Who’s to blame for falling Super 14 crowds?
By Andrew Logan, 12 Mar 2010 Andrew Logan is a Roar Expert
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The Waratahs Berrick Barnes kicks the ball against the Sharks during their Super 14 rugby match in Sydney on Saturday, March 7, 2010. The Waratahs defeated the Sharks 25-21. AAP Image/Paul Miller.
Carlos Spencer said it, and I believe it. Super 14 crowds are nothing compared to what they used to be.
Once upon a time, the Super 14 was one of the hottest tickets in town, particularly in Sydney which is its biggest Australian market. But crowds in the Super 14 are falling away, to the point where the Waratahs are expecting a paltry turnout of about 10,000 for their match against the Lions tomorrow night.
I’m sorry. 10,000? On a Friday night after work? Jeez, it’s not like you have to go to church the next day.
How unbelievable is it that in the biggest rugby market in the country, we can’t even half fill the Sydney Football Stadium for a South African touring side playing our boys from the Waratahs. It’s not like we’ve got another team to compete against, unlike the NRL who muster similar figures (give or take a few thousand) for each of four or five Sydney matches each weekend. The Waratahs only have seven home games a year, for Christ’s sake.
It’s a totally unacceptable result, and heads must roll. For too long the culprits have been allowed to hob-nob in their ivory towers – criticising players, coaches and referees and calling for law changes. They’ve embraced players one minute while their form was good, and then plunged the knife into their backs the next.
They’ve been the first to divert the attention from anything they might be able to do for the game instead preferring to place the blame at the doorstep of the mythical “Them” and “They”. Blessed with the cloak of invisibility when it comes to having to defend their views, they revel in the luxury of saying whatever they like, about whomever they like, whenever they like, knowing that they’ll rarely be called to task, and hardly ever sanctioned officially.
The unfortunate thing about this shadowy cartel is that many of them enjoyed the game in their youth. They were happy to take from rugby when it could provide them with something, but now that the time has come for them to fight for its future, they choose to do nothing.
By now you’ve worked out who I’m talking about, and it’s not the ARU, or any of the state unions, or the IRB, or the referees.
It’s the fans. Yeah, that’s right. You guys.
I can now hear the clatter of pitchforks and the whuff of torches being lit as the peasants prepare to storm The Roar castle and lynch the heretic, but I’m ready to go. If the door breaks down and I’m dragged away in the next few sentences by a rabid mob, I’ll die happy, knowing that at least I wasn’t one of you faceless couch-sitters. After all, everyone knows that all it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.
“How dare you talk to me like that?” I hear you say, but since we’re talking (albeit while you’re sharpening that castrating knife and Googling my home address), have a think about the last time you heard anyone say anything really positive about rugby?
What about you? I bet what you actually heard or said was a critique of the rules, the play, the players and their pay, all backed up with the catch-all disengagement….”I don’t bother to go anymore”…as if to say “That’ll show ‘em”.
The problem is, you’re not showing anyone anything, except that rugby people have morphed into a sorry group of home-dwelling, flat-screen watching, IQ-button-tickling, remote critics.
What those critics mostly don’t realise is that you have to earn the right to criticise.
You can earn it in several different ways. Great ex-players earn it by spilling blood on the paddock. Writers try to earn it by building a body of insightful work and putting their head on the public chopping block once or twice a week.
Certain fans also earn the right to criticise by being there through the easy going, and the tough times at altitude. They’re the ones who stick by their team through torrential rain, and early-season heatwaves. They’re always there for the curtain raiser, and they stay for that extra drink after the game is over. They go down to the fence to clap the boys off, even when the game hasn’t been that great.
Unfortunately for most of us, we think we earned the right to criticise by paying our Foxtel subscription on time.
In case you missed it, rugby has got a war on its hands. But unlike rugby league, which is fighting for a big chunk of market share, and AFL which is fighting for new markets, we’re fighting for our very existence.
And like most wars, it comes down to money. Walk into any group of rugby people at any pub anywhere in the country and you hear the same tired old refrain “The (insert union here) should be doing more to develop the game” as though the unions are all out to lunch pissing it up, while the rest of us are running coaching clinics in the rain somewhere with two torn tacklebags and a flat ball. Yeah, right.
What the self-righteous do-nothings prefer not to get is that by opting out and waiting for rugby to somehow fix itself, they play a very active part in reducing the money that filters down to the grassroots.
To give you an idea of the numbers, in 2008, the AFL distributed $188 million to its clubs and associated entities. The NRL distributed $53.6 million. The ARU, by contrast, gave out around $8 million – just 4% of the AFL number.
If the sports were schoolkids, AFL would be arriving on the oval in a chopper, while the ARU hopped off the bus with cardboard over the holes in its shoes.
Whatever your opinion of the ARU, you certainly can’t argue that they’re rolling in dough and holding it back from the rest of us.
In the classic movie Other People’s Money, Larry The Liquidator said “We’re dead alright. We’re just not broke. And you know the surest way to go broke? Keep getting an increasing share of a shrinking market. Down the tubes. Slow but sure”.
In rugby terms, the shrinking market he’s talking about is us. The fans. We’ve stopped going to games. We’ve stopped taking part. And according to the ratings figures, many of us have stopped watching on TV too.
Which means that the three richest sources of revenue the game has, all cop a hit. Gate receipts and sponsorship head south when we don’t go to the games, and pay TV receipts too will eventually go south if we don’t watch.
“So what?” I hear you say. “Why should I waste my money on going to the game when the rugby is rubbish? Why should I support the ARU when they do nothing to get my kid interested in the game?”.
My answer? Because by going to the game, you earn the right to have a real voice. By supporting the players, you remember what is really important in rugby – and that’s hanging in through the dark days as well as the salad days when we’re on top.
By being involved you earn the right to call yourself a genuine rugby supporter, and you earn the right to pass this birthright and tradition on to your kids.
You wouldn’t wait for the police to drop around to your place to give you kids a quick lesson on law and order, or hope that the dentist shows up to teach them how to clean their teeth.
So why are you waiting for the ARU, or the NSWRU or someone else to teach your child the joys of rugby? Why are you waiting for someone else to fix rugby before you get up and go to a game?
Rugby needs us more now than ever before, so it’s hard to believe that we’re deserting it in droves. How in the world could a warrior like Phil Waugh, who has spilt more blood than an abbatoir slaughterman and taken more hits than Evel Knievel, all for our enjoyment, be looking down the barrel of a record number of appearances for the Waratahs in front of a quarter full stadium?
We should be utterly ashamed of ourselves. Not for Waugh’s sake, but because we now care so little about taking part in the important moments in rugby.
It’s about time we woke up and got off the couch and went to the game. Those crowd numbers and gate receipts will eventually trickle back down to your little area of grassroots rugby, in the form of distributions to clubs, coaching support and other development activities. And even if they don’t amount to much, who cares. You’ve reconnected and become part of the family again.
Sure the unions are dysfunctional in some ways. But if that’s your opinion, doesn’t that make it even more ridiculous to be leaving the future of the game in their hands? Get involved yourself.
What to do? Well, I can hear the baying of a torch-bearing mob on the wind as they surge up the windy mountain path to my hideout, so I won’t go through the full million or so ways that you could support rugby.
The easiest one would be to walk out of your office tomorrow evening, grab a kid and/or a few mates, and head out to the SFS to cheer on the Waratahs and their record-breaking captain. As rugby people, it’s incumbent upon us to take the future of the game in our hands, earn the right to criticise, and most important of all, pat one of our own on the back.
Keep an eye out for me and I’ll buy you a beer. I’ll be easy to spot – there’ll be a pitchfork between my shoulder-blades.
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March 12th 2010 @ 7:41am
Monty said | March 12th 2010 @ 7:41am | Report comment
Excellent article Andrew, kudos! And following on from Brett, how is Grassroots Rugby Australia progressing? There was talk you were going to sumit an article about it soon??
March 12th 2010 @ 7:49am
Temba said | March 12th 2010 @ 7:49am | Report comment
$20 says the Brisbane stadium is going to be packed at the next home game… and guess why?
I am loving the reds this year, hoping the Rebels will do something similar, if you’re a Tah man then I am sorry for you. I have given up on them and moved on.
Tahs use to be my Aussie team but as I am in Melbourne I will now have a team. I have always loved the way the Aussie teams play rugby… their style but the Tahs look to play more like the bulls from 05 uninspiring boring faulty rugby.
The Reds are bringing sexy back.
March 12th 2010 @ 2:32pm
Rod said | March 12th 2010 @ 2:32pm | Report comment
I’ll take a piece of that $20 Temba, there is no way they’ll get 52,500 in there.
March 13th 2010 @ 2:47pm
Chris said | March 13th 2010 @ 2:47pm | Report comment
I’ll give the Reds a chance of getting 25,000 odd. More likely 21,000 odd. The reality is they got 22,000 to the Tahs match, and although they have been playing some average rugby (note that for the Reds “average rugby” is a marked improvement) I can’t see them getting much more than that. If they are in finals contention near seasons end they will hopefully give 30,000 a nudge (can’t see it happening though).
Anyone who thinks they are going to get anywhere near Suncorp’s capacity of 52,000 anytime soon (unless by some miracle they win their next 10 games and secure a home final) is too optimistic for their own good.
March 12th 2010 @ 8:11am
sheek said | March 12th 2010 @ 8:11am | Report comment
I’m bacckkkk….. With an historical context!
Historically speaking, since rugby union was an amateur game for over 100 years, satisfying the fans was never a seriously considered option. Coaches & players would often trot out the mantra that “a 3-0 win was always preferable to a 30-33 loss”.
Also being an amateur game, producing great players to showcase the game wasn’t approached as a necessity. But rugby was lucky plenty of good players passed through their game nevertheless, being able to showcase the game’s good points often enough.
This kind of attitude hasn’t been shaken off in a hurry in just 15 years of professionalism. Those archaic ideas in some cases, remain deeply entrenched.
In Australia, when rugby league started in 1907-08, they knew they needed the fans, being a professional sport. They needed fans through the gate in order to be able to pay the players. But to attract the fans, the new rugby league first needed the players.
Signing one great player for 1908 – Dally Messenger – wasn’t enough. By the end of 1909, RL was on its knees. It was only when they signed 14 of 31 returning Wallabies from the tour of England & Wales 1908/09 that the fortunes of the two codes were immediately & thus far, reversed.
Rugby league has always been more acutely aware than rugby union of the need to produce a deep player participation base, which in turn produces more great players to showcase the game, which in turn brings the fans to watch the game live.
Like rugby union, rugby league has always had its dedicated volunteers – dads, uncles, even mothers & aunts, teachers – all chipping in with coaching, mentoring, etc, etc. A pertinent question here is – what has happened to all those wonderful volunteers in rugby union?
Andrew’s question asks: “Who’s to blame for falling S14 crowds?”
In the short-term the answer is the players, coaches & administrators. In the long-term it will be the fans who love the game who will have to keep it afloat. So we’re all partly to blame, that’s true.
The next question is how to resolve the malaise? Expecting fans to re-engage without guarantee of satisfaction, is easier said than done. For starters, the player & coaches have to show us they care as much about the game as the fans, & not just their pay packets.
Running parallel with this, the ARU needs to show us they care about the fans as much as if not more so, than they care about the broadcasters & sponsors.
There’s a cycle of life thing happening here. If people in control of the game heed the warnings, then the game will flourish again.
And like Temba says, look at the Reds. All of a sudden their adventurous style is attracting fans all over the place, & not just in Australia. It could be this easy………. !!!
Sorry for the rant….. again….. !
March 12th 2010 @ 11:17am
Tragic said | March 12th 2010 @ 11:17am | Report comment
Nice post Sheek. I particularly like your ‘cycle of life’ analogy. We all have a part to play, and we all seem to be pointing the finger.
However something is rotten in the state of rugby, and at the very core is the amateur vs professional thing. The way this is manifesting today is in the constant re-evaluation of the lawbook in order to simplify the game for the end user- the fans. The continued debate about laws is healthy in one way and ruinous in another. The complexity is baffling. Trying to convert someone to union these days is like trying to convince someone to read Ulysses- you realise you are daft before you’ve finished your pitch.
I will say this though. I’m going to the game tonight and I believe that it will be a good one. My faith has been tested many a time, but rugby, she moves in mysterious ways, and i feel a certain energy around this game. There. I have said it…
March 13th 2010 @ 2:52pm
Chris said | March 13th 2010 @ 2:52pm | Report comment
Call me traditional but I would much prefer the Brumbies win 3-0 than lose 33-30 any day of the week. When you actually care about a team a win is always better than a loss. Always.
March 12th 2010 @ 8:15am
scarlet said | March 12th 2010 @ 8:15am | Report comment
The crowds are strong and continue to grow in the UK for club games, HC etc, Internationals are hopelessly oversubscribed. Any ideas why the game here is so well supported and Super 14 is not?
March 12th 2010 @ 9:53am
JF said | March 12th 2010 @ 9:53am | Report comment
The game is well supported in Europe because it involves real clubs and real provinces, these teams engage their fans to provide loyal support throughout a complete winter rugby season. The S14 is made up of contrived franchises which play a early and short season. This results in Kiwis and Saffas being completely apathetic towards S14 – they are not their real provinces, and the games aren’t played in the real rugby season. This justified lack of passion from NZ and SA spills over to Aus – if they don’t really care, why should we? While S14 exists in its current format i.e franchises playing in rugby league grounds in February, crowds will continue to dwindle. It is less about the quality of rugby on offer and more about the unique rugby experience that has been dilluted in recent years by administrators trying to turn our game into something it is not.
March 13th 2010 @ 2:10am
Seiran said | March 13th 2010 @ 2:10am | Report comment
Club grounds are not always that large in comparison to the size of the Uk population. On occasions I go to the harlequins ground to watch the odd premiership game and I think this ground is particularly small.
I wonder what percentage of the UK population go to rugby matches? Very small I reckon.
I think it is only for this reason that rugby support is so strong in the UK. They have a large population support base (although small as a percentage or population).
As for internationals, the same rings true. They have stadiums that cannot hold up to 100,000 but have a population of over 61 million.
March 12th 2010 @ 8:16am
stu said | March 12th 2010 @ 8:16am | Report comment
Andrew – Good controversial article – I think you are wrong. If a product (the tahs) is poor quality/value for money why is it the supporters responsibility? If you bought something that was a lemon is it your fault or the manufacturers?
I used to go to two or so home games a year . The last match i went to in i think 2007 was against the stormers and the quality of basic ball skills and kicking was appalling and at $50 a ticket + taxi’s + stadium inflated beer & food and baby sitter there is no change from $300 so it is not a cheap night out.
I now prefer to go and watch local rugby at Manly or Rat park and surprisingly the ball skills seem to be better.
March 12th 2010 @ 8:17am
JK said | March 12th 2010 @ 8:17am | Report comment
Sheesh…………. talk about a guilt trip, alright I’m there, if we can find a babysitter I’ll bring the boss too.
Also, just my two cents, when I first attended a match from another code I really didn’t understand the game and it was pretty much a blur, but what hooked me was the fan’s, thier enthusiasm, knowledge, passion and just the general banter, and this was two bottom teams. Point is it’s not always the onfield stuff that makes the experience, that’s an area I feel they can work on too, not sure how but it needs to shed it’s image as an upper class game and it does carry that tag, particurlarly in Sydney.
Has the ARU/NSWRU ever asked themselves why so many Pacific Islanders come to Australia, from rugby mad countries yet turn to league? I have an opinion, because they don’t relate to the image it hold’s here. Even you mention it, “The easiest one would be to walk out of your office tomorrow evening”. What about the blokes on the construction site, the warehouse, the bike courier?
P.S attractive rugby would help to keep the diehards too
March 12th 2010 @ 8:25am
DST said | March 12th 2010 @ 8:25am | Report comment
I don’t buy this argument at all. The product is poor and overpriced.
I am as devoted a fan as there is. I played 20 seasons of rugby through school and subbies. I am a life member of the Waratahs and have been for over 20 years (since I was a kid). I have hardly missed a home game in that time. I sit in the same seat I have for around 15 years at the SFS, along with others who have come back to their seats year after year. There is plenty of noise and passion in these seats, or at least there was until a few years ago. More recently, some of the old faces have stopped showing as the most die-hard members are losing faith in the Waratahs.
I hear the same complaint every year. The style of play and the skills of the Waratahs over the past few years is dire. The attitude of the players and coaching staff seems to be all wrong. They play like machines, trying not to lose rather than playing to win. Watch a Waratahs game from 10 years ago and compare it to some recent matches and the difference in passion and skill levels, just basic catch and pass-type skills, is stark.
March 12th 2010 @ 8:30am
Eamonn Flanagan said | March 12th 2010 @ 8:30am | Report comment
Perhaps despite the writers call to arms the actual supporter base for Union is quite small across the country; and the Socceroos have replaced the Wallabies as the national football team of interest due mainly to the fact that for the first time they have many competitive games.
Simple test: In times gone by Wallabies Gregan, Eales, Larkham were more known by Aussies than Socceroos Okon, Zelic and Slater. Now Kewell, Cahill and Neill would outrate any Wallaby and this when the Socceroos still have no free-to-air coverage. In fact I’m not sure which Wallaby to put up against the Socceroo stars these days are you?
Maybe this dwindling support for Union is a knockon effect of the growth of FFA lead football revival plus the increased battle of the in-season AFL and League codes.
Without the All Black fans would Australia ever sell-out a Bledisloe, does any S14 ever sell-out a home game, is the grassroots spreading beyond it’s shrinking private school market. How does one measure this level of support for Rugby Union. I’m not sure it’s really there! Else why do we only have four national teams soon but belatedly to be five?
And I see ticket prices to the Bledisloe have been halved!
Of course with League and AFL fighting increasingly loudly for their turf in Sydney the Waratahs despite a significant amount of coverage and advertising in the Sydney press are going to find it increasingly difficult to gain traction.
In the UK and Ireland where Union crowds at club level are very strong, the local and international competition are entertaining and there is no League to speak of in Ireland or most of England, and although football coverage blankets the media , a bigger population base can always sustain more than one football code.
If Sydney are having problems in their traditional base, what price the Rebels in Melbourne after the initial enthusiam runs out?
Seems to me the A-League and S14 will have to find ways to continue to breakthrough the noise of the other codes and of course Twenty Twenty cricket will flutter for a while in the summer. Hope for Union’s sake the season or fad ends before the S14 starts!
March 12th 2010 @ 10:04am
Mr cheese said | March 12th 2010 @ 10:04am | Report comment
Are Union crowds “very strong” at club level in England ?? A lot of them are around 10,000 or lower. Leicester do pretty well, but Leeds at 4,000 and Sale at 7,000 are not spectacular ( especially when you think that Sale won the Prem only 4 years ago ).
Don’t even begin to suggest that “the local and international competition are entertaining”.
I’ve watched most of this year’s 6 nations and it has been RUBBISH.
March 12th 2010 @ 10:25am
True Tah said | March 12th 2010 @ 10:25am | Report comment
Mr cheese the guinness premiership averages around 13,000 this season.
No doubt helped by the fact Leicester now have a 24,000 seat stadium.
March 12th 2010 @ 10:41am
Colin N said | March 12th 2010 @ 10:41am | Report comment
When you think of what they were then yes. In the Heywood Road days, Sale’s average attendence was 2,000 at best. Now they get 6,500 at worst and we really have had a shocking season this year.
March 12th 2010 @ 10:49pm
pothale said | March 12th 2010 @ 10:49pm | Report comment
“I;’ve watched most of this year’s 6 nations and it has been RUBBISH. – Mr cheese
Some of the 6Nations games have been very good this year and are very entertaining.
And local ones as well.
Re crowd attendances – I’m not aware that it’s a big issue across the game in NH unions. Or rather it doesn’t seem to be one that is publicly dominating the media in the way that it consistently does in SH media.
Scottish clubs have abysmal attendances for their Magners and Heinken games at home. Depends on who they’re playing away.
Welsh clubs have not been fantastic either. The four Irish provincial clubs, by and large, seem to do well, despite having a small population and 3 other sports to contend with, and GAA being the dominant sport nationally.
March 12th 2010 @ 8:41am
kingplaymaker said | March 12th 2010 @ 8:41am | Report comment
Andrew I agree with the sentiment of the article but I have a question. Can you honestly say, deep down, that the problem isn’t that franchises don’t attract the same level of tribal identification as clubs? Perhaps the NRL’s and AFL’s ability to provide fans with clubs is finally winning out.
The regional concept is experimental and there’s nothing yet to suggest fans identify with anything other than national teams and clubs. Perhaps the concept of a ‘region’ just doesn’t have enough pull.
The other major region-based competition, the Magner’s League, has hardly been a success story in terms of crowds either.
Presumably the idea behind Super rugby was to keep the quality of the teams as high as possible, but this may not be a prize worth fighting for if it means no one identifies with the entities created and the stadiums are empty.
Perhaps the franchises which are now regions should all be turned into clubs in name and image? The Sydney Waratahs vs The Brisbane Reds for example?
March 12th 2010 @ 9:05am
sheek said | March 12th 2010 @ 9:05am | Report comment
KPM,
Eventually this will happen IMHO.
The provincial teams as we know them now will migrate across to city/suburban ‘population hub’ teams.
In the future we will have Sydney Waratahs, Brisbane Reds, Canberra Brumbies, Perth Force & Melbourne Rebels. Then it will be easier to add West Sydney Rams, Gold Coast Breakers, Newcastle Wildfires, etc…..
Super rugby despite the fact some people right now still won’t countenance it happening, will eventually become a Heineken Cup style format. This is the next stage of its evolution if it wishes to grow the game in the southern hemisphere.
But first they have to win the fans back & grow the game here in Australia….. !
March 12th 2010 @ 9:11am
Firebrand Sally said | March 12th 2010 @ 9:11am | Report comment
Except that the A-League and the defunct ARC provide examples of how merely inventing a local connection via a team city or suburban name doesn’t create a “club” to rival the AFL or NRL. That takes decades.
March 12th 2010 @ 9:30am
sheek said | March 12th 2010 @ 9:30am | Report comment
FS,
True enough. But the alternative of simply lifting say Randwick, Parramatta, Brisbane Brothers, etc into a national comp is even more unworkable.
The ARC concept of ‘greenfield’ teams can work if done respectfully to the city/region’s history. I thought the West Sydney Rams, (East) Sydney Fleet, Melbourne Rebels & Perth Spirit did this quite effectively.
Bear in mind however, that what KLM & myself was suggesting is simply renaming NSW as Sydney; Qld as Brisbane & so on. So in that context the historical & traditional connection remains.
March 12th 2010 @ 9:14am
Wavell Wakefield said | March 12th 2010 @ 9:14am | Report comment
‘The other major region-based competition, the Magner’s League, has hardly been a success story in terms of crowds either.’
The interesting thing is, kingplaymaker, that the biggest attendances can be found at … Munster and Leinster, so fans tend to identify with success. Obviously that isn’t a strong base for an entire competition given that not every franchise/province can’t be successful. The Borders was an unmitigated disaster, and the most profound illustration of your suggestion. Ultimately regionalisation is a difficult subject to reach conclusions about, and we probably won’t arrive at a satisfactory end point until the next decade. Professional rugby is still so nascent.
March 12th 2010 @ 9:24am
sheek said | March 12th 2010 @ 9:24am | Report comment
WW,
The thing with Australia is that our capital cities are basically the whole state or territory population wise.
Queensland & Tasmania are probably the most decentralised states, but their respective capitals of Brisbane & Hobart still account roughly for 60% of the state’s population. In SA, Adelaide accounts for about 80% of the state’s population.
While in ACT & NT, Canberra & Darwin account for perhaps 95% & 90% of the respective territory’s population.
So NSW becoming Sydney; Melbourne becoming Victoria, etc would merely reflect where the population hubs are centered.
NZ on the other hand, could continue calling their first class teams provinces, since I think in their case, it’s easily interchangeable with city population centres, especially the likes of Auckland & Wellington.
March 12th 2010 @ 9:36am
Ora said | March 12th 2010 @ 9:36am | Report comment
Lets make one thing clear the New Zealand Super 14 teams are not and I repeat this they are NOT Provincial teams they are regional. The franchises are made up of provinical teams( within their franchise region) from the ANZC formerly known as the NPC – National Provincial Competition
Auckland has over a quarter of New Zealands population and a third lives north of the Tron, The South Island barely cracked 1 million at the last census and alot of that was put down to the tourists as it was peak holiday season lol
our provincial rivalries and territories are deeply engrained in the brain here in Aotearoa and to try and change them would lead to unstability like that of Tasman (nelson /Marlborough)
March 12th 2010 @ 9:11pm
sheek said | March 12th 2010 @ 9:11pm | Report comment
Ora,
I can understand your confusion in my comments. I was straddling two different ideas.
Yes, the NZ S14 teams are regional, the ANZC teams are provincial.
I’m thinking ahead to a time when super rugby will be Heineken Cup style format with NZ provinces & Aussie city-centric teams competing for SR places via their respective domestic comps.
Yeah, Aussie will have a domestic comp one day….. maybe in 2121???
March 12th 2010 @ 9:18pm
rugbyfuture said | March 12th 2010 @ 9:18pm | Report comment
2018 hopefully, one year after popularity picks up from the olympics.
March 12th 2010 @ 9:27am
Brett McKay said | March 12th 2010 @ 9:27am | Report comment
KPM, I think just adding the States back to the team names would have a similar effect. Watching NSW v Qld sounds much more inviting than Waratahs v Reds….
Bring back ACT, NSW, Queensland, WA. Encourage/suggest/demand the Rebels drop ‘Melbourne’ in favour of ‘Victoria’ next year. Bring some state pride back into the equation..
March 12th 2010 @ 9:34am
sheek said | March 12th 2010 @ 9:34am | Report comment
Brett,
Deep down I would love to keep the (Aussie) provincial names but in reality, I can’t see them surviving past 10 years.
You know the old saying – “You can’t stop progress, but it can stop you”!!!
March 12th 2010 @ 9:34am
sheek said | March 12th 2010 @ 9:34am | Report comment
Brett,
Deep down I would love to keep the (Aussie) provincial names but in reality, I can’t see them surviving past 10 years.
You know the old saying – “You can’t stop progress, but it can stop you”!!!
March 12th 2010 @ 9:34am
sheek said | March 12th 2010 @ 9:34am | Report comment
Brett,
Deep down I would love to keep the (Aussie) provincial names but in reality, I can’t see them surviving past 10 years.
You know the old saying – “You can’t stop progress, but it can stop you”!!!
March 12th 2010 @ 9:34am
sheek said | March 12th 2010 @ 9:34am | Report comment
Brett,
Deep down I would love to keep the (Aussie) provincial names but in reality, I can’t see them surviving past 10 years.
You know the old saying – “You can’t stop progress, but it can stop you”!!!
March 12th 2010 @ 9:34am
sheek said | March 12th 2010 @ 9:34am | Report comment
Brett,
Deep down I would love to keep the (Aussie) provincial names but in reality, I can’t see them surviving past 10 years.
You know the old saying – “You can’t stop progress, but it can stop you”!!!
March 12th 2010 @ 9:40am
Brett McKay said | March 12th 2010 @ 9:40am | Report comment
Sheek, I heard you the first time!!!
Maybe, with the co-operation of Roarers, we could just start referring to the teams by State as well, and try and bring this “franchise” palava to an end?!?!
March 13th 2010 @ 3:50pm
Chris said | March 13th 2010 @ 3:50pm | Report comment
But Brett – using this whole “NSW Waratahs” “Queensland Reds” indicates we are content to have 1 Professional team per state forever. Is it really sensible that Perth has the same number of professional rugby sides as Sydney when Sydney has a much larger population with much larger rugby pedigree?
I agree with Sheek above that we should have city/local names:
Brisbane Koalas (what is a Red? A communist? An American Indian?)
Sydney Waratahs (or should that be Vaucluse Waratahs?)
Canberra Brumbies
Perth Swans (Force is too ridiculous a name to be allowed to survive)
Melbourne Rebels
As Sheek says above this would allow West Sydney, the Gold Coast and Newcastle to eventually have teams (assuming that rugby grows enough in this country to allow that).
March 12th 2010 @ 8:41am
Pete said | March 12th 2010 @ 8:41am | Report comment
Inspirational stuff Loges.
I’ll take it one step further; don’t just turn up to the game. Take one extra person with you who hasn’t been before or hasn’t been for a while.
I know you’re considering it… here is the link http://www.ticketek.com.au. See you there…