The Western Bulldogs in Wellington is a great idea
By Michael DiFabrizio, 12 Mar 2010 Michael DiFabrizio is a Roar Expert
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Jarrod Harbrow of the Western Bulldogs look dejected as they leave the field after the AFL 2nd Qualifying Final between the Hawthorn Hawks and the Western Bulldogs at the MCG. GSP Images
Yesterday’s news that the Western Bulldogs will be seeking two home games at Basin Reserve in the New Zealand city of Wellington, possibly as early as next year, is a positive for the game.
I touched on the topic of teams expanding beyond their existing support bases earlier in the week, and this is a great way for the Dogs to go about doing just that.
Whilst the club has already sold home games to Sydney, Darwin and Canberra (and are continuing to do so in the latter two markets this year) the fact they are willing to forgo their existing agreements to solely go after Wellington is testament to how serious they are this time around.
It doesn’t seem like some quick cash-grab, especially considering in Darwin they are now effectively supporting Port Adelaide’s push into the region and in Canberra they are supporting Sydney. With these current games, there doesn’t seem to be much in it for them other than money.
On the Wellington plan, Dogs chief Campbell Rose said, “The fundamental idea is to establish a major event of sustainable proportions that creates a sense of occasion.” In that sense, it’s a bit like the NFL’s hosting of games in cities like Toronto, London and Mexico City, on a slightly smaller scale, no doubt.
Of course, as Hawthorn have showed in Tasmania, the key to making any foray beyond traditional club markets is to look beyond the dollars.
You’ll remember that originally both Hawthorn and St Kilda played games in Tassie, but it was the ongoing commitment from the Hawks, even after their much talked-about resurrection on and off the field, that got them the extended supporter base they now have.
So long as the Bulldogs can wrap their head around that concept, the opportunities for them are huge.
New Zealand has a population well over 4 million. The Wellington region’s population is on par with Tasmania’s and the Wellington city’s population is a fair bit higher than that of Launceston.
Kiwi teams have a presence in most other Australian leagues – the Wellington Phoenix are currently storming through the A-League finals, the Warriors are a big part of the NRL, the Breakers get decent support by NBL standards, plus of course there’s the Super 14 and netball’s ANZ Championship, which have teams across both countries.
Furthermore, as Rose pointed out yesterday, New Zealand is closer to and cheaper to get to than Darwin.
So who’s to say there isn’t room there for Aussie rules, even if it is in a minor capacity?
Taking the club out of it, any push into New Zealand should be welcomed. The fact it’s a sports-mad country not all that far away makes it intriguing more hasn’t been done already.
During the off-season, it was Hawthorn leading the charge across the ditch, putting together a grassroots program with AFL NZ, signalling their intentions to use the country as a future recruiting ground. Even the national teams from the U/16 level up will now be known as the NZ Hawks.
Both clubs should be applauded for their initiative. It’s about time the sport got more serious about New Zealand.
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Wayne Carey said | March 12th 2010 @ 9:13am | Report comment
You are dreaming!
Ben Cousins said | March 12th 2010 @ 10:59am | Report comment
I might be able to get a good deal there,,,,to play!
James said | March 12th 2010 @ 9:33am | Report comment
If Wellington get booted out of the A-League then they can enter the AFL. The AFL’s yellow and black isn’t doing a good enough job and deserves to be replaced.
Ora said | March 12th 2010 @ 9:42am | Report comment
AFL still a strange and unheard of sport to most New Zealanders and I doubt it would attract that many peole,
In saying that I would definitely attend a game if there ever was one played in Auckland. After living in Vic I grew to appreciate the game. can’t say I fell in love with it but it’s certainly alot more entertaining than cricket
Redb said | March 12th 2010 @ 9:40am | Report comment
Good article.
It’s definitely worth taking games for premiership points to NZ than the odd NAB Cup game. The Hawks program is to be applauded, still very early days.
Country Victoria said | March 12th 2010 @ 11:50am | Report comment
You should read Spiro Zavos comment (scroll down), now that is a better and more sensible read.
What about me again, still, not again ‘TASMANIA’
Grahem said | March 12th 2010 @ 9:57am | Report comment
Great idea – Although there is a very limited following for the game in NZ, however it will still draw a few numbers out of interest.. even if it’s just to abuse the non contact sport of areial ping pong.
Redb said | March 12th 2010 @ 10:59am | Report comment
Non contact sport? are you just trolling?
maybe taking a few games might show just how much contact there is in a game of AFL footy.
No-one expects a blockbuster crowd from the locals, there is a small AFL NZ league, some secondary school programs and the fans of an AFL club playing. Which is why its better to be a full premiership points game rather than the NAB Cup, more will travel for such a game.
The only issue is that once you do start to draw a local crowd you treat them well and dont take off to another location like North Melb did.
Should probably be Hawthorn rather than the Bullies.
allblackfan said | March 12th 2010 @ 11:58am | Report comment
What contact? If there was contact in AFL I wouldn’t fall asleep everytime I watch it!!
I’ve said it before — if Wellington/NZ government officials use NZ taxpayer money to pay for the so-called “honour” of hosting AFL games, these officials should be immediately prosecuted for fraudulent use of public money!!
The AFL should pay the Kiwis!!
The Bulldogs’ case is based on personal friendship between the CEO and the NZ PM. hardly a business arrangement!
Oh, and good luck trying to kick the Sherrin in Wellington on a bad day!!
Redb said | March 12th 2010 @ 1:17pm | Report comment
no need to get bitter about it
Country Victoria said | March 12th 2010 @ 1:40pm | Report comment
Redb:-
I agree with allblackfan
League and Rugby is more of a contact sport then Aussie Rules by far and a better sport too – And you think your are telling NZ somthing new or better!
Here in Victoria wanting to watch Australian sports on (free to air) TV the only choice is Aussie Rules, damn it.
Redb said | March 12th 2010 @ 2:50pm | Report comment
Yet here are you again commenting on AFL articles, I think we all know its your secret passion. Thanks for your interest.
Michael DiFabrizio said | March 12th 2010 @ 12:51pm | Report comment
In relation to the comment that it should probably be Hawthorn rather than the Bullies, I tend to agree. But both clubs are looking at NZ in different ways – the Hawks are looking at it from the perspective of finding future playing talent, and the Bulldogs are looking at it more from a commercial perspective, ie. selling games. For the time being, Hawthorn already have an avenue to do that in Tasmania.
When you look at the depth of what Hawthorn are doing however (Hawks Cup, kids clinics, kids TV show, NZ Hawks) you’d have to say that the Bulldogs would have to put a lot more effort into it than just playing a couple of games over there to fully make it work in the long-term. It would be ironic if they left Darwin (where Port are now leading the AFL’s push) and Canberra (where Sydney will always have more fans) in order to go to Wellington, only be scheduled against Hawthorn and again have most of the support with the away team.
At the end of the day, it will all come down to just how committed they are to making it work. After going through Sydney, Darwin and Canberra, you’d think they’d have a few lessons to draw from.
Michael DiFabrizio said | March 12th 2010 @ 12:57pm | Report comment
Here’s a link to the Hawks program: http://www.hawthornfc.com.au/hanz-up!/tabid/15148/default.aspx
Also forgot to mention the Trent Croad scholarship. They’re really putting a lot of effort in.
Al said | March 12th 2010 @ 1:45pm | Report comment
It i possible to send Hawthorn to NZ and to make sure they never come back?
Redb said | March 12th 2010 @ 1:56pm | Report comment
the Hawks as much I hate to admit are doing some pretty good things with development.
kronic said | March 12th 2010 @ 10:08am | Report comment
Why is it being played out of Basin Reserve as opposed to Westpac Stadium aka the Cake Tin.
Great idea, as the A-League shows, the NZ market will most likely be a ‘build it and they will come’ scenario. The only hurdle is the game’s name: “Aussie Rules”.
Hammer said | March 12th 2010 @ 10:12am | Report comment
I think the FFA are well aware that, through no real planning or forethought, they’ve accidentally struck on a great untapped market and as they’ve basically got the place to themselves I can see them holding onto it with all their might …. AFL will provide novelty value at best .. but I can certainly see the NRL looking closely at dusting off the Orcas
Al said | March 12th 2010 @ 10:21am | Report comment
No offense but the Kiwis don’t and will never give a flying toss about aussie rules.
kronic said | March 12th 2010 @ 10:44am | Report comment
If the International Cup is anything to go by, they obviously do. Whether this will turn into crowd numbers is another thing.
Redb said | March 12th 2010 @ 11:02am | Report comment
http://www.nzafl.co.nz/
Spiro Zavos said | March 12th 2010 @ 11:31am | Report comment
In the early 1900s Australian Rules Football, nicknamed ‘the Victorian Science,’ was quite popular in New Zealand, especially in Christchurch. And why Christchurch? Because there were many Australians in the South Island following the gold rushes in Otago, and later the 1890s depression in Australia. Christchurch is flat with plenty of room for the huge fields that Australian Rules requires.
Christchurch is now a citadel of rugby. The other parts of New Zealand, especially Wellington have very little flat land for Australian Rules to make a bid to run meaningful competitions and so on.
It is fanciful in the extreme to expect Australian Rules to catch on in New Zealand. The chance was there 100 years ago and was not taken.
I can’t see why more effort is invested in Tasmania, which is an AFL citadel in winter and a state that deserves a premiership team. Why the AFL bosses are trying to expand into New Zealand before entrenching the game in Tasmania reflects poorly on their treatment of the true believers, I reckon.
BigAl said | March 12th 2010 @ 11:45am | Report comment
Spiro . . . the game IS entrenched in Tasmania – has been for 130 years !
MyGeneration said | March 12th 2010 @ 11:58am | Report comment
Australian Rules is entrenched, not the Australian Football League, I think is Spiro’s point.
BigAl said | March 12th 2010 @ 12:16pm | Report comment
Yes, I was merely making a point re. Spiro’s persistent nit picking against any thing aussie rules !
Being a one and level headed Tasmanian, I can vouch for the 130 years and the difficulties that the demograpics/economics of Tassie present when considering setting up a professional Sporting team, let alone an AFL team.
Unfortunately for Tassie, I think the AFL are reading it correctly.
Timmuh said | July 4th 2010 @ 1:11pm | Report comment
Actually no. Even without a team the AFL is entrenched in Tasmania more than any other state. To the point where the AFL’s monopoly over football (and sport) has destroyed the game within Tasmania. Even more than Victoria, it is AFL and nothing else.
As for a full time team in Tasmania, that is fanciful. If it only cost as much to run an AFL club as it does an A-League side it could be done, but Tasmania does not have the secondary sponsors, etc, to ever fund a club. And nobody would swap clubs, everybody already has allegiances as strong as those held by Victorians. (Hawthron, except among the young, haven’t generated new supporters, they have turned more of their already large supporter base in Launceston into members, and got memberships of those who follow other clubs but can’t get to other games.
Tasmania is more of an AFL stronghold than anywhere else in the nation, but will never be able to support a full time team. Even if all half million lived in population centre it would be highly doubtful, as things are there is no doubt – it is simply impossible.
Australian Football said | March 12th 2010 @ 12:00pm | Report comment
I’ll tell you why Spiro, it’s called Wellington Phoenix FC envy..
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AF
Al said | March 12th 2010 @ 12:11pm | Report comment
Hoping that the ‘nix stuff FC this weekend!
Al said | March 12th 2010 @ 12:22pm | Report comment
Spot on, the AFL have turned their backs on the traditional supporters in order to push their product onto people that don’t care. It will be the traditional supporters and clubs that will pay for Demitriou’s gigantic ego.
BigAl said | March 12th 2010 @ 12:58pm | Report comment
. . . and another thing Spiro, as is clearly stated in the article, this exercise is something Footscray Football Club is thinking of doing – i.e. taking an ‘event’ to Wellington, – nothing to do with ‘…the AFL bosses’ !
Nor does it in any way resemble the AFL’s plans in GWS & Gold Coast, or detract from current AFL plans in promoting the game in Tasmania .
Redb said | March 12th 2010 @ 1:48pm | Report comment
Spiro,
So I guess you were suitably outraged when the ARU awarded the Super rugby licence to Melbourne instead of the Western Sydney true believers?
Rugby has been in Melbourne for 100 years, hasn’t quite caught on. Might carve itself a niche and that is all the AFL would be trying to do in NZ in the medium to long term.
The AFL is not the only central body to look at expansion and forsake certain tradtional areas or teams.
Examples:
The NRL and North Sydney over propping up the Melbourne Storm since 1998.
The ARU and Western Sydney.
The FFA by starting ‘franchises’ as opposed to giving the traditional clubs of the old NSL a chance to forge a new OZ league.
I bet each central body has had reasons behind what they did….Hmmm?
I reckon.
Al said | March 12th 2010 @ 1:53pm | Report comment
There was a whole host of complex issues that required the FFA to start with a keen slate, issues exclusive to association football in this country.
Redb said | March 12th 2010 @ 2:44pm | Report comment
yes when its your code it is of course perfectly reasonable to ignore tradtional over franchise.
Rod said | March 12th 2010 @ 2:27pm | Report comment
Melbournes already got a Rugby team RedB.
They’re called the Melbourne Storm
kronic said | March 12th 2010 @ 3:23pm | Report comment
You mean League team, the real Rugby team is playing next year.
Rod said | March 12th 2010 @ 4:50pm | Report comment
No, I mean a Rugby team
Rod said | March 12th 2010 @ 12:09pm | Report comment
They actually played the game in the empire games in south africa around the turn of the 19th century, I think it was under the heading of Australasian Rules/footy or something.
I seen an old paper with it on it at the Canberra History museum when 100 years of RL was on show.
Died out there by the looks of it too.
Dogz R Barkn said | March 12th 2010 @ 12:36pm | Report comment
It seems highly unlikely that this concept could take off.
However, here is one interesting piece of information: the largest attendance recorded for an aussie rules game in NZ was a pre-season game played in Wellington in 2000 between Western Bulldogs and Hawthorn which attracted 11,666 spectators.
Country Victoria said | March 12th 2010 @ 2:30pm | Report comment
Dogz R Barkn
And in 2001 in Wellington Brisbane Lions Vs Adelaide 7,500
averge crowd 8,871 for the four AFL game in NZ
1991 – 1998 – 2000 – 2001