AFL looks to expand season, finals format
By Justin Chadwick, 13 Mar 2010 Justin Chadwick is a Roar Pro
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The AFL are considering whether to implement a nine or 10-team finals format for when the competition expands to 18 teams in 2012, according to chief executive Andrew Demetriou.
And Demetriou said the pre-season competition was here to stay despite former Essendon forward Matthew Lloyd calling for its scrapping.
Demetriou confirmed the AFL are exploring the merits of expanding the home-and-away season to 23 or 24 rounds once Gold Coast (2011) and Greater Western Sydney (2012) join the competition.
And Demetriou hinted the league was leaning towards creating a nine-team finals format, although the merits of 10 teams making the finals was also being discussed.
“We’re actually doing a huge body of work on 17 and 18 teams,” Demetriou said in Perth on Friday.
“As you know there’ll be a bye next year (and) we’re doing work around whether it’ll be a 22 or 23 or 24-round season when we go to 18 teams.
“They’re all options that we’re looking at.
“Our guys are doing a mountain of work with a sub-committee that involves clubs on what the structure of the competition will look like (so) hopefully by mid-year, probably towards August-September, we’ll have a better feel.”
The AFL have used a top-eight finals format since 1994 but Demetriou hinted that was likely to change in 2012.
What do the finals look like? Do we still have a final eight? That’s being done at the moment,” Demetriou said.
“We have a top eight with 16 teams, which is 50 per cent of the competition. When you go to 18 teams someone could run the argument ‘why haven’t we got a top nine?’
“There’s no reason why we can’t have a top nine. Someone sent me a proposal the other day suggesting a top 10.
“We’ll look at all those things and we’d be remiss in our duties if we weren’t looking at and canvassing all the options.”
Lloyd said the pre-season competition was unnecessary and called for a longer home-and-away season instead.
But Demetriou confirmed the pre-season competition would remain.
“I think Matthew’s entitled to his opinion but every club tells us they need preparation to get these elite athletes ready for the season,” he said.
“They just can’t throw them into round one.
“I can assure you that … if we didn’t have a NAB Cup competition, particularly a NAB Regional Challenge, it would be to the detriment of the preparation of the players.
“We get to showcase the game, we allow people around the country to touch their players and connect to their teams that they wouldn’t normally see.
“Not having a NAB Cup or Regional Challenge would provide four or five weeks of no football coverage.
“And as other codes elongate their seasons we actually want football to be talked about.”
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James said | March 13th 2010 @ 6:33am | Report comment
Surely the NAB Cup should get the boot for an expanded comp when expansion happens…..surely.
Country Victoria said | March 13th 2010 @ 10:18am | Report comment
The NAB Cup is not worthy, is it?
Michael C said | March 15th 2010 @ 9:42am | Report comment
The NAB cup is too much maligned – - it DOES provide the following:
A. a premiership cup…..not the main one – - but, a cup nonetheless.
B. a TV format for warm up matches
C. a sponsorship format for warm up matches
D. a means to justify using the top notch stadia for warm up matches
E. ‘D’ helps justify the AFL ‘exclusive’ rights to Etihad from February on.
F. ‘C’ actually provides for a ‘mini’ season sponsor – kinda like an ‘introductory’ sponsorship program, i.e. the NAB Cup vs the Coca Cola Season. Given the AFL doesn’t have a stand alone SoO comp as per the NRL – that for the NRL can operate stand alone as a marketing/promotional tournament – for the AFL, the NAB cup serves an important purpose.
G. the value to clubs of the Semi Final and GF rounds of the NAB cup is that the intensity does rise (especially after half time when a game is there to be won – - and for the new recruits getting a hit out – it is super valuable as for a read on their talent – - for the Doggies thus far, mature age recruit Brodie Moles has stamped himself absolutely ready to go.)
Some of these WOULD be catered for should the AFL season expand out – whilst others would be diminished or scuppered.
So, I reckon the NAB cup is super important.
I have very fond memories of attending 2 North pre-season premierships back in the ’90s, that we also scored 2 regular season flags perhaps makes those memories all the more sweet rather than thinking “What if…….we hadn’t focussed too much on them”.
bever fever said | March 13th 2010 @ 8:41am | Report comment
Expand the season but not the amount of teams in the finals.
Country Victoria said | March 13th 2010 @ 10:15am | Report comment
You can check, but Aussie Rules has the least games on the league board any way.
National Australian Rules from Thu 26 Mach 09 – Sat 28 Aug 09 = six months 22 normal rounds
National Rugby League from 13 March 09 – Sat 4 Sep 09 = sever months 26 normal rounds
National Football A-League from Thu 6 Aug 09 – Fri 12 Feb 09 = six months 27 normal rounds
Not including semi or grand finals.
Sven man said | March 13th 2010 @ 9:52am | Report comment
I think the only thing that would make me hope for a final 9 is if I were a Richmond supporter.
Country Victoria said | March 13th 2010 @ 10:06am | Report comment
Sven man
Just love your comment
James said | March 13th 2010 @ 10:24am | Report comment
Classic. They would then start finishing 10th.
Mister Football said | March 13th 2010 @ 11:11am | Report comment
That’s why a top 10 is needed!!
Mister Football said | March 13th 2010 @ 11:30am | Report comment
I can see a top 10 working along the following lines (just making this up – I have no idea what the AFL is contemplating):
First week of finals:
1st vs 2nd ( 1st qualifying final) – winner goes through to the quarter final as highest ranked team
3rd vs 4th (2nd qualifying final) – winner goes through to the quarter final as the 2nd highest ranked team
5th vs 6th (3rd qualifying final) – winner goes through to the quarter final as the 3rd highest ranked team
7th vs 10th (1st elimination final)
8th vs 9th (2nd elimination final)
Second week of finals (quarter finals – all knock out from hereon in):
Winner of 1st qualifying final plays the winner of the 2nd elimination final
Winner of the 2nd qualifying final plays the winner of the 1st eliminatoin final
Winner of the 3rd qualifying final player the loser of the 2nd qualifying final
The loser of the 1st qualifying final players the loser of the 3rd qualifying final
Third week of finals (semis or prelims):
Winner of game 1 plays winner of game 3
Winner of game 2 plays winner of game 4
Fourth week of finals = the grand final, last two standing.
One huge advantage of this system is that 1vs 2 meet in the first week of finals, and cannot meet again till the grand final, if they make it that far, i.e. 1 and 2 cannot knock each other out of contention as can happen now.
You will also note that no two teams playing each other in the first week of finals can meet up again unless they do so in the grand final.
Al said | March 13th 2010 @ 2:10pm | Report comment
Why not just a top 18? I mean you’re letting more than half of the teams play finals, just let everyone in and be done with it!
Dogz R Barkn said | March 15th 2010 @ 12:46pm | Report comment
A top 18 is not workable.
But a top 16 is workable – all knock out – like the 2nd round of the World Cup finals onwards – all done on the final placings, 1st vs 16, 2nd vs 15, etc.
What’s the purpose of the season? To determine the final rankings, the higher you finish, the higher seeding you have, the more chance you will have to survive longer into the finals.
Adam said | March 13th 2010 @ 11:08pm | Report comment
Crap idea. If there are 18 teams, you dont need a final 9 or final 10…
Keep it a final 8. The final 8 is perfect, it works nice and smooth. Plus in a league of 18 teams, its harder to make the finals if its a top 8, so only the best sides make it.
Pull out said | March 13th 2010 @ 11:32pm | Report comment
Extend the season, not the finals.
Start with 26 round season. It is all pro nowadays, not semi pro with players having to work. There is no excuses.
Six months offseason is a joke. We are all bored. Get on with it.
ac said | March 14th 2010 @ 2:37am | Report comment
Are we not diluting the value of the finals by doing this somewhat? Top 10. So the tenth place team gets in and for some reason hasnt been that good for the 22 rounds but finds form for the extra four or five games in the finals and wins? It doesnt sound right. Mind you the present system isnt either. I guess the first past the post really is the right and correct way of doing things. The finals are really there just to add more $ .
Michael C said | March 15th 2010 @ 9:54am | Report comment
First past the post is flawed ESPECIALLY in the AFL context – with a very imbalanced ‘fixture’.
The money making aspect of finals is true enough – however, finals in Australian Football have been around for over 100 years – - – so, chicken and egg? or they’ve just been ‘money making’ for over 100 years.
For the A-League in Australia…..perhaps it truely is just a money making exercise given finals aren’t a common soccer structure.
Finals also work as a ‘mini-league’ format, a bit like the ACL or EUFA cup – - i.e. the best of the best in a mini tournament. In the AFL context again – - without a fair dinkum international competition, or without SoO (although the AFL could bring THAT back if they wanted) – - the Finals is that extra level of competition missing otherwise.
Horses for courses really.
jeffers said | March 14th 2010 @ 3:25am | Report comment
Why expand the finals? The finals series works well as it is…just because theres more teams theres no need to dilute the final product. Keep it to 8 I say.
Black Diamonds said | March 15th 2010 @ 12:36pm | Report comment
With 9 Teams you can make a good 5 weeks final series.
Personally – I think the AFL Grand Final should be switched to the 2nd Saturday in October (A week before the Caulfield Cup)
5 Weeks of Finals with 9 Teams works like this
WEEK 1 (4 Matches)
1 – Bye
2v5 – First Qualifying Final
3v4 – Second Qualifying Final
6v7 – Third Qualifying Final
8v9 – Elimination Final
WEEK 2 (4 Matches)
SF1 – 1 v Highest Place Loser (2v5 and 3v4)
SF2 – Highest Place Winner (2v5 and 3v4) v 2nd Highest Place Winner (2v5 and 3v4)
(2 Winners of these matchs progress to Home Preliminary Finals)
(2 Losers progress to home Semi-Finals to play the winners of the 2 Elimination Finals)
EF2 – Lowest Place Loser (2v5 and 3v4) v Loser 3rd Qualifying Final
EF3 – Winner 3rd Qualifying Final v Winner Elimination Final
WEEK 3 (2 Matches)
Pre-Preliminary Final 1 – Loser SF1 v Winner EF3
Pre-Preliminary Final 2 – Loser SF2 v Winner EF2
(I call it that because people refer to Prelims, so in future we can all refer to Pre-Prelims) haha
WEEK 4 (2 Matches)
Preliminary Final 1 – Winner SF1 v Winner PPF1
Preliminary Final 2 – Winner SF2 v Winner PPF2
WEEK 5 (1 Match)
Grand Final – Winner PF1 v Winner PF2
Something along those lines can work very well (If not this exact system).
I haven’t weighted this to check it – but it would seem to me that 13 matches over 5 weeks is a money-spinner the AFL should be looking into.
Dogz R Barkn said | March 15th 2010 @ 12:49pm | Report comment
That’s not a bad system – the only thing is that the idea of a “Top 9″ sort of grates a little – doesn’t really have a good ring about it.
I mean, whoever suggests a top 9 for anything?
Redb said | March 15th 2010 @ 12:50pm | Report comment
No problem with that. The A League has a top 6 with only 10 teams!