually watched Hernandez play more than 40 minutes of 10 at fly half, John.
Viscount Crouchback said | February 24th 2010 @ 5:56am | Report comment
Lawrence Dallaglio, who knows Cipriani better than most, believes that he’s more of a 15 than a 10. It’s also worth noting that in the first half of his breakthrough season (2007-8), he played at 15 and only moved up to 10 halfway through the season. The Rebels might try something similar.
Personally, however, I’d want a full-back who can tackle and who is consistently safe under the high ball.
Lee said | February 24th 2010 @ 6:10am | Report comment
Haven’t seen much of Cipriani Viscount – but is he lacking in the tackling and high ball department?
Sharminator said | February 24th 2010 @ 7:13am | Report comment
yeah .. i remember first seeing him at 15 when he first started … and he went pretty well
Sam Taulelei said | February 24th 2010 @ 6:31am | Report comment
What is it with Australian first fives? News that the Tahs have shifted Barnes into 12 and selected Halangahu at 10 instead makes you wonder if Barnes really is the heir apparent to Giteau at 10 for the Wallabies.
On recent form so far, Quade Cooper would be the form first five in Australia. Who would have believed that at the start of the season?
While not attracting the same headlines as Cipriani, the Rebels failure at signing former Crusaders assistant coach Mark Hammett to be involved with their coaching team is also a significant move by the fledgling franchise. Hammett is well respected and regarded as a coach and there was surprise that he missed out to Blackadder. Rod MacQueen is appealing to the NZRU to overturn their decision however I think the expressions of concern from Steve Tew to JON is also the first warning shot across the bow of the ARU.
TommyM said | February 24th 2010 @ 5:00pm | Report comment
“On recent form so far, Quade Cooper would be the form first five in Australia. Who would have believed that at the start of the season?”
Um… Probably anyone who watched Australia play at the end of last season?
katzilla said | February 25th 2010 @ 4:43am | Report comment
Well they’ve squashed that one Sam,
In fear of losing him they’ve decided to give him a head coach role with the Supercanes.
Sam Taulelei said | February 25th 2010 @ 5:57am | Report comment
Thanks Katz
Just read the press release. Glad for Hammett that he’s been given a head coaching role at Super 14 level and good news for the Hurricanes. Don’t understand why MacQueen is making such a public appeal over the NZRU blocking an early release from Hammett’s contract. As his employer, are they not entitled to protecting their staff from poaching? They’ve countered the Rebels offer and he’s accepted. Case closed. Common practice in any form of business. Don’t see myself how chasing Hammett was going to benefit local Australian coaches who would be champing at the bit to be involved with a Super 15 franchise but miss out on the opportunity.
Steve Tew in an interview with Newstalk NZ stated
“We just want to keep him, he’s one of ours and, frankly, the focus should really be on the lack of depth the Australians have got in their coaching ranks,” Tew told Newstalk ZB.
“It is the second time they have come looking across the Tasman to try and find a coach for one of their teams.
“I think it’s poor.”
Fair enough.
Justin said | February 24th 2010 @ 6:54am | Report comment
Spiro – sorry but are you trying to prove that you know FA about rugby? At the moment some suspect this but you are supplying more and more evidence to prove them correct!
Mortlock will NEVER play 5/8. Dear me…
Barnes has a lot to prove for mine as a 5/8. I dont think he is a 5/8 for the new law interpretations. He is much more suited to the old kicking dominated era of last year. He doesnt have the ability from what I have seen to ignite a backline. His play for the Tahs so far has been stodgy and lacking flair to say the least. He is excellent defensively but cn he orchestrate a 4 try bonus point for the Tahs like Cooper can for the Reds?
DingoBob said | February 24th 2010 @ 7:36am | Report comment
I think you are being a bit hard on Berrick. Yes he still has a bit to prove but his play for the Waratahs appears in line with the game plan set down by the coaching staff and I’m not sure even Dan Carter could inspire a 4 try effort using that game plan.
Justin said | February 24th 2010 @ 7:40am | Report comment
Perhaps I am being hard on him. It may be a case of trying reign in the “BB is god” type hysteria there was when he signed to NSW. Most supporters thought he was the be all and end all and IMO he is far from it.
Some of his play maybe down to the tactics provided and some average service from LB but there are still plenty of deficiencies in his attacking game that I have noted in other threads that are of his own making.
Sam said | February 24th 2010 @ 7:53am | Report comment
I’m pretty sure Mortlock has played 5/8 before.
Justin said | February 24th 2010 @ 9:33am | Report comment
Maybe in desperation but from my memory he has been a 13 or winger for probably 90% of his career. Even 12 has only been an option on the rarest of occasion.
Sam said | February 24th 2010 @ 9:57am | Report comment
I’m not saying very often! Yeah he has been centre/wing probably 95% of the time, but he has played 5/8 before thats all I’m saying.
Bruce Ross said | February 24th 2010 @ 7:20am | Report comment
I know that it is considered poor form on forums such as this to criticise people’s grammar or spelling. However given that Spiro is a very experienced journo, I find it intriguing that on all but one of the nine times he uses the word, Spiro misspells “five-eighth” as “five-eighths”.
Big night out, perhaps?
And was Zac hesitant about correcting the old man’s copy?
pothale said | February 24th 2010 @ 8:08am | Report comment
Bruce – have a read of this article from NZ Herald and note the spelling.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=10628156
Bruce Ross said | February 24th 2010 @ 8:36am | Report comment
I see, pothale, it’s a Kiwi thing. Looking further I notice an alternation between “five-eighth” and “five-eighths” in different articles in the NZ Herald.
Apologies to Spiro who IIRR came from New Zealand. Now if someone will just explain why the plural form is used.
Most peculiar people, Kiwis.
Ai Rui Sheng said | February 25th 2010 @ 9:06pm | Report comment
Five-eighths is correct. Check it out = 5/8. Lol. However the Kiwis have two 5/8. The Oz has none, and the Home Unions have never had anyone who could run and pass, except some Russian prince in 1928.
Lindommer said | February 24th 2010 @ 8:42am | Report comment
Bruce, if you check Spiro’s past entries you’ll note he ALWAYS spells the number 12′s position as “five-eighths”. It may be a New Zealand thing from his youth. At least he doesn’t use the European term of “flyhalf”, or “stand-off half” as the Scots and Irish do.
Bruce Ross said | February 24th 2010 @ 8:59am | Report comment
Thanks, Lindommer, I’ve learnt something new today. But isn’t it the 10 who would be the “five-eighths” and the 12 the “second-five”, meaning of course “second-five-eighths”?
JohnB said | February 24th 2010 @ 9:41am | Report comment
It’s because of their first- and second-five-eighths terminology that it is pluralised in Kiwi-land. And yes, the first is 10 and second 12.
I have distant memories that Mortlock started off (in Sydney club footy at least) as a fullback. Can’t see him at 10 myself, although he’s a good enough player to make a decent fist of anything.
OldManEmu said | February 26th 2010 @ 1:55am | Report comment
He did – played his first grade footy at 15 with Gordon, Joel Wilson who switched to Rugby League was at outside centre and Julian Huxley was at 5/8, all in the same team.
sheek said | February 24th 2010 @ 1:57pm | Report comment
The way I see it, using the Kiwi line of thinking, the number 10 being the ‘first-five’, is therefore the five-eighth.
The number 12, being the second-five, is therefore the five-eighths, since he is in excess (plural) to requirements.
There, I think I’ve solved it – thankyou & good night….. !!!
TembaVJ said | February 24th 2010 @ 7:28am | Report comment
Maybe the rebels have signed Dan Carter to play prop?
Tragic said | February 24th 2010 @ 7:36am | Report comment
said it once and i’ll say it again: Mortlock is the zoolander of international rugby – he can’t pass right. It is embarrassing watching supposedly star athletes failing at the most basic and elementary skills. Mortlock gets you over the advantage line and is handy with boot (off the tee). That’s it.
And the nsw five eighth position is cursed. A poisoned chalice. Barnes should thank his lucky stars if the rebels sign him early, because his net worth at the waratahs will continue to plummet.
Oh, and can someone remind Phil Waugh that he is supposed to be leading the waratahs on the paddock? His antics on the field against the Stormers were nothing short of juvenile. Fisticuffs, backchat, penalties, thinking he was 5/8, and at one point he even tried professionally foul their halfback feeding the ball into the scrum. Geez. We are in trouble…
NickF said | February 24th 2010 @ 1:09pm | Report comment
Tragic, I then suppose you would say that Berrick Barnes is an ambi-passer of the ball. But has he got his ‘Magnum’ going yet.
Tragic said | February 24th 2010 @ 5:33pm | Report comment
Nice one Nick. Although, having just joined the Waratahs, I wouldn’t even say he’s got his (wait for it) ‘blue steel’ going yet.