Brisbane, it’s time to show your true colours
By Tony Tannous, 2 Mar 2010 Tony Tannous is a Roar Expert
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The Australian Socceroos during a training session in Brisbane, Monday, Oct. 13, 2008, ahead of their World Cup qualifier match against Qatar on Wednesday. AAP Image/Dave Hunt
When Frank Lowy managed to convince Asia to accept Australia into the region more than four years ago, it promised to produce regular clutch matches, often. Tomorrow night’s Asian Cup qualifier against Indonesia, in Brisbane, is one of those moments.
With the Socceroos second on goal difference behind Kuwait, a point ahead of Oman, the Socceroos need a point against our bottom-placed neighbours in order to be assured of a place in Qatar next year.
A loss and we’re relying on Bader Al Mutwa and his Kuwaiti mates to do us a favour in Muscat a few hours later.
On the surface, against a team that can’t qualify, a result looks a given, but scratch beneath the surface and it’s no sure thing.
Indeed, in football, at this level, there are no such guarantees.
In Maman Abdurahman and Charis Yulianto, Indonesia have a very formidable central defensive pair, and in Bambang Pamungkas and Budi Sudarsono, they have enough quality to cause the odd threat at the other end.
We saw this in 2007, at the most recent continental showpiece.
Even in Jakarta, 13 months ago, the Socceroos struggled to grab a point as Indonesia sat deep and denied any opportunity for Archie Thompson and Danny Allsopp to get in behind.
Pim Verbeek famously described the strikers’ efforts that night as “absolutely hopeless”, but of course that drew some attention away from the efforts of Yulianto and Abdurahman.
Look closely at Indonesia’s results in this phase of qualifying and they have been far from a soft touch.
Three draws, two clean sheets, two loses by the odd goal and only five goals conceded from their fives games suggests Benny Dollo’s men will take a bit of beating.
Their manager has already been on the record saying a draw would be a decent enough result, and while Verbeek says the Socceroos are playing for a win, there’s little doubt he would sign for a draw right now.
That is especially so given that his starting 11 is likely to comprise a number of A-Leaguers, guys who have yet to set the world on fire at this level.
Couple that with the departure of father-to-be Alex Brosque yesterday and it appears the Socceroos lack a bit of a cutting edge in the front third.
Fortunately there are a few first team regulars on the scene, the likes of Jason Culina, Luke Wilkshire and Josh Kennedy, to add a sense of stability.
Let’s hope that doesn’t lead to complacency, from the manager, his players, the city of Brisbane, or the country.
Put it this way, if the unthinkable happens, and the Socceroos do lose, and Oman and Kuwait go through, the post-mortem will be long, painful and pointed, especially with Verbeek, Graham Arnold and Henk Duut unlikely to be the brains trust come Qatar (Arnold, we already know, won’t be there).
In that respect, and given, for once, some very reasonable ticket prices (the most expensive adult ticket is $50, the cheapest is $25, with a family able to attend for $65), nothing short of a 25,000 crowd should be considered satisfactory. Even with rain on the horizon.
While there is no Kewell, Neill, Cahill, Bresciano, Emerton or Schwarzer, there is still a valuable point to be had, so this match looms as a real litmus test for Brisbane and its surrounds.
This season’s A-League was meant to be all about the Sunshine State with the addition of two new teams and the Brisbane Roar meant to be challenging for honours, but for so many reasons it was an abject failure north of the Tweed.
Crowds, particularly in Brisbane and on the Gold Coast, were a big part of that failure.
Questions, in some quarters, have been raised about just how much the round ball game means to Brisbane, particularly when the superstars don’t come out to play.
A big crowd was on hand at Suncorp Stadium in 2006 for a fitting farewell to Zeljko Kalac, Tony Popovic, Tony Vidmar and Stan Lazaridis, and again for two World Cup qualifiers in the second half of 2008, but that was to witness mainly full strength Socceroos outfits.
Now, having not seen the green and gold’s for over 16 months, and with plenty at stake, it’s time for the city to show its true colours by getting behind the Roos and providing an appropriate atmosphere in this crucial clash.
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March 2nd 2010 @ 11:30am
Midfielder said | March 2nd 2010 @ 11:30am | Report comment
Rumours are Oar is starting…
March 2nd 2010 @ 11:46am
AndyRoo said | March 2nd 2010 @ 11:46am | Report comment
I hope it’s true as he is one of my favourite players to watch.
Rumored team from TWG
Galekoivc
Matt Thompson
John McKain
Simon Colosimo
Mark Milligan
Luke Wilkshire
Matt McKay
Oar
Cullina
Sterjovski
Kennedy
March 2nd 2010 @ 11:54am
Rob said | March 2nd 2010 @ 11:54am | Report comment
It’s a pretty good lineup the way it reads. Hopefully it stays like this. I think this team would challenge anyone in Asia except the full strength Koreas and Japan.
March 2nd 2010 @ 11:49am
Country Victoria said | March 2nd 2010 @ 11:49am | Report comment
Please
The Aussieroo’s not the Socceroo’s
March 2nd 2010 @ 12:28pm
Australian Football said | March 2nd 2010 @ 12:28pm | Report comment
Yeah I’m with you on that one.!
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AF
March 2nd 2010 @ 12:46pm
Australian Football said | March 2nd 2010 @ 12:46pm | Report comment
Just like to make an observation; the local players in the national team who played under the Frank Arok and Eddie Thompson regimes—-never feared the Indonesians—-so what has changed in the national team set up? I’m for one glad to see the end of Pim’s rein and the pending takeover of Han Berger as the tempory National Manager. I wouldn’t mind letting him take the reins for the WC in South Africa to be quite frank about it. In any case—I hope he sits on the bench for this one to put his 2 cents worth in.
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AF
March 2nd 2010 @ 1:28pm
Realfootball said | March 2nd 2010 @ 1:28pm | Report comment
I’m with you there, AF. For me, Verbeek is dour, defensive, inflexible, unimaginative and utterly lacking in a positive vision for the game. He is the worst kind of manager – the kind who always thinks in terms of not losing instead of winning. He has done nothing, absolutely nothing, positive for our domestic game.
Yes, I know he got us through qualifying undefeated. So would a more positive coach – but with some style. The proof for Verbeek as a coach will be in the eating – I would bet my house on the fact he will never coach at the top level in Europe.
This team under Hiddink would never play the way it plays under Verbeek.
March 2nd 2010 @ 2:16pm
Midfielder said | March 2nd 2010 @ 2:16pm | Report comment
Real, you know this how ???
March 2nd 2010 @ 2:45pm
Australian Football said | March 2nd 2010 @ 2:45pm | Report comment
“Real, you know this how ???”
We know this because Craig Foster said as much and I have to agree with him. Pim has not changed the system from day one and why would you argue differently about that; 4-2-3-1 is all he has played and the lone strike has never been able to give us an advantage. A sheer waste of space.
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AF
March 2nd 2010 @ 2:33pm
Australian Football said | March 2nd 2010 @ 2:33pm | Report comment
AndyRoo, totally and emphatically agree. Hans Berger when he speaks—speaks with enterprise and very much like Hiddink does ie take the game up to the opposition and not sit back and play a boring containing style of football even against the weakest of all opponents.
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AF
March 2nd 2010 @ 3:59pm
AndyRoo said | March 2nd 2010 @ 3:59pm | Report comment
You mean Real Football
I agree his style is boring but I think he has changed the culture of the team immensely since he took over. The team has really grown up mentally since he took over.
There is now very little talk about bad refs, diving, blaming traveling times, the weather, pitch condition and grass rolling. They just get on with it.
That’s what we needed after the 07 Asian Cup debacle and I think everyone underestimates the tough logistical task involved with qualifying through Asia.
Mission accomplished and he deserves a tip of the hat… and we can all hope that the next coach is just as professional and organized but more willing to let the players go out and win the game.
March 3rd 2010 @ 12:48pm
whiskeymac said | March 3rd 2010 @ 12:48pm | Report comment
agree Andyroo (and rob)
those that illustrate only the negative aspects of his tenure are blinkered in their assessments – i dont disagree with those views that he has played boring football and is results driven (who isnt) but he has also made some positive changes to how we engage Asia and provided some realism into the hype which initially surrounded the players and gamefollowing the 06 Guus hunt, and he has blooded some new players (altho you’d think that any coach would have done that).
March 2nd 2010 @ 6:09pm
Australian Football said | March 2nd 2010 @ 6:09pm | Report comment
Correction “RealFootball” sorry for the mistake..
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AF
March 2nd 2010 @ 3:34pm
Rob said | March 2nd 2010 @ 3:34pm | Report comment
I disagree about him doing nothing positive for our domestic game.
How many young kids has he introduced to the national squad in the last 12 months? How many have had their first real taste not just of the national team, but of genuine intensity at training, to a European standard? Yes, he’s criticised the A-League, but he has also offered the truly talented A-League players an opportunity to see what he’s talking about in terms of intensity and quality training, and exposed them to a different level across all areas, from tactics to what is expected in terms of technique and work rate.
In that alone he has done way more than Hiddink did. Of course, you could say that that is because Hiddink only had 5 months or something with the squad, so he didn’t have time, because his job was to take us to the World Cup. True, but Verbeek was under no obligation to bring kids like Tommy Oar, Scott Jamieson, or even Cornthwaite into the squad, either.
I think Verbeek’s contribution to Australian football, both international and domestic, has been immense.
March 2nd 2010 @ 4:09pm
Realfootball said | March 2nd 2010 @ 4:09pm | Report comment
Absolutely, Rob. The team have played exhilarating football, exciting Australian followers of all codes with Verbeek’s vision of total football. Through thick and thin Verbeek has promoted the A-League, time and time again expressing his confidence is the local players with epithets like “completely wonderful” at press conferences after yet another tactically exhilarating game.
Verbeek has shown Australians how the game should be played -with flair and imagination. Without hesitation he has used 2 strikers, even against lowly opposition, in games where the result didn’t matter. He used our best ball players, in the face of cries that he must stop and use more defensive midfielders.
Yep, his contribution has been immense.
March 2nd 2010 @ 6:31pm
Australian Football said | March 2nd 2010 @ 6:31pm | Report comment
March 3rd 2010 @ 8:58am
Rob said | March 3rd 2010 @ 8:58am | Report comment
Very droll, and completely missing my point.
What other Australian national team coach has, in the last 5 years, blooded so many young, inexperienced players? I was not talking about the style of football, which, quite frankly, is irrelevant to me. I would take a series of dour 1-0 victories over a stylish, exciting game we lose 5-4, every day of the week. What matters at international level is results.
Of course he’s criticised the A-League, but at the same time he is giving his honest appraisal. It’s not his job to promote the A-League. it’s his job to prepare the national team for, and qualify them for, major international competitions, a job he has performed, so far (and barring disaster tonight) with great skill. But as far as bringing youngsters into the side – from the A-League no less – , his contribution has been second to none.
March 2nd 2010 @ 6:14pm
Australian Football said | March 2nd 2010 @ 6:14pm | Report comment
RealFootball—sorry for the mistake in identity
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AF
March 2nd 2010 @ 4:15pm
Midfielder said | March 2nd 2010 @ 4:15pm | Report comment
I think because Pim did not play the style some wanted him to play his has been unfairly hounded and he will be missed… he has given the side and the national set up a hard edge… do lots of research pick a team and a style to win a game..
As for comments about honnest Eddie .. he had most of the squad in Australia not overseas..
March 2nd 2010 @ 4:44pm
Realfootball said | March 2nd 2010 @ 4:44pm | Report comment
You may miss him, Midf. I for one will most certainly not. He was the wrong coach chosen for the wrong reasons and we qualified the wrong way with football as exciting watching grey paint dry.
He turned thousands of neutrals away from the game.
His legacy is dull, dispiriting football played to grind out results. In this country, with NRL, AFL and RU offering physically exhilarating competition that is not enough.
March 2nd 2010 @ 4:58pm
The Bear said | March 2nd 2010 @ 4:58pm | Report comment
Spoken like a mariner, Midfielder.
March 2nd 2010 @ 5:05pm
Midfielder said | March 2nd 2010 @ 5:05pm | Report comment
GGGGGGGGEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Never said he was the world’s best …….BUUUUTTTTTTT the way you guys go on he was the worst coach in the world and the worst possible choice… as for neutrals being turned offffff…….. BS most would not know what they were looking at and take their lead from the football mainstream press for what it is…
The most important thing for Pim to do was make the WC … it was soooooooooo important that we make it, and he did … with what a broken down Harry and Timmy maybe Lucas and Swasie in top teams …
March 2nd 2010 @ 5:24pm
Realfootball said | March 2nd 2010 @ 5:24pm | Report comment
“BS most would not know what they were looking at and take their lead from the football mainstream press for what it is…”
That, Midfielder, is a statement of breathtaking naivety.
March 2nd 2010 @ 5:06pm
Midfielder said | March 2nd 2010 @ 5:06pm | Report comment
On another matter who should where the arm band .. for me it’s Luke…
March 2nd 2010 @ 6:41pm
Australian Football said | March 2nd 2010 @ 6:41pm | Report comment
The only decision he has shown as being inspirational—-a HAL captain—-good on him for that.. Honest Eddie and Mad Dog Frank had only home based part-timers to work with but, have shown more courage to take on the might of Argentina and Brazil at their own game with mix results. Who will ever forget Australia’s performances in the Gold Cup in Australia with the part-timers?
March 2nd 2010 @ 5:27pm
Joe FC said | March 2nd 2010 @ 5:27pm | Report comment
No doubt if we miss out on hosting the WC that will be Pim’s fault as well. I’m not sure that the perceptions of some Australian football fans are remotely in accordance with reality. I’m now wondering if some will be quite happy to see us perform poorly in Sth Africa just so they can say “we told you so”. I’ll take note of what his peers say about his ability. On the basis of results Pim has been a success, any other criteria is at best questionable and probably irrelevant.
March 2nd 2010 @ 8:11pm
Realfootball said | March 2nd 2010 @ 8:11pm | Report comment
This “only results matter” mantra is the greatest falsehood ever perpetrated on Australian football followers. THAT is the questionable criteria.
You no doubt consider consider yourself pragmatic, Joe. My view is that you are out of touch with the realities of the Australian sporting marketplace – and, yes, it is a marketplace, where many forms of entertainment compete for the same discretionary dollar.
To suggest that any criteria other than results is “probably irrelevant” reveals the kind myopic ignorance that has done so much to prevent football from gaining a credible populist foothold in this country.
Precisely what do his peers say about his ability? Who exactly are his peers and what have they said? Are they credible? Are you aware, for instance, Joe FC, that Verbeek was sacked from the Korean job after a revolt by senior players unhappy with his defensive tactics? Are you aware of the mediocrity of his club record in Japan?
March 3rd 2010 @ 9:10am
Rob said | March 3rd 2010 @ 9:10am | Report comment
I think it’s funny that this is only the first time we’ve gone to two consecutive world cups and we are already banging on about this style thing as if we should be outplaying Brazil in the style stakes. Did you ever consider that our players aren’t as good as all that? We talk about being with the big boys, but, as our A-League boys have found out on several occasions, the Asian teams are more than a match for us. Even with our Euro-roos in, we have struggled against highly technical teams like Bahrain and Kuwait, not to mention Japan and Korea. That is because as a nation we have not got a massive tradition in producing highly technical players.
Therefore, we have to make use of what we’ve got to the best advantage, and if that means playing a defensive, pragmatic system, then so be it.
Real Football, you accuse everyone else of ignorance, but are you ignorant enough to believe that if we were playing with style but did not make the world cup, we would be gaining more fans?
The most important thing for Australian football is to be at the World Cup every four years. When we have the cattle to play truly stylish football, and win, rather than cough up soft goals like Frank Farina’s side at the 2005 Confederation Cup, THEN we can start having this conversation.
At this stage, of course it is the result that matters. All else is peripheral to that. You would be naive to think otherwise. We are not, and we are a long way from becoming, a nation that can have a sense of entitlement to qualification to the World Cup.
March 3rd 2010 @ 4:10pm
Realfootball said | March 3rd 2010 @ 4:10pm | Report comment
Rob, did I “accuse everyone” of ignorance?
Give me break. Read what I wrote, not what you think I wrote.
So, Bahrain and Kuwait are “highly technical teams”? Nice one.
The point is that Australia would have qualified just as convincingly in points terms with a more positive coach. And you can preach that results are everything till the cows come home. I can only assume that you have never had anything to do with marketing.
March 4th 2010 @ 9:30am
Rob said | March 4th 2010 @ 9:30am | Report comment
No, Real Football, you simply implied that anyone who believes the result is more important than the style of play is ignorant.
And Bahrain and Kuwait ARE highly technical teams, especially when compared to Australia.
And you are right about me never having anything to do with marketing. Basically, this is football, and results are what matters. If we don’t qualify for world cups, we won’t have anything to market, and that’s what the real point is here.
Do you think the Italians care about stylish football to gain results? Hmm… That’s right, they couldn’t care two hoots. As long as they don’t let the opposition score, they will grind on until they score. And that’s a team of amazing technical ability.
We don’t have the quality of players they do, so it’s fairly reasonable to expect us to play like them until such time as we develop the players that can play a more attacking system. Heck even Brazil under Dunga isn’t the 1970s Brazil that tore through teams with attacking genius, but a measured, defensively oriented team that counter attacks brilliantly. He gets criticised in Brazil because the team don’t play with the flair of the Pele Era, but that’s because the HAVE a Pele era to remember. We don’t, and if we don’t keep qualifying for the world cup, we never will have one, so to say that our national team needs to play with penache right now, when we are only in our third world cup, is like trying to force an infant to run before it can even crawl.
That’s why we’ve had the football curriculum overhaul, that’s why we’ve brought in all these dutch coaches, so that we can build the technical players that can play, with equal skill, an attacking or defensive style. Let’s have this style debate in 5-10 years time, when it will be relevant. For the time being, let’s just keep qualifying for world cups!
March 4th 2010 @ 11:17am
AndyRoo said | March 4th 2010 @ 11:17am | Report comment
Interesting discussion.
I would contribute but it has been brought to my attention that I am not representative of casual fans. On the way home my wife said “that game wasn’t spectacular”… I was surprised. And then that was backed up by comments on radio where people were also saying the game was a dud.
I really enjoyed it, but I can’t think of a single game that Australia has ever won that I didn’t enjoy. I love live football, I love the Socceroos and I was really glad I got too See Tommy Oars International debut.
March 2nd 2010 @ 9:12pm
Tony Tannous said | March 2nd 2010 @ 9:12pm | Report comment
Midfielder, my team would be this;
———————-Galekovic——————-
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Marrone——-Milligan—–Colosimo——Thompson
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——————-Wilkshire—–Burns————–
—————————-Culina——————–
——Leckie——————————Oar—–
————————–Kennedy——————
Based on what’s coming out of Brissy, it won’t be the starting line up. Here are a few points;
Fox are reporting tonight that Cole will get the right back spot (I have my doubts about his pace and defensive work, but suggest Pim may go for him because of his crossing – with the obvious target being Kennedy – decent enough logic). Marrone is a better defender and can come forward.
Sterjovski has been in all the mooted teams but Leckie’s form is better and he would work better feeding off Kennedy. Mile gets in for expereince, and you can hardly fault that call given the options.
Fox are also reporting that Jamieson gets the left back gig, and again that would be for his ability to deliver to Kennedy and his natural left foot.
The same goes with Oar. I have my doubts about his ability to beat a man 1v1, but he can certainly cross a ball and, with Oz expected to be making the play, he will get crossing opportunities. If we were playing a team that pressed forward more, I would rather Leckie on the left hand side on the counter.
It’s obvious what the game plan is, aerial assault for Kennedy, but I wonder if there would have been some logic in getting guys like Leckie and Thompson to drive in and around Kennedy, for Maman and Abdurahman will double team him if he is isolated. Maybe that’s Plan B if Pim can’t penetrate from the flanks.
March 3rd 2010 @ 9:33am
Midfielder said | March 3rd 2010 @ 9:33am | Report comment
Thanks Tony Had a similar side myself but have Danny in goals..
March 2nd 2010 @ 9:40pm
Mick said | March 2nd 2010 @ 9:40pm | Report comment
I think I have seen a few ads for this game on fox sports, promoting this game as a Brisbane World Cup send off.
FFA, it is an Asia Cup qualifier so do not go around bluffing people & confusing people, if you want to educate people you have to call the game for what it is & no hyping it up or down.
A crucial Asia Cup qualifier it is
March 2nd 2010 @ 10:00pm
Tony Tannous said | March 2nd 2010 @ 10:00pm | Report comment
–A crucial Asia Cup qualifier it is….
Spot on Mick.
To some extent the lack of interest in Brissy is a direct result of what whiskeymac described as “taking the pi$$” and there has been far too much of that from football administrators at both club and governing body..
Who can blame the punters who have been stung by hefty ticket prices, the blatant grab for $$, from having a generally apathetic attitude towards continually forking out…
I wrote about this in the pre-season on the Roar;
http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/07/09/golden-chance-missed-in-the-rush-for-gold/
FFA are at least trying to address this with more reasonable prices for this match, but it’s going to take much more work to re-engage the masses and keep the engaged.
Football administrators must never take their constituents for granted.